The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Maker_of_Zanos]

/confirm

Let's get the RVS train going:

VOTE: Camelot

[Maker_of_Zanos]

How are you voting guys O.O

Its not yet day 1 - I really won't count these!

But... RVS! Reference purposes! Come on, there aren't too many of them!
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: Varsoon and Shiro

Is not having a name a tactic to stop people voting for you ? It didn't work

~BTD6

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I live in the GMT timezone so I slept through the start of Day 1. When I woke up there were pages upon pages so I am skimming for now.

I've noticed that RB somehow initially forgot to check his Role PM. I have actually seen something similar before, with Vedith. The trouble with that was he forgot his alignment during Days 4 and 5. I was "confTown" and coasted for an easy win. (This was Mini Theme 1810 and there were 2 opposing Town factions).
I'd just like to remind everyone to read their Role PM this time to avoid throwing the game.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I am Nacho. I will probably be posting a majority of the time until my hydra partner's schedule clears up. My schedule is not particularly clear, but this will not be a problem as far as content and as far as reads produced go.

This is a game where there are 32 people playing. For the early stages, I don't give a fuck if you are awkward scum and awkward town; if you hide, if you are not aggressive, if you make bullshit pushes, I will push you until you die. If, for some obnoxious reason, my chosen wagon is not the wagon in the lead and that wagon is not utterly atrocious, I will push the shit out of the wagon until you die or you town hard enough for people to get off of you. If there is ever a wagon at L-1 that I am not very, very strongly townreading, I'm hammering. If you are a power role and you find yourself nearing death, be very very aware of where my vote is because I'm not claiming intent and I'm not listening to any players who are screaming "DON'T QUICKHAMMER YET" in the background.

Well, well, its Nacho.

I would wait for a claim, but ok; that means people claim at L-2 now; I thank you for your transparency.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

yea man, no need to go hardcore. If you want an excuse to IRA people just say it

What does IRA stand for?

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Nacho you need to look at some kittens

Nacho you need to look at some kittens

Every time I'm thinking about posting in this game I burn an offering to the Gods of Death. I suggest you stop shitposting and start townposting as quickly as possible.

Everytime you wallpost, a kitten dies!

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: [hydra of shiro and varsoon]

dumb name u 2

VOTE: Shiro & Varsoon

[Maker_of_Zanos]

also willing to policy lynch/vig

1. randomidget
2. Sekirei [Hydra of Yume and Titus]
5. ? [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
9. DiamondSentinel
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
16. Expedience
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
21. Skrub
24. davesaz
25. pisskop
28. Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
29. Nosferatu
30. Killthestory

Ooh, good, we're not on the PL list!

[Maker_of_Zanos]

smith 1, frozen 0

VOTE: Mhsmith0

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

I think this is kinda a coachy type post. Its like "STOP DON'T DO THAT!" and I could see that coming from scum

rb doesn't strike me as a stupid person, so I was curious why he would do something like that.

defending the fuck out of you here.

VOTE: mhgsmith
That gif was fucking awful

Does it make him scum?

scum that knows MS is town.

I mean, I guess its somewhat possible that Spyrex is his buddy but I think Exp makes more sense.

VOTE: Nero

~The windrous creator if Zanos

VOTE: [hydra of shiro and varsoon]

dumb name u 2

VOTE: Shiro & Varsoon

smith 1, frozen 0

VOTE: Mhsmith0

~Zanos

What are these supposed to mean

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Everything below the sig wasn't supposed to be there.....

[Maker_of_Zanos]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I live in the GMT timezone so I slept through the start of Day 1. When I woke up there were pages upon pages so I am skimming for now.

I've noticed that RB somehow initially forgot to check his Role PM. I have actually seen something similar before, with Vedith. The trouble with that was he forgot his alignment during Days 4 and 5. I was "confTown" and coasted for an easy win. (This was Mini Theme 1810 and there were 2 opposing Town factions).
I'd just like to remind everyone to read their Role PM this time to avoid throwing the game.

~Maker

No followup

Is this Ircher or otherguy?

VOTE: Panzerjager

We're both lynchbait; deal w/ it.

That said, why are you so curious as to who you are speaking to?
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: [hydra of shiro and varsoon]

dumb name u 2

VOTE: Shiro & Varsoon

smith 1, frozen 0

VOTE: Mhsmith0

~Zanos

What are these supposed to mean

Nothing -- RVS since the mod was a killjoy pre-game!
~The wondrous creator of Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

[Maker_of_Zanos]

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

25% Win Rate as Town. Maybe I'm better off !

.........

[Maker_of_Zanos]

HURT: Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
HURT WITH A BLADE: Sekiri
HEAL: KTS

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Vifam you should join my killer strat for a while and just feed your vote to nacho lets make at least a septvoter for a few days.

This multiball talk is such boners. Id eat a hat if we're looking at a single unified scumteam in this size of a setup.

I was going to vote for a shitposter but i dont have 5 or 6 votes.

