The real folk blues [Canceled]

[RachMarie]

/confoim

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VOTE: Expedience

For not being my gf in this game

[RachMarie]

umm rb, dude, dear, my friend, stop trolling so much ROFL

Next you will be showing your flip table GiF

[RachMarie]

Yes I should be in bed sleeping, or should be working on writing on my client's product BUT instead I wrote a poem and was posting it places so well I am here for a short bit.

caveat, I have been drinking a couple or so glasses of merlot so not up to intense intellectual stuffs.

[RachMarie]

Umm it is not game related its in my GTKAS thread though. Link in my signature

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I love that avatar Novo was it Drixx or House that found it?

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Exp I was in that game where KTS forgot to read his role PM lol he was the doc and he forgot to doc

[RachMarie]

ewww I did not need that

there is no puke smiley

yes next time warn peeps and put a spoiler on it please

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wait he did not actually flip the table in that one that is not the same one ?

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@pk

Umm it is a 32 player game with a few hydrae in it what did you expect?

[RachMarie]

If anyone knows of a site where I can like research the flavor that would be nice, especially since some people seem to be flavor claiming already. Preferably one that makes it easy for me to start sorting things out quickly because I do have to get some writing done this weekend for a client that I am way behind on because yeah stupid bug making me sick for two weeks.

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Hydra fail

Peeps voting for house should be voting the hydra norvicodin.

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Meanwhile who has not yet posted in the game so far

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Hey Spy

Why all the Nacho hate already? I have not yet seen enough from him yet to peg him as town or scum Nacho, but generally speaking my experience with scum Nacho is he is an uber busser right out the gate for one of his scum budz. Then he coasts off the town cred. And town Nacho is good at building a town coalition and helping town win the game. . What exactly is your case?

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I think he is talking about the battle tween the House head of Norv and the Titus head of Seki

Which to me feels very TvT and also not helping us really with sorting out scum. Titus tends to death tunnel a lot in games.

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It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

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Umm yeah my vote on Exp is RVS hence the joke about him not being my GF in this game. Goes to the Mastin game where he was Alexis and I was Nicholas.

Yeah I am supposed to have full reads on 32 people, some of whom have not yet posted?

What I have so far is I think the whole mess that now has gotten two hydrae down to one head each, looks like TvT

I have also stated I am not yet sold on scum Nacho because I need more from him.

I think KTS is prob town

There are already 27 pages in this game and like I said several people have not yet posted.

I am feeling good so far about Spy though I have not played with him in a very long time and I think we were only in like one game?

Nero is being rather trolly so he can also go into the prob town pile but there are a couple things about him that are bothering me.

Nero where is your fake day vig or did you finally give up that routine? I have certainly mentioned it a times that it is annoying. Also what happened to SKs being multiball not just when there is 2 maf teams? You and I have sparred a few times about that one too.

Personally, as far as if it multiball there are 32 players and my general experience in the many large games I have been in with over 20 or more players most have been multiball, and had an SK too. Whether this one is or not, we should be able to sort out better in the next couple of day phases or with some flips that show two maf teams. I only consider it multiball if there are two maf teams, not just one large team and a SK.

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And usually I am right about them in the end too rb

remember Accountant and Chrimi?

[RachMarie]

@ mod I know I am amazing, but two different places with votes on me Can we like combine those please so it is more accurate?

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Ok addressing the wagon on Exp

Expedience (6): RachMarie , Nosferatu , Maker_of_Zanos , Cerberus v666 , pisskop , Killthestory

My vote is RVS and generally speaking I keep my vote on RVS instead of just unvoting until I am able to feel I have a good solid scum read.

Nos hmm has Nos really posted anything other than voting will take a good look at this one

MoZ well meh will ISO this one

Cerb hmm could be scum or town but since he is sitting things out during this early phase need more from him. I do know he is a crafty one. After all he got me to lose my cool (a rare thing to behold) and had me yelling at a fake character in homestuck when he was the mod lol.

PK feels kind of towny but I really have little experience with him as scum.

Already addressed that KTS is prob town.

[RachMarie]

@mod HUGS girl, it happens don't stress too much you have that wee baby coming in just a couple of weeks or so now.

