The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Expedience]

/confirm

[Expedience]

Still waiting on hydraguy to remove RVS.

[Expedience]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Hi DS!

[Expedience]

Probably

not a scum claim. policy says always take abr down.

this though

VOTE: Panzerjager

[Expedience]

Reads:
rb: rb
mhsmith0: town

[Expedience]

Truth be told I didn't even check my role PM because my phone internet cut out. But I saw I had the PM and started posting in this thread. I forgot to ever open it and I have no idea what role I actually am right now

How did you confirm your role then?

[Expedience]

Okay.

You should read your role PM though, otherwise you might get banned like Killthestory was (lol)

[Expedience]

I have images disabled by default so I have to click them to view it, it's much better except when someone uses trash like tinypic that takes ages to load

[Expedience]

VOTE: kraska speaking in official status as the recently appointed Townbloc Minister of Inactivity.

[Expedience]

I don't believe you.

[Expedience]

Also, you used bold instead of vote tags.

[Expedience]

If House is so bad, does that make you 50 times worse?

[Expedience]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Expedience]

lmfao

VT

[Expedience]

You're not even trying.

[Expedience]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

[Expedience]

Exped can u stop tryna make it look like we're scum together? thx

But we're not scum together, remember?

[Expedience]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

It's basically impossible for me to be scum here. *shrug*

You think I should be townreading you?

Your post did sound a bit town, but I'm not going to townread anyone with only 2 posts.

[Expedience]

^
doesn't want to talk about his scumbuddy

See, I don't buy this.

You didn't even explain your read on House at all

[Expedience]

more votesu on house ^_^

Do you agree with nc that House and I are partners?

I changed my mind about rb. I think he's town

[Expedience]

Well, I personally feel anyone whose seen me as scum, as you have, should be well aware of how unlikely I am to say the above aa scum.
Of course, on the other hand, I AM a clever motherfucker, so fuck it, maybe I should be null to everybody.

Yeah.
That sounds about right. Null.

Drixx: just cause I said null to everybody doesn't mean you get to default to null reading me.

I don't remember you other than your hydra partner was scum

[Expedience]

Huh, I didn't even see that post

The reasons aren't very strong.

I don't think you believe I'd lie about something provable.

[Expedience]

Like Exp is so desperate to defend House that he's resorting to lies.

I mean just look at this shit

House: I won't talk about Exp until we flip Kranksa
Exp:House is unreadable

^
lynch these fucking scumbags

He is unreadable.

Also, I would bus House here if we were scum together.

[Expedience]

Well, I personally feel anyone whose seen me as scum, as you have, should be well aware of how unlikely I am to say the above aa scum.
Of course, on the other hand, I AM a clever motherfucker, so fuck it, maybe I should be null to everybody.

Yeah.
That sounds about right. Null.

Drixx: just cause I said null to everybody doesn't mean you get to default to null reading me.

I don't remember you other than your hydra partner was scum

That's weird, given that I do about 90% of the posting in hydra I'm part of. Ah well.

Actually, house, I'm probably being way more productive than planned. The original point of my post was purely for the lols to see how drixx reacted to it, since he knows I LOATHE people claiming things early, even VT, since their entire "power" is to distract scum and make em waste shots thst could be aimed at actual PRs. Oh, and to increase the chances that I'd live till late game without having to put any effort into the game.

I think I just ruined both those objectives, but in exchange for that it is, as I said, basically impossible for me to be scum, probably.

I didn't read your posts because they were too long 4_4

[Expedience]

I changed my mind, don't think nc is scum any more.

VOTE: SirCakez (this is effectively a blank vote)

[Expedience]

look at house overselling himself
and look at this meaningless poking at nothing

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

VOTE: mhgsmith
That gif was fucking awful

Does it make him scum?

but the most swell part is the dissonance between what he offers and what he expects from people: "im gonna vote kraska and not explain shit and expect ppl to vote wiz me but oh noes why the fuck are u voting me for my vote that i cant backup"
all house has done so far is pretend he's contributing sth meaningful

I agree with the observation, but House always does this as either alignment.

[Expedience]

There are always idiots that will believe strongly worded bullshit. You're also claiming that you didn't see it so its very possible that you are chainsaw defending House here and claiming that I didn't explain my House scumread.

I'm not, I don't even think he's town. But people are wagoning him for completely null things

[Expedience]

Like Exp is so desperate to defend House that he's resorting to lies.

I mean just look at this shit

House: I won't talk about Exp until we flip Kranksa
Exp:House is unreadable

^
lynch these fucking scumbags

He is unreadable.

Also, I would bus House here if we were scum together.

He has 44 posts. I have 25 and MS has 32. What makes our posts readable and House unreadable?

the "I would bus" thing is stupid

90% of House's play is just "lel answer this irrelevant question why arent you answering me"

[Expedience]

Do you agree with nc that House and I are partners?

i mean...why are you concerned about this rather than...you know...why i find you suspicious?

I didn't know if you were endorsing the nonsense argument of nc, or had an different reason

Can you answer?

I don't care why you scumread me tbh.

[Expedience]

Not enough ABR votes.

RVS ended hours ago.

[Expedience]

I live in the GMT timezone so I slept through the start of Day 1. When I woke up there were pages upon pages so I am skimming for now.

I've noticed that RB somehow initially forgot to check his Role PM. I have actually seen something similar before, with Vedith. The trouble with that was he forgot his alignment during Days 4 and 5. I was "confTown" and coasted for an easy win. (This was Mini Theme 1810 and there were 2 opposing Town factions).
I'd just like to remind everyone to read their Role PM this time to avoid throwing the game.

~Maker

No followup

Is this Ircher or otherguy?

VOTE: Panzerjager

[Expedience]

Hi grapes.

VOTE: Skrub

[Expedience]

Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

This sounds fake, especially the last line

[Expedience]

Believe whatever you want. I don't really care

VOTE: Skrub

What's this naked vote for?

So you do care about people voting you? I don't buy the nonchalance.

[Expedience]

look at cute little Exp throwing his vote around in the hopes that something sticks.

cease

[Expedience]

No. I have a list of 5ish people that I want gone, I don't care about their alignments. I hate mafia, I'm only here for the flavor and I want this to be as smooth as possible and as little antagonistic behavior as possible. So all the rude, antagonistic people are out. We can scumhunt later.

Hardly anyone will support you if you try to do this, let alone a majority. May as well just give up now.

[Expedience]

Hi SirCakez, you were going to hydra with me but then I realized that all the hydra spots were filled.

Maker of Zanos, which player is which name?

[Expedience]

VOTE: [hydra of shiro and varsoon]

dumb name u 2

VOTE: Shiro & Varsoon

smith 1, frozen 0

VOTE: Mhsmith0

~Zanos

What are these supposed to mean

[Expedience]

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Lengthy doesn't have much to do with it.

It's overqualified with frail phrases in every sentence, but that's really just why it sounds intuitively bad to me. Like when he says "its weird / i dont understand how house does [superficial scumtell]"

What's your opinion of Skrub?

[Expedience]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

[Expedience]

SC, wtf? How do you not always think I'm scum if lengthy reasoning is automaticallly categorized as "scum trying too hard?

Lengthy doesn't have much to do with it.

It's overqualified with frail phrases in every sentence, but that's really just why it sounds intuitively bad to me. Like when he says "its weird / i dont understand how house does [superficial scumtell]"

What's your opinion of Skrub?

I hold no opinions at this stage of the game.