Which Hydra is Nacho in

Ascended Masters.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Vifam feels scummy imo, but cant tell quite yet.

~The wondrous creator of Zanos aka Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Vifam feels scummy imo, but cant tell quite yet.

~The wondrous creator of Zanos aka Zanos

whats a "zanos"? googled it and got "italian pizza kitchen"

Something I made up:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67186

[Maker_of_Zanos]

29 pages already? This is extreme. After skimming, I saw that the majority of the posts were for all intents and purposes spam. I suppose I will have to resort to ISO diving now in order to read players. I know this is a huge game but we do not need spam and insults. I'll try to read Expedience first as Ircher placed a vote there.

~Maker, the leader of Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

HURT: Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
HURT WITH A BLADE: Sekiri
HEAL: KTS

Why would you hurt the great and lovable Peridot?

- Peridot

Cuz Moonlogic is moonlogic.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Why would something be bad just because I say it? That's mean.

Answer for your crimes.

~Jasper

No offense, but the point of this is ____?

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

yea man, no need to go hardcore. If you want an excuse to IRA people just say it

What does IRA stand for?

~Zanos

An old player from the site.

Basically known for being grating on purpose and quickhammering without calling intent.

So do you have reads or thoughts other than ones about kittens and wallposts?

Probably not tbh; this thread's a mess

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I think he is talking about the battle tween the House head of Norv and the Titus head of Seki

Which to me feels very TvT and also not helping us really with sorting out scum. Titus tends to death tunnel a lot in games.

True, but I find the context to make it feel more neutral imo.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

@Norvi Yes, you did. I know all your secrets. I know everything. My moon logic never fails. And what you're doing is deflecting.

~Peridot

Really leaning more towards scum theater than TvT.... Gotta think about it.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

jesus christ calm down on the postings.

youre all posting a bunch of attacks and shit but no ones actually doing anything, so like, shut up. please.

This totally not troll KTS we're seeing here. He's actually being useful for once, but I fear that is because he is scum.....

~Zanos ~Zanos ~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

@Norvi Yes, you did. I know all your secrets. I know everything. My moon logic never fails. And what you're doing is deflecting.

~Peridot

Saying that I think somebody should shut up now is not an attack.

If you think it is, feel free to report it and let the list mod decide, but instigating a fight over this bullshit won't end well for you.

Did I say personal attack?

Haha. P.S. You've been fighting with Yume and ignoring Titus.

~The Real Peridot

And you're jeopardizing any friendship we had outside this game.

Fuck you and fuck off.

Now this is an insult or I am a leprechaun.

~The really real Peridot

I feel the last quote is from ~Jasper.....

[Maker_of_Zanos]

hey nero since this is multiball are u sure ur not scum either tbh?

Multiball you say? Size of game suggests it's a possibility but you seem pretty confident.

Anyone who claims that they are obvtown but doesn't even try to prove it should be shot and killed immediately in my book.

It's kts though. He did the same dumb shit in open 646. Null on him.

Listen, I do weird shit every game, but when I say I'm obvtown, I PROVE IT BY GOLLY

You're not KTS; you aren't RC. Play the gane like it supposed to be played.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Like dude that logic can be applied to nearly any reaction scum or town have to anything

Not really.

@Killthestory - What I meant was the role modifier suicidal.

Thats quite the leap of faith, and while are you phishing KTS?
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

lol that's hilarious.

@diamond: were not policying d1 for being a player you don't like. Make a scum case on her if you want her gone.

Policying someone for specific behavior (especially if meaningfully wolf indicative) is acceptable. Policying because you don't like them isn't. Diamonds comment might be the latter.

Im not a fan of pretending to be one's hydra partner on purpose but its whatever im not gonna press it
Lets just lynch scum Skrub, thatd be a productive thing to do today
Look at that reaction to the wagon

pedit: Because it results in the above ^^^^ Sorry Frozen, I'm sure this will settle down in a lil bit

All 3 of these posts REALLY look like scum defending scumbuddies.

But again, thi sis less than 2 days in.

Are you freaking serious? That's theory-related & pretty sound theory and you take it as a scum defense?!

That's it, you're clutching at straws; my patience has worn thin:
VOTE: Diamond

Pedit: Not really.... Why do you ask? Maybe the fishing part was exaggerated but assuming a suicidal modifier was a pretty big leap of faith.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Not nothing.

Thank you for showing up, albeit extremely late.

Varsoon hydrae are great.
Shino hydrae are exceptionally great.

I can't wait for this one.

PEdit: Now you're implying I'm setting up a strongman on you. Well, first off, you haven't made a single post that wasn't a shitpost or extremely defensive. Furthermore, you are now trying to slander me, when my comment was very clearly about the suicidal role modifier in this game that causes the player to be removed from the game upon reaching a certain condition. If this continues, you might just find yourself in the deadthread prematurely.

That reference was not at all obvious.

So many pedits....

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I could policy lynch this just because reading his posts is so painful

Which this are you referring to?

