Mini 532: Yaw's Split Open Mafia: (Game over)

[Thanatos]

/confirm

[Thanatos]

odd...why would they care?

[Thanatos]

why would they care about where they confirm?

[Thanatos]

Vote Drunken Piper

Start Writing in Iambic Pentamiter or the vote stays!

[Thanatos]

Random vote:Off the mark

Not that I don't believe it was random, but why him?

[Thanatos]

Vote Drunken Piper

Start Writing in Iambic Pentamiter or the vote stays!

Your pressure has been noted, and not ignored.
However, your random vote has not yet struck a chord.

A question to you, that you should ponder.
How far you willing to hold that vote, I wonder?

As for me random vote, I think it tis quite dandy.

Vote: Jex

, because dark side does not offer candy.

I'll hold it up pretty far, I think. I just throw around alot more FOSes.

[Thanatos]

...usually, there is some stupid reason for a random vote. Like joke or dice or something. I was just curious why that name stuck out to you.

[Thanatos]

...Well? We're waiting.

[Thanatos]

And my contributions to this game stop here... just kidding... I am impressed with Drunken Piper's iambic pentameter however... I hope Thanatos keeps his vote on him the whole game... It would amuse me...

It's not Iambic until every line is 10 Syllables. Until he starts posting in that, I'll keep my vote on him unless it becomes a detrement to the town in someway, or one of us dies.

[Thanatos]

btw, Thanatos, I'm keeping my vote on you until you post in triolets.

Tell me what they are and you got it.

Holy: I said I would move it if it became a problem for the town. <.<

[Thanatos]

Then we also have our Cop, Doc, and power roles outed on the first day.

[Thanatos]

This massclaim idea that has come about;
Has drawn me to come out and rhyme,
For Sensfan's logic has come and run out.
This massclaim idea that has come about;
the idea he presented is lacking in clout,
He should stop or he's run out of time.
This massclaim idea that has come about;
Has drawn me to come out and rhyme.

[Thanatos]

Holy crap, do I feel stupid now...

Not going to say more, but I made a big mistake. Alright, I officially withdraw my proposal to massclaim...

What did you realize?

[Thanatos]

Holy crap, do I feel stupid now...

Not going to say more, but I made a big mistake. Alright, I officially withdraw my proposal to massclaim...

What did you realize?

Better yet, how did you realize it?

[Thanatos]

Not so fast, Phate. I want to see exactly what his thinking was. He may be a newb, but he still has a brain. I want to know exactly what's inside of it. Only then will I really be comfortable with "he's just a newb"

[Thanatos]

What if the scum claim unpowered? we'd be giving them all of our power roles!

[Thanatos]

@Korlash, SensFan, etc - Who cares? There's no vig here, and I don't give a fuck about theory that doesn't apply here.

@Than - yep. Completely right. But the scum are still at a big disadvantage: at least one of them

needs

to be unpowered, or their night action is useless, cuz they have to send in a nightkill. Whereas we'll have full use of all of our roles.

Yeah, but so what? I'm not good at probabilities and math, but one of them almost certinally is unpowered, and probably 2 are unpowered or has a role that may not be as useful as what he has access to. It's extremely easy to claim townie, not to mention the fact that that they can just keep killing off our power roles before they get so much as one night...It's probably a much better plan to have the role re-opener work in secret....of course, this entire plan depends on the Role re-opener being town anyways...

I don't know. There are alot of variables. We're also not including the SK, who seems to have been forgotten...this plan brings alot of what the town is capable of out into the open, and for no clear benefits.

I mean, the only thing the role re-opener risks by working in secret is getting rid of one power role for another? Is that really worth giving all this information to the scum?

[Thanatos]

You've still yet to give me a reason for why we can't just assume that a protown role re-opener couldn't just be assumed to open up a power role and move it onto a townie, with only the risk of giving up one power role for another, and WITHOUT HAVING THE RECIPIENT BE NKed.

Why do we need to have all of our protown actions out in the open. Isn't that why we don't roleclaim?

