The real folk blues [Canceled]

[SirCakez]

Confirming to the firm
Cerb every wall you post is another tear I drop

[SirCakez]

I am the shittest of them all mhsmith
Do not denounce your king

[SirCakez]

Your analysis in 43 has ended your reign before it even begins

[SirCakez]

That can wait until confirmations end

[SirCakez]

Can I go on the mission?

[SirCakez]

Nah blame random
its always his fault

[SirCakez]

Nacho my walls rule also applies to you
I just dropped a tear
I hope you're happy

[SirCakez]

Nacho you need to look at some kittens

[SirCakez]

I'll stop shitposting when the game actually progresses
But until then I am enjoying my shitty throne

[SirCakez]

I'm a cool person right kts?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: ascended masters

[SirCakez]

also willing to policy lynch/vig

1. randomidget
2. Sekirei [Hydra of Yume and Titus]
5. ? [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
9. DiamondSentinel
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
16. Expedience
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
21. Skrub
24. davesaz
25. pisskop
28. Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
29. Nosferatu
30. Killthestory

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

I've read this post like 10 times and I still don't understand what it means.
Norvi translate pls.

Norvicodin

I'm masons with kraska

Don't buy it

Hi.

Scum, fyi, I'm a VT with no intention of participating to any notable degree until D4 or so, or when all my other games end.

That is all.

This isn't what we meant by "don't post too many walls"

Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

I was going to vote Norvi for being awkward as hell, but this is super super overexplained. Looks like scum trying too hard.

VOTE: skrub

[SirCakez]

Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

TIL I was going to hydra with Expedience

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Because I know you always try really hard

[SirCakez]

Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

TIL I was going to hydra with Expedience

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Because I know you always try really hard

You were in A Musical Mafia, so you know that isn't true.

I remember you trying pretty hard in Musical

[SirCakez]

Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

TIL I was going to hydra with Expedience

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Because I know you always try really hard

You were in A Musical Mafia, so you know that isn't true.

I remember you trying pretty hard in Musical

You are incorrect. Laziest game I've ever played. You only think that because I saved towns ass with my two vigs on scum. ^^

That "lazy" game was still better then half the games I see on site lol

Agree that Expe wagon feels sketchy

[SirCakez]

So I was out on a bike ride all day and then I saw a movie and then 20 pages appeared
FeelsBadMan

I'll catch up tomorrow morning q.q

[SirCakez]

JK I'm catching up now get hyped

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Skrub

Good wagon is good.

Also, survivalism.

VOTE: Skrub

These two posts are quite bad. Like the "survivalism" is framed as a joke but it feels somewhat legitimate. If this is multiball, then I assume Skrub and Norvi are both scum on different reams.

Hey Spy

Why all the Nacho hate already? I have not yet seen enough from him yet to peg him as town or scum Nacho, but generally speaking my experience with scum Nacho is he is an uber busser right out the gate for one of his scum budz. Then he coasts off the town cred. And town Nacho is good at building a town coalition and helping town win the game. . What exactly is your case?

I know this isn't aimed at me but....I have a gut scumlean on Nacho from the uber agressive opening he had. It didn't feel natural at all.

I don't like Kraska going for Norv's head when her main argument for Norv being scum is some kind of relationship between Exped and Norv. In her shoes it'd make a lot more sense to join a more viable wagon like Exped's for the scumflip and then she'd have an easier time making the argument Norv is scum.

Also she accused me of fucking dogs, really don't like that.

Ftr this isn't why I think Norvi could be scum at all

Believe whatever you want. I don't really care

VOTE: Skrub

What's this naked vote for?

So you do care about people voting you? I don't buy the nonchalance.

I didn't say that I don't care about votes on me. You said that I sounded fake and I said that I didn't care what you thought. Why are you even butting in on me asking someone else why they voted for me?

also willing to policy lynch/vig

1. randomidget
2. Sekirei [Hydra of Yume and Titus]
5. ? [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
9. DiamondSentinel
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
16. Expedience
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
21. Skrub
24. davesaz
25. pisskop
28. Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
29. Nosferatu
30. Killthestory

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

I've read this post like 10 times and I still don't understand what it means.
Norvi translate pls.

Norvicodin

I'm masons with kraska

Don't buy it

Hi.

Scum, fyi, I'm a VT with no intention of participating to any notable degree until D4 or so, or when all my other games end.

That is all.

This isn't what we meant by "don't post too many walls"

Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

I was going to vote Norvi for being awkward as hell, but this is super super overexplained. Looks like scum trying too hard.

VOTE: skrub

So explaining myself is scummy? Got it. I'll just post nothing but naked votes from now on.

You know what I meant, I made it pretty obvious. This reaction is awful.

House head of Norvicodin asked to replace out. Drixx replaces Norvicodin; effective immediately.

LOL I DIDNT KNOW THIS WAS A HYDRA
10/10
This doesn't change my read on them btw

I have to go do something I forgot about but I will finish this catchup tonight dw

[SirCakez]

ok im back bois

[SirCakez]

lol that's hilarious.

@diamond: were not policying d1 for being a player you don't like. Make a scum case on her if you want her gone.

lol we should be policying people. D1 is a good day for it, and we only have 50 players.


dont like is dumb tho. But so would be posting a series of joke posts about being spanked.

We aren't going to PL with obvscum like Skrub and Norvi/Drixx lying around lol.

Its suuuuuuuper easy to townread me when I'm town because I obvtown the fuck out of this game when I actually play it.

Like, I'm not overgamed, and I'm hype for this game. That means I'm going to obvtown this game. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Tentative reads on me = scum. It's not that Rach did a weak townread. It's because the townread is weak that they're scum. I'm clearly town here, tyvm.

VOTE: Rach

Ok, I want this slot dead NOW.

VOTE: KTS

DS stop being DS and be a friendly farmer this game pls and ty
I like you but posts like this are what drive people away.

I think Skrub's reaction to his wagon made him look more town tho.

So far Id be down to lynch RachMarie, she's throwing out weak reads while still sitting on her RVS on Exped, and hasn't commented on the actual wagon building up on him since.

I highly disagree on the Skrub point. What makes you think this?
I concur on Rach though, her lazy Expe vote was pretty weak (I didn't notice this until it was explicitly pointed out)

will be skipping all of DiamondSentinel's posts from now on, can policy lynch whenever

Unsurprising
Let's not do Kids TV Show Characters 2.0 though yeah?

got like 8 pages left
Ascended Masters is giving me crazy gut scum vibes still

[SirCakez]

newscum tend to be more "Im not scummy, you're the one who is scummy" Skrub's reaction feels more town because he isn't throwing allegations, he's asking why. Which I think can be read as town who thinks he's obviously town in his mind. That's not strong/sure-fire but his reaction doesn't really scream scum to me.

He didn't really ask why though?