Also, what's the hot new wagon I can throw my vote onto to keep us ever flowing towards a lynch before the page count gets out of hand?

Diamond would be a great option in my opinion.... Not sure about my other head....
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Can we talk about this?

What about it?
In hindsight, it was an overstatement, but just the format of it looked like Expediance was making a ton of reads from thin air.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

It is a tentative read so far but feel like Rach could be scum she isn't invested enough to make real reads and just drops off a lazy kts town read and that means she isn't genuinely trying to sort shit out.

VOTE: rachmarie

adding smith to my scum pile as well this pinged my scumdar this vote on me sucks, plus like MoZ she keeps flipping her vote around.

Freaking....

I

always

move my vote around; you can see that in one of the first games I played here; I move when I feel the need to! Lousy reasoning is what this is.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Maker, why did you vote DS when I'm the largest wagon?

Do you still think I'm scum?

Less so; I feel there is more evidence against Diamond than I ever had against you.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Pedit: Not really.... Why do you ask? Maybe the fishing part was exaggerated but assuming a suicidal modifier was a pretty big leap of faith.

I asked because I was having difficulty believing that anyone thought DS was fishing by the "suicidal modifier" comment.
It was a big "leap of faith" I guess if he actually believes that KTS has the suicidal modifier. I don't actually think this is the case. Why do you?

My main question is -- Why did he make the assumption in the first place? Where did the notion of a suicidal modifier come from.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Ok, so flashwagon on this slot -- Why?
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I feel like this game is one step forward and then two steps back to drink the bong water.

Lets.get more maker votes up in or reasons why not. Join the crusade

Pedit we went through this once if this one is serious i swear to christ

I'm gonna ask again -- Why?

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Like dude that logic can be applied to nearly any reaction scum or town have to anything

Not really.

@Killthestory - What I meant was the role modifier suicidal.

Thats quite the leap of faith, and while are you phishing KTS?
~Zanos

It was a joke. I was saying something about "something something later" and he said "it's not later for me", so I made the joke that he knew he was going to die by Day X

I really don't see it as a joke. Suicidal play, perhaps, but suicidal modifier just seems to be from thin air & doesnt feel at all like a joke imho.
I guess this is the best I'll get though, so........
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

KTS can be town for now. Rach and Diamond are scum. Ascended is town though wrong on this slot.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Maker, why did you vote DS when I'm the largest wagon?

Do you still think I'm scum?

Less so; I feel there is more evidence against Diamond than I ever had against you.

Please. Do give ANY evidence.

Oh, and I just realized you were Ircher.


Yeah, your opinion doesn't even get taken for a grain of salt. That'd be giving you too much credit.

PEdit: I said either scum or god-awful town. Jesus Christ kid, I really wish you were dayviged.

Deal with it. I'm not going anywhere anytime soon.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

And I already did -- ISO me.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

just ignore diamond he's probably town but the game is better when you furiously scrollwheel past his posts

I dont have too much meta experience w/ him tbh, so I shall relent for now. But that doesn't mean I'm not scumreading him still.
~Ircher
One of us will vote elsewhere when we are given good cause.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Kraska is Neutral leaning Town.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

SpyreX, you've never played with me before. You can stop cuz I'm always like this, especially town. And its not awful meta; you should read it for your edification on how I play.
~Zanos

Pedit: That wasn't a backtrack; that was the truth.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

And it wasn't bull**** reasoning; it was a misread so su with your misrep.
~Zanos

Pedit:
VOTE: Zanos
Like I care....

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Come on, join the fun KTS! These people are dense, stubborn oldies. (Old players as in exp not physical age)

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Then why arent you scumreading KTS? If you care so little about neta, then why do you seem to be so tolerant of troll playstyles. Dont contradict yourself; you know its true.
~Zanos

Pedit: I dont remember voting Smith.

Pedit2: To prove a point.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

That was @\Spyrex btw

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Tbf, KTS isnt trolling this game.

Cerb is doing nothing yet you have no problem with that @Spyrex. Why?

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Kts is fine this game and if i had 10 bullets today he still wouldnt get one.

Cerb? Whom i said id love to kill? Yea no problem there.

Ok, fair on KTS this game, but my point w/ Cerb was he is doing nothing yet you have zero problem with him doing nothing.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: Maker
HURT: of
HURT WITH A BLADE: Zanos

HEAL: Your broken logic

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Not surprised.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I counted 6+ votes not including the unvote

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I am unfortunately not one of them.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Lol, except I always get autoscumread for no good reason.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

UNVOTE:

This game goes far too fast. I will need to check out DiamondSentinel and Skrub when I have time. I woke up to see that we are now at 45 pages. I will ask my other head about Skrub.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself. Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification. Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy. If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I said that from your perspective I am voting you because you are the most popular wagon. That is the way you see it. If you have a scumread on me for that, you must also accept that I can have a genuine scum read on you for voting the most popular wagon. Also, I said "at worst". I do not know whether you genuinely scumread me (I'm not telepathic) but I know I genuinely scumread you. You are free to cast shade on that but if you do then you must also accept that others can have genuine suspicions about your read on me.