FOS

for a plan that I think mostly helps the scum.

[Thanatos]

Hmm...You may be right. I still dislike this plan though. As I said before, it leaves too many variables for screwups, and if a little thing goes wrong, it helps the scum alot. I'll withdraw my FOS, because, though I still think your plan is wrong, I believe that you think it's right. Still, be prepared to take responsibility if this goes wrong, which I think it will.

[Thanatos]

Phate and mark: Isn't that a little heavy-handed? You go from not even a serious FoS on me to a vote because of my disagreement with the plan, as soon as I relent on my debate about it, or did you not notice my last post. I'll clearify what I meant: "Logically, you're reasoning is sound and most people disagree with the plan. I believe you're sincere in your belief in your plan, but I believe it will backfire." You vote on me as soon as I do that? Weird.

I have doubts about this plan. There are 2 night kills a night, three deaths with a mislynch. Killing that many, we won't make it past night 2 before either on of the role people get offed or we have 2 or three power roles dead. Our plan will have accomplished little more than giving the scum an even better idea of who is who in this. I believe this plan does more for the scum than us, but that belief is based of a hunch as much as anything else, so I don't wish to interfere any more with it. I don't know why you're voting me, to be honest.

[Thanatos]

Actually, I just noticed something really bad. The scum get 3 kills a night, don't they? With an SK, we lose 5 people tonight if we mislynch, and they decide not to use their powers...and why wouldn't they? They're already Night communicators. They have no need to play cop or Doc. Roleblocker is a longshot tonight anyways...

If we mislynch, do we not lose half the players before D2? I want to hear from the mod on this.

[Thanatos]

I admit I forgot to factor the Doc into this. That's a bit better. And, as I believe I said, Phate, you argued it to the point where I feel your logic is sound. I just have a bad feeling. Is that so wrong?

[Thanatos]

Scum gets: confirmed identity of one vanilla per day, chance to claim vanilla in order to get a (new) power.

Town gets: a powerrole on a vanilla every night until one of the role manipulators die. Depending on who the scum target, this functions as either protection for the existing powerroles or a recycling of powerroles.

Fixed a tag

They also get, by process of elimination, all of the people who are NOT townies. my feeling is that townies are buffers, to a) keep the town from being over powered and B) to give the power roles a place to hide. If we slowly out all of our vanillas, we slowly out everyone who is not a vanilla by elimination. The benifit gained from this plan could wind up backfiring in a few ways. If the role manips die early, if the scum kill the vanilla..we could get very little for our claims. THAT is why I believe this could help the scum more than us.

You want to know what I think? This is a good plan for a scum to suggest. They can manipulate it in a few diffrent ways and use it to take control of the towns actions. I do not think you are scum, however. I don't know, really, why you believe so much in this plan. I just have a bad feeling. Too much risk, potentially negligable reward.

However, I cannot argue my way out of the plan, at least for today. So I'm willing to follow along with it. For now.

[Thanatos]

No it's not. The plan doesn't force them to lynch vanilla at all. It mearly lets them know who a vanilla is. They have no obligation to kill the vanilla just because it's there. All they REALLY get is the identity of one vanilla.

I've explained my feeling as best as I can. Yes, it is pretentious. I simply disagree in your statement that the risks are worth the potential rewards. That's all there is to it. Frankly, I think that the way your holding onto your plan is ridiculous.

I mean really. I disagree with your plan, I'm scummy. I tell you why I feel that way, I'm scummy. I decide to let you go through with the plan, I'm scummy. If I were to relent and agree with you, do you think it would no longer be scummy. Hell, it'd be even more so, at least, it would be if I was someone else observing.

So, basicly, no matter what I do, or why I do it, I'm scummy in your eyes. That's not scum hunting, that's locking on, and you know it. What I want to know is "why?"

[Thanatos]

Man who the hell mentioned the Doc? You need to be shot... (haha literally )

Dammit Phate I thought we were on to something there... Now i see you didn't even see it... *sigh*

I guess it was more then I could have hoped for I suppose...