@master

i dont see frustration.

im waiting for

"but look at x!"
"this guy is scum because (raisins)"
"but i was only doing y!"


wat we got was "why is that scummy" and "youre a dumb poopypants for saying that"


there's new player and then their hooked newscum

Believe whatever you want. I don't really care

To me, this is frustration. There's absolutely no reason for Skrub to respond with the "I don't care, believe what you want" unless he's annoyed that someone doesn't believe him.

There's also these:

So explaining myself is scummy? Got it. I'll just post nothing but naked votes from now on.

Looks like almost nobody on the wagon is giving any reasons for joining it at all. That's not sketchy at all...

I think that your expectation for Skrub to have a strong (or okay) target for a lynch just because he's being wagoned is unreasonable; he's a new player, it's a perfectly acceptable response to be confused and a little frustrated when people are piling on you and you don't really know the reasons why.

Oh I didn't see 599. That's a better reaction yeah.
But I want him to actually offer content besides "omg why am i being wagoned????"

Spoiler:

Why are we giving a pass to MoZ

I just read his ISO

VOTE: MoZ

Yeeea nacho im your sword bro but id be double happy to stick in makers neck

I'm ready.

Vote: Maker_of_Zanos

VOTE: maker

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

ok yeah, don't think I need to read the rest of the thread.

VOTE: Maker of Zanos

if you put your foot down and say "man i really want rach right now" then i'll come back for the sake of what we have together but I don't think that it's the right move

I feel you

VOTE: MoZ

WTF happened here? I am baffled why this wagon appeared.

so why are we flashwagoning maker? doesnt really register as scum for me

actually i have too many townreads, can scum just claim pls?

so why are we flashwagoning maker?

doesnt really register as scum for me

actually i have too many townreads, can scum just claim pls?

I'm not the only one confused either.

wait wrong person, someone was voting wifam with what seemed like legit intent to kill, i'll just check later

Maker's votes outside of RVS have been on: mhsmith, Nero, Expedience, Diamond - doesn't make sense to me

THANK YOU
This is enough for me to scum lean, but I haven't done any ISOs or shit, so I plan to review these two more indepth tomorrow

nah nacho feels town tbh, and he's not a threat until late game much liek cerb

this is highly untrue
If Nacho is scum he'll dominate where the wagons and discussion go
He basically strongarmed a mislynch by himself day 1 of kids tv show characters mafia, check it out

aaaand now im going to bed bye

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna do my Maker ISO after this

there's like 10 slots either not voting anything useful or just not voting, i wanna kill one of those more than maker

Like I said earlier
why PL when we can SL instead?
I want them gone too but it's better to lynch legit scummy people then useless people.

DS is a mild scum read for me at this point. Not a huge priority sort but I don't see the obv!town there. MoZ just seems bad rather than obv!wolf to me, and the IMO self-vote continues along that vein. Some of that may simply be me being over-sensitive to that after watching Ranger pull similar shit as town in open 642 (including the shitty self-vote), but I'm starting to come around the idea that shit like that actually does come more often from town, even though it never ever ever should. In this case, it's conceivable that they're scum/SK giving up, but it's also plausible that they're town giving up. I know Ircher (who I think was making those posts) is bugged by being a lynchbait type, so I can reasonably see him getting pissy and pulling a stunt like that out of frustration at being wagoned. Obviously it could be him pulling a scam and faking it, but I just don't see why it's wolf-indicative instead of essentially null. I'd still much rather wagon RachMarie at this point.

The self-vote is tactical and (mostly) not motivated by frustration

They're pissed off to an extent but only because they think their play isn't any worse here compared to when they're town, and they should be able to get away with it.

I'm not saying all self-votes are scum, in fact in my experience most I've seen are town. But reading something like that should always be based on the way in which the player self-votes, and here it was fake because they weren't even close to being lynched, they claimed not to understand why they were being wagoned, and they kept posting all this "qq i always get lynched" stuff drawing out the AtE when town would've just gone away or unvoted if they were actually frustrated. You can't just look at it like "they performed an action which was null in itself".

No, I think the self-vote was NAI
Especially considering it's Ircher as part of the hydra, who usually gets super frustrated for stupid reasons
And I've done stupid things like that before as town, even when not close to being lynched.

I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.

VOTE: maker

I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.

Still waiting for you to talk about your scumread on me. I am very intrigued

so he thinks drixx + skrub are scum, i don't see that combo making much sense unless we somehow got all town on both those wagons. i guess there's 30 players so it's possible, but at 1 point it was looking like it'd be a wagon-competition between those 2 - i feel like if one of them are scum, the other shouldn't be scum

Considering how big the game is, it's highly likely it's multiball or at least a 3rd party of some sort. So those two don't necessarily have to be scum together.

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.

This is total bullshit
Maker has obviously read their posts from the way their post was worded.
And I have no clue how he could have gotten from "better than nothing" to "don't believe I'm scum"
I'm not even townreading Maker (despite this and my bit about the self-vote being NAI) but this seems like completely made up reasoning to back up his vote.

I wanna hear more about scum sircakez

I'm not really sure about him anymore. I didn't like his iso because all of his posts are fluff, but people post like that as town and as scum so I guess that's not alignment indicative. But then he started saying that I'm obvscum and need to be lynched without really saying why he thought that. He made a couple of posts like that but it didn't feel like he was really trying to get me lynched. It felt weird

aha thank you
I was fluffing in the pregame yes
I said why I was scumreading you (and just added some more above), so I'm not sure how you're getting that I "didn't really say why I thought that"?

[SirCakez]

Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I wouldn't write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.

@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?

I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was bad
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.

[SirCakez]

Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I would write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.

@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?

I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was bad
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.

EBWOP

[SirCakez]

It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.

[SirCakez]

It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.

How does that not progress anything? I want people explain their votes so I can understand who actually believes I'm scum and who was just being opportunistic. And I left because I have a paper due tomorrow and I didn't start it until last night. Up to this point you've still done basically nothing.

And what about the 20+ people who weren't voting you?

Spoiler: Real Folks - SirCakez ISO - Day 1

1.

Hard to get a read on this ISO. SirCakez needs to cut down on the quote walls and just quote or reference what is needed or split up the posts imo. The quotes are hiding Cakez's actual content. SirCakez (whether intentionally or not) seems to obfuscate his posts a lot and I'd like him to summarize his posts in a bit more condensed way. I'll look at this again later.

ISO Score: ?
Base Score: ?
Bias Score: ?
Final Score: ?

Cakez, please cut down on the number of quote walls and/or split up your posts; it obfuscates the actual content in your posts and I dont feel like mushing through it right now.

~Zanos

Pedit: Logic is part of math. Setup-Spec and EV deal with Statistics. Get used to it.

That's because I keep having to do catchups
Its not a choice really

[SirCakez]

Spyre is town

[SirCakez]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

[SirCakez]

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

hehe i know you do lol.

im just kidding you know youre great cakez

<3

yeah cakez is usually in the backround as most alignments. he's got terrible reads as town, tho, so if he seems like he's doing good, lynch him.