Your case is slowly degrading into outright misrep.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Mhsmith this game has 30 players aint nobody gonna read ur walls

Don't wirry; I'm doing walls sooner or later.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.

VOTE: maker

I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.

This is an opportunistic vote. "Yes, let's give a generic read on the other competing lynch wagon besides me." That's exactly what this post is.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlier

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

More generic reasons and nitpickeyness.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.

As if your vote was any better. Gut reads are fine occassionally; obviously, we are going to review your posts to make a final read, but your posts currently feel scum-motivatec & we dont have the time to go through the ZISO immediately.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks - Scrub ISO - Day 1

1. 591 --> Clarifies "Dont care comment"; annoyed with scumread for overanalysis, etc -->

The first part really doesn't feel that great; I also assumed that he meant he didn't care about the votes. The paranoid tone just reads as scum-motivated to me. On the other hand, the other half of the post feels like genuine frustration from town rather than scum having found a convenient excuse to post less. So, yeah, I am mixed here. --

Neutral (+1)

2. 1139 --> Votes us and continues to question the formation of the scrub wagon -->

Once again, I see the townie frustration mixed in with a convenient vote. I agree with Skrub that the wagon formation at the beginning was based off of some pretty bad reasoning, but I disagree with the way he decided to plop down a vote on us knowing full and well that the wagon on us and him were competing with each other. So, the question is motive -- Town frustration or convenient alternate wagon or both? It's hard to tell with this post. --

Null (0)

3. 1141 --> Reasoning for voting our slot -->

Really don't like this post because all the reasoning is pretty generic. Changing votes a lot, especially early-on in the game, is by no means scummy; are we to be static and have unchanging reads throughout the game? Your vote is your weapon, and there is no reason not to have dynamic reads as more information is given. The idea behind wagon-hopping being scummy is that you try to find the most convenient wagons to be on, which I would argue is not the case for this slot though I am obviously biased. Self-votes are always bad, but people still do them; reading things such as that are hard to read and the way you reasoned that amounts basically to generic reasoning and WIFOM. Finally, the post you quoted -- Yes, it was bad in hindsight, but what makes you feel it was made with malicious intent. I later clarified & admitted I messed up there though the majority of you simply called it backtracking to reinforce your cases on this slot. Since when are townies perfect? We're not looking just at wirds; we're looking at actions and feelings, motivations and ideals. -

Neutral (-1)

4. 1156] --> Nitpicking my other head's post -->

This is what is called confirmation bias; you are so intent on showing we are scum that you feel the need to just be nitpickey about our posts. I don't blame you.... too much..... -

Null (0)

ISO Score: 0
Base Score: 0
Bias Score: +1.0
Final Score: +1.0 (Neutral-Town)

I actually read this slot as tunnelled on this slot and frustrated with the wagon on him; looking at the ISO, I disagree with my other head's idea that Scrub is scum; the lack of noise brings out the frustration in Scrub's posts. The one thing I want to watch is how Skrub's reads evolve especially after this post.

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks - Diamond ISO - Day 1

1. 88 --> Says game hasnt started & therefore people should deal with nonsensical posts -->

This borders more on a playstyle issue I feel than an alignment issue, but nonetheless, it is worth addressing: Since when does spam help town? Fluff, spam, troll posts, and off-topic posts never help town and in fact, makes it harder for people to understand the context around certain posts cuz all the other posts are just noise that fills the thread. So, as an addendum, why do you feel a need to **ENCOURAGE** such posts rather than... Play the game. I understand its a game and people want to have fun, but making posts just to make posts is not healthy for the game, and actively encouraging others to do so is just .... bad.... -

Null (0)

2. 630 --> Coughs up a scumread on Drixx cuz House replaced out -->

I don't like this either; did you ever stop to consider WHY House decided to /out? And regardless, HOW does that make Drixx by any means scummy? Like, this is just scumreading someone to scumread them. I understand that we all do bad stuff like this occassionally, but we should all strive to scumread on something that has a little bit more meat on it. Disclaimer: I'm prob. guilty of stupid scumreads like this too. -

Neutral (-1)

3. 636 & 638 --> Felt Yume vs. House was SvS or Sv3p -->

Ugh... Once again, I have to question whether you're always like this or are doing this deliberately. Even if nothing felt town-motivated, WHY does that make it implicitly a fight with scum. If anything, it was null cuz it mainly dealt with out of thread stuff. What this truly feels like is a reason to try to get someone policy-lynched and I dont really approve of that. -

Neutral (-1)

4. 734 --> Scumreads players for arguing against policy-lynching (in particular, calls it a scum-buddy defense) -->

Are you doing this on purpose or are you just always like this. This is like a super reachy conclusion to make --> You suggest that A should be PL'd but X, Y, and Z state that policy-lynching isn't a good idea; therefore, X, Y, Z are scum defending scum-buddy A. Basically, an OMGUS in disguise alongside pre-flip associations. Not to mention that X, Y, and Z are coming from a more sound theoretical standpoint. It's non-logical assumptions like this that makes me annoyed with you. -

Scum (-2)

5. 596 -->

True; I think I've only played against you once and I believe you were in a hydra that game. But your reasonings for reads this game is attrocious imo. -

Null (0)

ISO Score: -4
Base Score: -0.8
Bias Score: -0.2
Final Score: -1.0 (Neutral-Scum)

Main question --> Does Diamond ALWAYS have this far-fetched and bad logical reasoning for doing stuff? Or is he faking ineptness this game?

