The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Skrub]

/confirm

How are you voting guys O.O

Its not yet day 1 - I really won't count these!

VOTE: frozen angel
I found scum guys. She's trying to keep us from voting for her buddies!

[Skrub]

Now i wanna watch space jam

Watch this instead

[Skrub]

What's Jason Statham doing in this game?

[Skrub]

VOTE: cerberus v666
With 666 in his name, he's got to be scum

[Skrub]

Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

[Skrub]

Believe whatever you want. I don't really care

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

What's this naked vote for?

[Skrub]

Believe whatever you want. I don't really care

VOTE: Skrub

What's this naked vote for?

So you do care about people voting you? I don't buy the nonchalance.

I didn't say that I don't care about votes on me. You said that I sounded fake and I said that I didn't care what you thought. Why are you even butting in on me asking someone else why they voted for me?

also willing to policy lynch/vig

1. randomidget
2. Sekirei [Hydra of Yume and Titus]
5. ? [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
9. DiamondSentinel
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
16. Expedience
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
21. Skrub
24. davesaz
25. pisskop
28. Norvicodin [Hydra of House and Drixx]
29. Nosferatu
30. Killthestory

You realise I'm not actually jester, right?

That's irrelevant. You just painted a target on your head for scum that might think there's more than one scum faction.

I've read this post like 10 times and I still don't understand what it means.
Norvi translate pls.

Norvicodin

I'm masons with kraska

Don't buy it

Hi.

Scum, fyi, I'm a VT with no intention of participating to any notable degree until D4 or so, or when all my other games end.

That is all.

This isn't what we meant by "don't post too many walls"

Dang, this game is moving fast. Anyways, I don't trust Norvicodin. That part where he was interacting with rb earlier felt off to me and I didn't get why he asking rb the questions he did. If rb was 3rd party and messed up why would you tell him that he messed up instead of voting him or something. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was trying to do some type of reaction test. In his other posts Norvicodin gives me the feeling that he's trying too hard to appear town and I don't like that. I'm not sure why I'm getting that vibe from him but I'll trust my gut

VOTE: norvicodin

I was going to vote Norvi for being awkward as hell, but this is super super overexplained. Looks like scum trying too hard.

VOTE: skrub

So explaining myself is scummy? Got it. I'll just post nothing but naked votes from now on.

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub
I had the same vibes. Early caught scum, go go go

And you're saying this based on.....?

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

Good wagon is good.

Also, survivalism.

What makes it good? This just looks like opportunism to me

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

Looks like almost nobody on the wagon is giving any reasons for joining it at all. That's not sketchy at all...

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

Good wagon is good.

Also, survivalism.

What makes it good? This just looks like opportunism to me

Naw, it's survivalism. Totally different.

And it's a good wagon because YOUR vote was opportunistic and slimy as fuck.

No I wasn't. I didn't like Norvicodin's posts so I voted him. How is that opportunistic and slimy

[Skrub]

Looks like almost nobody on the wagon is giving any reasons for joining it at all. That's not sketchy at all...

VOTE: Skrub

[Skrub]

It is a tentative read so far but feel like KTS could be town he is already invested enough to get ticked off at the hyperposters and that means he is genuinely trying to sort shit out.

That makes sense I guess. Do you have any other reads?

[Skrub]

v/la until Monday morning

[Skrub]

I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.

VOTE: maker

I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.

[Skrub]

Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlier

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.

[Skrub]

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

[Skrub]

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

[Skrub]

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

[Skrub]

I'm an alt

[Skrub]

I'm finally done with my paper. Now I can focus on this game more

[Skrub]

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself. Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification. Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me.

At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.

If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

I didn't vote you because you were a popular wagon though. I voted you because your posts are scummy as hell. So its not outright hypocrisy, its me calling you out on bullshit. And I like how you admitted in the next sentence that you only voted me because I'm a popular wagon and that you tried to justify it. Thanks for letting us all know that you don't really have a scum read on me.

[Skrub]

I said that from your perspective I am voting you because you are the most popular wagon. That is the way you see it. If you have a scumread on me for that, you must also accept that I can have a genuine scum read on you for voting the most popular wagon. Also, I said "at worst". I do not know whether you genuinely scumread me (I'm not telepathic) but I know I genuinely scumread you. You are free to cast shade on that but if you do then you must also accept that others can have genuine suspicions about your read on me.