I take offense to this

I will help murder Maker if it comes to it ftr

This just in. Its came to it.

By "comes to it" I don't mean like two days into the game

[SirCakez]

By "comes to it" he means at least 200 pages into the game.

I dont want to go into mega detail but this feels like scum that are caught for the wrong reasons tm and that special indignation that comes with it.

Like he really thought that would stick and turn the tides and is furious that i am a frictionless plane.

Pedit cakes i swear to god be a bro get on the murder bus. If had a dayvig that ended the day id have used it 20 pages ago

LET ME DEVELOP MY SKRUB READ IN PEACE

ffs

[SirCakez]

ok I promise I'll help push Maker through by tuesday night if the wagon hasn't collapsed by then.

[SirCakez]

I have no read on any of those slots kek

[SirCakez]

^ is one of the reasons why I don't want to end the day yet

[SirCakez]

^ is one of the reasons why I don't want to end the day yet

You are what is wrong with mafia today.
There are 32 players in the game. You do not need a read on all 32 players in the game today. It is impossible to have 32 good reads in a day without a very serious obsession and so by attempting to read 32 players in one day you have 32 reads that are not properly vetted.

I don't have a read on 1/3 of the game
Is that not a problem?

Also grapes is probably scum actually. He never lurks like this as town.

[SirCakez]

It really isnt. You keep shaking the wheat from the chaff not sit and wait forever cakez.

VOTE: maker

[SirCakez]

I mean i cant remember like half the players and i hope they die before i have to

they'll probably all go to endgame

ds why are u so obsessed with kts

this is a good question

[SirCakez]

Except that grapes is usually uber active the other times I've played with him, including the first two days....

[SirCakez]

I dont like lynching millers bc they keep freakin flipping town but
Id go for grapes if nothin else. Lurkerscum lynch is as good as anything to cull the herd that desperately needs it

He should just be vigged imo

let's lynch spyrex for info

Sure!

The Collective:
Masters
SpyreX
Rb
KTS
Skrub
DS
Cakez
Pisskop
Vifam

I think that's a pretty damn good start. Lets use it like a sword

If this is a voting bloc, sure
If a town bloc, hell no

anyone who makes shit vanity votes is gonna get a big murdercock™

vote:ABR

but SRS ABR be lurking like a champ and thats p in tune with his scum meta.

Nero is scum guys
Even if this vote was trolling his lurking is pretty awful

And drixx is still scum

[SirCakez]

Like Nero has a lot of posts, but he just makes them in little flurries then disappears
And they aren't good posts either

[SirCakez]

Well we're off to a great start!
VOTE: ascended masters
Maker town flip makes me pretty confident this is scum

[SirCakez]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

[SirCakez]

Probably because Rach is scum
I would also wagon her btw

[SirCakez]

Also probably because he's scum
Masters were the ones to strongarm away from Rach/Skrub

[SirCakez]

Except Masters were the second vote on Maker in the final vc?

[SirCakez]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

Then why would you vote them over me?

Cause that lynch was me man

Because you actually gave me some town vibes
Plus Nacho has a history of strong arming town lynches as scum

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure if nacho is scum, he is the last member of the scum team we should be concerned about lynching.

But ya know, fuck it, I'm just here so I won't be fined.

Nacho scum is a priority...

[SirCakez]

Or we could lynch him and let cops check other people?
He hasn't really been a useful town asset
That mentality is pretty bad

[SirCakez]

Hey guys and gals I am here catching up on writing for clients though, and I am happy about that because it means the bills will be paid. I genuinely thought master was scum.

Still have a strong town read on Spy, and Nacho so not sure why some people are scum reading them? Will be looking at some ISOs to get a better handle on this game and peg more folk.

As my character would say,

The road to victory seems an ever long and winding one.

this is super awful

[SirCakez]

Guys join the masters wagon
Look at how they entered the thread
They didn't even acknowledge the maker flip or the wagon forming on them

[SirCakez]

BECAUSE ITS NACHO SCUM 101

[SirCakez]

are you just their scum buddy?

[SirCakez]

skim imperium's iso in this game where they were scum (nacho did almost all of the posting) then come back
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67884

[SirCakez]

that's why I said skim
you can do it!

[SirCakez]

i wasn't in that game lol, I just watched it

[SirCakez]

Sure, but vote RachMarie first.

Deal!
VOTE: RachMarie

Why are people all over Ascended anyway?

because they're obvscum

[SirCakez]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

I don't remember masters being the main people behind that lynch

One of the main people, if not the main people. They barely considered alternatives.

Hey, Smith.

My top priority of today is bringing you into the collective in order to replace brothers Vifam and rb, or, if that is not possible because you are dirty dirty scum, end your game today. I liked a few of your posts yesterday, but I was a bit weirded out by you not responding to my call for a Zanos town case (I assume you didn't see it), and I didn't understand where your drive to solve the game went if you didn't share the mindset that I did of ending the day in a reasonable amount of time.

I'll go through your posts in depth later when I have the time, but I'd appreciate it if you talked to me about some reads that you care about before that time comes.

It's kind of weird that you're not responding to any of the people rallying against you

It's because they're scum dodging

Yeah so I went over Imperiums ISO as well as Masters and I'm not entirely sure what you're saying is similar about them. Its not the day two reaction thing you were saying is classic Nacho seeing as how Imperium died night one. Imperium spent a lot more time fluffposting and stalled having an opinion by spending a lot of time talking about snarky. Not really the same vibe as Masters.

That being said I did notice in reading Masters ISO that they aren't maybe as squeaky clean as I had thought. They are seemingly not very committed to either the Rach or Maker wagons (the rach wagon in particular feels poorly justified which is maybe odd seeing as how they were okay with flipping back to it at any time) and they have a suspicious pencheit for defending House (and to a lesser extent scrub).

pedit:
Ah! wtf's with all these posts goddamnit.

It's how they forced the wagon to Waco and shot down any alternatives that's the big similarity I'm seeing

[SirCakez]

One of the main people, if not the main people. They barely considered alternatives.

The first half of this statement is incorrect, the second half is true.

How is it incorrect?

It's how they forced the wagon to Waco and shot down any alternatives that's the big similarity I'm seeing

God. Why didn't you just tell me what to look at specifically in the first place.

Not cool.

I thought it was obvious, mb

[SirCakez]

How is it incorrect?

To be fair both your and my thoughts on this are really more opinions then facts. In either case I don't really feel that Masters did very much to push Makers wagon really. They actually felt kinda waffley the whole time. They stated more then once that they would rather be voting Rach, and I was under the impression they only flipped to Maker to suit some of their townreads.

I thought it was obvious, mb

No big.