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks - KTS ISO - Day 1

1. 378 --> Brings up multiball -->

An understandable conclusion, but at the same time, a bit too much on the side of assumptions -- What makes you feel so strongly that the game is multiball? Exaggeration or another reason? -

Neutral (-1)

2. 380 --> Comments on Expediance's VT claim -->

Good point that is brought up here imo. I want to know more about your reasoning to claim so early @Expediance. --

Neutral (+1)

3. 1210 --> Basically a readslist -->

I've seriously never seen KTS this productive. I especially like the Scrub read here and none of this feels contrived. -

Very Town (+3)

ISO Score: +3
Base Score: +1.0
Bias Score: +1.0
Final Score: +2.0 (Lean Town)

KTS is being KTS for the most part, but gut makes me think KTS is town this game.

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?

Read my spoiler on you, thanks.

There's two kinds of reads: gut/reactionary reads & iso reads. The ISO reads are what matters in the long run whereas the gut reads are potientally biased.

The gut reads or reactionary reads are the ones I post as I go through the thread; they tend to deal with some kind of issue, but sometimes, I'm just scanning through & get a biased perspective on things. They deal with the stuff that catches my attention the most which 70% of times means posts involving myself although there are other posts that occassionally catch me.

ISO reads let me go back through a person's post without all the surrounding noise and reevaluate. Sometimes, they result in the same conclusion, but a good number of times, my position changes after rereading the posts in isolations.

90% of the reads I provide are gut/reactionary reads. 10% or less are ISO reads and they are almost always put in spoilers.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Oh, and that was:
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

For future reference if I do readlists.

You could ignore the #s prob but I keep them there because they are potientally useful.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I'll do Cakez next probs.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks - SirCakez ISO - Day 1

1.

Hard to get a read on this ISO. SirCakez needs to cut down on the quote walls and just quote or reference what is needed or split up the posts imo. The quotes are hiding Cakez's actual content. SirCakez (whether intentionally or not) seems to obfuscate his posts a lot and I'd like him to summarize his posts in a bit more condensed way. I'll look at this again later.

ISO Score: ?
Base Score: ?
Bias Score: ?
Final Score: ?

Cakez, please cut down on the number of quote walls and/or split up your posts; it obfuscates the actual content in your posts and I dont feel like mushing through it right now.

~Zanos

Pedit: Logic is part of math. Setup-Spec and EV deal with Statistics. Get used to it.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks -- SpyreX ISO -- Day 1

1. 91 --> Basically voting whoever Nacho does -->

Aside from whether it's a good idea, it'sa pretty easy way to excuse yourself to do nothing, and I'm not too fond of the idea. I'll reserve further judgement though. -

Null (0)

2. 903 --> Complains about my reactionary analysis of KTS in 889 -->

And what exactly is wrong with the post? It wasn't even a strong conclusion; just more of an aside/comment on how KTS was behaving this game & why. At worst its null at best its null. -

Neutral (-1)

3. 998 --> Complains about the request for reasons for the wagon -->

Obviously, people are yelling because it isn't super obvious at a glance. Just cuz something looks obvious to you doesn't mean it does to everyone else. And quite frankly, I don't like how you are basically shouting from the sidelines despite not having giving your reasons to do so; it feels you dont want to be held accountable should this slot flip as town. -

Scum (-2)

4. 1232 --> Scrub is "obvtown" and Maker voting Scrub is "warm trash" -->

Yeah, the confirmation bias coming from this slot is quite obviously, and it really doesnt feel like town deathtunneling each other either. Show that Scrub is obvtown; if that were the case, then why is Scrub the competing top wagon? Also --> Look at the double-standard when it comes to people voting your townreads. I understand that the Scrub vote was somewhat bad, but how can you argue that Scrub's vote was much better in comparison --> You had no problem with it as far as I can tell. This is scum targeting the weakest link, not town that likes to deathtunnel players. Your attitude this game tells me so. -

Very Scum (-3)

ISO Score: -6
Base Score: -1.5
Bias Score: -1.0
Final Score: -2.5 (Lean Scum)

SpyreX is scum; this doesn't look like a town mindset to me: lack of accountability, biased perspectives, double standards, and shouting from the sideline to lynch someone without going into significant enough detail to explain why.

VOTE: SpyreX

@SpyreX --> Explain to me why you feel your actions show a town-motivation and/or the fallancies/logical leaps I've taken in my analysis of you.