[RachMarie]

sorry wrong game

I think I need some coffee been drinking tea because I have been sick

right it was ceph who was the mod for homestuck you were with me in Mastins game and you were scum in that game

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Wow Nacho after all we have been through I am hurt to the bone, but since you are not bussing a scum budz, you go in my town pile.


@Vifam I did post something on the wagon, on Exp and I explained why I don't just unvote generally until I have had a chance to peg people, oddly enough one of the people who broke me of that habit is Nacho, another one was Thor, in newbie games.

I am doing my best here to try to sort folks out here this game is moving fast though and I am still sick which sucks because I am so far behind on work stuffs

Adding vifam to the town pile though

[RachMarie]

Meh its truth I tend to develop reads by a combination of meta, postings in the current game, PoE especially early on. I am a big picture person.

So far I have

Nero, KTS, Vifam, Nacho, Spy, in my town pile.

PEDIT that was on a different site though with insanely fast day and night phases Nacho. So what is your case on me Nacho?

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I was not in that game Nacho I generally do more of my meta based on games I am actually in, you know that.

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well there are other factors I look at some of it is gut, some of it is small tells, like you trying to build a coalition of town people when you are town,

I feel you are town this game. I know I could be wrong, I was wrong in the last game we were in.

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I was asking if there was a reason for the vote to get a read on spy not scared of him

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I really need to look at some ISOs already that froo froo tween titus/yume and house pretty much makes it hard to read anyones posts other than theirs.

After I do that, I will be moving my vote because I am not feeling like Exp is scum.

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@Vifam since you missed this first time around

I really need to look at some ISOs already that froo froo tween titus/yume and house pretty much makes it hard to read anyones posts other than theirs.

After I do that, I will be moving my vote because I am not feeling like Exp is scum.

[RachMarie]

Why are we giving a pass to MoZ

I just read his ISO

VOTE: MoZ

[RachMarie]

It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

It is a tentative read so far but feel like Rach could be scum she isn't invested enough to make real reads and just drops off a lazy kts town read and that means she isn't genuinely trying to sort shit out.

VOTE: rachmarie

adding smith to my scum pile as well this pinged my scumdar this vote on me sucks, plus like MoZ she keeps flipping her vote around.

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@ Nacho

1. The way they are moving their vote around looks like they are looking for a good wagon, not looking for scumz

2. The freaky color vote thing looked like they were trying to appear to be town and trolling, it did not feel genuine the way Nero's trolling does,

3. The way they threw shade on KTS but did not vote for him seems scummy AF

[RachMarie]

This is why I like doing ISOs it can make it easier to catch things lost in the noise of froofroos

[RachMarie]

So updated reads are

Nacho, Spy, Vifam, Nero, KTS town

Grapes claimed Miller

Weaker town reads on Exp, rb, the replacment for titus/yume, and drixx,

Scum reads on
MoZ and smith

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The rest I still have to look at ISOs or are null for either no posts or very very few.

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DS I need to look at your ISO still

Working through the list.

[RachMarie]

ROFL no I was under the influence of wine.

As for the poem I posted it in my GTKAS thread and the link is in my signature.

[RachMarie]

clear house I misread that as clean house but then I was pretty tired.

Adding DS to my town pile after reading his ISO

Feel good about kraska too.

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@ Dave

Why do you still have a vote on Grapes after the Miller claim? He claimed right away and he was not CCed by anyone, plus in general millers are left to vigs to sort out


@ everyone
Speaking of vigs could people stop with the fake claiming dayvig or night vig it is getting rather old now. And could cause issues later if the real vig, if there is one and in a game this size I would expect there to be one, needs to claim.

Can we please focus on scum hunting and cut the noise down please and ty.

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Math

Join us on the MoZ wagon.

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Not naked just where there is scumz

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You are right was reading the wrong VC uggh




PEDIT @ Math maybe, but mainly I think MoZ is scumz

[RachMarie]

Err Vedith uggh I need caffeine going to go make a pot of coffee and come back

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I was being flippant with the word hate, I was trying to figure out Spy's motives for voting Nacho and pushing on that read, did not feel like a simple RVS vote.