I'm confused. can you explain that post to me.

[Thanatos]

...I;m not targeting you, and I'm not nervous in the least. I'm targeting your plan, which I feel helps the Scum. That's also why I don't care what that other guy thinks.

Ok, let me try to explain to you my position on this plan.

You do not believe your plan to be without flaws and risks, right? Few plans escape them. I looked at the risks (Scum knowing who the vanillas and, by extension, who the powers are more likely to be, and who receives the new powers) and the rewards (making sure the powers that are regained by the opener and switcher are only given to powerless players) give bigger benefit to the scum than the Town. That is what I believe. It's not baseless at all. you may disagree with that, and thats fine. What AMAZES me is your refusal to agree to disagree.

[Thanatos]

Korlash, what's your opinion? On me and the plan itself. I think I missed it.

[Thanatos]

Ok. Let's agree to disagree. There, all done. Doesn't change anything. Did you mean "agree to diagree and then unvote me," or are you good?

Let's get a list of your behaviour.

Saying that my plan was scummy w/out backing it up the second time = scummy
Saying that my plan was scummy w/out backing it up the first time = mildly scummy
Coming around about the time other players said it was a good idea = mildly scummy
Having a bad feeling about my plan = neutral
Coming up with NON-BS reasons after pressure was placed on you = somewhat protown
Pointing out actual flaws in my plan = protown

All in all, I don't find you terribly scummy. I've actually got my eye over on kabenon, who, as Korlash pointed out, is being noncommital.

But votes aren't just about who to lynch, they're also about pressure. And considering the extraordinary amount of stress that L-5 is putting you at, I'm interested enough to keep my vote here until someone else does something a bit scummier.

Nope, I'm good. We seem to (finally) understand each other. That's all I wanted. You seem to believe that I'm pressured or panicked. I was simply annoyed that you didn't understand me, and seemed to vote me all of a sudden.

You see tradeoffs, I see exploitable flaws. We shall see who's right, in the end. (And yes, it may be you)

[Thanatos]

Oh, I can't help but notice that Phate lays off the second some people come out in support of me. It could just be a coinicidence, but I'm going to remember that.

[Thanatos]

Sens, He does this in games regardless of his Alignment, and I understood it perfectly. I'm not having this exact same conversation a second time.

[Thanatos]

There once was a marvelous plan
Phate saw it, and with it he ran
It's been detracted by some
How many desp'rate scum
And how many're just stupid? Damn.

Perhaps there is only one. You ever consider that.

You know, when I present a plan and town, and it gets attacked by people, I don't write those people off as stupid or scum.

[Thanatos]

plan as town* EBWOP

[Thanatos]

Hmmm, I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier but...

The main problem that I see with Phate's plan is this: (and I can't believe this hasn't been discussed already)

What's to stop scum from claiming that they are unpowered town and getting a power role?

Funny you mention that considering that's been brought up a few times.

[Thanatos]

Wow, Sens. That was rather jumpy. Though I agree that your mass claim idea wasn't really connected to Phates...though you were both trying to get claims that would have taken advantage of the system in ways that could have backfired...


Still, you really overreacted.

[Thanatos]

Saying Buddy and acting like he meant scumbuddy was the main thing..on the other hand, upon closer inspection, I could not find Sens doing the things that Zhao said he did. Where did he back Phate, Zhao?

[Thanatos]

...Korlash, isn't that something the Switcher would do if he was scum?

[Thanatos]

No, I mean opening up the vanilla role. Wouldn't a scum want to do that, to take away power roles?

[Thanatos]

Can you point me to that? I must've missed it.

[Thanatos]

hmm...yeah, that's true. He could have just PMed the mod, without rasing suspicions..

[Thanatos]

Yeah, but that can dip into WIFOM for the record... but I agree that Korlash is seeming mostly townie to me.

That's not WIFOM, BTW. He gains nothing as scum by mentioning this. He doesn't make himself look any better or worse, though if he had a scum reason for this, he could just ask the mod directly.