Oh right you're

that guy

*narrows eyes*

[Expedience]

Anyone for a mass claim?

I already claimed

[Expedience]

also willing to policy lynch/vig

1. randomidget
2. Sekirei [Hydra of Yume and Titus]
5. ? [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
9. DiamondSentinel
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
16. Expedience
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
21. Skrub
24. davesaz
25. pisskop
28. Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
29. Nosferatu
30. Killthestory

this list is dumb and bad.

especially with me in it. i was so godtier in your game.

Okay.

You should read your role PM though, otherwise you might get banned like Killthestory was (lol)

i'm still bitter

exp is scum lol that was easy

cerb is like being super chill right now and he's probably town because he's chill

You are still bitter, but I'm not scum.

[Expedience]

yeah you claimed a bullshit role with absolutely no flavor and just 'VT'

It wasn't a serious claim btw, it was an inside joke with nc from that time

[Expedience]

lmao

[Expedience]

i was supersaint as well sorry vedith

[Expedience]

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

[Expedience]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

[Expedience]

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

[Expedience]

Hey, I'm voting Skrub

I haven't read half the thread yet so it might change.

[Expedience]

idk that seems pretty shitty since he could just naked vote you and it'd be fine.

"why would scum do scummy things if they could just not post"

[Expedience]

Not moving my vote until I catch up

[Expedience]

Hey, I'm voting Skrub

I haven't read half the thread yet so it might change.

What you were reading to me as an attempt to be nonchalant read to me as frustration; I think that sometimes people react a bit too sensitively to votes on them and that seemed to be what was happening with Skrub.

Actually I agree with you based on 591, it does sound genuine.

UNVOTE: Skrub

[Expedience]

Not moving my vote until I catch up

Why not?
There's no reason you can't move your vote back later, correct?

He's one of those guys who don't like to be wrong so they put a lot of thought into their vote

It's cute

Otherwise I'll end up throwing uninformed votes everywhere before I settle, nobody needs to see that

[Expedience]

Wow Nacho after all we have been through I am hurt to the bone, but since you are not bussing a scum budz, you go in my town pile.


@Vifam I did post something on the wagon, on Exp and I explained why I don't just unvote generally until I have had a chance to peg people, oddly enough one of the people who broke me of that habit is Nacho, another one was Thor, in newbie games.

I am doing my best here to try to sort folks out here this game is moving fast though and I am still sick which sucks because I am so far behind on work stuffs

Adding vifam to the town pile though

This doesn't sound town however

[Expedience]

"
In post 330, Skrub wrote:
Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

I was going to vote Norvi for being awkward as hell, but this is super super overexplained. Looks like scum trying too hard.

VOTE: skrub

this is probably th efirst time i see u make a vote in a game on day 1 and not feel "wtf" about it
post 332 by skrub was kinda overstating nonchalance it stinks

Same here about the cakez thing

[Expedience]

I'm just going to vote the biggest wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

See this is why I didn't want to be wagoned lol

[Expedience]

Otherwise I'll end up throwing uninformed votes everywhere before I settle, nobody needs to see that

I don't think there's actually a problem with this.
I don't think that anyone thinks there's a problem with this, actually.

It annoys me when people like Klingoncelt do it. It's just generally disruptive to shit up the thread with uninformed conclusions like "omg this guh scumslipped vote: them oh wait it was a misunderstanding unvote xd"

[Expedience]

VOTE: Skrub

Good wagon is good.

Also, survivalism.

why didnt you vote for expidience? he had more votes

This bothers me that House could be trying to set me up as partners with him given all the talk earlier, it's pretty blatant.

[Expedience]

I was not in that game Nacho I generally do more of my meta based on games I am actually in, you know that.

I don't see how you not being in the game diminishes my point.
When I am scum, I don't always bus immediately.

To add to this, the part where RachMarie misinterprets SpyreX's post and thinks he's trying to kill you feels fake.

I think she's scared of you catching her

[Expedience]

I changed my mind, don't think nc is scum any more.

VOTE: SirCakez (this is effectively a blank vote)

Why say it's blank?
<back to the 10 more pages of catchup>

Because I didn't have any reads at this point. Why ask this question?

If this irrelevant probing leads to a vote, I will not be surprised and scumread this guy

[Expedience]

Hey guys vifam just said my main argument on house being scum is a connection between expedience and house
My iso says sth else

VOTE: vifam
POWERLYNH THIS

Lying is null, I don't believe he did this deliberately.

Otherwise, Vifam feels kinda town to me he's just chilling

[Expedience]

Hey guys vifam just said my main argument on house being scum is a connection between expedience and house
My iso says sth else

VOTE: vifam
POWERLYNH THIS

Lying is null, I don't believe he did this deliberately.

Otherwise, Vifam feels kinda town to me he's just chilling

*Making an incorrect statement, not lying

[Expedience]

Maker, why did you vote DS when I'm the largest wagon?

Do you still think I'm scum?

[Expedience]

It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

This is a reach

[Expedience]

That was a shitfest

I gotta get myself together

That still seemed like some town v town stuff at first even though it got personal.


I really feel like a Rach wagon might be the next best move because of what mhs said.


I don't really know anything anymore tbh.

I feel the exact opposite... That was definitely not TvT. If anything, it was SvS or Sv3

Nah, if anything the Sekirei hydra is town.

If they are town, we're fucked now. Titus was the only reason I didn't policy lynch them, and that's because I can read Titus like a book.

VOTE: Yume

I think you're probably town, but I disagree with this vote

Yume's indignance felt really town to me, even though I'm weirdly not sure exactly why that is.

[Expedience]

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

ok yeah, don't think I need to read the rest of the thread.

VOTE: Maker of Zanos

[Expedience]

so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Can we talk about this?

What about it?
In hindsight, it was an overstatement, but just the format of it looked like Expediance was making a ton of reads from thin air.
~Zanos

LMAO

*2 reads
*from posts in the thread

[Expedience]

Anyone who claims that they are obvtown but doesn't even try to prove it should be shot and killed immediately in my book.

Do you think Killthestory is scum for that, or is this another policy vote?

[Expedience]

Anyone who claims that they are obvtown but doesn't even try to prove it should be shot and killed immediately in my book.

Do you think Killthestory is scum for that, or is this another policy vote?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Either they are scum trying to get people to think they are town, or they are so god-awfully town that they should die.

This is a repeat of Dwlee in Cyberpunk (he said that he was obvtown but never proved it, so I dismissed him as terrible play, which was an awful mistake that cost us the game).

I get this, but you should know that's just a KTS thing.

[Expedience]

I finished reading the thread.

Town: DS, mhsmith0, Cerberus, Yumeslot
Slight town: The Ascended Masters, rb, Road Kamelot, Vifam, SirCakez
Null: everyone else including Killthestory, Vedith, Skrub
Slight scum: Drixx, Nosferatu, kraska, SpyreX
Scum: Maker of Zanos, RachMarie

[Expedience]

so why are we flashwagoning maker? doesnt really register as scum for me

actually i have too many townreads, can scum just claim pls?

They backtracked off their vote on me in an obvious scum way, admitting to making up bullshit reasoning in the process.

And half their ISO is just spinning around in a circle throwing shade at people

[Expedience]

i think pisskop might be scum

Somehow he has 45 posts but I still missed him.

I null read him, he's sort of just there

[Expedience]

And it wasn't bull**** reasoning; it was a misread so su with your misrep.
~Zanos

Pedit:
VOTE: Zanos
Like I care....

lol

[Expedience]

wait wrong person, someone was voting wifam with what seemed like legit intent to kill, i'll just check later

Maker's votes outside of RVS have been on: mhsmith, Nero, Expedience, Diamond - doesn't make sense to me

I think you're thinking of kraska.