I don't think Spy actually hates Nacho, how can anyone hate Nacho?

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Oh well no I was actually pushing for a response from Spy

meh I guess my wording choice was poor.

[RachMarie]

Not positive, but I think I was in a newbie game with skrub? I can double check.

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Yup replaced in though, so that does not rule out alt but I feel like he is a genuine newbie.

Newbie 1712

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66650

[RachMarie]

oh ok

lol I really thought you were a newbie

[RachMarie]

Math does not belong in mafia games logic and psychology do

[RachMarie]

My experience with math is they have been town in every game, but the Mastin one where they were my character's and Exp's character's arch enemy, but even there they towned up enough it was a shot at night that did them in.

So unless I see something that is really scummy, I am putting them in the leaning town for now. The playstyle is consistent with how math plays, so I really don't have a good handle on how to differentiate their town game from their scum game.

Plus they replaced in for the titus/yume slot and I was already thinking that was prob town.

Sigh too many lurkers in this game.

Generally millers are vig shots in my experience so yeah not looking to lynch grapes at this time, especially since there is a chance he will be replaced.

Why are there not more votes on MoZ?

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Hey guys and gals I am here catching up on writing for clients though, and I am happy about that because it means the bills will be paid. I genuinely thought master was scum.

Still have a strong town read on Spy, and Nacho so not sure why some people are scum reading them? Will be looking at some ISOs to get a better handle on this game and peg more folk.

As my character would say,

The road to victory seems an ever long and winding one.

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uggh I typed the wrong name

I meant Maker

[RachMarie]

You should have figured that out anyways from the fact I have not used at all the hydra name but said Nacho all this time, since Nacho did indicate it would be mostly him because his other head is not available.

[RachMarie]

Guys and gals I am swamped with writing work I have get done by deadlines, I will post some tomorrow in this game and try to catch up a bit.

Good news is the work means I can pay my bills I owe this week

[RachMarie]

Sorry I have bronchitis on antibiotics, I will post more tonight I have to go to the doctors in about an hour.

[RachMarie]

Ok all trying to catch up a bit here feeling slightly better from the bronchitis thanks to the miracle of modern science (antibiotics).

First of all how many of you have played in a large number of games with Nacho (I am focusing on Nacho since hardly anything from the TAM hydra is from the other head, it is almost all pure Nacho). I have, and in fact, he was one of my first ICs as a newbie. I have seen him be lurky both as scum and as town, it is based on what is going on in his RL. So yeah those who are saying he only lurks when he is scum, need to read a few more of his games. Just recently was in a newbie game with him when he was pretty lurky early on, then later was more active in the game and helped us to win that game.

So yeah I am not 100% of course because he has not either flipped, or been copped as an innocent, or in some other way been proven he is town, but I feel good about him so far, Give me a couple more days and I should be able to get even more solid on his alignment.

Meanwhile, seriously I have played with nos, and this game totally reminds me of the Mastin game when she was lurking like crazy. I feel better about her being scum than either skrub or TAM.

Skrub is a weaker town read than TAM (mainly on Nacho as I said).

Spy is an even stronger town read for me than Nacho is.

I think we should listen to them about Nos.

VOTE: Nos

I am also not sold on Mirhawk being town, but meh we can deal with the hood later.

This is getting long so posting another post for catch up

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OK next catch up post.

Nero, don't bury me yet I am not dead yet :p I did post in thread, to the prod, did you miss the get well soon comments? I have been dealing with bronchitis with NO COUGH SYRUP and been under the covers a lot not at my computer so yeah I am on V/LA.

That being said, I think Nero is probably town. He can be royally stubborn as town and also tend to be a tad trolly about things.

KTS seems to be much more involved, so he goes in my town pile as well.

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Still more people to sort out but yeah not replacing out, just because I got so sick and am so behind on my client work. I joined this game because the mod asked me to, and I was loving the player list here ♥

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uhh???

Is there a reason for that post PK? I am not sure what remote chance it has to do with the game we are playing here?

And no I am not going to read through it completely, I have enough reading here to catch up on in this game, and other threads on site.

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we can deal with rat tomorrow one lynch at a time.