So, in terms of my Scumdar on Korlash, his question changed it in no way. Doesn't make him look more town or less.

[Thanatos]

I liked most of your post, but as I've already said, this is not a WIFOM situation. He can't bring it up to make him look "too scummy" because it changes, for me at least, my opinion of him in no direction. It's something that both a scum or town would do. It doesn't make him look any more innocent by doing it.

Furthermore, if he was asking for the information for scum business, then all he would need to do is ask the mod directly, through PMs, without looking for a townie excuse. He had no need to do it, and gained nothing from it, as either townie or scum.

Wine in front of me is not quite what this situation is.

[Thanatos]

I'm not saying he would or did do it to seem more townie. I'm saying it *could* have been done to appear more townie. Or more on point, that him doing it could be argued either way, so its pointless to do so. By itself, its not something I would (or did) vote him for. Now, if later on he has built up some kind of record for giving the scum ideas in thread, then yeah, he may garner my vote. Just because they're able to confer, doesn't mean they can necessarily come up with a plan like that. We don't have to help them, should they have the switcher or reopener in their ranks, ok?

Lets suppose he is scum. He asks himself, "Would any self-respecting scum ask this in thread?" "No." "Ok, I'll ask in thread and this appear to do something that no scum would do."

WIFOM is a situation in which two opposing answers can be arrived at based on trains of thought that are based on what you think others would do.

A person who says this would never belong to group X, therefore he must belong to group Y unless he is actually a part of group X and knew you would think that a person of group X would never say that and so he did to appear to be a part of the other group. Etc.

In the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that..."

I think it all boils down to the fact that we disagree on whether this situation could have followed from a "Would any self-respecting scum ask this in thread?" "No." "Ok, I'll ask in thread and this appear to do something that no scum would do." situation. I don't believe so...but then again, if Korlash, as a scum, was thinking that way, then it doesn't really matter what I think.

[Thanatos]

I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.

Hmmm, OTM actually seems townie for me... >.> He didn't say much, but his words seems straightforward.

And actually...

Don't be fooled ;.; he is that kind of scum...
Throwing thoughtless theory just like that...

I am that kind of town too... A double edged sword.. Ripper... slasher... Tearer... Gouger...I am the teeth in the darkness! I am the Wings in the dark! I am Korlash! ROAR!

I LOL-ed XD at the irony...

His words are straightforward, but all they say is that "I agree with him" or "This person is scummy, let's kill him!" without real investigation.

[Thanatos]

OTM/Panzer, if the game is over, can you link to it?

[Thanatos]

As I'm almost positive I mentioned in the past, OTM has come off really scummy to me. Phate's vote on him was unexpected, but it's convinced me to

Vote:OTM

, with intent to lynch. It's late, so I'll go into detail tomorrow.

[Thanatos]

As I'm almost positive I mentioned in the past, OTM has come off really scummy to me. Phate's vote on him was unexpected, but it's convinced me to

Vote:OTM

, with intent to lynch. It's late, so I'll go into detail tomorrow.

Ok. I'm going to need to make this quick, but here is what it boils down to.

I am pretty uncertain about how I feel about Phate. On the one hand, I believe he is hunting scum, but on the other, his planning and stubberness is detrimental. OTM is...consistant, but the way he clings to people and flings at others leads me to question him. The two have interesting play styles, but, and I know this is mostly a hunch, I believe that one of them is scum, or both of them are distancing. I truely believe this, and reading them both togehther and apart, for me, supports this. I think that killing OTM is the right thing to do tonight, because it will help me understand this game alot better.

You don't need to agree with me, and I can can find specific posts to explain, but that is, in short, why I voted.

[Thanatos]

QuickBen, I agree with you completely.

Thanatos, you say that my planning and "stubberness" is detrimental, without explaining why, and I can more-or-less handle that. And you say I'm hunting scum, which I'm glad you realise.