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.

How does that not progress anything? I want people explain their votes so I can understand who actually believes I'm scum and who was just being opportunistic. And I left because I have a paper due tomorrow and I didn't start it until last night. Up to this point you've still done basically nothing.

And what about the 20+ people who weren't voting you?

Spoiler: Real Folks - SirCakez ISO - Day 1

1.

Hard to get a read on this ISO. SirCakez needs to cut down on the quote walls and just quote or reference what is needed or split up the posts imo. The quotes are hiding Cakez's actual content. SirCakez (whether intentionally or not) seems to obfuscate his posts a lot and I'd like him to summarize his posts in a bit more condensed way. I'll look at this again later.

ISO Score: ?
Base Score: ?
Bias Score: ?
Final Score: ?

Cakez, please cut down on the number of quote walls and/or split up your posts; it obfuscates the actual content in your posts and I dont feel like mushing through it right now.

~Zanos

Pedit: Logic is part of math. Setup-Spec and EV deal with Statistics. Get used to it.

That's because I keep having to do catchups
Its not a choice really

It's nothing personal; it just adds in some noise that makes it hard to not want to just skim through your posts. Maybe my other head can parse that better.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

So, in other words, you dont really feel like working with us?
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

No, I am simply trying to see where SpyreX is coming from.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

You're right --> It was both cuz I feel you are scum yet at the same time feel like I'm overlooking something about you.

You are the most vocal, but you have hardly given a case.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Cause whats next for your hard hitting journalism? A lurker? That feels like a natural progression.

The sarcasm really isn't needed; tyvm.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

wait wrong person, someone was voting wifam with what seemed like legit intent to kill, i'll just check later

Maker's votes outside of RVS have been on: mhsmith, Nero, Expedience, Diamond - doesn't make sense to me

Mhsmith was another RVS vote in response to keeping score with the mod; did you seriously think it was serious?

[Maker_of_Zanos]

At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy. If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

If you think something looks scummy, you push someone for it. You do not first question if it's something you've done yourself, you just push for it. Who cares if he's a hypocrite?

And then you mislynch people who dont play by your "One-Size-Fits-All" rule; this is

great

advice.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

I'm pretty excited to see Maker push his shiny new SpyreX suspicion.
In the meantime, short catch up.

Breaking my heart boo.

Unless that is murderous excitement

Murderous excitement; you are part of a very very small collection of people who I wouldn't instantly murder if given the opportunity and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't think that Maker can seriously push a case on you and end up as anything but dead by the end of it, but I'm excited to see him try.

That's the thing that I don't understand. Why can SpyreX do whatever & no one even casts a shadow of a doubt there?

I want answers; I don't wint these stupid metagames within games.

Pedit: Stuff like that is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

2. 903 --> Complains about my reactionary analysis of KTS in 889 --> And what exactly is wrong with the post? It wasn't even a strong conclusion; just more of an aside/comment on how KTS was behaving this game & why. At worst its null at best its null. - Neutral (-1)

1. You tried to imply that KTS was scum because he wasn't acting like a troll. You didn't analyze any of his "serious posting", you just took a difference and you used that as an attempt to push him. You are docking points from SpyreX because he disagreed with you; isn't this the definition of bias?

Obviously, people are yelling because it isn't super obvious at a glance. Just cuz something looks obvious to you doesn't mean it does to everyone else. And quite frankly, I don't like how you are basically shouting from the sidelines despite not having giving your reasons to do so; it feels you dont want to be held accountable should this slot flip as town.

2. The Skrub wagon wasn't obvious at a glance, but it still popped up anyways. The House wagon wasn't obvious at a glance, but it still popped up anyways. SpyreX was pointing out that these wagons didn't get questioned, but yours did. Why? I don't understand how SpyreX is avoiding being held accountable for your town flip; his response blows this particular criticism out of the water, but just because he didn't give reasons for lynching you doesn't mean that people aren't going to turn to him if you flip town. I find that making a well-reasoned case on a wagon lets you get off with lynching someone more than just lynching someone does. Again, you're criticizing him for how he approached your wagon which again seems biased.

Yeah, the confirmation bias coming from this slot is quite obviously, and it really doesnt feel like town deathtunneling each other either. Show that Scrub is obvtown; if that were the case, then why is Scrub the competing top wagon? Also --> Look at the double-standard when it comes to people voting your townreads. I understand that the Scrub vote was somewhat bad, but how can you argue that Scrub's vote was much better in comparison --> You had no problem with it as far as I can tell. This is scum targeting the weakest link, not town that likes to deathtunnel players. Your attitude this game tells me so.

3. First, addressing the "if Skrub is obvtown, why is he the top competing wagon?". The majority opinion does not always align with an individual's opinion. The majority opinion (much like an individual opinion) is not always correct. I can elaborate on this if you'd like, but I'd hope that you can acknowledge that this is a bad line of thought if you spend some more time thinking about it.