Even if that's what you think they were doing, what you described still sounds scummy (waffling, only pushing Maker for their townreads)

[SirCakez]

Vifam says they'd gunsmith Kraska. Kraska dies. Ergo Kraska likely scum. That is very rational.

Reaction testing to try to find out who knew that information when they shouldn't is rational.

Mirhawk trying to stop that reaction test is infuriatingly scummy.

I will join the Kraska wagon if it needs help getting pushed through. But the Masters need death more.

D1 only lasted like 3 days so I don't think its an impossibility that he was gone over the weekend, he's defending scumTAM wich is kinda a red flag but town are always going to be bad and defend scum.

Fuck, Cakes town read the entire scumteam in our last game so I'm pretty surprised that he actually has a scum read on scum.

If Kraska flips town then you guys are going to sheep me until scum decides to kill me.

My issue with Drixx now is his flaming and shitflingjng then staying in the game to spite people feels like something he'd do as town.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
This should have been the lynch

Good enough for now. VOTE: mirhawk

These are both piles of garbage and are prob lurkerscum.

[SirCakez]

My issue with Drixx now is his flaming and shitflingjng then staying in the game to spite people

feels like something he'd do as town.

So you think he's doing something as town and scumreading him for it?

Wtf?
I can't see how you came to this conclusion. Like I'm baffled what this even means.

Good enough for now. VOTE: mirhawk

These are both piles of garbage and are prob lurkerscum.

Then vote me. Everyone's vote should be on a member of the neighborhood or kraska if you don't buy her incoming pgo type role claim.

I will, atfer obvscum Ascended Masters eats rope

[SirCakez]

Expe could be scum WKing yeah
But Nero is probably scum too

[SirCakez]

Vote: Mirhawk

Scumscumscum
Look at them. Not even addressing accusations or the wagon on them.

Expe could be scum WKing yeah
But Nero is probably scum too

I'm not white knighting you, Nero is making terrible posts related to you but he isn't calling you scum.

Its what he was implying

Also - I'm being hesitant to go to kraska because this reminds me of Shadowrun where Lilith and I got a mason claim from house and he was coincedently NKed that night. Then everyone took it as a "guilty" and lynched us.
Feels like similar thing.
ABR and Math can confirm this.

[SirCakez]

Panzer is scum dw

[SirCakez]

I don't think the circumstances are that different except that kraska was explicitly being targeted with an action.
But I'm really torn on it anyway since vifam was rather townie

[SirCakez]

The ONLY thing about kraska that's questiobable is not claiming pgo D1, BUT....why thr hell would they claim it now if they're scum? How does that help them?

To add to this, there seems to be an argument that kraska is claiming PGO to cover for neighborhood buddies (at least this is the only argument that makes any shred of sense to me), but this obviously doesn't hold once kraska flips anything but PGO. The claim doesn't explain Vifam death in a satisfactory way that doesn't incriminate kraska and it doesn't extend her lifespan. Not claiming it immediately is not really questionable considering join date.

*nods*

By the way, this is the reason why those of you trying to get nacho lynched early are being dumb.

Even if he's scum, he's scum who makes fucking sense and will act in a pro town fashion and figure shit out. Especially so if this is multiball(as it likely is)

And if he's not scum, then you just fucked up majorly.

Except if he's scum he's going to keep our attention and discussion in the wrong places. Just because he's acting protown doesn't mean we should lynch him.

Also he's continuing to dodge accusations against him.

Expe could be scum WKing yeah
But Nero is probably scum too

This is terrible.
So far we have Diamond and Cakez as scum.
Easy game easy money.

Detective Vedith at it again

but its Cakez so how do you tell the difference?

Like I know its really weird. Like on d1 my main push was on Drixx whom Cakez also had as scum yet my posts/reads were terrible so he kinda contradicts himself there. Today I'm pushing Exp and AM, both of who he is scumreading. So like, is he scum that thinks I'm pushing the other scum team or what?

Multiball or third party, yeah

Today I'm pushing Exp and AM, both of who he is scumreading. So like, is he scum that thinks I'm pushing the other scum team or what?

He's scum following a louder player.

Except I had these reads before Nero did kek

[SirCakez]

Also yeah really don't think Kraska is scum.
Chop chop vote Ascended Masters

Or if we're lynching in the hood Panzer is acceptable too

[SirCakez]

Where did panzer claim hoodie?

Someone else said he was in the hood, I don't think he directly claimed it.

Also he's continuing to dodge accusations against him.

If you have a real accusation you want to bring against me, I'll respond. I'm not responding to people who can't read me worth a shit and yet tunnel the shit out of me for gut reasons because there's nothing to be said.

Here's a "real accusation": you strongarmed a mislynch day 1

get lynched scum

Except I had these reads before Nero did kek

My scum read on House slot/Drixx started in #232, you didn't mention having a scumread on them until #964. Even if I'm being generous and consider your "

I was going to vote Norvi for being awkward as hel

l, but this is super super overexplained. Looks like scum trying too hard." as a scum read that still comes like 90 posts after.

I'll give you this, I probably missed it given how fast the game started.

I'm seeing Vedith posting things that are commentary on the wagons, but it's once removed. He made comments about the people voting on the wagons, vs. comments on the wagons themselves.
It is pretty shallow though.

I'm also seeing this and would not mind vedith being vigged.

Do you want there to be one? Because that's a waste of a wagon. He should be vigged with EXTREME PREJUDICE.

naw, much better vig shots in DGB and Space, Exp and Cakez in that order.

Additionally if the vig wants to shoot the scum they are free to shoot any of KTS, Cerb, AM and Road. I still think House/Drixx were kinda scummy and I'm going to expect to start seeing content from Drixx...I don't think that's to much to ask but I think he'll work itself out. Kling hasn't said anything that has made me want to poke my eyes out like she normally does so I'm kinda worried she might be scum. That needs investigation as does Math and Random.

When I wake up I'll review the Scrub case and look at Spyrex again and see how I feel.

Weren't you just townreading me earlier?

those are serious. Like there's no reason anyone should be against a DGB/Space shot.

Random. Nos. Pv maybe

These all need death yeah, except maybe Nos.

[SirCakez]

TAM has yet to post anything townie. Still want it dead.

[SirCakez]

Weren't you just townreading me earlier?

If Exp is scum I could see you not on his team but I think that "Nero is scumhunting...but he's scum looking for the other team" is a bit of a leap in logic.

I don't see the leap at all?
That's a pretty common viewpoint in multiball or at least assumed multiball games

[SirCakez]

So how do you differentiate between scum hunting other scum and town hunting scum?

Also there's like 7 slots I want dead before you so why the concern?

My reads on the individual slots

I'm not "concerned" with being vigged, I'm concerned with why you've 180ed your read on me.

[SirCakez]

ok? like your "scumread" on me comes from me "lurking" on d1 despite me actually having more posts than you

AND

I didn't have a bunch of content less fluff posts from pre-game. I mean I've seen this kind of hypocrisy from both sides but its still poor play.