[Expedience]

When you say you want to kill Cerb, does that mean you think he's scum or just want to kill him as policy?

[Expedience]

When you say you want to kill Cerb, does that mean you think he's scum or just want to kill him as policy?

In this game in these days the question is am i confident in him being town? Nope.

Dude sevengoddamnteen needed we cant.quibble about pallbearers

I really can't parse this and it makes me scumread you more.

[Expedience]

When you say you want to kill Cerb, does that mean you think he's scum or just want to kill him as policy?

In this game in these days the question is am i confident in him being town? Nope.

Dude sevengoddamnteen needed we cant.quibble about pallbearers

I really can't parse this and it makes me scumread you more.

Wasnt it you that said rach was fake for misreading something i said?

Interesting how that works on the other foot

I didn't say that, I was identifying the post.

[Expedience]

nah nacho feels town tbh, and he's not a threat until late game much liek cerb

Same, but he always feels manipulative so you can never fully trust him

[Expedience]

Expedience, what's so hard to parse about that? He's not confident I'm town

It doesn't answer my question.

, and doesn't believe we should be leaving wagons based on composition. Simple.

Yeah I still don't get this part

[Expedience]

I finished reading the thread.

Town: DS, mhsmith0, Cerberus, Yumeslot
Slight town: The Ascended Masters, rb, Road Kamelot, Vifam, SirCakez
Null: everyone else including Killthestory, Vedith, Skrub
Slight scum: Drixx, Nosferatu, kraska, SpyreX
Scum: Maker of Zanos, RachMarie

Why DS as strong town? I'm starting to catch, and his stuff around 730 or so was super unimpressive. What makes him (presumably) your #1 town read?

It's not ordered like that. This probably isn't going to satisfy you, but his posts just sound super genuine. He's coming from a weird perspective (all the policy lynch stuff) but he believes everything he says. His play is similar to Cerberus'.

Why Zanos as wolf instead of just bad? I've played with both Ircher and BTD6_Maker when they were town, and frankly "Mislynch Bait Twins" would be a better name for their hydra. I feel like if they were wolves it'd be pretty obvious (with the caveat that they might be getting decent coaching in day-chat, if that's something on the table in this game), and at this point, I don't see it being especially obvious.

I know and I've kept this in mind, but it

does

become pretty obvious they're wolves.

They're trying to look stupid by voting themselves etc. but it's so fake. This is basically what happened:
"well uh my reasons for my vote are bad but i did worse as town!!"
"why are you guys voting me i dont understand ;-;"
"hmph, n-not like i cared anyway vote: maker"

[Expedience]

DS is a mild scum read for me at this point. Not a huge priority sort but I don't see the obv!town there. MoZ just seems bad rather than obv!wolf to me, and the IMO self-vote continues along that vein. Some of that may simply be me being over-sensitive to that after watching Ranger pull similar shit as town in open 642 (including the shitty self-vote), but I'm starting to come around the idea that shit like that actually does come more often from town, even though it never ever ever should. In this case, it's conceivable that they're scum/SK giving up, but it's also plausible that they're town giving up. I know Ircher (who I think was making those posts) is bugged by being a lynchbait type, so I can reasonably see him getting pissy and pulling a stunt like that out of frustration at being wagoned. Obviously it could be him pulling a scam and faking it, but I just don't see why it's wolf-indicative instead of essentially null. I'd still much rather wagon RachMarie at this point.

The self-vote is tactical and (mostly) not motivated by frustration

They're pissed off to an extent but only because they think their play isn't any worse here compared to when they're town, and they should be able to get away with it.

I'm not saying all self-votes are scum, in fact in my experience most I've seen are town. But reading something like that should always be based on the way in which the player self-votes, and here it was fake because they weren't even close to being lynched, they claimed not to understand why they were being wagoned, and they kept posting all this "qq i always get lynched" stuff drawing out the AtE when town would've just gone away or unvoted if they were actually frustrated. You can't just look at it like "they performed an action which was null in itself".

[Expedience]

I would vote Rach though if I wasn't voting MoZ.

[Expedience]

Is there some secret power that gets unlocked after a number of fake davig claims? Much like this last page is there a way to wipe it from the multiverse past, present and future?

At the current rate its going to be over 100 pages for day one. Thats pants on head dumb. Lets not do that.

Lets get on board or say why its a bad idea. Kill down the list and let god sort em out.

Even though I can probably keep up, I support the idea of people not posting irrelevant garbage. It's not bad if theres a large amount of game-related content though because it makes it more difficult for scum to make reads than it does town.

[Expedience]

This bothers me that House could be trying to set me up as partners with him given all the talk earlier, it's pretty blatant.

:/

What's that supposed to mean?

[Expedience]

pppe


expedient why do you scumread house again?

Because he voted Skrub saying it was "survivalism" when I was the larger wagon, and previously the idea was floated of us being scum together. That's the only thing though, I'll mostly judge it based off the replacement.

[Expedience]

Drixx I mean.

[Expedience]

Can you be more specific why you think MoZ is scum?

You could say nothing screams town about most of the players in this game.

[Expedience]

what do u guys think of cakez? i didn't even register he was in this game until someone mentioned him just now

He's alright imo. It's SirCakez, I rarely have strong reads on him.

[Expedience]

Since you're reading what do you think about expedience not understanding that this game isnt for finding scum early but killing not obvious town

(≖_≖ ) be more specific

[Expedience]

Skrub and expedience were at 6, I moved to skrub and made votes 5:7 in favor of skrub, then rachmarie wagon was attempted, and converted to a maker wagon.

My earlier analysis was flawed. Both skrub and expedience look pretty bad as a result of that wagon progression. All preflip of course, but neither slot looks great.

Don't do preflip associatives

Also, I like Skrub's ISO better now.

[Expedience]

The only thing that really kinda striked me as odd from RM is how she stucked her head out against "nacho hate" but I don't really remember there being any Nacho hate so???

It was a null misunderstanding of SpyreX's post, but still sounds bad. Sort of analogous to when scum misinterpret a joke and get all awkward about it

[Expedience]

Nero's being a meany head.

wah wah wah!

You and Road can't sit there and accuse me of being scum thats hunting the opposite team and not expect me (and others) to not raise an eyebrow.

Why do i keep getting brought into this discussion like
I asked ya one question that was kind of a joke in its pedantry but every time you talk to KTS you bring me up like were joined at the hip

Also this is a hilarious quote to respond to in this way like buds just fuckin around at this point and youre all responding to him like a police investigator tryin to get a confession before your 24 hours of holding time are up

Also re: Skrub if hes an alt that changes things, i was thinking newscum w that reaction
If hes lying fuck em but i doubt it

Ill be back later for some cool votes
UNVOTE:
Kraskas town btw u go friend <3

@Diamond your 0 to 100 scumread on me made me laugh pls keep it up. not even the scumread itself but the "fuck RK" like i personally executed your family with my skrub vote and opinions about reading players based on their reactions

I don't like this post, it feels fake with the "haha you all make me laugh your accusations are so petty pshh ur nothing to me"

[Expedience]

Ive gotta go but before i do
VOTE: Expedience

Why?