4. As far as a double standard goes, SpyreX never argued that Skrub's vote was better than yours (although I'd argue that it was); he said that your vote was bad and that Skrub was obvtown (he argued absolutely nothing about your vote).

5. You seem to be arguing that old-timers (which feels directed at me and SpyreX in particular, please correct me if I'm wrong) are currently approaching your case with a closed mind and are producing terrible logic to push a lynch through. If you are town, I'd argue that this case is a case that you're making because you're frustrated by the push against you; you seem like a person who can approach a situation objectively but I'd be very surprised if you look at this case after the game is done and tell me that this is your objective approach to SpyreX's push on you.

At least someone isn't going to troll all day...

1. Fair about KTS. Maybe so with SpyreX; will think about that.
2. Maybe, maybe not (for wagon formation). I will concede about the accountability. The approach DOES matter imo, but you make me stop and rethink if the approach really is indicative of scum or null. Still hard to tell here imo, so I'll think about that too.
3. I agree with your premise here.
4. I implied that argument, but admittedly, its a bit of a stretch.
5. In a way, yes. It doesn't help when SpyreX just trolls though.

I will reconsider my stance. One problem I think is a there is a misunderstanding gap somewhere and that was partially what I was looking for. I try to approach things objectively, but there is always going to be bias. I had a feeling there was bias in my case, but I couldn't say what it was at the time.

UNVOTE:

~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Just note chuckles wont play murderball but still wont just call me town its a mystery

who

Obviously us.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Maker of Zanos  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
Killthestory (+75%) - With KTS, it mainly cones down to a gutread and his posts makes me feel he's town this game.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Spyrex (+10%) - Ascended Masters brought up some good points against my "case" earlier. I have reconsidered my read and while they havent done anything I'd called really town indicative, an unbiased view reveals that they haven't really done too much in terms of scum actions either.
SirCakez (0%) - Cannot compute; maybe my other head has an opinion here (?)

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Scrub (+50%) - Feels like townie frustration concerning his wagon. I would argue (possibly biasedly) that his vote switch onto us wasn't really good but likely from frustration and confirmation bias.
Diamond (-40%) - His logical reasoning has been pretty bad this game, but I wonder if thats always the case. I don't have extensive meta, so my read here isn't final or even very strong.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)

Summary of everyone I did an ISO read for.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Am I allowed to sleep at night without having to read over 10 pages every day?

Anyway, Zanos made a list of cases and reads. I will analyse from them first to get an idea on where I stand on Skrub and other scumreads of theirs. An interesting point was raised, in that at one point Zanos thought that Skrub is just bad, frustrated Town rather an scum, but I will analyse these cases before forming my reads.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

^^^^ 100000% would rather lynch a no or bad-contribution slot over one that offers 'information'
especially when no one analyzes the freaking wagon after the player is lynched
PLus a lynch for information is useless to analyze in the first place because its not motivated by finding scum as a first priority

Hydras are awesome tho its so great to catch a scum hydra as the towny head tries to protect the head that keeps scumposting

There is no towny head to this hydra. That doesn't mean we're scum though.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

all aboard the maker train pls, people are scared to vote when they're at like L-8 or some shit. we need to have 2-3 wagons MAX because we need 17 votes to actually murder a bitch right now and we're struggling to even get half

anyone who makes shit vanity votes is gonna get a big murdercock™

I would argue we're around L-4 or so at this point.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

A simple description of our meta.

Ircher
BTD6_Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

fuck both of you.

theres a whole subforum for wasting time and space. and numerous sites to chess in

IIRC DS does this when bored. I've seen it. Not always chess, but games of a sort. NAI I'd say, though annoying.

I don't necessarily play games. I just tend to talk about non-game things.

So it wasn't you that played hangman that one time? Possibly with RC?

Memory has failed me. Oh well! It's still not something unexpected from you. What had you so bored?

That was Not_Mafia i do believe.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

fuck both of you.

theres a whole subforum for wasting time and space. and numerous sites to chess in

IIRC DS does this when bored. I've seen it. Not always chess, but games of a sort. NAI I'd say, though annoying.

I don't necessarily play games. I just tend to talk about non-game things.

So it wasn't you that played hangman that one time? Possibly with RC?

Memory has failed me. Oh well! It's still not something unexpected from you. What had you so bored?

That was Not_Mafia i do believe.

Oh, yeah, it was this game.
~Zanos

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Oh, what a bloody day it shall be
That all of you may see.
Shouting for blood
Casting some mud,
The evil ones want us gone
Quite hostile and unfun.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

A certain figure just kept on yelling
Never caring to talk it through
Insisting that we have no feelings
And are simply just one evil crew.

This certain person says he's a spy
Yet obviously way too loud;
Making a grandeur cry
He pushes us feebly out of the crowd.

A person can keep seeking
Insisting we are bad,
But when will he be meek
And stop driving us mad?

There is a time, there is a place
There is a line, there is a race
But relenting not is not that great
Quickly killing is quite irate!