Your case is slowly degrading into outright misrep.

~Maker

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself.

Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification.

Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.

If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it

. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

How did I misrep you?

[Skrub]

I wanna hear more about scum sircakez

I'm not really sure about him anymore. I didn't like his iso because all of his posts are fluff, but people post like that as town and as scum so I guess that's not alignment indicative. But then he started saying that I'm obvscum and need to be lynched without really saying why he thought that. He made a couple of posts like that but it didn't feel like he was really trying to get me lynched. It felt weird

[Skrub]

@Maker That's one of the weakest "cases" I've ever seen. You just said that you think my posts are generic. That's not inherently scummy and its not like there's much I can say to defend myself. I don't think my posts have been generic and I'm sure you'll say that in your opinion they look that way. All I can say to that is okay. That doesn't really invite any discussion and its a safe way of casting shade.

[Skrub]

@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?

[Skrub]

Ok yeah Maker_of_Zanos's ISO is pretty awful.
My issue is Ircher is one doing the posting mainly and he's SUPER lynchbaity. I'm awful at discerning whether he's Ircher being Ircher or Ircher being scum. And BTD6 is lynchbaity too.
I would put them at a scumlean I guess for the vote hopping, which isn't something that I wouldn't write off as their lynchbaity-ness. But their awkwardness....yeah.

@sirckaez You said one of my posts didn't feel genuine to you. So that one thing = skrub is obvscum? How does that make sense?

I said your early vote was overexplained + your reaction to being wagoned was bad
Also I don't think I said this, but you contributed basically no content besides "OMG why am I being wagoned???" after that early vote.

What was bad about my reaction? And what content have you contributed?

[Skrub]

It didn't actually try to progress anything. Just asking why you're being wagoned then leaving isn't town at all.
Not that much admittedly, but not the basically nothing you had contributed at that point.

How does that not progress anything? I want people explain their votes so I can understand who actually believes I'm scum and who was just being opportunistic. And I left because I have a paper due tomorrow and I didn't start it until last night. Up to this point you've still done basically nothing.

[Skrub]

In the meantime while I'm dreaming of ending this day within a reasonable amount of time, I'd like to hear fancy reads (if you have special reasons for killing them or you'd argue their wagon if it popped up) on these people:

1. randomidget
5. Space Dandy [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
8. Road Kamelot
11. Mirhawk
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
23. PeregrineV
24. davesaz
29. Nosferatu
32. Giovanni il Pellegrino

I forgot that most of these people were playing. Vedith felt townie, Cakez is null or nullscum, dandy and DrippingGoofball were acting as if they were about to be helpful but then they didn't do anything so I don't know what to make of that. I don't remember everyone else

[Skrub]

Okay so guess what town

Town needs to cooperate and not just come out of nowhere with random scumreads/townreads. Explain in-depth when you have a scumread on someone that the majority doesn't agree with and vice versa. Make a townbloc, a collective, whatever, I don't care. However, to ever be able to agree on something, you all need to express your views in a logical manner and have intellectual discussion rather than random words to be had.

Thank you.

You see, every time you make a post like this, it almost makes me want to see you as town, because it shows that you are in a hurry to do something.

But then my voice of reason speaks up because WE ARE ONLY 2 DAYS INTO THE GAME! MOST GAMES ARENT EVEN OUT OF RVS YET

What are you talking about? RVS usually ends after like 2 pages.

[Skrub]

Ah Cakes ok nvm grapes is posting in other games and not here so
Sure, lurking is an accurate statement, could be scum
Expedience tell me. why do your last two posts suck so bad dude-o

pedit: last two posts not including most recent

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about ongoing games

[Skrub]

Skrub, you dont remember me? I was one of those people who wanted you dead for a while but doesnt anymore
Not cool

Oh okay lol

[Skrub]

from the "Dont fucking talk about ongoing games" thread:
"OKAY: "Zoraster is alive in 4 games and is posting in those games, but he hasn't posted here in 3 days."
NOT OKAY: "Zoraster is alive in 4 games where he's posting lengthy posts. <The violation here is mentioning that the posts are LONG. This is a substantive statement.>
OKAY: "I'm alive in 3 games, and I'm having trouble keeping up with all of them."
NOT OKAY: "I'm in LYLO in a game, so that's taking a lot of my time." <The violation here is mentioning that you're in LYLO. This is a substantive statement.>"

I dont break the rules, not my style
My statement about grapes falls under the first example

I always thought that you could say "this person is still posting on the site" but you couldn't say "this person is posting in other games". Good to know.