[Expedience]

In the meantime while I'm dreaming of ending this day within a reasonable amount of time, I'd like to hear fancy reads (if you have special reasons for killing them or you'd argue their wagon if it popped up) on these people:

1. randomidget
5. Space Dandy [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
8. Road Kamelot
11. Mirhawk
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
23. PeregrineV
24. davesaz
29. Nos-feratu
32. Giovanni il Pellegrino

Maybe Road Kamelot for the post I quoted before
davesaz I would lynch
Nos-feratu because he's doing the exact thing as before where as scum he acted all snarky, dropped a vote on me and then lurked, coasting on a scumread on me until like day 3, long after I the wagon dissolved (getting wagoned early d1 but then it dissolving has happened in the past few large themes I've played). I expect he's going to do this and I didn't want to say anything but then I realized he probably won't actually read this lol. Just in case, I hyphenated his name so it doesn't come up in the search.

I have slightly positive feelings on SirCakez / grapes / Vedith

[Expedience]

because youre ignoring my question


p: @expedience

pppe


expedient why do you scumread house again?

This? I didn't see the requote, and I already answered it the first time:

pppe


expedient why do you scumread house again?

Because he voted Skrub saying it was "survivalism" when I was the larger wagon, and previously the idea was floated of us being scum together. That's the only thing though, I'll mostly judge it based off the replacement.

[Expedience]

a case on expedience:


house shenanigans plus he keeos finding reasons to sxumread people but not yownread them

do you even townreads?

yes, I obviously have townreads but it's not important to state them because we aren't going to anti-lynch them, and I find it harder to explain townreads than scumreads.

This is a stupid reason to scumread someone.

[Expedience]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Maker of Zanos  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Killthestory (+75%) - With KTS, it mainly cones down to a gutread and his posts makes me feel he's town this game.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Spyrex (+10%) - Ascended Masters brought up some good points against my "case" earlier. I have reconsidered my read and while they havent done anything I'd called really town indicative, an unbiased view reveals that they haven't really done too much in terms of scum actions either.
SirCakez (0%) - Cannot compute; maybe my other head has an opinion here (?)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Scrub (+50%) - Feels like townie frustration concerning his wagon. I would argue (possibly biasedly) that his vote switch onto us wasn't really good but likely from frustration and confirmation bias.
Diamond (-40%) - His logical reasoning has been pretty bad this game, but I wonder if thats always the case. I don't have extensive meta, so my read here isn't final or even very strong.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Summary of everyone I did an ISO read for.
~Zanos

you assholes realize lime green and bright yellow burn my eyes and eont show up against a properly lit background, right?


skittles didnt even have my name in it, and d1 readlists are bad in general

^ this, mafSepia is the only bearable theme

The "analysis" posts are as good as the characters they're represented by, anyone can make up random crap to nitpick from ISOs and percentages. I'm not even going to read that shit.

[Expedience]

Diamond what games are you playing that take 2 days to get out of RVS, jesus christ
Killthestory is town, move on
Also I dismissed ya as town before but id like to ask. where did your forceful scumread of me go
where did it come from
where did it go
where did it come from cotton eye joe

SirCakez that lurking judgement on grapes kinda sucks when its only been a coupla days, you cant say thats lurking when it could easily be a nonstandard period of inactivity in general. you know what they say about hasty judgements

Pisskop your new avatar fucking rocks
if someone has a current votecount pls post it, im gonna give reads on anyone with three or more votes if i care enough

Why are you scumreading me?

where did it come from
where did it go
where did it come from cotton eye joe

[Expedience]

no it isn't.

townhunting is easily more important than scumhunting.
esp in large games.

townblocs are deadly, prs want to direct NAs, and peoole benefi way more from talking to a person they trust.


on the flip side anchoring your opinions keeps you from changing for no reason, and makes us aware of your logic and psych.




why dont you share your townreads. no wai even an intermediate player would justify not giving townreads by calling them useless and still claim to be solving the game

I disagree with you but I don't care to argue with you.

I gave a list in 1005, dude.

And reading my ISO, I actually did talk about my townreads at certain points. I don't know where you got this from or how it's even relevant.

[Expedience]

Ah Cakes ok nvm grapes is posting in other games and not here so
Sure, lurking is an accurate statement, could be scum
Expedience tell me. why do your last two posts suck so bad dude-o

pedit: last two posts not including most recent

can't answer not a question

pisskop preach ^^^^^^

Expedience i voted cause it was a wagon i didnt hate but i specifically dont like their recent posts and am now happy to stay.

I'm not going to be lynched, probably ever.

Why aren't you voting Maker of Zanos, what's your read on them? You haven't even mentioned them at all.

People are trying to consolidate and you're just voting a shit vanity wagon with like 2 residue votes.

[Expedience]

In the meantime while I'm dreaming of ending this day within a reasonable amount of time, I'd like to hear fancy reads (if you have special reasons for killing them or you'd argue their wagon if it popped up) on these people:

1. randomidget
5. Space Dandy [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
8. Road Kamelot
11. Mirhawk
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
23. PeregrineV
24. davesaz
29. Nosferatu
32. Giovanni il Pellegrino

With the common thread being most (all?) of the people on the list have low post counts, this is a

scum

point of view.
The #1 reason to lynch is obv scum. If you don't have obv scum, the #2 reason is information.
Any strategy that removes people from the game without giving information is a scum strategy.

You're disagreeing purely based on theory, how could that possibly be alignment indicative? SpyreX and pisskop have also expressed similar ideas

Where is the scum motivation in that?

Please try and catch up with as much of the thread as you can.

[Expedience]

kraska could you do me a solid and help me find where Diamonds drive to lynch me went?

see, this is not town at all.

[Expedience]

Wait do you really only have two votes left? Fuck that this is why i asked for a votecount
Zanos is eh, id lynch it. Depending on the count I might switch but i gotta dig deeper

pedit: its jokes my bruv s'my way of asking kraska her opinion on possible Sentinel scum lmao

UNVOTE:
good point on davesaz, damn do i hate when someone calls me scum bc we disagree on maf theory

That's not a reason to unvote me, you don't just change your (presumably strongest) scumread suddenly after I say something you agree with.

You're looking for excuses to back off now that I responded negatively towards your vote, but I'm not going to back off.

[Expedience]

Fuck off.
Lynching without information is scum motivated.
Period.
I always have a reason for everything I post.

butwhy.gif

When you say scum-motivated, do you mean that you think The Ascended Masters is more likely to be scum, or just that they are doing anti-town things?

[Expedience]

Fuck off.
Lynching without information is scum motivated.
Period.
I always have a reason for everything I post.

3. The Ascended Masters [Hydra of Bearbert D and Nachomamma8]
8. Road Kamelot
10. Vifam
16. Expedience
28. Drixx Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
30. Killthestory
^
still scum though

Actually I think davesaz and SpyreX are town.

[Expedience]

Umm, who are you ranting about?

People not quicklynching in the first few days of the thread opening, and lurkers and cerberuses

Although I think it's a bit extreme, I'm not unvoting because I don't want to get yelled at. We should at least wait for most of the people on Nacho's list to become readable imo.

[Expedience]

Actually I think davesaz and SpyreX are town.

EBWOP, the quotes were accidental

[Expedience]

Cerberuses? Whaat

I thought he was the guy who refused to vote on day 1, but he's actually voting.

Umm, who are you ranting about?

People not quicklynching in the first few days of the thread opening, and lurkers and cerberuses

Although I think it's a bit extreme, I'm not unvoting because I don't want to get yelled at. We should at least wait for most of the people on Nacho's list to become readable imo.

