Micro 649: Normal Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[Heartache]

I have a bunch of thoughts, but first I'd like Heartache to answer an honest question first.

Are you the new Jeanne11 alt?

I promise not to shout at you if the answer is yes, but I would really like to know the answer.

I'm not jeanne11. I have made an alt, but revealing would just force me to make another

[Tere]

OK you can go back in my scumpile then.

Meta please?

[Heartache]

You know, it's not actually my responsibility to change your mind. People seem to fail to recognise the onus is on the reader and not the readee, except in cases like itlepip but they should be blacklisted anyways.
I have put a decent amount of time and effort into this and I'm very likely right at this point. I will not lose sleep if you insist on lynching me regardless for I believe not liking my playstyle.

[Heartache]

Looking over gamma emerald, I'm not actually sure why I was okay with him. I believe I townread him for pushing BYF with me on the assumption BYF was scum, but obviously that doesn't make sense now.
Things like amshed tell are very shallow and his reasoning for that push didn't seem to be based that much on itlepip like it was for me, which I thought was odd.

I don't get how anyone townreads mcmenno. Yesterday I thought he was partner to BYF for how overly simplistic his push was, but the apathy and pretty much lurking throughout that day and wagon definitely makes sense as pushing an easy mislynch.

My only concern is leonshade's experience as well as his townreads on both gamma and mcmenno, but I think I can trust my read here.

[Heartache]

If I think about it, one vote is actually safe to put down in MYLO, although I still would like everyones thoughts first.

[McMenno]

no we should no lynch

[Leonshade]

Agreed on the NL, it's MYLO.

With a probable protective role in play, I don't feel that a massclaim is a good idea. Nor do I trust you.

Well this is awkward then, because I believe my results would strongly imply who the protective is.

I'm only up for a massclaim if we could solve the game that way. With two scum and the game in MYLO, I don't have faith that your information isn't just a scum gambit to ensure a mislynch.

But I'm interested in this information, of course. You've already softed so hard that we have a pretty good idea what's going on; are you willing to hard claim something to give more credibility to your claim?

[Leonshade]

Whether that hard claim is your role, who you targeted etc., whatever you feel you can share without ruining the purpose of the massclaim.

[Tere]

You know, it's not actually my responsibility to change your mind. People seem to fail to recognise the onus is on the reader and not the readee, except in cases like itlepip but they should be blacklisted anyways.
I have put a decent amount of time and effort into this and I'm very likely right at this point. I will not lose sleep if you insist on lynching me regardless for I believe not liking my playstyle.

OK, so have you got over being butthurt about my scumread on you and are you willing to play today? I still want reads and meta from you. If you are town and not willing to work with town, why shouldn't we lynch you? It's a team game after all. If you take your ball and go home I will lose absolutely no sleep about treating you as if a Jeanne11 alt anyway and WOTC you in future.

I might be happy to help you out with Gamma. There's something that stood out to me yesterday.

I suggest you go do a meta dive of McMenno before writing him off as scum. There's some in the thread, although obviously you can go find your own. I think he's likely town from interactions on my entry into thread, but I agree he needs to do some work today.

[Tere]

Thinking about it No lynch might work. I think you should let everyone have a say and then claim whatever you are softing.

[Tere]

Smart, V/LA till the 30th

To elaborate, I'm currently on weekend V/LA but I'll be heading out to my Dad's tomorrow - will be sans internet completely from Tuesday until Friday, then back into usual weekend V/LA. It's what it is. I am not intending to vote until I am back and caught up. So feel free to talk amongst yourselves

[Tere]

If there is a Heartache townflip I may advocate powerlynching Tere.

There's quite a lot I don't like in his ISO on a reread. But this lining up lynches really pings. It's like he knows both Heartache and I are town.

[Sgz13]

I'm pretty confident Heartache is town.

[Sgz13]

It's Gamma or nobody for me today as we stand. Either of them could work.

[Sgz13]

Tere, still townreading Leon?

[Tere]

Tere, still townreading Leon?

I am not sure I am, no. I am noodling on a Gamma / Leon scumteam.

[Sgz13]

I am not sure I am, no. I am noodling on a Gamma / Leon scumteam.

Sounds about right to me.

[Leonshade]

Tere, still townreading Leon?

I am not sure I am, no. I am noodling on a Gamma / Leon scumteam.

What's your read on Heartache now?

[Leonshade]

Wait you already said that on this very page nvm

[Tere]

What do you think about Gamma, Leon?

[Leonshade]

I was reading him as town, largely for his tone. Haven't re-read him since BYF flipped town.

[Tere]

OK, could you go do that and report back please?

[Leonshade]

Sure, got nothing else to analyze at the moment.

[Heartache]

Well?

[Heartache]

Mmm. No-lynch may result in more information and a possible gamesolve. If another save happens especially.

To clarify earlier, it's not that I have completely game-solving hard evidence otherwise I would have just said it. But the thing is until I claim everyone would have to be honest just out of paranoia, which puts scum in a bad position where they'd otherwise want to lie.
Given I still have some doubt looming over myself though, I'm not sure what a good system to compromise on would be...

I notice gamma emerald has posted in other threads yesterday. And then mcmenno who was here, but didn't comment anything aside from suggesting nolynch.