[Skrub]

Hi Aristophanes

[Skrub]

I like Davesaz's posts so far

[Skrub]

The Collective:
Masters
SpyreX
Rb
KTS
Skrub
DS
Cakez
Pisskop
Vifam

I think that's a pretty damn good start. Lets use it like a sword

When are we getting the matching leather jackets?

[Skrub]

I like Davesaz's posts so far

i like them because i think it's town motivated but what he says sucks: agree/disagree?

I think they're town motivated and don't suck that much

[Skrub]

^^^^ 100000% would rather lynch a no or bad-contribution slot over one that offers 'information'
especially when no one analyzes the freaking wagon after the player is lynched
PLus a lynch for information is useless to analyze in the first place because its not motivated by finding scum as a first priority

Hydras are awesome tho its so great to catch a scum hydra as the towny head tries to protect the head that keeps scumposting

There is no towny head to this hydra. That doesn't mean we're scum though.
~Zanos

Wait, what?

[Skrub]

^^^^ 100000% would rather lynch a no or bad-contribution slot over one that offers 'information'
especially when no one analyzes the freaking wagon after the player is lynched
PLus a lynch for information is useless to analyze in the first place because its not motivated by finding scum as a first priority

Hydras are awesome tho its so great to catch a scum hydra as the towny head tries to protect the head that keeps scumposting

There is no towny head to this hydra.

That doesn't mean we're scum though.
~Zanos

What is this?

[Skrub]

A simple description of our meta.

Ircher
BTD6_Maker

I thought you scum claimed for a second lol. Meta isn't a good defense though.

[Skrub]

How much of the game have you read so far?

[Skrub]

When is the mixtape coming out?

[Skrub]

And he only had like 3 votes on him. I don't get why he reacted that way

[Skrub]

Things, I'm still fifteen pages behind.

I'd guess rb as the scumkill as he was p/obviously town.

Vifam claimed in the PT for what it's worth, but his kill flavor seems kinda strange.

I had no idea you were even in this game

[Skrub]

Well we're off to a great start!
VOTE: ascended masters
Maker town flip makes me pretty confident this is scum

What makes you think that they're scum?

[Skrub]

Ketchup time

[Skrub]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

I don't remember masters being the main people behind that lynch

[Skrub]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

Then why would you vote them over me?

Cause that lynch was me man

I'd say it was both you and me

[Skrub]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

Then why would you vote them over me?

Cause that lynch was me man

VOTE: Kraska77

At work will post more later there be reasons.

@Expedience you had a question why I did what I did. Because I let out as little as I could while explaining my read.

Yo math of the bebop neighbor crew how about you explain wtf about yesterday and if vi claimed pr which then got him killed

I have a theory as to why Vifam was killed. Will post more later when I have time.

I'm kind of interested in hearing more about this

[Skrub]

Hey, Smith.

My top priority of today is bringing you into the collective in order to replace brothers Vifam and rb, or, if that is not possible because you are dirty dirty scum, end your game today. I liked a few of your posts yesterday, but I was a bit weirded out by you not responding to my call for a Zanos town case (I assume you didn't see it), and I didn't understand where your drive to solve the game went if you didn't share the mindset that I did of ending the day in a reasonable amount of time.

I'll go through your posts in depth later when I have the time, but I'd appreciate it if you talked to me about some reads that you care about before that time comes.

It's kind of weird that you're not responding to any of the people rallying against you

[Skrub]

VOTE: Mirhawk

What's this about?

[Skrub]

VOTE: Mirhawk

I think it is Kraska Rach SpyreX and Kraska are all some kind of nefarious entity.

Mirhawk*

Is this related to that theory you were talking about before?

[Skrub]

VOTE: Mirhawk

I think it is Kraska Rach SpyreX and Kraska are all some kind of nefarious entity.

Mirhawk*

Hey guys and gals I am here catching up on writing for clients though, and I am happy about that because it means the bills will be paid. I genuinely thought master was scum.