I was actually referring to 1566. Weeks to get a lynch on whom? (or weeks to get a lynch at all??)

Yeah, SpyreX is ranting (and exaggerating) about how long it takes to build up a wagon to 17 votes, he's been going on about this for a while

[Expedience]

A while but its onnnnly been twwoooooooowooo days omg omg.

Expedience i like the cut off your jib a bit more would you like one of our pamphlets? The collective has a great benefits package and it only costs one vote.

Sure but I was probably going to vote with you anyway.

[Expedience]

We should play some games while we wait for a wagon to build up. The loser of said games has to reveal something about their role. (e.g claim an ability or your flavor)

Or not, if that'd be considered against the rules.

Anyone can go next

1. d4

[Expedience]

Math you are on some shit my man

Then he's town...

I was about to post my agreement but then it felt a little off to me.

Math, why did you out that? I remember in games I've played with you you were always the one most against unnecessary hardclaims. And here you're claiming only to explain a read. What gives?

It's kind of funny from the one-sided description we've been given here I can work out how the conversation really went lol

[Expedience]

VOTE: Diamond

I can't see Diamond as anything but scum.

Why? I disagree.

[Expedience]

1. d4 d5 2. e3

[Expedience]

I changed my mind about Road Kamelot, I think they're town.

VOTE: RachMarie

[Expedience]

If mhsmith0 makes the case and Maker responds well enough to what I posted at him recently, I'll probably be willing to back off.

I do want to understand the thought process behind this, but I don't really think TAM are scum.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Kraska77

At work will post more later there be reasons.

@Expedience you had a question why I did what I did. Because I let out as little as I could while explaining my read.

It really seemed unnecessary and out of character for you.

Did you really not think you could've just asked for his reads in the thread, or just said he wasn't pushing any reads, or just not explained it? I don't think explaining a read has more value than outing a neighborhood in the Mathblade Value System I've come to know.

I mean, eh. It feels bad but I don't see scum motivation behind this ultimately.

[Expedience]

Sircakes, why did the wagon swap from rach to maker?

I don't hold stock in this sort of thing (preflip nonsense of how others interact with wagons, and then it turns out that all the scum were just not voting), but I didn't like RachMarie and I think she was clinging to the Maker wagon because she knew that if they weren't lynched she'd be next.

[Expedience]

Whoops, forgot i quoted that
I quoted it cause i wanted to ask why the read there changed, what prompted it?
change expedience to 'could be town'

There's nothing in your posts I can specifically point to. I just read your ISO again and changed my mind, the posts I though sounded fake sound natural when I look at them again.

[Expedience]

As my character would say,

The road to victory seems an ever long and winding one.

No thanks

[Expedience]

that's why I said skim
you can do it!

Yeah, but it's impossible to absorb. It's like 1000000x more obvious to you since you were actually in the game

[Expedience]

Sure, but vote RachMarie first.

[Expedience]

I'd vote kraska, although I doubt the validity of Math's argument.

[Expedience]

Okay, I'm all caught up. I feel a little bit better about Sircakez now. Something about the way he's going after masters just feels like motivated town to me. I don't think he's faking his tone. I haven't seen any convincing proof of Rach being scum. Mirhawk gives off a bad vibe though

VOTE: mirhawk

I agree about SirCakez.

What don't you like about Mirhawk? I liked his latest posts.

RachMarie is my strongest scumread, these are the best reasons why she's scum:

It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

It is a tentative read so far but feel like Rach could be scum she isn't invested enough to make real reads and just drops off a lazy kts town read and that means she isn't genuinely trying to sort shit out.

VOTE: rachmarie

Also, wtf is that last post rach?

"I LEGITIMATELY THOUGHT MASTER WAS SCUM"
.Oh really? Are you in the business of voting for people who you don't think are scum normally?

And the blatant unpromptrd flavor crumb.

Rach is either scum or a PR, there is NO other reason to crumb flavor in this game, given that it's not role madness.

So as a PR, why the hell are you preemptively setting up for a claim later while simultaneously painting a target on your forehead?

As scum, it certainly makes sense though.

[Expedience]

Verifying that Vifam did state his intention to check Kraska for a gun in the PT.

Oh, that's actually a good argument.

VOTE: kraska77

[Expedience]

Speculating the reasons for a nightkill is rarely valid unless they have some decent reads, or are leading the town. Night actions are rarely reasons to kill. So, I'll let you have your charade, while I do actual scumhunting.

If you're scum and someone in your neighborhood says they're going to cop you, killing them is what you should definitely do WIFOM aside

[Expedience]

He was shot by vig

Math, how many people are in your neighborhood?

[Expedience]

What post makes you so sure that Skrub is town?

This one (although I'm not personally very sure Skrub is town):

Spoiler:

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself. Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification. Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me.

At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.

If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

I didn't vote you because you were a popular wagon though. I voted you because your posts are scummy as hell. So its not outright hypocrisy, its me calling you out on bullshit. And I like how you admitted in the next sentence that you only voted me because I'm a popular wagon and that you tried to justify it. Thanks for letting us all know that you don't really have a scum read on me.

I went looking for a post and I had to go back far, most of his recent posts are pretty meh.

[Expedience]

He was shot by vig

Math, how many people are in your neighborhood?

Between 1 and 100.

Since scum already know who they are, I don't see why you shouldn't just out the neighborhood now to help with process of elimination.

[Expedience]

Mathblade, Vifam, kraska, Mirhawk, and between 1 and 96 people are in a neighborhood. Vifam was a gunsmith and said that he was going to check kraska, then he died. kraska is also pretty scummy, we're wagoning her now.

[Expedience]

or if I need game-related content: maybe next time don't lynch a known lynchbait 3 days into a 2 week day phase game? (and yes there was too much crap on the thread on D1, but the solution is to post less crap, not ram through a quick lynch). I don't even know who's wolfy on that wagon (didn't bother re-reading overnight), but that thing was lazy as fuck. I don't have a great sense of Ircher's wolf range, but bitching about being scum read in a way that does nothing to defray suspicions is well within his villager range. And I'm quite curious how many people here have played with him often enough that they ought to be aware of this.

I don't think it's fair to complain that there isn't enough content. We're on page 80, what we should be worried about is too much content, this game is going to drag on for ages.

That's really not a proper evaluation of how Maker responded to the wagon either, like, I can kinda see how you think the part looks town in retrospect but he ended up pretty much trolling the thread. I've played with Ircher before, it looked worse than I've seen in the past and he was trying to fall back on his meta. I don't regret the lynch even though he flipped town, you can say stuff like that but I would've wanted him dead later on and it would have always been a distraction.

What Drixx guilty?

If 1769 is not a guilty then I'm not sure what it is.

Did you read the post

[Expedience]

Drixx is a town poison doc.
Drixx is part of a scum ream which has a poison doc/protection of some sort, ehich he may be the possessor of.
Drixx IS the poisoner.

I think a town one would claim/not use their action.

So the other 2 are more likely.

How is this post consistent with thinking 1769 is a guilty?

[Expedience]

D1 only lasted like 3 days so I don't think its an impossibility that he was gone over the weekend, he's defending scumTAM wich is kinda a red flag but town are always going to be bad and defend scum.

Fuck, Cakes town read the entire scumteam in our last game so I'm pretty surprised that he actually has a scum read on scum.

If Kraska flips town then you guys are going to sheep me until scum decides to kill me.

This feels fake.

kraska please fullclaim

[Expedience]

Since at this point the hood is not a secret, it's math, me, davesaz, mirhawk, and the recently deceased vifam. None of us are alignment confirmed.

