Micro 649: Normal Idea Mafia (Game Over)

[BigYoshiFan]

Hello! Give me a second to catch up (only 7 pages, wow).

[BigYoshiFan]

Hold up, let me PM itlepip and ask what the hell he was doing this game.

Spoiler:

Kidding, of course, but seriously... what the hell?

[BigYoshiFan]

And now I see I'm at L-1. Is there really a way I can defend myself? I should've read this damn thread before I agreed to replacing. :/
Let me conjure up some reads from what little lies in this thread.

[BigYoshiFan]

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

[BigYoshiFan]

Wait, nevermind. I'm keeping my vote on Gamma.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[BigYoshiFan]

Any other reads? Because that looks like OMGUS.

I could have "OMGUS'ed" anyone else on my wagon. Why I specifically chose you is because I don't like the reasoning behind ANY of your votes and I don't like how you're jumping all over the place with your votes. Make a read, ask questions, and stop treating the vote tag like a FoS. I realize we're only 7 pages in, so I wouldn't take these reads too seriously.

McMenno - Lean Town
I don't see anything scummy about his posts, although few.

Leonshade - Lean Scum
Notably because of 130. There's still time for Day 2 to end, and frankly, nobody has done much to contribute. Also, Gamma's vote immediately after Leon's for light solidifies the Leon/Gamma team I have in mind. For this reason, I also townread light.

light_ganski - Lean Town
As mentioned in Leonshade's area

Everyone else is pretty null.

[BigYoshiFan]

2) I voted after Light's tactical replace-out.

What makes it tactical?

[BigYoshiFan]

1) You don't even agree with lynching people who go for low hanging fruit?

What?

[BigYoshiFan]

She replaced our after receiving the smallest bit of pressure.

You don't know that she requested a replacement after Leon voted her, it could have been at any time between those two VC's. Also, you admit yourself that it was the SMALLEST bit of pressure. No big deal, right? Nothing that would involve a tactical replacement.

My McMenno and reso votes were like this.

Exactly, I already mentioned I don't like the reasoning behind any of your votes.

[BigYoshiFan]

if reso's replacement does a better vote

A better vote? You mean, one better then the vote on me? Why is your vote on me then?

I won't scumread the player because reso's policy lynch seems more of a playstyle thing.

You didn't consider this for itlepip? Because his reckless style wasn't from scum.

[BigYoshiFan]

Nice question avoiding Gamma.

[BigYoshiFan]

Holy shit how are you not dead yet? Why aren't these people posting?

[BigYoshiFan]

Welp, what the hell was this? What a great game guys.... great game....

Spoiler:

****ing waste of my time

[BigYoshiFan]

Flip me, show Gamma how much closer he is to victory and how screwed this damn town is now.

[BigYoshiFan]

PR

[BigYoshiFan]

How are you not voting Gamma, McMenno?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm not up for any lynch except Gamma.

[BigYoshiFan]

Is the bottom scum and top town?

[BigYoshiFan]

But the first day and most of second was all itlepip and not me.

[BigYoshiFan]

What do you mean by Amished?

[BigYoshiFan]

Is that scummy to you?

[BigYoshiFan]

Heartache, I appreciate your attempt to get reads, but some words and reasons would be nice.

[BigYoshiFan]

Leon, Sgz, care to shed some light or... anything at all to the topic at hand?

[BigYoshiFan]

Do you still want a full-claim in spite of the setup generation?

[BigYoshiFan]

Just by the tone of Gamma's posts make me think he's scum. I'll give an example: 185, he disregards everything I had to say and just focuses on the one thing he thinks he can scumread me for, which was the amished tell. 179 and 182 were scummy for the reasons I explained in 183 and 184.

132 and 138 are just justifications he could come up for jumping onto the wagon. I mean, seriously, light_ganski tactically replaces out after one person votes for her? And until I confronted him, there's nothing in his posts that are essentially helping the game.

I know I'm all over the place here, but there's just so much to his posts that shout SCUM to me.

[BigYoshiFan]

I didn't see the setup information :/
Do you want a full claim or not?

[BigYoshiFan]

And now that I see the setup information, my role is actually a lot less powerful than I thought.

[BigYoshiFan]

Heartache, Gamma, or anyone else, any rebuttal to my read on Gamma?

[BigYoshiFan]

The only thing that you presented that I feel I can defend without getting into a long protracted argument about semantics is the part about the Amished tell. I had learned what it was just then and realized something you said before was pretty close to what I learned about. As for not answering you questions, I didn't really feel the need to.

You didn't actually defend yourself with the amished tell. I asked you why you didn't consider itlepip's reckless gameplay as a playstyle thing like you did for reso's policy lynch, but instead you completely ignored it and only acknowledged the amished tell.

There is no argument involving semantics. I asked why a little pressure on light_ganski would cause her to tactically replace out and that you can't know if she requested for a replacement before or after (likely before) Leon voted her, which is what I assume this "little amount of pressure" you're referring to is.

I also don't understand what you mean by "if reso's replacement does a better vote." Reso's vote was on me, and so is yours. If reso's vote on me isn't the best vote in your opinion, why is your vote on me?