I acknowledged the fact you had a lot of posts, don't misrep

Like Nero has a lot of posts, but he just makes them in little flurries then disappears
And they aren't good posts either

I'm not "concerned" with being vigged, I'm concerned with why you've 180ed your read on me.

I think your play is shit but you've played with me enough to know I change my reads constantly so why are you pretending like this isn't a thing?

I don't think I've seen you switch your reads THIS quickly before tho

These all need death yeah, except maybe Nos.

is also pretty bad. Like...idk why you'd want Random and PV vigged over Nos who is just as bad if not worse.

Because Nos has actually offered content that I can remember while the others haven't

[SirCakez]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Didn't Nero claim to be Masons with Kraska?

What the fuck is this. No, he did not.

And this isn't consistent with her previous posts at all, e.g.:

There's very likely Scum in their 'Hood and it's very likely Kraska.

I don't see how this could be a real thought process. This is a pretty black and white thing, if she really thought they claimed masons but went along with it because everyone else was wanting to lynch them then that;s basically a scumclaim.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not Scum, and you're trying way too fucking hard.

You need to pay attention. Here, let me help:

...
I'm masons with kraska

This is obviously fake and I can't believe that you thought it was legit.

Nero Cain likely scum with Kraska.

People shit claim at start of game all the time.

There is no way a mason PGO exists so Nero or Kraska is a liar people. Or both which is what I think.

Nah, Nero is prob scum and kraska town

Because this day is stupid and you guys are veering off course trying to build stupid bandwagons on TAM.

But TAM is scum!
Although I like your other suggestions for wagons.

I really like the 3 people on this TAM wagon. I mean, SirCakez, Nero, and me.

I see Sir and Nero as fairly clearly town.

Why is Nero clear town?

vote:KTS

no traction for TAM and scum is scum. To me DS, Piss and anyone else that wants to get town points.

Stuff like this is why we aren't getting any TAM traction

Ok, we need to do something about this right now.

Everyone, post their top 3 lynches for today.

No more talk about PLs or whatever until a fair amount of people do this.


To be a good example, my top 3 are KTS, Road, and TAM, in no particular order.

TAM, Panzer, DGB

This is pretty obviously DGB's scum game, I didn't realize it until her posts on this page

[SirCakez]

CAKEZ WHY DO YOU COPY MY POSTING STYLE SOTOP! !

I'm not?

@RM and cakez

ok why is DGB town?
Why is Varsoon/Dandy town?
Why is KTS town?
Why is TAM town?
Why is RK town?

Scumread
Scumread
Nullread
Scumread
Nullread

???

Also why is Cerb town?

Also a nullread

VOTE: varsoon
Come talk to us!

[SirCakez]

oh your Exp read too

Nullscum iirc

VOTE: varsoon
Come talk to us!

Shut up scum!
{I don't hate you really Cakez
You just break my heart always being scum }

I'm not tho q.q

Is this scum theater or something?

^why is this still alive^

Good question!

The Ascended Masters are prodded. They have 24 hours (till (expired on 2016-10-25 19:00:00)) to respond before I start searching for a replacement.

Please announce V/LA if you can't post each 48 hours or tell me if you have a weekly schedule for playing(for example if you can't play during weekends) and use the V/LA flag in User Control Panel. Thanks!

This is super scummy. Nacho never lurks like this as town.
Putting it in huge text because they are being allowed to coast for no reason

Also Varsoon - you're reminding me of street fighter mafia

[SirCakez]

Activity isn't alignment indicative.
Putting this in big text, so I can look cool.

LIES

I'm sorry to remind you of that game. There was a dumb PGO poisoner in that, too. Poisoner is a dumb role. Don't put poisoners in your game. They're dumb.
Nacho can be a lurksack, though. I don't know if that's an alignment tell or just not alignment indicative null stuff. shrugs. I guess I don't put much stock in meta?
I didn't even realize he was hydra'ing here.

That game was kinda dumb, but it was fun
Altho I meant your play reminded me of that game

[SirCakez]

not lynching kraska here makes sense to me

[SirCakez]

not lynching kraska here makes sense to me

I will be crying at the town stupidity at my funeral.[/quote
]

I think there's probably scum within the hood, but it's right that Vifam dying doesn't implicate kraska at all.

Cough Panzer Cough

Vedith where has nacho lurked as town?

[SirCakez]

Link it pls

[SirCakez]

Link it pls

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=67354

He came active on the last 2 days.

I went through his ISO and he seemed very active. The game was pretty short too.

Nothing really changed my mind on anything over the last few pages.

[SirCakez]

Honestly, this game would benefit from us just cutting the chaff.
There are 28 people alive.
I signed up because I intended to play a 20 player game, not a 32 player clusterfuck.
I'm not comfortable playing in this setting. I don't shine. I don't perform. I just fail to produce anything of value.

That's why I'm voting Skrub. Cut the chaff. Destroy the liabilities. Hedge the game down to a manageable state.

Except that if there's around 8-9 scum and it's multiball (I think that's standard for 32 player games) then if "we spend three days cutting the chaff" and they're town, gg.

Confirming replacement.

I hope you'll all understand that I physically cannot read 123 pages while also staying active, so my catch up plan is to ISO my slot to see what my predecessor thought of things. If there's anyone else you guys think I should ISO, or there's a particular page range I'd ought to read, just let me know.

UNVOTE:
Until I have at least some idea of what's going on.

Skrub. TAM, Varsoon/Space Dandy

This is super scummy. Nacho never lurks like this as town.
Putting it in huge text because they are being allowed to coast for no reason

I've lynched him before for not playing the way I thought he should be playing and have gotten burned for it. Also, Nacho does lurk sometimes.

I dunno, I don't feel like they're going to be lynched anytime soon, but they are being kind of scummy and there are so many lurksack vig targets that they'll never draw a NK from either scum or the vig. I would call them best either investigated or saved for later.

This attitude is why they're being allowed to coast
No let's not let them go to endgame, let's hang their asses now

[SirCakez]

This attitude is why they're being allowed to coast
No let's not let them go to endgame, let's hang their asses now

I'm okay with this but where are you going to find another thirteen people? That's why I said I don't see them being lynched today.

In the population who is nullreading them, which is a lot of people

I went through his ISO and he seemed very active. The game was pretty short too.

Nothing really changed my mind on anything over the last few pages.

I remembered it as him not being active until the last 2 days...

I mean you can reread it. It was a while ago.

I don't even know who I'm voting.

vote:TAM

TOWN TO ME!

VOTE: TAM
Lets go Lets go!

#Skrublivesmatter

Ooh! I want to do this! I like a TAM lynch. But I want more people on there first. If we can't get that lynch going, then ima stay on Math.

piss and cakez will join for sure.