And this will be my last post tonight. I still am a bit shaky so I am going to get under the covers with my wine since I have NO COUGH SYRUP uggh, and read a cozy mystery for a bit, and get some sleep. I give it no more than 5 minutes or so before one or the other of my cats crawls on my lap and starts kneading the he double hockey stick out of my legs though

But anyways I will be posting more content as we go on. Just really have been super sick


meanwhile more votes on Nos please. As for those who keep pushing TAM, seriously I thought Maker was scum and so did a lot of other people. And Spy has a good point, if you are all over TAM about pushing on that lynch then do you really thinks Spy is his scum budz? Cause I remember Spy doing a whole heck of a lot of pushing on that lynch as well. Or is it more likely they are both town and thought dude was scummy AF?


PEDIT TAM is voting Nos

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Yeah I remember that game Math you were scum reading me for the longest time even though I was a f***ing double confirmed Mason with Amal and Kling, and yeah your reads, especially early on tend to suck and you like your sibling tend to tunnel pretty heavily. That being said, you are probably town not scum, but still I don't put a lot of faith in your reads right now, I think I have a bit more faith in Spy, Nacho, and smith at this point.

I have seen your scum game, but to be honest only the once, the rest of the times you have been town and still really off kilter with reads and so on. I was actually surprised when you turned out to be my arch nemisis and torturer of my gf in Mastin's game.

You are not supporting either Nacho's lynch or Skrubs, for that matter, you are like uber death tunneling kraska.

And your scum list makes no sense whatsoever, especially with your tunnel you have been doing on Kraska?

Remember too that Nos was scum of a different kind, in the Mastin game and her play here is very similar to that in Mastin's game when she was the cult leader and basically recruited our great modly one.

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I feel good about panzer being probably town as well.

Even if i disagree with some of his reads, his reasoning seems to be coming from a townie PoV.

Granted this is based on only playing one game with him. So I don't know for sure if he would be this ballsy as scum. The way he has pushed on some of the players is rather ballsy for a scum player to do especially anyone who has played a fair bit with Nacho, or Spy. I think most scum would be more trying to appease them, especially after watching the D 1 lynch go through.


I need to read Cakez ISO because I am not sure on him the tunnel on Nacho is rather ballsy, but on the other hand, Cakez scum might be ballsy enough to tunnel on Nacho. So I want to really look at him closer and get him pegged.

Difference tween these two is Panzer has pushed on more than one of the major players in the game so far, while Cakez has mostly pushed on Nacho. Also Panzer seems to have more content about more players in general. Such as the analysis of the neighborhood which led to the wagon on kraska. And brought Mirhawk to attention.

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While you are here Pere, can you give some other reads? Before you disappear into lurker land again.

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I am asking Nacho.

I need more reads from you. I know the level of activity from you is NAI, because I have been in many games with you.

GL on that Spy Like I said in Wakes game, Math tunneled on me something fierce for a long time, even after Titus and a few others said she is a Mason.

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Give me some town reads and some scum reads I am trying to catch up and there are so many genuine lurkers here and some people I have never played with before. I know you are a good scum hunter, far better than I am, especially early on.

Also with this many players how likely do you think it is to be multiball with two maf factions vrs a large scum team? Do you think there is a chance for a SK as well? So far in most of my large games with over 20 players, they have been two maf teams and a SK. Homestuck was the one exception recently they did not have MB or a SK after all. But it had some other really bizarre mechanics.


So far I have a couple scum reads and a few town reads but not enough of either.

[RachMarie]

uggh why do I feel like this game is mainly tunnelers and lurkers

I am going to work on reading up some ISOs later tonight but I have to get some work done first.

[RachMarie]

How I am different is simply I was more active from day 1 in Wakes game than I have been here due to RL circumstances. Not to mention the fact I was a confirmed townie and granted I screwed up in the end because I was then getting sick and Narna did that joke of being the Sk and I made the stupid move of a sudden vote in a MYLO/LYLO situation.

So yeah not my finest moment. I should have stuck with my gut read from the past several days. On the other hand, to be fair, Elyse did a very fine job of being the SK in that game.