But how do you go straight from, "Well, Phate's too stubborn but he is hunting scum, and OTM has commited this entire list of scumtells over here, so surely at least one of them must be scum."

You'd cooled down on my suspicion list a bit, but if we lynch OTM today, I'll be voting for you D2.

Because I feel like OTM started out clinging to you specificly, until you began strong distancing. I also feel that you potentially fit into the role of "scum leading town" by working on the OTM lynch, you think that that gets you off the hook. I'm not saying this is true, I just think that, by Killing OTM, I have the best ability to examine you, not to mention his own, innate, scumminess.

[Thanatos]

OTM clinging to me makes me scummy?

My pointing that out and pointing out all of his scumminess means I'm distancing?

My working on the OTM lynch fits me into a scum role?

My working on the OTM lynch makes me think I'm off the hook?

Even when you suffix an odd "not saying this is true," those are some incredibly flawed assumptions.



Now you know what I find more likely? I find it more likely that you've been relatively quiet throughout the whole case, and now you're popping up and saying, yeah, OTM is scummy, but what about Phate? I think it's more likely that you're defending your partner than that I'm distancing.

How am I defending OTM? I'm saying "hang the F***er" and let me think about Phate all the while.

I'm not even calling you scum. I'm saying OTM has been very scummy, and he has a relationship with you that I Find curious. That's all.

[Thanatos]

I believe that one of them is probably scum, and the possibility exists that they both are. Exactly what I said.

[Thanatos]

As happy as I am to see the vote off of me, this changes nothing about my opinion on Lynching OTM. Just for the record.

[Thanatos]

SensFan, you're newer than Thanatos and you're still in the Goon stage. If you can figure it out, so can he.

Of course two townies can fight. We've been fighting, haven't we? However, there is something unusual in your realtionship with OTM...

I think it's because, up till you voted for him, my opinion of you was that you sided with whoever agreed with you. I was surprised by your vote on OTM, and want to investigate it further, starting by killing OTM, who is also the scummiest player in the game, currently.

[Thanatos]

I meant that as "don't expect me to back off just because you unvoted me. That's not how it works."

[Thanatos]

I think Holy is putting too much emphsis on my feelings on Phate, which in and of it self is little more than me being confused about him.

For now, Korlash, I want to observe Phate. I don't get strong scum vibes off of Zhao. I get decent vibes off of you, because I think your pretty consistent. OTM is consistently scummy, and I want to see him hang. I don't get much off of anyone else, though.

[Thanatos]

So that's what's been going on here...

What Quickben did was a newbie mistake, no doubt. What I don't know if is if it was Newbie Scum or Town. His answer will decide that for me.

However, following this, I think he deserved our collective eyes on him.

Oh, and if I havn't said so before, I'm in finals week till the 20th. After that I'll be making sweet sweet love to this and all my other games.

[Thanatos]

Sorry I've been quiet. I've been busy with work, and I can't manage too much at the moment. I'm going to look over this topic by friday.

[Thanatos]

Well, Phate, this is all very interesting, but theres a problem. You're scum.

Normally, I'd wait, but we have a living Doc, and my role can be moved around if needed.

I am the Cop. I investigated Phate. Phate is guilty.

Good night.

vote:phate

[Thanatos]

Vote: Thanatos

I'm the cop. I have a guilty on QuickBen.

Oh great. this will be fun.

If you have a guilty on Quick ben, why didn't you say so? Why did you pick him? Why don't you keep your vote on him, since, if you're telling the truth, he's just as much of a confirmed scum as I am. Stop trying to confuse the people.

Everyone? ask yourself a question. In this situation, what do I have to gain? of course, Phate could die, then I die with him, and quick ben, if he is, in fact, guilty, is immediately under suspicion. Of course, there could be a counterclaim, but what are the odds it is going to come from the person I investigate? out of 12 people. That's bad luck. That's Damn bad luck.

What does Phate have to gain? What else can he do. This give him one more day to live, and to fuck with us.

So chose. Who do YOU think is innocent here?