Still have a strong town read on Spy, and Nacho so not sure why some people are scum reading them? Will be looking at some ISOs to get a better handle on this game and peg more folk.

As my character would say,

The road to victory seems an ever long and winding one.

this is super awful

What's super awful about it?

[Skrub]

I stop stop posting on my phone because the quotes are getting all messed up :/

[Skrub]

Things wrong :
Mathblade
Masters
Nero
Expedience
Rachmarie
Skrub prolly
Dave
Ceberus
Aristophanes
Spyrex
Kraska

I feel like more. But jesus half the game on the wrong side of murderball and thats if i missed some

I'm unsure what we're supposed to get from this. You just listed a bunch of names...

[Skrub]

Their strongarming a mislynch so quickly
Plus I never really got townvibes from them

Then why would you vote them over me?

Cause that lynch was me man

VOTE: Kraska77

At work will post more later there be reasons.

@Expedience you had a question why I did what I did. Because I let out as little as I could while explaining my read.

Yo math of the bebop neighbor crew how about you explain wtf about yesterday and if vi claimed pr which then got him killed

I have a theory as to why Vifam was killed. Will post more later when I have time.

I'm kind of interested in hearing more about this

Just got home. The short version is Vifam said something in the PT. Something I could verify. Vifam ends up dead means scum didn't want that something to come out. Vifam's scumread in the PT was Kraska. Therefore Kraska is very likely scum.

Was Kraska in the PT?

Pedit: never mind

[Skrub]

Okay, I'm all caught up. I feel a little bit better about Sircakez now. Something about the way he's going after masters just feels like motivated town to me. I don't think he's faking his tone. I haven't seen any convincing proof of Rach being scum. Mirhawk gives off a bad vibe though

VOTE: mirhawk

[Skrub]

VOTE: Expedience
Protection of Cakez feels really odd.

Any other insights you want to share?

[Skrub]

I seriously think we should lynch mirhawk today, he seems scummiest of the 3 neighbors who's alignment I do not know. I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority. I feel that kraska was scummy or whatever, but I feel that at best this is a town with backwards priority on a testable claim.

I agree with all of this

[Skrub]

I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for later

when we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now

. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.

Okay this is bad. It sounds like you're just desperate to lynch anyone who isn't you. Why would we lynch outside of the people in the PT?

[Skrub]

^^
What's that supposed to be?

[Skrub]

VOTE: kraska

It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is

[Skrub]

*she

[Skrub]

VOTE: kraska

It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is

kraska isn't in the PT, Panzer clarified this.

I didn't say that she was?

[Skrub]

quack

You need to participate.

nah fam

Lol

[Skrub]

VOTE: kraska

It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is

kraska isn't in the PT, Panzer clarified this.

I didn't say that she was?

Why are you voting her then?

You were

just

done berating me for not voting inside the neighborhood.

Are you not reading the thread or something? You know why people are voting for Kraska, right? Because we think an informant in the pt told her Vifam was gonna check her and they killed vifam. Kraska is as suspicous as everyone in the pt. I don't understand why you would make a post like this

[Skrub]

Is that why you are voting kraska?

Has she done anythingto make you think she is scum.

It makes more sense to lynch her first. Think about it. If we lynch someone in the pt and they turn out to be scum, it doesn't confirm that Kraska is scum. But if we get Kraska first and she flips scum then it means that it's extremely likely that there really is a scum informant in the pt.

[Skrub]

Are you not reading the thread or something? You know why people are voting for Kraska, right? Because we think an informant in the pt told her Vifam was gonna check her and they killed vifam. Kraska is as suspicous as everyone in the pt. I don't understand why you would make a post like this

If you were scum and someone claimed cop that was going to investigate a townie, wouldn't you kill them anyways?

What?

[Skrub]

Sit me down and explain why we would lynch kraska for being the buddy of a mole.

is that your only/main reason?

I just explained it. Read it over again. And yes, that's the main reason

Pedit: it's not an info lynch. Its pretty likely that Kraska is scum. If she's town, then I'll just shut up for the rest of the game and wallow in depression about how much I suck

[Skrub]

I want skrubs statement explicitly tbf.

Its not sensicals. And its not like he has an organic read on kras.

What language is this?

