The real folk blues [Canceled]

[The Ascended Masters]

i guess? but the instigators of the moz wagon seem to have bonded over their weird townreads on house
and spy was telling ppl to hop on the wagon to clear house
i dont even understand

clean house

[Expedience]

what do u guys think of cakez? i didn't even register he was in this game until someone mentioned him just now

He's alright imo. It's SirCakez, I rarely have strong reads on him.

[SpyreX]

Since you're reading what do you think about expedience not understanding that this game isnt for finding scum early but killing not obvious town

[Killthestory]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

[Expedience]

Since you're reading what do you think about expedience not understanding that this game isnt for finding scum early but killing not obvious town

(≖_≖ ) be more specific

[The Ascended Masters]

Since you're reading what do you think about expedience not understanding that this game isnt for finding scum early but killing not obvious town

I think there are a lot of people who need to learn that lesson about large games.

[SpyreX]

Gosh that was so for nacho

Pedit ok i really got all trigger happy bit couldn't tell if it was legit

[The Ascended Masters]

At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy. If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

If you think something looks scummy, you push someone for it. You do not first question if it's something you've done yourself, you just push for it. Who cares if he's a hypocrite?

[The Ascended Masters]

So why did all the sheep follow nacho? do any of them have a case or something to say? gotta say hopping along to a weak bus or a townie sounds like a scum wet dream when they dont have to justify it.

Its a safe haven, even though it in theory produces content.

Who on the Maker wagon are you worried about?

[Expedience]

Skrub and expedience were at 6, I moved to skrub and made votes 5:7 in favor of skrub, then rachmarie wagon was attempted, and converted to a maker wagon.

My earlier analysis was flawed. Both skrub and expedience look pretty bad as a result of that wagon progression. All preflip of course, but neither slot looks great.

Don't do preflip associatives

Also, I like Skrub's ISO better now.

[SirCakez]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

[Maker_of_Zanos]

At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy. If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

If you think something looks scummy, you push someone for it. You do not first question if it's something you've done yourself, you just push for it. Who cares if he's a hypocrite?

And then you mislynch people who dont play by your "One-Size-Fits-All" rule; this is

great

advice.
~Zanos

[Expedience]

The only thing that really kinda striked me as odd from RM is how she stucked her head out against "nacho hate" but I don't really remember there being any Nacho hate so???

It was a null misunderstanding of SpyreX's post, but still sounds bad. Sort of analogous to when scum misinterpret a joke and get all awkward about it

[Killthestory]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

hehe i know you do lol.

im just kidding you know youre great cakez

[SpyreX]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

This just in. Its came to it.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I'm pretty excited to see Maker push his shiny new SpyreX suspicion.
In the meantime, short catch up.

Breaking my heart boo.

Unless that is murderous excitement

Murderous excitement; you are part of a very very small collection of people who I wouldn't instantly murder if given the opportunity and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't think that Maker can seriously push a case on you and end up as anything but dead by the end of it, but I'm excited to see him try.

That's the thing that I don't understand. Why can SpyreX do whatever & no one even casts a shadow of a doubt there?

I want answers; I don't wint these stupid metagames within games.

Pedit: Stuff like that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
~Zanos

[SpyreX]

At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy. If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

If you think something looks scummy, you push someone for it. You do not first question if it's something you've done yourself, you just push for it. Who cares if he's a hypocrite?

And then you mislynch people who dont play by your "One-Size-Fits-All" rule; this is

great

advice.
~Zanos

I think the italics was sarcasm you told me that was bad tyvm.

P. S. You ready to throw down yet

[The Ascended Masters]

2. 903 --> Complains about my reactionary analysis of KTS in 889 --> And what exactly is wrong with the post? It wasn't even a strong conclusion; just more of an aside/comment on how KTS was behaving this game & why. At worst its null at best its null. - Neutral (-1)

You tried to imply that KTS was scum because he wasn't acting like a troll. You didn't analyze any of his "serious posting", you just took a difference and you used that as an attempt to push him. You are docking points from SpyreX because he disagreed with you; isn't this the definition of bias?