Not sure who scum would be then, atm I'm at Mirhawk > Panzer > davesaz > Mathblade.

With a note that Mathblade always needs to be reevaluated later.

[Expedience]

This feels fake.

your entire play feels fake but then you are scum anyways so?

When I saw you were the most recent post I just knew I'd find something like this

pedit: he's saying he's conflicted and that's an issue

[Expedience]

My issue with Drixx now is his flaming and shitflingjng then staying in the game to spite people

feels like something he'd do as town.

So you think he's doing something as town and scumreading him for it?

How could this be a real conclusion wtf?

Nero is responding to posts on the most trivial superficial level, it's like the Cerberus post before.

[Expedience]

Because it was literally what his post said.

[Expedience]

Okay, I get your interpretation now.

I really hate the way you're looking for anything to throw at me.

You misinterpreted his post, holy fuck. You can't believe this.

[Expedience]

^ scumclaim

Spoiler:

DO NOT POST "^ scumclaim" BELOW THIS YOU UNORIGINAL FUCK I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO

pedit: dude. @nero two posts up

[Expedience]

VOTE: Expedience
Protection of Cakez feels really odd.

I didn't even defend him. I was clarifying a misunderstanding and then I realized Nero was scum.

[Expedience]

I really hate the way you're looking for anything to throw at me.

and you aren't doing the same thing?

This is a scumclaim, though, really.

Maker of Zanos did the same thing, and while they were town lying about their reads, Nero isn't.

[Expedience]

i had time to write this hours ago but this whole thing is annoying as fuck and i cant find the motivation to care enough to call out the bullshit
everything aside, in what world does vifam claiming intent to investigate me make me lock scum? especially when that happened in a small pt of what? 5 or 6 people? The most logical thing to assume here is someone in the pt is probably scum and killed vifam who was widely townread and also pr because why the fuck wouldnt they? vifam claiming intent to investigate me doesnt really incriminate me as much as it incriminates people in the pt who had inside knowledge to him being a PR. duh.
anyway thats mathblade logic for ya and ive been at the receiving end of their insufferable bs tunneling before anf i dont fancy being in this position again. i dont really have the patience to engage them so lynch me and get this over with.

now about vifam. why the fuck...
yeah
like, sure, he had an early scumread on me, BUT when i pressed him to explain it, it turns out he MISTOOK NERO'S POSTS FOR MINE. and then he dropped the subject and never really called me scum or paid any attention to me for the remainder of the day. why the fuck he would end up checking me is beyond me. i would have crumbed something(although that would have backfired in my face anyway) had he, you know, CALLED ME SCUM. it didnt look like anyone was gonna check me or had any serious suspicions on me by the time day 1 ended so i didnt see the need to claim yet
but yeah
anyway im a 2 shot pgo, vigging me isnt an option like i said so lynch me today.
but before i forget. theres nothing about my pm that suggests biological warfare kill flavour
at all
i asked frozen to explain if this has anything to do with me but her answers were really vague. if im gonna be pedantic, explosives fall under chemical warfare x)) i think the bological warfare part is scum's doing
vifam's been targetted by scum
yeah
what else
oh yeah
VOTE: kraska

next im gonna look at the implicit early sheeping of math today... the people who didnt even care to ask questions before dropping the vote. especially since math's early posts on me today were obscure as fuck
anyway if we lynch me today, investigatives on dav and mirhawk obviously. there is still a chance that this whole thing was sheer bad luck or coincidence and none of the people in the pt are actually scum. bc vifam still makes sense as a scum kill pick as he was townread but not enough to draw protection

You shouldn't vote yourself.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Expedience]

quack

this is also a scumclaim.

[Expedience]

I really hate the way you're looking for anything to throw at me.

and you aren't doing the same thing?

This is a scumclaim, though, really.

Maker of Zanos did the same thing, and while they were town lying about their reads, Nero isn't.

I dislike this.

They're different people, playing different roles. It's ridiculous that you somehow find it relevant to say "x did the same thing, but this time it means something different".

No fucking shit. They aren't the same player in the same slot. That bit if your post is just noise and fluff, what was the point of bringing that up and preempting a possible defense?

Nero admits to throwing anything at me even though he doesn't believe it (the "defending sircakez" thing and probably the "confirmed scum with house" thing too).

You're missing the point, I'm not saying that he's scum because of the analogy between him and Maker of Zanos, it's just an aside.

[Expedience]

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

This I meant. I misremembered it as identical to what Nero just did, but it's still similar in terms of implicit admission of dishonesty.

Just a pattern I noticed

[Expedience]

No fucking shit. They aren't the same player in the same slot. That bit if your post is just noise and fluff, what was the point of bringing that up and preempting a possible defense?

why post anything other than naked votes and yourlogicalfallacyis.com

[Expedience]

Hmmmm
Okay ill buy it
It is kind of an implicit admittance of 'looking for anything to throw at Expedience' in that reply
But i dont think its a scumclaim like this is hard to put into words but sometimes people dont think through their words very well and say things like that. even though all that was meant was something like 'youre calling me out for this but i think youre doing it too'

Pedit@pisskop ehhhh. i read the post and didnt really have problems w it esp considering the PGO claim
But i wont fault you for the vote there

It's the kind of discredit that scum often throw at someone they're pretending to scumread but know is town. Like a reflexive "no u!!"

[Expedience]

You don't believe kraska's claim?

It seems like the best way to explain the kill patterns.

[Expedience]

You don't believe kraska's claim?

It seems like the best way to explain the kill patterns.

What kill pattern?

it was 1 night.

If kraska is lying, there has to be scum a, scum b, vigilante, serial killer, since there are two kills on Vifam. kraska being PGO makes much more sense.

[Expedience]

YAWN!

Exp's hyper defensive pushback is like super scum motivated.

I'm not hyperdefensive. You aren't even pushing me lmao

You've had the same reads for ages and you've done nothing to push them.

[Expedience]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

[Expedience]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later

when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now

. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Okay this is bad. It sounds like you're just desperate to lynch anyone who isn't you. Why would we lynch outside of the people in the PT?

I said in the post, because I don't know who in the neighborhood is scum

This doesn't even make sense. If I was desperate to lynch anyone who wasn't me then I could do that by trying to lynch inside the PT. I'm not going to be lynched, anyway.

[Expedience]

Expe could be scum WKing yeah
But Nero is probably scum too

I'm not white knighting you, Nero is making terrible posts related to you but he isn't calling you scum.

[Expedience]

VOTE: kraska

It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is

kraska isn't in the PT, Panzer clarified this.

[Expedience]

VOTE: kraska

It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is

kraska isn't in the PT, Panzer clarified this.

I didn't say that she was?

Why are you voting her then?

You were

just

done berating me for not voting inside the neighborhood.

[Expedience]

Kraska: What is your kill flavor? How many shots of PGO do you have remaining?

Vifam claiming to investigate Kraska overnight doesn't make Kraska scum so the votes there are fairly nonsensical. The rest of the neighborhood looks good to decent, Mirhawk looks horrible.

She said it's 2-shot and implied the flavor is explosions.

[Expedience]

I think I buy kraska's claim even if there weren't two kills on Vifam.

Sorry I was absent, I had an exam

I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority.

I don't think scum in the neighborhood would say this, I should check if any of the others did this because it seems like an easy way to read them that is easily overlooked.

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Didn't Nero claim to be Masons with Kraska?

What the fuck is this. No, he did not.