My point is you tend to tunnel and miss seeing the forest for the trees, both you and Titus do this on a regular basis. And you do pull some weird stunts. That is NAI for you though, and probably why I missed that you were scum in Mastin's game. I mentioned that one too, but you kind of neglected that one. I really was town reading you until you flipped, and in that game I was specifically looking for your character since he was so prominently mentioned in my role PM and in the flavor that Mastin kept giving me all game long.

As for saying I revived the Nos wagon? I am just coming back into this game now after several days of not being able to focus on it, or much of anything, and I voted for someone i saw as scummy. How is that reviving a wagon? I did not revive it nor did I start the wagon. Look where my vote is look at some of the other votes.

So you are drawing a line in the sand saying only those 5 will you join a wagon on. Even if it means a NL early on and that is definitely bad juju.

We need these early lynches, especially in a game with this many players. Or is that why you are scum reading Spy? Who is my top town read.

Oh as for why I had not been majorly interacting with him? I was in bed sick so yeah try again Math.

[RachMarie]

How do you come up with that number Nero?

Still waiting on a response from Nacho on my other questions. He is a lot better at math than I am and I am trying to figure out how many scum we are likely to have in this game, it helps me sort out reads. Also if this game is multiball or not, helps me sort things out. And by that I mean two mafia teams instead of one, Nero I know you think an SK is enough to make it multiball instead of a single maf team and a 3rd party.

Spy feel free to add in here as well, you are my top town read, and I know you have played in a ton more games than I have. And most likely are also better at math than I am. I suck at statistics ended up dropping out of the class 3 times.

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Thank you to those who answered. It does help me sort things out.

Math I already stated that I am town reading you. Just because I disagree with things you do in games, does not mean I am saying you are scummy, I am letting other players know you play this way and still can be town. Just because you missed my reads does not mean I have not posted reads.

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Nosferatu (9): mhsmith0 , The Ascended Masters , SpyreX , RachMarie , Vaxkiller , Cerberus v666 , Aristophanes , Expedience , PeregrineV

smith started the wagon.

Nacho joined it and I thought I should pay attention since I know Nacho has a habit of being a good scum hunter when town and he often buses when he is scum. Plus with the possibility of it being mb, that means he could be scum for one team and the other team be who he is scum hunting for, so regardless of how anyone is reading Nacho, it pays to pay attention to where Nacho is voting.

Spy joins in and he is my top scum read

I look at Nos's iso and see something that reminds me a lot of Mastin's game where Nos was the Cult Leader.

I vote Nos.

How is that a reviving of the wagon on Nos?

[RachMarie]

EBYOP

TOWN read

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Yes everyone is just jumping at the chance to sheep me

[RachMarie]

Was Vifam killed by a gun? I thought he was killed by a double whammy thingy which confused some folks into thinking it was a double kill?

Which is why I kinda believe Kraska's claim Why would he admit it is a 2 shot thingy if he was using it as scum to avoid being investigated? Wouldn't a scum fake claiming PGO actually go for an unlimited PGO?

Also as far as fake claiming PGO, IIRC in Mastin's game A50 fake claimed PGO and turned out to be town and helped us win the game in the end, though some of his early reads were really kinda funky.

Why are you SO SURE that Kraska's claim as PGO is bogus? And since you are so sure that those 5 on your list are scum do you see them as a team or on two different teams? Give me a logical reason for your tunneling not just those 5 are scum and I am not budging from that. We need town to work together to find the scum amongst us Math.

[RachMarie]

Point is vifam was not killed by a gun. If the mafia killed him wouldn't he have been shot?

[RachMarie]

Thank Cerb that is what I was about to say

sigh I think you are town Math, but you are keeping us in a turmoil here while we try to sort out the scumz.

try looking beyond just your tunnels.

[RachMarie]

right but how about the point that she did NOT claim PGO she claimed 2 shot PGO, why would she add that it was an x shot one if she was fake claiming it?

Meaning of course after one more of the double whammy thingy she would no longer be PGO.

And if that is not a special flavor kill instead of of maf kill then that seems a bizarre twist. The reason a GS sees all maf players no matter what their role is as with a gun, is because they usually shoot to kill.