[Skrub]

I don't townread Mirhawk

[Skrub]

Yeah

[Skrub]

I was. And then I realized that it we flip Kraska and she's scum then that practically confirms the existence of a mole

[Skrub]

It seems like our opinions on this are the complete opposite of each other. why would anyone lie about being an alt lol?

[Skrub]

I was. And then I realized that it we flip Kraska and she's scum then that practically confirms the existence of a mole

No. That kill basically confirms the existence of a mole.

Right now there's like a 90% of it. If Kraska flips scum then that percentage goes up to like 99%

[Skrub]

thats not a response thats sidestepping the discussion.

this isnt the huggy feeling club. this isnt differing opinions. this is objective fact.

What objective fact? Do you even know what that means?

[Skrub]

If you're gonna make such a big deal about it then I'll vote mirhawk.

VOTE: mirhawk

I don't get what the big deal was. It still makes more sense to me to do it the other way around, but whatever

[Skrub]

VOTE: skrubp

The fuck is this for?

[Skrub]

If you're gonna make such a big deal about it then I'll vote mirhawk.

VOTE: mirhawk

I don't get what the big deal was. It still makes more sense to me to do it the other way around, but whatever

This seems pretty appeasy and unnecessary.

I just want to lynch scummy people. The other order is better, but in the end it doesn't matter as long as they flip scum

[Skrub]

vote skrub wme

i meandid you see that exchange we had?

I didn't but maybe I'll get bored and I will.
VOTE: skrub

I think you should do it now and come to your own conclusions. And pisskop, you never said what about that exchange prompted you to vote me

[Skrub]

People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we had light image reasons to scumread them. They were scummy as hell.

[Skrub]

People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we had

light image reasons

to scumread them. They were scummy as hell.

What does the underlined mean?

Legitimate reasons

People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we had light image reasons to scumread them. They were scummy as hell.

do a reads list pls

Ok. You too

also skrub who are you voting rn? who are you down to lynch today?

I'm voting mirhawk. I'm down to lynch him or you.

[Skrub]

People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we had

light image reasons

to scumread them. They were scummy as hell.

What does the underlined mean?

Legitimate reasons

You mean those things I've been asking for and not getting replies about?
Specific. Quotable. Reasons. Not merely "scummy as hell".
If you can't provide evidence, then it's not legitimate.

We have plenty of reasons back then. Were you not reading?

[Skrub]

I think Sircakez and maker of zanos are scum. Especially maker. Nothing about him screams town to me.

VOTE: maker

I'm still not sure why there's a wagon on me, but if you guys have any questions for me I'll answer all of them. This weekend has been much busier than I expected but I'll finally be able to be more active tonight.

Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlier

Actually though, you should probably unvote me.

I'm going to bed before I dig my hole any deeper, its literally 4am here

Worried that you will be lynched so early?

A bit, in large games once a wagon forms on you its difficult to get it off.

seriously tho enuff
lets focus on expedience and spyrex
whaddup expedience got any reads?

Hey, my reads are:
mhsmith0: town
nc: scum

I liked mhsmith0's posts, he seems relaxed and town

NC's entrance was kinda feeble / strained. He doesn't really think House and I are scum together I'm sure, even if he is town.

House / rb are unreadable to me atm.

Everyone else didn't do enough to tell

You feel overanalytical.

~Zanos

PS: BTD6 is either ~BTD6 or ~Maker; I am pretty much everything else.

How did you get overly analytical from that? My reads had pretty simple explanations.

Alright, thanks for actually telling me.

Perhaps questionably obtained reads would've been a better choice. This thread is a mess of ****posting so I don't see where you get so many reads from unless you are scum.

Pedit: I'm good w/ an EXP wagon.
VOTE: Expedience

also this is scum

i thought the same until i realized this was lynchbait that scum would jump on

His reasoning is obviously fake trying to find excuses to join my wagon.

That should be a red flag for your read being wrong on me, not the other way around.

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself. Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification. Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me.

At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.

If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

I didn't vote you because you were a popular wagon though. I voted you because your posts are scummy as hell. So its not outright hypocrisy, its me calling you out on bullshit. And I like how you admitted in the next sentence that you only voted me because I'm a popular wagon and that you tried to justify it. Thanks for letting us all know that you don't really have a scum read on me.