And this isn't consistent with her previous posts at all, e.g.:

There's very likely Scum in their 'Hood and it's very likely Kraska.

I don't see how this could be a real thought process. This is a pretty black and white thing, if she really thought they claimed masons but went along with it because everyone else was wanting to lynch them then that;s basically a scumclaim.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

VOTE: Expedience
Protection of Cakez feels really odd.

I didn't even defend him. I was clarifying a misunderstanding and then I realized Nero was scum.

You are going after anyone who goes after Cakez.

Really? I'd go after anyone who made those posts towards anyone else.

"white knighting" is almost never real.

You could say the same thing about almost every vote in this game because most reads are founded upon how people accuse others. I don't trust your read, it's too simple.

[Expedience]

Dandy is simply going with the flow babies, relax. I will be here when I am needed here. Take it easy.

I'm not relaxed. Please do something, this is a hydra ffs

Does dgb normally lurk like this? Because my sense is her lurking is different from normal while pvs isn't, and if lurking really is her main issue w PV, that seems bizarre to call the kettle black.

It looks like she just read the latest page and saw DS' post out of context of everything else. DGB is usually a lurker in my experience too.

[Expedience]

If you're gonna make such a big deal about it then I'll vote mirhawk.

VOTE: mirhawk

I don't get what the big deal was. It still makes more sense to me to do it the other way around, but whatever

I like this, as well as 2318. I like davesaz's push on him as well even though it's dumb. And pisskop's push, only I like it a bit less and it's less dumb.

Mirhawk is meh, null. I was townreading him a bit earlier but I don't remember why.

kraska is probably town since the claim matches the kills, and I buy the fatalism.

Now let's wagon someone actually scum, like Klingoncelt. She's trying to fake the nonsense spam opinions she usually has as town but instead of my gut reaction "i doubt you believe this" it's "you definitely cannot believe this" in response to 2282 and also 2005. The rest is not actually very bad, but while it would otherwise make me hesitate I learnt her confidence can be easily faked when I tried to work Klingoncelt out in a previous game.

[Expedience]

You need to pay attention. Here, let me help:

...
I'm masons with kraska

I had missed this in the jumble! Thanks!

UNVOTE: Kraska

I guess Nero was bullshitting. At the time he said it I thought he was serious.

Kraska can't be a Mason

and

a PGO, can she?



Oh, crap. Is it possible that they're actually Scum and Nero fakeclaimed?

How many times have I heard Scums say they wanted to do that, claim Masons, but it was too risky?

Could Nero have actually done it?

That would take some major balls.

lol fake

[Expedience]

Actually Kling im quite familiar with you but youre probably right
I think i was off this response espexially is more like town you
I wont answer abt games tho im really sorry but secret is secret for a reason

I don't know how you can even consider this as being genuine. The tone doesn't mean shit, although it's so sickeningly over the top.

Look back at her posts around where she says that kraska is a mason

She votes kraska despite the fact she supposedly thinks she is a claimed mason

How could this possibly be consistent with a town player who thinks that kraska is a mason (and somehow doesn't manage to make the very short leap to the fact that they can't be both pgo and a mason)? It's such bullshit. Klingon I've seen post stupid things before but it's 100% impossible for someone to post those things and believe what they're saying

This is basically what happens when an idiot scum tries to dumbtell

[Expedience]

I kind of regret making that post.

I'm just frustrated with the gamestate, day 1 was so much betfer even if we lynched the wrong guy.

[Expedience]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

[Expedience]

"RandonIdget"

[Expedience]

Gah! I thought Shiro had this, but maybe shiro though I had this.
Okay, okay.
What do I need to know to get into this game?

If I were to vote one of Space Dandy or RandonIdget, I would vote Space Dandy because this is a kind of low key scumclaim

[Expedience]

Gah! I thought Shiro had this, but maybe shiro though I had this.
Okay, okay.
What do I need to know to get into this game?

If I were to vote one of Space Dandy or RandonIdget, I would vote Space Dandy because this is a kind of low key scumclaim

Do explain

Like he didn't bother to post in the thread because he thought Shiro would be maintaining their image enough for the both of them to skate by.

[Expedience]

The way Varsoon said it implies that he had the time to do stuff and that it was a choice not to post because he thought Shiro would be posting. And he probably did have time to do stuff, he was a lot more active in a game we were both in running concurrently (that just finished)

I'd like to hear more from them.

[Expedience]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.

I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.

Even if I were I wouldn't.

For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.

But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.

Lying Scum.

We got a live one lol

[Expedience]

I'm happy dgb is here towning it up.

I can't imagine seeing anything special to convince that the roles comment didn't come from scum so I'm sticking with SD slot probably

I don't think it's a good idea to write DGB off as town. All the incredulity etc. is something that could easily be faked by scum and I'm sure she knows how to do that.

[Expedience]

I really hope Varsoon can explain why Shiro replaced out (after saying nothing to us) and actually do shit soon. Varsoon is active elsewhere on the site as well.

[Expedience]

Shut up scumbo.

???

I thought you were townreading me? Why are you being so hostile?

[Expedience]

Actually I have no clue where I got that from, you never mentioned me. Why do you think I'm scum then?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you realize. Interacting with other people and identifying stances that I agree or disagree with is how I stay engaged with the game. I just think your hostility was pretty unwarranted and caught me offguard.

[Expedience]

It's like some kid sticking their fingers in their ears and screeching

There's nothing actually behind her vote. The only reason she gave is literally "you called me scum but im town so stop lying scum!!!!!". If you're just skimming along thinking "oh just another tvt" actually read it.

I don't argue with her directly because she obviously doesn't think I'm scum and it would make the game really toxic while she tried to convince everyone else that her read was genuine by yelling even louder.

pedit: @Vedith

[Expedience]

Anyone who suggests a policy lynch is exaggerating the benefit of lynching a player to insult them, since it's never actually viable and won't go through. It's funny because lynching players with complete disregard of their alignment will usually be more anti-town than whatever the other policy lynched player would do, but it's still not anti-town enough to merit policy lynching the player who tries to push a policy lynch.

[Expedience]

2756 is actually town minded.
Considering Expedience wasn't on the lurker/troll/scummy list so would have been easy to roll with.

That's one of the nullest things I've posted, it's barely related to the game. I'm town here, but when I'm scum I always try to stay as honest as possible.

[Expedience]

I've never thought expedience was town, they've been relatively scummy all game and kling pointed most of it out.

What, because I don't explain my reads?

Sorry for seeming hostile. I am not being hostile.

It's cool.

[Expedience]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.

I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.

Even if I were I wouldn't.

For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.

But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.

Lying Scum.

When scum accuse town they discredit without caring about distinguishing between town or scum, she describes my post as both idiocy and a scumtell. I can't be both but in both cases what I'm saying about her is untrue. And being upset only meshes with me being an idiot. She's upset because I gave a poorly explained but correct read.

It seemed obvious to me but I don't think anyone got it.

[Expedience]

Shrub is probably town and a bad lynch.

[Expedience]

Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

Weird / scummy joke

[Expedience]

Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

Weird / scummy joke

Slayers gambit, got you, you're scum.

[Expedience]

I think there's probably scum within the hood, but it's right that Vifam dying doesn't implicate kraska at all.

[Expedience]

^i.e. the list of people in the hood

It's Vifam (formerly), Mathblade, Mirhawk, Panzer, davesaz

[Expedience]

VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

Based on what I've read from Kamelot's ISO, you hard scumread us when we voted for Skrub, called us obvtown after deciding he was probably Town, then had another hard scumread for voting Vedith.