[Thanatos]

I'm more inclined to believe Phate, because he has actually been more involved in this game than Thanatos has, as I would expect a cop to care more about the game and try to participate more. But in retrospect, why would Thanatos claim cop just to get Phate killed when we would just kill Thanatos the next day?

The fact is...I've been busy lately, and I havn't had the energy for MS than I used to. I can link you to all my other games. The past month, I've done little more than needed to not get replaced. I'm not proud of it, but it's the truth.

[Thanatos]

Nevermind reread Than's post... makes sense... Still...

We have a doc, a probable role reopener/switcher, and I have a guilty. Besides, if I don't do it now, I may lose interest again.

[Thanatos]

Ehh I still hate early claims... But I'll

Vote:Phate

becuase I really doubt he is the cop...

Oh, this is also why I wanted to kill OTM, because of his possible connection to Phate. It was always my plan to kill OTM in the first lynch, then investigate phate.

[Thanatos]

The fact that Phate supports this make me even more hesitant.

It is entirely within reason for a scum to claim his buddy as his guilty, so that we trust him. Let's not dick around. Either me or Phate is lying. I'd rather you kill me than QUick ben, because at least you can kill phate (and then, probably, quickben. Either way, I'll likely investigate QB tonight, just in case)

Let phate make his case. I'll point out the contradictions faster than you can say Objection!

[Thanatos]

Than, I've already made my case. It's right here:

Lynching QuickBen is best for town. Totally aside from role-related evidence, QuickBen's opening post confirms him as scum. Also, lynching QB gives the town the most information, due to his bit about the role-reopening not happening. I swear, if QB turned up scum after we lynched him I would vote myself and go quietly tomorrow.

I don't disbelieve QB being scum. Quite the opposite, I think you turned in your own buddy to make yourself look good. I meant the case for you really being the cop.

[Thanatos]

-_- no...comment.

Seriously. I had a guilty, and people say I came out too quickly...now there's a massclaim...how does this help anyone besides Phate and his buddies?

Holy: having a Doc as scum..It actually didn't occur to me. Still all of my other reasons are valid, and it does seem unlikely.

When OTM came out clean...I was still suspicious about Phate. I also wasn't paying close attention at the end of D1, as you'll note. Mea culpa...but it did work out for the best, if you believe me.

[Thanatos]

QB, if you did protect last night, and there was only one kill, and the role blocked person was a townie..then how can I possibly be the SK?

[Thanatos]

Wow. Miss one day and you're 1 vote away from lynch. On the plus side, when I come up town, you'll have 2 confirmed scum to go after - on the minus, with a potential 2 kill tonight, 2 after you lynch scum1, and 2 after you lynch scum2, I don't know whether the town will be alive that long. Just based on the fact that Than is taking this gambit suggests to me that the last member of the mafia is someone no one suspects, or he wouldn't have taken the risk. Of course, he probably didn't expect me to be cop with a guilty on one of his buddies.

Korlash, I actually do think you're the 3rd scum, but I don't recall mentioning that.

Is there anything in particular you want me to answer?

Well, by that logic, if we kill you, we're in a good position the win the game as town, as we'll have two confirmed scum, and, as you said, a decent clue as to the third. If you want to do the best thing for this town, it would be Suicide.

[Thanatos]

It's very unlikely you are the role opener: MBF was traded his role as RoleBlocker for a mason the night the Mason was killed, right? Isn't it therefore most likely (since the switcher didn't trade after that) that the roleblocker is the last mafia?

Isn't that what logic dictates?

The roleblocker is mafia.

I was blocked last night.

[Thanatos]

How can you forget what Thantos claimed? He's the reason we lynched Phate yesterday!

You're welcome, by the way.

[Thanatos]

Wow, how did I miss QB being mafia.

Well, looks like I was exactly right. QB was an attempt to make himself look good.

He was the one who I investigated, BTW, so it doesn't really matter that I was RBed, and it gives us a decent hint We all went through mass claims, so, assuming they wern't lying...we may be able to deduce to a decent degree who the RB might be, and work out the last scum or SK from that.