We make mistakes, we look quite frail
We take great risks, we leave a trail
Since when is badness associated with evil
Alas it is our greatest evil.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
Blatantly ducking giving any reason for votes.

I'm not against voting MoZ but the

why

is rather mysterious to me.

What

are they doing / not doing which makes them scum?

As far as I can tell,
We've committed no major crime.
What they will simply sell
Is our badness at playing well.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
Blatantly ducking giving any reason for votes.

I'm not against voting MoZ but the

why

is rather mysterious to me.

What

are they doing / not doing which makes them scum?

As far as I can tell,
We've committed no major crime.
What they will simply sell
Is our badness at playing well.

But if you're still curious, I'll give you a synopsis
Please bar my bias, I'm not trying to do hypnosis.
Our crimes are many in the eyes of this crowd
Wagon hopping apparently and being quite loud.
Mistakes and misreads and bad reads factor in
Plus a quick blood mindset hoping to win.

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Spoiler: Real Folks - Scrub ISO - Day 1

1. 591 --> Clarifies "Dont care comment"; annoyed with scumread for overanalysis, etc -->

The first part really doesn't feel that great; I also assumed that he meant he didn't care about the votes. The paranoid tone just reads as scum-motivated to me. On the other hand, the other half of the post feels like genuine frustration from town rather than scum having found a convenient excuse to post less. So, yeah, I am mixed here. --

Neutral (+1)

I would call this scummy but I suppose a frustrated Townie could make many of these posts. Then again, what must be considered is whether "frustrated Townie" is a good persona for scum to play. I have mixed feelings about this.

2. 1139 --> Votes us and continues to question the formation of the scrub wagon -->

Once again, I see the townie frustration mixed in with a convenient vote. I agree with Skrub that the wagon formation at the beginning was based off of some pretty bad reasoning, but I disagree with the way he decided to plop down a vote on us knowing full and well that the wagon on us and him were competing with each other. So, the question is motive -- Town frustration or convenient alternate wagon or both? It's hard to tell with this post. --

Null (0)

This started my scumread. It could certainly be frustrated Town. Again, it's easy for scum to say they were frustrated Town. However, I doubt his motives. It seems like he was too easily voting the big wagon. I would rate his as Neutral (-1).

3. 1141 --> Reasoning for voting our slot -->

Really don't like this post because all the reasoning is pretty generic. Changing votes a lot, especially early-on in the game, is by no means scummy; are we to be static and have unchanging reads throughout the game? Your vote is your weapon, and there is no reason not to have dynamic reads as more information is given. The idea behind wagon-hopping being scummy is that you try to find the most convenient wagons to be on, which I would argue is not the case for this slot though I am obviously biased. Self-votes are always bad, but people still do them; reading things such as that are hard to read and the way you reasoned that amounts basically to generic reasoning and WIFOM. Finally, the post you quoted -- Yes, it was bad in hindsight, but what makes you feel it was made with malicious intent. I later clarified & admitted I messed up there though the majority of you simply called it backtracking to reinforce your cases on this slot. Since when are townies perfect? We're not looking just at wirds; we're looking at actions and feelings, motivations and ideals. -

Neutral (-1)

I can look at Ircher and see that Ircher was changing votes fairly frequently. Again, I do not see what is scummy. Ircher may change votes, and I may change them too. Skrub being the next biggest wagon is not a reason to vote, but it is definitely a reason to read that slot. From my read and this post, I found that I had a scumread. Again, in Mafia we look for motivations. I found Ircher's post bad, but I obviously knew it came from Town. However, it was Skrub's motivation, and not exact words, for voting me that I found scummy

4. 1156] --> Nitpicking my other head's post -->

This is what is called confirmation bias; you are so intent on showing we are scum that you feel the need to just be nitpickey about our posts. I don't blame you.... too much..... -

Null (0)

What I found was that you were quoting posts out of context and then saying that I admit I am scummy and my posts come from a scum motivation. This is very, very bad logic and very anti-Town. I do think that a genuinely frustrated Town could do this, though.

ISO Score: 0
Base Score: 0
Bias Score: +1.0
Final Score: +1.0 (Neutral-Town)

I actually read this slot as tunnelled on this slot and frustrated with the wagon on him; looking at the ISO, I disagree with my other head's idea that Scrub is scum; the lack of noise brings out the frustration in Scrub's posts. The one thing I want to watch is how Skrub's reads evolve especially after this post.

~Zanos

I am currently weakly scumreading this slot. Of course, we will discuss more on whether Skrub really is scum or a frustrated Town later. For now, this is my read. (A weak scumread is usually near the strongest I get in Day 1. Moderate to strong scumreads usually only come later, after some flips).

PEdit: Not really. Most pages, especially near the start, contain little real information and more random insults and spam.

~Maker

[Maker_of_Zanos]

Oh, what sadness it is to be forced away
Lynched indeed to our utter dismay.
We tried our best and we failed
But life is full of many new tales.
We fault you not for your deeds
Because we will uphold a worthy creed.