I said that from your perspective I am voting you because you are the most popular wagon. That is the way you see it. If you have a scumread on me for that, you must also accept that I can have a genuine scum read on you for voting the most popular wagon. Also, I said "at worst". I do not know whether you genuinely scumread me (I'm not telepathic) but I know I genuinely scumread you. You are free to cast shade on that but if you do then you must also accept that others can have genuine suspicions about your read on me.

Your case is slowly degrading into outright misrep.

~Maker

I am phone posting here. I may have time to go in depth tomorow. Here is the Skrub stuff I noticed.

I have skimmed your posts and got a scumread. By analysing I mean analysing in more depth. Notice I said "analyse Skrub

more

".
It is better than nothing as voting a scumread is better than not voting at all. I will wait for my other head's opinion on the matter. Your post is a very weak rebuttal.

~Maker

You gave a weak post without any real content. It didn't give me much to reply to. What exactly did you scum read in my posts?

It was more gut from your tone from just skimming your posts. Like I said, I will go into more detail when I explain in depth.

Skrub's vote on MoZ is so bad

What's bad about it?

Just seemed to me like you saw the wagon building up on you and just voted for the brand new counterwagon cuz you were in a shitty spot.


Why do you think SirCakez is scum

Nah, that's what maker did. I'll go in depth on my Cakez read later

I'll go in depth on my Skrub read later.

In all honesty, you accuse me of doing a lot of things that you do yourself.

Your posts seem very like you voted the most popular wagon and attempted a justification.

Vifam picked up on it and you are now accusing me.
At best, you are no better than me. At worst, this is outright hypocrisy.

If something is scummy when I do it, it's scummy when you do it

. You are not somehow exempt from being scumread by your own tells.

~Maker

How did I misrep you?

@Maker That's one of the weakest "cases" I've ever seen. You just said that you think my posts are generic. That's not inherently scummy and its not like there's much I can say to defend myself. I don't think my posts have been generic and I'm sure you'll say that in your opinion they look that way. All I can say to that is okay. That doesn't really invite any discussion and its a safe way of casting shade.

[Skrub]

I'm gonna reread some isos

[Skrub]

Trimming things down a bit...

Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlier

What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos

What's horrible about calling a post OMGUS?

VOTE: Skrub

You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.

I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.

~Maker

This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.

So it actually is OMGUS, eh?

I read those exact same Maker posts as town. Got anything else?

His comment about OMGUS was directed to expedience, not me. Did you see what he quoted when he said that? That reaction made absolutely no sense

[Skrub]

And you said nobody gave reasons for voting him. I've shown that reasons were given. Other people had their own reasons and if you can go back and read them if you still think nobody gave any

[Skrub]

And you said nobody gave reasons for voting him. I've shown that reasons were given. Other people had their own reasons and you can go back and read them if you still think nobody gave any

Fixed

[Skrub]

@frozen angel

Sorry, but can you put me as v/la on weekends? My professors have been dumping a lot of work on me lately that tends to fall on the weekend.

I'll post stuff later today

[Skrub]

Can't we all just get along?

[Skrub]

Can't we all just get along?

I mean, we could no lynch and hope that scum go along with this plan?

I just meant that people should stop fighting over dumb stuff and being antagonistic for no reason and just focus on playing

[Skrub]

Space dandy doesn't seem like they're ever going to do anything

[Skrub]

@Cerb: I've seen enough of you BS'ing someone on a catchup that I wouldn't fall for it.
As far as I am aware, this game has a lot of roles that I try to avoid.

...

How do you know about what roles are in this game?

I'm interested in hearing the answer to this

[Skrub]

Super friends activate form of a power lynch

The Collective, assemble!
VOTE: space dandy

but skrubs

Use your words, man

[Skrub]

If we're policy lynching people, DrippingGoofball should be next

[Skrub]

I think it's mostly because of the trolling and how hard it is to keep up with the thread

[Skrub]

Its how eagerly hes embraced it.

It feels like you're looking for any excuse to all me scummy

[Skrub]

*call

[Skrub]

If we're policy lynching people, DrippingGoofball should be next

Why?
DGB is a very good power player when given the time and space to work. As long as they get their head into the game that is...