@SirCakez:

From the 4 town deaths so far, I can only assume we're in some shit show of a multiball, and, yeah, if we just lynch the weakest links and only scum survives, we get fucked because multiball is the shittiest thing you can do to a town playerbase what the fuck no one should ever run multiball games again they're garbage--BUT, if all of the chaff is town anyway, then we would lose because we are a weak town in a setup that favors scum.

I mean even if they're weak at least they're town
Keeping town alive is good, yeah?

Like i super dont want tam guys you're killing me here

Join the train or get run over

VOTE: TAM

Chaff, cutting, etc.

Well this is an unpleasant surprise. Since when have I become chaff?

Since you started being obvscum and contributing nothing

Cakez wanting a TAM lynch all this time but now that there is an actual TAM wagon he's ignoring this thread?

I was putting off catchup

VOTE: the ascended masters
VOTE: the ascended masters
VOTE: the ascended masters

[SirCakez]

no help us murder them KTS

[SirCakez]

KTS this is a good lynch!
TAM calling me bad for tunneling you is pretty bad. If you're town I feel like you'd be scumhunting...and well doing SOMETHING here.

[SirCakez]

YES
YES
YES

[SirCakez]

TIL kraska claimed PGO
Am more willing to lynch that now
But TAM is going through so we can do that tomorrow

[SirCakez]

VOTE: radical

I'll take hammer duty but not happy about these

Unfortunate you've rolled scum here

hey guys how are you who are we lynching today

TAM

@Rach

- get well soon!

Vote: Mirhawk

Skrub kind of looks town, as does TAM, from thier iso skims. Would rather explore other lynch options at this point.

Well yeah skimming wallers generally looks town. You need to actually look at it.

TAMs too busy avoiding all content to do something like survivalism.

^^^
It's obvious as hell

I find myself at a bit of crossroads.

On one hand, I like what I'm seeing from TAM now.
However, I did NOT like his early game and I find it a bit strange that he only appears now that a wagon is going on him.

If Mirhawk is right about the kill flavor though, which I am uncertain how to verify...
VOTE: Kraska

This is total bullshit
They just started vomiting "content" because their wagon was actually picking up steam
Prior to the wagon getting above 3 votes they were doing jackshit

[SirCakez]

Like skrub is pretty scummy too and my kraska townread from earlier has degraded away, but TAM is just such obvscum that any other lynch today is ridiculous

[SirCakez]

Cakez then lynch me bro lets fite

Damnit kraska its like you see the mountain then drink the moonjuice

Not until TAM and co have departed for the next world

lurking, strong armed a town lynch. Thats like Nacho scum meta.

@nero, cakey: both of you have basically made this point. Can you give a good example of nacho doing this in a relatively large game? Mini if needed but preferably a large of some sort. I'll look at comparable ISO when I have time, but I'm not motivated to go hunting through a bunch of games that may or may not even be relevant.

Kids TV Show Characters Mafia

Both the top two wagons suck staying on Kraska.

Why do they suck, they're both pretty scummy?

If you want to talk about survivalism just look at TAM. Only posting content when the wagon built up on them, no scumhunting that isn't being forced by pressure.

[SirCakez]

TAM, what's your Nos case then? I don't get why they look wonderful as a kill target.

For one, why would you ever want to keep them alive? I don't really understand how you're reading their ISO and going "yep, that seems like a terrible kill target, what does Nacho see in there that makes him want to kill Nosferatu?".

I doubt that Nos is town because he hasn't done shit this game and has no plans of doing anything; every once in a while he'll pretend he's about to do something with shallow questions "what's a mole?" "oh PK you might be scum!", but there's not a genuine piece of scumhunting in the entire ISO whereas everyone else here has at least managed something.

This is garbo, Nos always does that

Nero, you've known me for 7 years. You've called me "she" for 7 years. You see every other person in the game who refers to me as "he", I've had the right gender in my profile for all of those years; how is it that, of every person that I've played with on this site and others, you're the only one who still can't get it right?

I am

supposedly

misreading you and this is what you decide to fuss at me about?

I don't expect you to ever be able to read me accurately. I do expect you to be able to use the right pronoun eventually.

Why do they suck, they're both pretty scummy?

If you want to talk about survivalism just look at TAM. Only posting content when the wagon built up on them, no scumhunting that isn't being forced by pressure.

Or I'm just posting when I have time, same as I've always done.

But I've literally never seen you get prodded before (unless I'm forgetting)

Kids TV Show Characters Mafia

Nacho, what do you think of that as a comparable to you this game? Is cakey just bullshitting or does he have a point? I'll get around to skimming it at some point but wanted your take first.

My day 1 there looks nothing like my Day 1 here. You'll be able to tell from a cursory glance.

Please do look at it mhsmith, it's super similar

who strongarmed the MoZ lynch yesterday?

You did

Let me just spell this out for Nero and Cakez (mostly for Cakez, as I actually townread him at this point).

A D1 strongarm should not be proof of scuminess, especially if it's a "less strong" player like MoZ (what I mean is if you strongarmed someone like Varsoon, Drixx, or Ranger, who seem to be strong players, that'd be scummy. I'm not saying MoZ is a weak player). Therefore, your case on TAM is not valid. It makes no sense to potentially suffer many scumreads on such a fruitless lynch.

Au contraire, this should be for a townread. However, this is moot, as TAM

did not

strongarm MoZ.

PEdit: Thank you, TAM. I'm not good at typing.

Yes it is
Especially because it was on a less strong player
It was an easy pickoff

[SirCakez]

Why would all the scums tm invest in a game this size strongarming a lynch on a 'less strong' player

Because then scum get a free night to massacre strong players and also probably because Skrub is scum and they needed a counter

Ok all trying to catch up a bit here feeling slightly better from the bronchitis thanks to the miracle of modern science (antibiotics).

First of all how many of you have played in a large number of games with Nacho (I am focusing on Nacho since hardly anything from the TAM hydra is from the other head, it is almost all pure Nacho). I have, and in fact, he was one of my first ICs as a newbie. I have seen him be lurky both as scum and as town, it is based on what is going on in his RL. So yeah those who are saying he only lurks when he is scum, need to read a few more of his games. Just recently was in a newbie game with him when he was pretty lurky early on, then later was more active in the game and helped us to win that game.

So yeah I am not 100% of course because he has not either flipped, or been copped as an innocent, or in some other way been proven he is town, but I feel good about him so far, Give me a couple more days and I should be able to get even more solid on his alignment.

Meanwhile, seriously I have played with nos, and this game totally reminds me of the Mastin game when she was lurking like crazy. I feel better about her being scum than either skrub or TAM.

Skrub is a weaker town read than TAM (mainly on Nacho as I said).

Spy is an even stronger town read for me than Nacho is.

I think we should listen to them about Nos.

VOTE: Nos

I am also not sold on Mirhawk being town, but meh we can deal with the hood later.