[Thanatos]

holy, there is a problem with that logic. I didn't consider there was a scum doc (and, in fact, we now know that it was QB) but if I had known that there was one, would I have acted as confidant? I'm not used to the concept of a Scum-doc. It seems silly. Of course, in hind-sight, I really should have realized it.

Listen, Holy, I came out and claimed, and that claim help lead to half of the scum going down in one blow. So, for the moment at least, give me the benifit of the doubt. I'll be dead soon enough anyways.

Right now, we need to focus. We know for a fact that there's a scum RB. can we go over who is still unclaimed. For sure, one of those people will be scum, and one of those people needs to die ASAP.

[Thanatos]

Well, thanks, but it's alright. For the moment, we have alot to go on. Holy's right, really. I COULD be the SK, if phate was mafia. There's no reason I can't be. Either way, you don't have any reason to kill me right now.

In the mean time, I'll say it again, I'd like to focus on figuring out who the RB is, and killing him. They we'll be down to a single mafia/SK

[Thanatos]

Simple. If they try to RB the SK, they have a fairly low chance of getting it. If it's me, it's a sure thing. Besides that, theymight have been counting on the possibility that the Doctor would be safe for a little while, as the SK might have assumed that the Mafia would kill the Doc.

[Thanatos]

Yeah, I've reread D-3, and decided that of the 4 people who are potential targets, I agree with MBF. Kabenon is the most likely of the bunch to be the Scum RB, due largely to his attempt to derail the game into hunting the SK, when finding the scum is so much simpler.

Deadlined, I'm comfertable putting him at L-1.

Vote:kabenon007

[Thanatos]

Yeah. Holy's my second most suspicious target right now.

[Thanatos]

Shit, I miscounted.

Fuck.

Well...Since I'm going to die tonight, I'll give my last comments.

Told you so about phate. So, Fucking, told you so.

Holy is pinging alot as an SK. Keep an eye on her. If I had to chose the next lynch, it'd be her.

MFB has been right alot, but...he fits my model for a scum leader very well. No matter how this turns out, keep an eye on him, alright. We've done well so far. We can win this.

Remember, we know there is a scum or SK among the 4 people listed. 3 now. if Kabeon isn't it, keep focused on that group. Everyone has to gain by removing an anti-town roleblocker. We can get them, I'm sure.

Finally...I'll send you any info I can in my Bah post. just keep your eyes open.

Good night. Good luck.

(it'll be funny when I survive tonight, just so they can dick with us)

[Thanatos]

Eh. it's still going on, huh?

Also, before I forget, Look more closely at DP, if we run out of leads. It is possible he's hiding behind his Limericks.

Yeah, I don't really see them targeting MBF. Even more so if Kabenon is town, since he'll look more suspicious.

[Thanatos]

Besides, all we know is that the role blocker is in that group of 3, and the role blocker is anti-town. It doesn't really matter is he's mafia or SK or whatnot. Right now we're killing the RB.

[Thanatos]

DIdn't MBF have a reason why the Scum had to be the RB, or am I remembering wrong.

[Thanatos]

We know the scum have a roleblocker. if you believe that I'm a cop, and you really should at this point, that's just fact.

If you think I'm covering for MFB, remember that there are no scumbuddies any more. A lone Mafia, and a lone SK. One of these two must be a roleblocker

If you're innocent, my bet is still on Holy.

[Thanatos]

You know, I always had this sneaking suspicion about Mike the whole time I was dead. He was just too perfect and in control. He reminds me of myself when I play SK. I feel proud of myself for being right, and a little sad that we all died in the end.


I wonder though. Had I been alive, I wonder if I would have investigated Mike. Or argued against him...Either way, Mike played Exceptionally well. Good show, man.

[Thanatos]

They had a positive investigation from me, and had inadvertently made it so that Mike could guess who the other two were, which in turn made him quite trust worthy. Very lucky on his part, unlucky on theirs.