Also keep in mind there were multiple deaths. This is why I want to find out if it is mb or not, because it helps in sorting out the deaths if you know if it is one large team or two smaller teams.

Logic is the key to solving mafia games.

[RachMarie]

What if I find a game with a 1 shot PGO that was town, would that convince you it is a possibility?

[RachMarie]

Dont you know Spy, you and I are evil scum budz together after all Math hath declared it, so it must be so

[RachMarie]

ah finally someone asks the RIGHT question


Kraska could you please explain not only the details of your claim more fully ie does your PGOness do that double whammy kill thingy that happened to Vifam?

And did you claim your character too? If not could you please do that?

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Thanks please DS because I understand the frustration, but remember attack the play style not the player.

I think you are town though so chalking another one to my town pile.

[RachMarie]

There is a neighborhood that Vifam was in and the others in the hood confirmed he was talking in there about using his GS power on Kraska. The theory was that Kraska was scum budz with one of the others in the hood, (maybe Mirhawk), and that person passed on to Kraska that she was the target and so then the mafia team (or one of the teams if there are 2), killed Vifam for it.

That is where the wagon on Kraska came from, and then Kraska claimed 2 shot PGO.

[RachMarie]

meh I think KTS is town. He often plays a tad unusually, and I know tended to scum read him a lot at first.

I did in a recent game even because he was really lethargic in that game, and not quite so out there, and I was wrong then. So I am willing to put him in the town pile at this point.

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Cerb it was a joke because Math is so determined that Spy and I are scum budz, so we ran with it.

Sarcasm is sometimes hard to tell with just type.

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@ KTS
Which assumption? the one of Math insisting her 5 have to be scum budz and that Math is refusing to budge from those 5? that is not an assumption, that is what they keep saying.

Hence why Spy and I were being sarcastic about a PT together. Which I guess you took literally and are scum reading me for it.

I think Math is town, I think Math is heading down a wrong path that is causing a lot of turmoil that is preventing town from coming together and working together. I am trying to help them see that.

I also have listed other town reads including Spy as my top town read, I have listed you as a town read, I think Nos is being scummy. I think Mirhawk is scummy, I want to fully peg Nacho which is why I was asking him questions.

@ Math his reads are not exactly yours he has Spy as town for example. Forest for the trees.

[RachMarie]

My role in Mastin's game was most definitely anything BUT normal and you were in that game, Math. I was a 3rd party with a 1 shot recruitment allied with town and Exp also was 3rd party allied with town. We were suppose to be kind of a lighter version of an Innocent Child role in that game. That definitely was not anything you would find in the Wiki. That was why Wake and I claimed Masons after I recruited him. Because it made it believable until we had enough data for the town to realize that not all the undead and so on were with the mafia teams.

In Wakes game we had 3 Masons the role was the same, but usually it is 2 instead of 3. You had macho with no real other role to speak of instead of macho cop which according to the wiki is the usual role that macho is modifying. We had citizens instead of vanila townies and some other strange dynamics, and that in spite of it originally being set up as a normal game.

Expand your horizons a tad.

We need 15 votes to get a lynch today. Your tunneling could cost us a lynch.

NL this early in the game is bad juju.

[RachMarie]

I give up, I will work on other town reads, and see if we can come up with a consensus and get a lynch before deadline.

I have wasted too much time and energy on this, instead of reading through the ISOs like I had planned.

[RachMarie]

Umm Math I did not ask that question. I have been asleep and just got up?

[RachMarie]

Do you have anything else on Nacho besides his level of activity, Panzer? Same with you Cakez?

@ Spy yeah it is a hydra, but like 99% of the posts is Nacho I think there were maybe one or two posts from the other head in total.

@ Nacho I still want an answer to my other questions from you.

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@ Pere
So you along with a couple others think this is most likely two mafia teams? There were 3 kills with some people thinking it is 4 because the Vifam kill was a double whammy weird one.

Yeah I am kinda leaning that way on Kraska too, not sure why some are still pushing that wagon. I have seen games with a one shot PGO, so it is not as crazy a claim as some think it is. I would expect with a 32 player base game, and a theme game, that there be some weird mechanics going on. I have not completely ruled out role madness either. There were two VTs so far, but with such a large player base, more than one VT would make sense for role madness. We had more than one for sure in Wakes game.