This is getting long so posting another post for catch up

VOTE: Nosferatu

See above

Both of these Nos votes suck

[SirCakez]

Man you have tunnel vision for TAM dude, looks around a little more, and I don't mean at Kraska.

I do
But doesn't mean TAM isn't scum

You realize everything you say about tam applies to me right. I wheedled every single vote i could on that wagon. And id do it again.

But no way in shit would i as scum. One night payoff in this mess?

But id need new pants at the idea of a game that starts lobbing off 'good' players d2 on magic pixie farts. You lobotomize to victory.

I will say watching vax dance in the wind actually qualifying every step is some shit id shoot dead.

We need flips. We need to move forward. Im against this lynch but id rather see it go through then this pussyfooting. Time for people to get off the pot

Except I think Nacho would strongarm lynches as scum and you wouldn't

Both of these Nos votes suck

How so? Do you think rach is over-explaining, or is it something else?
And it sure what you're getting at with vax- just that he's anti nacho lynch? More than that?

I think he's being voted for NAI shit and being used as a counter to scum Nacho

Ya ya rach already told me I'm blind.

We're at l-7.

Drixx, random, ABR, Varsoon ,SC, Mathblade, Mirhawk: come vote for and then hammer Nos, thank you.

Pedit; got it Aristo.

no

In fact Rach Marie was widely scumread why the hell would she be sheeped?

Because the wagon is loaded with scum, Rach included

[SirCakez]

Spoiler: nasty quote wall

Lots of bad on the nos wagon too. Vax, rach, tam, exp, kts. It's only gonna get worse once varsoon jumps ship onto the nos wagon too. I think I like 2 people on that wagon as town.and one of them is conditional.


Pedit: I agree with cakes.

You finally said something townie!

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

the scum

I've grown to like TAM this game. Bad wagon.

Are you actually reading their posts, or skimming?

"no one can explain why NOS is town thus its a good wagon"

-Nacho 2016

Exactly!

just mqke content bro.

stop igniring people who are vocally calking you oyt. yoyr fluffers are wrong

Tbf tam this should be addressed 4 srs

There's Cakez pushing me because "I've never been prodded before" - this is bullshit, this is wrong (I got prodded plenty in Quolls Mafia in Mini Normal, I got replaced in Light & Darkness). There are people pushing me because I'm lurking - lurking is not alignment indicative for me, it's life-indicative. I'm sure that no one would take my word for it (nor should they), but it doesn't really make sense to push someone with ~200 posts as for lurking; it's just holding me up to an unreasonable standard that isn't reflected in my meta.

This is just total bullshit
Quolls mafia is ancient and Light and Darkness is a mini theme
I've NEVER seen you lurk like this as town in a large theme

still reading up but the Nos wagon is completely garbage
vote TAM

[SirCakez]

I started to glaze over and so I started skimming, so I probably missed things, w/e
Math your Kraska theory might hold water but it's not a battle for today

Please... PLEASE CAN WE JUST LYNCH KTS. THIS IS SO BLATANTLY SCUM

Have you ever read a KTS game before? go do that

SirCakez I'm not really reading as town because he hasn't done shit but tunnel me and every time he does come in and tunnel me he just makes some weak shit well and fucks off again. His reasons for voting me aren't strong and the way that he's pushing me lost all of its conviction; I liked him more earlier when he was complaining about me ignoring pushes but that's gone down steadily.

They are incredibly strong, and I can add on now with your awful Nos push
You would come up with something way better then a lurker lynch as town

[SirCakez]

why are you scumreading kts?

[SirCakez]

Because everything you just described is KTS 101

[SirCakez]

DS your KTS push is really bad and is giving me the bad feels...

[SirCakez]

No wait, that's now what you wanted.

Enter Scene: MathBlade has just revealed that he plans on leaving MafiaScum due to some issues with mods and their choices to DiamondSentinel.

"But baby. I thought we had something special." he says.

"Maybe once upon a time, but not anymore. I just can't take it anymore. All of this... non-conformity!" Mathblade retorts.

"But... But I love you!"

"I don't love you. You are too attached to the chaos inherent in this system."

"But the chaos is what makes this life fun. Who ever had fun with boring ol' order all the time!"

"I did. And that's why this just isn't going to work" Mathblade says, as they leave for the door.

DiamondSentinel dives towards his feet. "But please! I can't live without you MathBlade!"

"You'll have to find a way."

"You're tearing me apart, MathBlade!"


Close Scene

LMFAO

Seriously though you two are both prob town, stop arguing

Also now that family mafia ended, I can say nacho was nothing like this there (he was town and I also tunneled him there <.<). In that game he was active throughout.

[SirCakez]

Also now that family mafia ended, I can say nacho was nothing like this there (he was town and I also tunneled him there <.<). In that game he was active throughout.

Except during that 7 day period from the 8th to the 15th. And except during the 22 - 28th period where I was inactive here. How can you call me scum for strong manning a lynch when you just saw me string man a lynch in Family? How can you say you've never seen me prodded as town before when you *just* saw me gry prodded in Family?

Your activity felt vastly higher in Family
You were open to other lynches in Family aside from elyse, not really strongarming

I didn't see that you got prodded in family though, my bad

Like sweet shit you just got done tunneling me in Family and yet again you're breaking out the "I'm 100% sure that Nacho is scum, this is his scum meta, this is scum meta"? Learn from your mistakes. Having me as a scumread is fine but being so confident where you're tunneling me to the point of ignoring everyone else yet again? Why?

I'm not even ignoring everyone else. I have a bunch of other scumreads (who conveniently are all wagoning Nos with you)

Do you have anything else on Nacho besides his level of activity, Panzer? Same with you Cakez?

@ Spy yeah it is a hydra, but like 99% of the posts is Nacho I think there were maybe one or two posts from the other head in total.

@ Nacho I still want an answer to my other questions from you.

Strongarming lynch, avoiding responding to his wagon when it initially formed, survivialism

still reading up but the

Nos wagon is completely garbage

vote TAM

Curiously strong wording.

Spoiler: The sum of Nos posting prior to Cakez first Nos townread

confucious

What's Jason Statham doing in this game?

idk
VOTE: kamelot

cats are lit fam

I'll stop shitposting when the game actually progresses
But until then I am enjoying my shitty throne

don't stop there

VOTE: giovanni

pellegro and peregrine???

too many p's tbh

VOTE: exp
posts but isnt saying anything

pedit kill fucking stealing my thunder

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

this of course was realized when scum exp actually jumped on

quack

quack

You need to participate.

nah fam

Whats this mole-thing we're talking about? Does that mean traitor or scum or something? There's no explanation I see when I hit search and I'm not sifting through 80 some pages to infer its meaning.

Are you reading the game?

Well I'm certainly not.

pk doesn't seem like he did in all the other games I've played with him.