[BigYoshiFan]

Itlepip has a reckless nature. I'm not sure if I can find a game he played in that would help me justify this (although I will), but he modded one of my games. We asked if we were allowed to swear in his game and his response was... uhmmm... well, you can look for yourself, I don't feel comfortable quoting it.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=325

[BigYoshiFan]

Well, I'm sorry. Right now I can't defend myself, I have to defend itlepip, don't I?

[BigYoshiFan]

1-shot role cop

[BigYoshiFan]

I was skeptical about doing it earlier, but at that time I didn't notice the setup and realized that this role isn't as powerful now.

[BigYoshiFan]

UM

Hard claim 2 shot

......
I'm pretty sure it says 1, also you were quick with that rebuttal.

[BigYoshiFan]

Why would he just randomly hard-claim 2-shot?

[BigYoshiFan]

Why would he just randomly hard-claim 2-shot?

I don't know, but it's a hard claim so it's serious.

......
What....
It's a hard claim... on the second page... and it's from itlepip, someone who has obviously shown a reckless nature. You believe everything he says or what?

[BigYoshiFan]

It's a Gamma/Leon or Gamma/Heart team. You'll all see it once I am hammered.

[BigYoshiFan]

IS ANYONE BESIDES MYSELF, GAMMA, AND HEARTACHE OUT THERE?
No, it was not used.

[BigYoshiFan]

Would someone who is scum be dumb enough to act so recklessly and draw to themselves so much attention like itlepip did? Is it just me?

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay I would hammer this.

I'm sorry you replaced into the slot of someone so obvscum.

What did I say that made you come to this conclusion?

[BigYoshiFan]

I'm just gonna stop trying now. Clearly there is nothing I can say that will change your mind, Heartache. Gamma obviously won't change his mind because he's scum, and what scum would resist a wagon like this? And everyone else has become imaginary. I'm gonna stress myself out more if I try any longer.

When I am hammered and flip town, Heartache, how will your look upon Gamma change?

[BigYoshiFan]

Well I'd hate to rain on your parade when I flip. I'm not calm because I'm at L-1 and the people who can hammer me haven't spoken at all. I have hope for Tere, but for Leon and Sgz I have no idea, and it only takes one of them to lynch me. And when I'm lynched, town is screwed. I'm hoping that I can have the lynch pre-determined for the next day and make it easier for town, essentially hoping my lynch has a purpose.

Self-hammering is stupid. What are you reading from the fact I haven't self-hammered?

[BigYoshiFan]

What are your thoughts on Gamma Emerald, Tere?

[BigYoshiFan]

*yawns*

[BigYoshiFan]

McMenno, your thoughts on Gamma?

[BigYoshiFan]

Gamma, your scumreads? Besides me, obviously.

[BigYoshiFan]

Gamma, your scumreads? Besides me, obviously.

McMenno is a scumread, Tere is a scumlean.

May I ask why?

[BigYoshiFan]

Which read?

I would appreciate both.

[BigYoshiFan]

Damn this game is quiet... I'm just trying to find some things to ask to get the ball rolling but I don't really know what. :/
Got anything for me?

[BigYoshiFan]

My read on Heartache is null.

I appreciate Heartache's effort in getting reads and I feel that whoever Gamma's partner is would have either taken this opportunity to lurk or hop onto my wagon, the latter of which Heartache did but justified with itlepip's play. I don't like her read on 263, because I was feeling genuine frustration because I was getting backed into a corner and no one else was posting. I can see a Gamma/Heartache team, but I still think Gamma/Leon is the way to go.

A way I have for scumhunting is focusing on why people accuse others for being scum, and in essence, how shallow the reasons are. Heartache has scumread me for these reasons:
227 - Claiming PR
234 - itlepip's hammer
237 - itlepip in general
263 - "panic" and role contradiction

Overall, pretty shallow, and if you disagree please tell me. 263 could be an exception but I just don't agree with anything said there. In a setup like this, is there really any reason to lie about whether your role is 1-shot or 2-shot? So, actually, now that I went through this process, I've got a scumlean read on Heartache. Maybe on a scumlean, rather a FoS.

[BigYoshiFan]

McMenno, your thoughts on Gamma?

I did ask you a question earlier, could you answer please?

pretty sure it's just byf/sgz

May I ask why? That's the first time anyone has come to that conclusion.

[BigYoshiFan]

Okay, what made you think scum is me and sgz?

[BigYoshiFan]

Prodge.
Still happy with my vote.

Me too.

[BigYoshiFan]

So... how about that Gamma vote guys?

[BigYoshiFan]

He's slipping down my reads. I think Heartache is a higher probability of catching scum though. What say you?

I agree that Heartache is likely scum but I think Gamma is scummier. Really, it just comes down to how he responded to me several pages ago, and if you want me to go in-depth I will. I'm down for a Heartache lynch I suppose. I trust you, and I don't think I'll doubt it. Would you like my vote on Heartache?

[BigYoshiFan]

You all better lynch Gamma and Heartache after I die, or you'll lose.

[BigYoshiFan]

And when I get lynched execute my last wish: Gamma.

[BigYoshiFan]

You all better lynch Gamma and Heartache after I die, or you'll lose.

OH MY GOSH PRAISE ME I AM A GOD.
Sorry, I just came back and thought I'd see what happened. So proud of myself. *self hug*