Any other reads, or bits of wisdom, while you are here?

[RachMarie]

Give me some town reads and some scum reads I am trying to catch up and there are so many genuine lurkers here and some people I have never played with before. I know you are a good scum hunter, far better than I am, especially early on.

Also with this many players how likely do you think it is to be multiball with two maf factions vrs a large scum team? Do you think there is a chance for a SK as well? So far in most of my large games with over 20 players, they have been two maf teams and a SK. Homestuck was the one exception recently they did not have MB or a SK after all. But it had some other really bizarre mechanics.

So far I have a couple scum reads and a few town reads but not enough of either.

The bolded part Nacho.

[RachMarie]

This is why you should post more Pere, you have a way of cutting the wheat from the chaff, plus it helps me to sort you out better when I have more of you.

Ok Pere goes in my town pile.

[RachMarie]

I am glad you are ok, but that sucks about your phone

[RachMarie]

Math is Math, but is probably town.

Ari any other reads? Ideas on the game mechanics?

[RachMarie]

This is fairly typical KTS play, and he has flipped town so far in every game I have played with him. Hence my town read on him. He even got in trouble in one game we were in, because he forgot he was the doc in that game.

[RachMarie]

Basically KTS is KTS, and Math is Math.

If someone actually has something that helps differentiate their town game from their scum game, I am all ears, but basic playstyle for them is pretty NAI from what I have seen.

[RachMarie]

@ ari

game mechanics as in do you think it is mb, or do you think we are dealing with a large mafia team and maybe something like a SK?


@ kling
umm what would a 6-1-1 be? Two SKs? or another 3rd party that has a killing role?

[RachMarie]

here you go, kling
Math
Panzer
dave
mirhawk
and Vifam was in it too.

Since at this point the hood is not a secret, it's math, me, davesaz, mirhawk, and the recently deceased vifam. None of us are alignment confirmed.

[RachMarie]

Nero when I said stop doing the fake dayvig I did not mean go and start fake claiming something else.

however, I will say that a trolly stubborn Nero is usually a town Nero.

[RachMarie]

who are you talking to DS?

Keep in mind, some of us are not that familiar with the theme the game is based on.

[RachMarie]

ah ok that helps. thanks ds

I did look at a site with some info about it, but it was pretty minimal and I think more for someone who actually had watched the show on a regular basis.

[RachMarie]

I am not impressed with that vote either, Var can do better than that.

[RachMarie]

that is a possibility too, KTS. I mean the things that are pinging my scumdar are like her play in Mastin's game and she was 3rd party there. But then like an insane number of us were 3rd party in that game. It was mind boggling.

She though was more of a true 3rd party, since she was the cult leader in that one. While I was a 3rd party allied with town and my only real way to win was with town and then convince them at the end to vote for the treaty.,

[RachMarie]

I am talking about the way he voted, not just the vote.

Hey look at me I am putting a vote down see how towny I can be weee.

And then no content of any kind.

[RachMarie]

yeah nos is whom I meant.

she was the cult leader in Mastin's game.

[RachMarie]

I may be wrong, but I think she is a she or was listed as she at one time.

[RachMarie]

most people do that, I even have been called a he a few times, and not only is my gender indicated, but my user name is clearly feminine. I have never met a male Rachael, or even the more commonly known name Rachel.

[RachMarie]

unless someone else voted after var, there is still 4 more votes to go to hammer Nos, and I am not sure how many to hammer Nacho and none of the other wagons are anywhere near a lynch.

Uh yeah I believe we have like 2 or 3 days still so no reason to not follow procedure and give intent to hammer after someone is at L-1.

[RachMarie]

huh? my point is we should follow procedure and give intent to claim because we have the time to do so. Only time when you can't give that time is if you are so close to deadline you risk a NL?

Are you trying for a derp hammer Ari?

[RachMarie]

seriously guys you are weird seeing hammering as scummy

[RachMarie]

It is clear most of you have not played with me often enough or you would know I always prefer a lynch over a NL early on and see it as bad juju.