Is this the rumored scum!pk I've been hyped up for all this time?

VOTE: pk

Word, nos?

Vote the shrub with me

are you telling me to sheep you on shrub or something else?

vote skrub wme

i meandid you see that exchange we had?

I didn't but maybe I'll get bored and I will.
VOTE: skrub

First mention of Nos in Cake Iso (not a preferred vig target): 2451
Why? 2464

Spoiler: More Nos posting

has anything changed since my last post?

surprisingly harder than I thought to get reads without reading

surprisingly harder than I thought to get reads without reading

Ditto.

Also, why isn't nosferatu on that Pl lynch either? Incomplete list yo.

^^^

If you don't have me on a lurker/PL list you fucked up.

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VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

Based on what I've read from Kamelot's ISO, you hard scumread us when we voted for Skrub, called us obvtown after deciding he was probably Town, then had another hard scumread for voting Vedith.

This is both inconsistent with your own self-meta, and smells like you defending your buddies.

I'm gonna go back to bed for now, but you'll be ISOed in a few hours.

The obvtown was a Freudian slip, as I said immediately after that. You have never been obvtown. You are, and have always been, a scummy McScumfuck.

you use this word, freudian slip. i dont think it means what you think it means.

nos is worrying me

nos is worrying me too. He's been acting weirdly lately. Every full moon he's been gone for long periods of time and no one knows where he goes. He refuses to watch anything but "Teen Wolf", and only responds to barks. I seriously think he needs professional help.

Vote Kraska

Vote Kraska.

why?
I'll check back for your answer tomorrow if I remember btw.

say a baby is rigged in a contraption that will randomly drop it from a tall tree in a forest.

if it does fall, does it make a sound?

Also, tell Nosferatu to change his avatar. Really not doing him any favors.

did you just assume my gender?

My stance on Nos is they will lurk and be useless regardless of alignment so they are a stupid lynch. Now if we wanted to lynch a scummy lurker we could lynch RM. Random more than Rach at this point.

I take great offense to this.

My stance on Nos is they will lurk and be useless regardless of alignment so they are a stupid lynch. Now if we wanted to lynch a scummy lurker we could lynch RM. Random more than Rach at this point.

I take great offense to this.

lo siento.

As far as I remember I've only played with you twice, once as scum and once as town. In both games I don't remember you doing anything. In the town game once you got to MYLO you towned it up but my stance is still that you are p useless early game.

i was jk but ty

Meta defense of Nos 3724 without any direct interaction by either with the other.

More shaming of Nos wagon.

I like my Nos vote even better now. If'n he flips scum, SirCake is buddy with him.

It's strong wording because almost all of my scumreads are pushing Nos

VOTE: Nosferatu
I'm contributing!

Like this for example

[SirCakez]

not just var

Ding ding ding

[SirCakez]

This game moves too darn fast sometimes

I've got about 20 pages to read still, but I did see the sudden Rach push which feels pretty reachy.
Kraska and DS aren't happening, and if folks are counter wagoning, we must be onto something, plus pisskop's pathetic excuse for a defense, so...
VOTE: Nosferatu

VOTE: Nosferatu

The lurkers dogpiling Nos is atrocious

I could see Nos flipping some sort of third party or second scum team but there is definitely scum all over this wagon

Your activity felt vastly higher in Family
You were open to other lynches in Family aside from elyse, not really strongarming

What game are you playing here? In Family I tried to push for Elyse day after day after day; I was not amendable to other wagons, I tried to lynch Elyse. When I compromised, I compromised on dram but iade it perfectly clear that Elyse was the only wagon I was really interested.

As far as activity goes, you're wrong. I ended up with ~300 posts at the end of Family, the difference in my activity here and there is negligible.

Here, I started pushing Rach, I ended with Zanos. Iade it clear that I was amendable to other wagons when I told Smith that if he made a strong town case on Zanos then I'd save them.

Your narrative of "oh Nacho never strongmans" is fucking absurd when you just got done playing with me strongarming. Your narrative of "oh Nacho never lurks" is ridiculous when you just got done playing with me lurking and I have absolutely no idea how you are still tunneling me with the same strength and conviction as a game that literally just ended; why aren't you reanalyzing when it turns out that your reasons are wrong?

I just went and double checked your ISO in Family and you also pushed dram a lot, you weren't just stuck on Elyse....
And posts like this don't look like "just compromise"
Family was a much smaller game then this, so the different is pretty clear.
Once you got stuck on Zanos, you never were open to anything else, in Family you were open to options besides Elyse

My scumread on you (at least the parts from meta) is weakening from our interactions (I'm a sucker for AtE) but rn the company you have on the Nos wagon, which is a counterwagon to you, is killing me.

avoiding responding to his wagon when it initially formed,

If you tunnel me and are wrong and then immediately start tunneling me again for bullshit reasons, I'm ignoring you. Yes, it's harsh, but if you don't show any capacity to reanalyze or think then my expectation is that responding to you would just be wasting my time.

I was referring to the start of today, before Family Mafia ended....

It seems like we're just talking in circles at this point. This isn't my prefered wagon but there's no point int dragging things out even further.

VOTE: nosterafu

Nos, claim please.
If there's a vig, I'd appreciate it if you shot TAM.

Like here's yet another scumbutt joining the Nos wagon

It should be obvious why people don't like it

[SirCakez]

Presumably yes
Or to protect Skrub/Kraska

[SirCakez]

Presumably yes
Or to protect Skrub/Kraska

Cakez... Cakez... We've already established that the main reason all y'all were voting Kraska was fundamentally flawed.

I can't really say much about Skrub, though.

Even disregarding that, I think her claim is fake and also I feel like her recent posting after the wagon on her dissipating is scum coasting

@sircakez

I've been saying the whole time that the nod wagon is bad but nobody cares and they just want to argue about stupid shit so I just want the day to end now. The NKs wagon is an obvious TAM counterwagon. That's why I asked for a vig shot on them

Don't vote them if you think they're a counterwagon ffs

[SirCakez]

Nobody was willing to compromise so I had to give in

There's a huge TAM wagon right now though?????

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

Who do you think is a better lynch between me and Nosferatu? Why?

Probably you. It's pretty obvious that nosterafu's wagon is mostly comprised of scum. The wagon fell out of nowhere and got 9 votes in like 5 minutes. Nobody has even provided a case on him yet. Everyone is just like "he hasn't done much so let's lynch him". I don't know if nos is actually scum and the people on his wagon are from another faction or if he's a mislynch, but I'm just not comfortable with with quickly that all came together. You're a better lynch because you're the only other option

This is quite possibly the most legit post I've seen from Skrub so far.

I didn't see this post from Skrub, ya it's awesome.
I would still lynch him tho.

I am beginning to lose faith on the Drixx slot again

[SirCakez]

Man my reads were really good (except for you nacho sorry q.q)
I really enjoyed this game though!