This is both inconsistent with your own self-meta, and smells like you defending your buddies.

I'm gonna go back to bed for now, but you'll be ISOed in a few hours.

You missed the part where it was all a misunderstanding and he said the wrong name

I admire that you're actually making an attempt though.

[Expedience]

Anyone who suggests a policy lynch is exaggerating the benefit of lynching a player to insult them, since it's never actually viable and won't go through. It's funny because lynching players with complete disregard of their alignment will usually be more anti-town than whatever the other policy lynched player would do, but it's still not anti-town enough to merit policy lynching the player who tries to push a policy lynch.

Policy lynching an anti-Town player is never a bad idea this early in the game.

In your case it would drop the toxicity considerably.

However, my wanting to lynch you on policy is a moot point, because you are in fact Scum.

Anyone can ISO you and see it.

I'm the least toxic player in this game. I actively prevent hypocrisy both in my everyday life and in-game by neither complimenting nor criticizing others, not even if they're critical of others themselves. The only cure for violence is silence.

You know nothing, peasant.

[Expedience]

2756 is actually town minded.
Considering Expedience wasn't on the lurker/troll/scummy list so would have been easy to roll with.

That's one of the nullest things I've posted, it's barely related to the game. I'm town here, but when I'm scum I always try to stay as honest as possible.

Which is why you randomly accused half a dozen players of being fake while Townreading others for no reason.

Why isn't Expedience in the Dead Thread yet?

Scummy post

[Expedience]

id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.

arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick

But Klingoncelt claimed scum

Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.

I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.

Even if I were I wouldn't.

For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.

But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.

Lying Scum.

When scum accuse town they discredit without caring about distinguishing between town or scum, she describes my post as both idiocy and a scumtell. I can't be both but in both cases what I'm saying about her is untrue. And being upset only meshes with me being an idiot. She's upset because I gave a poorly explained but correct read.

It seemed obvious to me but I don't think anyone got it.

Shitty deflection.

You said I claimed Scum.

Post the link.

Now.

Fake

[Expedience]

you know how you guys are fussing about Master being a counter wagon to Skrub? You know who Skrub was a counterwagon to? EXP. Guess who EXP was a counterwagon to? House/Drixx/Norvi.

Like I know you guys are going with the "Drixx is a claimed psn doc so he's town" but lurky Drixx is prob scum Drixx in my limited experience.

EXP could very well be scum but he's always scummy and derpy.

I can't tell what you're trying to say because I don't know what a counterwagon is supposed to mean to you. Pre-flip VCA can be used to justify any conclusion.

Also, nobody can be "always" scummy. Scummy is a perception and if you play with someone multiple times it should reach a baseline.

[Expedience]

3) There is scum in our hood and Mirhawk keeps insisting it is not the case and posting terribad bullshit in there.
4) SypreX hard defended Kraska and Mirhawk ruined my reaction test because Mirhawk likely knew something was up.

a) What I keep saying is that there is no evidence one way or the other to there being scum in the hood, the reason it keeps coming up in conversation is becuase I think its irresponsible how you're assuming that there is with no proof.
b) Maybe next time you want to do a reaction test with information I have access to you should maybe, i dunno, tell me you're doing one instead of assuming I'm going to use my amazing mind reader powers to realize why you posted information that wasn't correct. Also seeing as how you're scumreading me for doing this I don't see why you keep acting like you got no information out of it.

What reaction test is mathblade referring to?

A neighborhood of 5 players isn't going to be all town.

[Expedience]

Honestly, this game would benefit from us just cutting the chaff.
There are 28 people alive.
I signed up because I intended to play a 20 player game, not a 32 player clusterfuck.
I'm not comfortable playing in this setting. I don't shine. I don't perform. I just fail to produce anything of value.

That's why I'm voting Skrub. Cut the chaff. Destroy the liabilities. Hedge the game down to a manageable state.

You're right.

VOTE: Skrub

Let's end the day guys

[Expedience]

Right, that.

Good old Math "everything is an elaborate scum strategy to bring my sleuthing attempts down" Blade

[Expedience]

I don't think I've played with math before, I take it this is usual?

Yeah, as town and scum. It's difficult to tell because it's so easily fakeable.

[Expedience]

A neighborhood of 5 players isn't going to be all town.

how are you so sure?

Based on experience and the neighbor wiki page. Although there was Gistou but that had crippling balance issues in part due to the neighborhood being all town.

I also doubt the players in the neighborhood are all town based on reads.

I can't tell what you're trying to say because I don't know what a counterwagon is supposed to mean to you. Pre-flip VCA can be used to justify any conclusion.

What I'm saying is that a large part of the Skrub case is that he was the leading wagon until Masters overtook him. But there were other wagons that Skrub over took.

Alright, but I don't think there even is a Shrub case lol. 50% of the votes are compromise and I doubt anyone cares at this point. This is why large games are bad since the game will just lurch until it reaches a manageable size.

There was that one thing that Shrub (and Klingon) did with the "wait how come you assumed its multiball town shouldnt know that??" which I didn't like actually. But I'm not going to pretend this is optimal.

[Expedience]

I know it's confirmed by the mod but I still think it doesn't make sense for explosions and biological weapons to be tied together, like how does that work? A bomb containing shrapnel that's actually an airborne virus?

[Expedience]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

[Expedience]

Fuck anime im no weaboo (<-- secretly watched 2.5 animes)

[Expedience]

Based on experience and the neighbor wiki page. Although there was Gistou but that had crippling balance issues in part due to the neighborhood being all town.

I also doubt the players in the neighborhood are all town based on reads.

A few years ago hoods were all the rage. I mean they still pop up in games all the time but they are basically the mods way of introducing town paranoia. I think it could be theoretically all town.

Doubt it.

That wouldn't change my actions though since I'm with davesaz's plan of not lynching them

[Expedience]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

And you're still voting me because....?

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

[Expedience]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

And you're still voting me because....?

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

Lazy shit like this pisses me the fuck off. You're basically saying that you don't care about my alignment at all and just want any lynch. Maybe klingoncelt was right about you being scum

VOTE: expedience

It's not lazy. Ask SPyrex when he comes back.

Look at where your vote is, now that's lazy. I'll never get lynched especially not at 2 votes.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Diamond Sentinel

Based on what I've read from Kamelot's ISO, you hard scumread us when we voted for Skrub, called us obvtown after deciding he was probably Town, then had another hard scumread for voting Vedith.

This is both inconsistent with your own self-meta, and smells like you defending your buddies.

I'm gonna go back to bed for now, but you'll be ISOed in a few hours.

The obvtown was a Freudian slip, as I said immediately after that. You have never been obvtown. You are, and have always been, a scummy McScumfuck.

you use this word, freudian slip. i dont think it means what you think it means.

It's a phrase not a word

[Expedience]

Hi Vax, here's a run down of the game.
Shit posting for the first 100 pages
Trying to lynch town for the rest.

I have spot on reads.
Confirmed town
Me
Skrub
Exp
Karska (Although Kraska is trying to look scummy )

Confirmed scum
Diamond
TAM
Cakez

We are voting TAM today, and Diamond tomorrow.

Thank you in advance for moving your vote to TAM.

Do you think SirCakez and TAM are bussing or from opposite teams?

I don't think I can read TAM, they're inscrutable. SirCakez's push on TAM I like his conviction. DS's posts are mostly noise but he's really town. I agree with the townreads though kinda.