That I am not fond of people derp hammering without giving intent.

That I have even been known to give intent as early as 2 or 3 days before DL,

That I like holding the hammer.

That has been true since my first game on site when I hammered the IC Ray on D1.

[RachMarie]

@ Math that was to Ari and smith who then jumped on my statement like this is a scum slip, which made no sense to me. It was not logical.

I have never heard of anyone saying that you should declare intent to hammer as scummy before?

[RachMarie]

No you misunderstood, I meant we still had 2 to 3 days so we can still push for an intent to hammer

not just quick hammer without intent.

[RachMarie]

Sigh

Ok if you all really are going to push this and we do need 15 for a lynch and we have 2 days. I am not like 100% sold on Nacho being town, though I think he could very well be. But definitely nos should be vigged,

Her play is awful and scummy as all get out.

If even Spy is thinking of TAM, I guess the writing is on the wall.

VOTE: TAM

Sorry Nacho, I keep thinking about the last game we were in, you really fooled me there I was so sure you were town. And then you flip the Borg Queen. meh.

[RachMarie]

Cerb there is so much bickering and so many people are wanting TAM over nos that I am afraid that we are going to end up with bad juju

A NL this early in a game this large is very bad for town. People seem to want to have her vigged not lynched.

I have to get some RL work stuffs done, but I will be back later.

[RachMarie]

I want to apologize to Spy and Nacho in particular because yes I was manipulating and playing you two.

My scum team was all pretty bummed out ending up as scum particularly ABR, myself, and DGB (later replaced by Vax) My first job was actually to be a cheerleader and put some spirit into my team. Not because I like being scum, but because I feel the best way to make the game the very best it can be is to really play your role even if it is a scum role. That a hard won game as a townie against good scum players is far more enjoyable than when scum don't play well and of course vice versa.

Then of course I managed to get the heart back in my team and ABR kind of took over the leadership role and changed the game plan. For the first time EVER I actually was busing a team member. I wanted to keep Nacho around longer because I know he tends to town read me and of course 95% of the time he is correct. I still always squirm a bit when he is wrong and I am actually scum though. And he does the same with me when I town read him and he is scum lol.

The reason I am bringing this up is to explain why the sudden change in direction and the WTF factor some of you might have felt. I am usually smoother than that when I move from one player to another LOL. TBQH I am actually better at playing scum than I am at being town, and most people scum read me when I am town for it. I am working with different players in hydrae to address my weak areas, including one planned with Nacho in the future.

Spy I really hope to play in another game with you dude, you are a great player and a really cool guy

[RachMarie]

Sorry about that Nacho, I actually wanted to lynch others, and keep you around ABR was the one who wanted you gone

[RachMarie]

well considering ABR wanted all 4 of us on Nacho and make him the lynch that is not surprising that so many scum were on him at that time

[RachMarie]

aww hugs Spy

hopefully next game you and me will both be town, I do have a much higher track record of rolling town than scumz

[RachMarie]

The disabled chick can take responsibility for rb dying

Well actually it was DGB who shot him but I planned that lol

[RachMarie]

We felt you were a fairly strong town read that was less likely to be doc protected or watched like Spy or Nacho would be.

[RachMarie]

Cerb I just wanted you dead because I thought you were a PR based on the crumbing you were doing in your posts

[RachMarie]

I think i need to listen to my gut more, I had gut read on PK which he picked up on lol

I had not gotten that far, but I had planned on pushing for panzer death had he not gone and done what he did in the game

I also wanted to keep Math around a bit longer for the noise Love ya Math ♥

Skrub I do know your main then that was something that was bugging me.

[RachMarie]

but but but I was sweet and lovable scum

[RachMarie]

LOL tracking would have done nothing I was not doing the kill

[RachMarie]

uggh sigh in about a month you say?

I will see where I am biz wise then when it hits the queue. Im trying to limit my games right now. till I get caught up biz wise, i really need to start pushing my income goals so I can move to NY next year.

[RachMarie]

ohh ok well 2 or 3 days no I cant I am way too behind on work, and it is a shame I like role madness and bastard games

[RachMarie]

pre-in

[RachMarie]

Happy Scum day Pere ♥