Obviously, people are yelling because it isn't super obvious at a glance. Just cuz something looks obvious to you doesn't mean it does to everyone else. And quite frankly, I don't like how you are basically shouting from the sidelines despite not having giving your reasons to do so; it feels you dont want to be held accountable should this slot flip as town.

The Skrub wagon wasn't obvious at a glance, but it still popped up anyways. The House wagon wasn't obvious at a glance, but it still popped up anyways. SpyreX was pointing out that these wagons didn't get questioned, but yours did. Why? I don't understand how SpyreX is avoiding being held accountable for your town flip; his response blows this particular criticism out of the water, but just because he didn't give reasons for lynching you doesn't mean that people aren't going to turn to him if you flip town. I find that making a well-reasoned case on a wagon lets you get off with lynching someone more than just lynching someone does. Again, you're criticizing him for how he approached your wagon which again seems biased.

Yeah, the confirmation bias coming from this slot is quite obviously, and it really doesnt feel like town deathtunneling each other either. Show that Scrub is obvtown; if that were the case, then why is Scrub the competing top wagon? Also --> Look at the double-standard when it comes to people voting your townreads. I understand that the Scrub vote was somewhat bad, but how can you argue that Scrub's vote was much better in comparison --> You had no problem with it as far as I can tell. This is scum targeting the weakest link, not town that likes to deathtunnel players. Your attitude this game tells me so.

First, addressing the "if Skrub is obvtown, why is he the top competing wagon?". The majority opinion does not always align with an individual's opinion. The majority opinion (much like an individual opinion) is not always correct. I can elaborate on this if you'd like, but I'd hope that you can acknowledge that this is a bad line of thought if you spend some more time thinking about it.

As far as a double standard goes, SpyreX never argued that Skrub's vote was better than yours (although I'd argue that it was); he said that your vote was bad and that Skrub was obvtown (he argued absolutely nothing about your vote).

You seem to be arguing that old-timers (which feels directed at me and SpyreX in particular, please correct me if I'm wrong) are currently approaching your case with a closed mind and are producing terrible logic to push a lynch through. If you are town, I'd argue that this case is a case that you're making because you're frustrated by the push against you; you seem like a person who can approach a situation objectively but I'd be very surprised if you look at this case after the game is done and tell me that this is your objective approach to SpyreX's push on you.

[The Ascended Masters]

And then you mislynch people who dont play by your "One-Size-Fits-All" rule; this is great advice.

A majority of people aren't playing by my rules. I am not pushing or attempting to lynch all of them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I am currently making.

[The Ascended Masters]

That's the thing that I don't understand. Why can SpyreX do whatever & no one even casts a shadow of a doubt there?

Show me something that I should kill him for.
So far, what you've shown me is that you're biased against his playstyle and pushing him for it, which is a neat little coincidence because it's what you were criticizing him for doing to you earlier, which is an even neater coincidence because it's as hypocritical as your partner accused Skrub of being earlier.

[SirCakez]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

hehe i know you do lol.

im just kidding you know youre great cakez

<3

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

This just in. Its came to it.

By "comes to it" I don't mean like two days into the game

[Vifam]

Hey Nacho are you not interested in the Rach wagon at all anymore

[The Ascended Masters]

By "comes to it" he means at least 200 pages into the game.

[The Ascended Masters]

Hey Nacho are you not interested in the Rach wagon at all anymore

I'd ask the same of you about the Maker wagon.

[SpyreX]

I dont want to go into mega detail but this feels like scum that are caught for the wrong reasons tm and that special indignation that comes with it.

Like he really thought that would stick and turn the tides and is furious that i am a frictionless plane.

Pedit cakes i swear to god be a bro get on the murder bus. If had a dayvig that ended the day id have used it 20 pages ago