Look at her ISO. She's barely posted at all and almost all of her posts are naked votes. She's not helping the town, so she should go

[Skrub]

If we're policy lynching people, DrippingGoofball should be next

Why?
DGB is a very good power player when given the time and space to work. As long as they get their head into the game that is...

Look at her ISO. She's barely posted at all and almost all of her posts are naked votes. She's not helping the town, so she should go

A lot of people should go. Why would we start with a potentially strong player over someone who is typically weaker?

Who would you PL instead?

[Skrub]

Dandy disappeared again lol

[Skrub]

I'm a miller.

I like it quick and painless.

Considering the rest of the iso that miller claim is pretty sketch

Grapes already died

[Skrub]

@DS
I figured that after I made that post

[Skrub]

Is this scum theater or something?

[Skrub]

LYCH SKJRUB

For what? Calling you out on a forced interaction?

[Skrub]

For what? Calling you out on a forced interaction?

last time i ask this
who is scum and who is town

Scum:dandy, dgb, you
Kind of scummy: mirhawk, pisskop
Townlean: diamondsentinel, mathblade, Cerberus
Townlean: spyrex, Davesaz, Sircakez, klingoncelt

I'm not sure about everyone else

[Skrub]

VOTE: Skrub

Random, why is the skrub wagon shit? I want to lynch either slot who the wagon abruptly veered away from yesterday.

why is skrub scum?

I have no idea. I have natural suspicion for people who have sudden counterwagon rise to defend them, but I'm not involved enough in the game to have any more reason than that.

I'm the counterwagon to Kraska though

[Skrub]

Perhaps youd like to share your role list.

I made that post in direct response to Cerb's post claiming that there was a PGO and a poison doc. That sort of shit isn't the kind of role I'm comfortable with in games that I design. Stuff like Poisoner, PGO, Poison-doc, etc. All that and my role are the roles I'm talking about. If people are going to scumread me on that alone, I'm not going to live long in this game. I don't want to replace out, either, because while my own posting and sensibilities run the risk of getting me lynched in any game, I've got the compounded issue that I haven't thoroughly read the last 100 pages nor have I been an active part of the bulk of this game's content. Perhaps a different player could come in, be active, and do my slot justice. However, I'm willing to eat rope for being a shitty player and I'm not going to just flake because I see this as an uphill battle.


Now that I'm replacing into this on my main, expect me to be around much more.
Sorry for not giving this game the attention it deserves.
If that deserves a lynch, then, sure, fuck it, drive me home, but I will tell you that my wagon is shit as of now. A bunch of wayward sheep, parroting a very poor reason for a scumread. If I generate content and people take umbrage with it, that's one thing, but otherwise? I'm not having it.

Okay, so start giving us reasons not to vote for you

[Skrub]

Why do you believe that, Skrub?
Also, are all the rest of your scumreads low-hanging fruit like me?
Why do you have the town-reads that you do and why do you have the scumreads that you do?
What has DGB and Kraska done that you think is for-a-fact scum?
Explain your spyrex, Davesaz, Sircakez, and klingoncelt reads, too.

P-EDIT:
I'm not going to conjure those out of thin air. Doing so would be arbitrary and self-serving. Fuck that. I'm going to focus on catching scum and if I eat rope or a bullet between now and a victory, that's on me. I'm not claiming my role or coming up with something to magically give you a townread on me.

You have to make the decision whether or not now is the time to push through a lynch on me. If you're town, does my play up to this point warrant me being lynched over everyone else? If you're scum, does my actual entry to the game provide enough of a threat that you need to push out a mislynch while I'm still an easy lynch to get?

Either way, I feel that lynching me now does town a disservice. Obviously, you can't know my alignment, so I could see you saying, "Shit, we might be letting scum-Varsoon wiggle his way out of this." Once again, I have to ask, "Is there really no one else you have a more informed scumread on?"

I wasn't really asking you to list out reasons. I just meant start doing stuff.

That Vifam death thing really shouldn't just be swept under the rug. It's ridiculous how quickly we tossed that out and acted like it didn't matter. A or was killed after saying they'd investigate Kraska. Why would we just left Kraska off the hook and act like it's impossible for her and someone who was in the hood to be scum? Dgb has been a lurker throughout the game and then right after I called her out on it she magically appeared and started making real posts. It felt off to me. You lurked like crazy too and it's entirely possible that you thought you could just fly under the radar, so I think pressuring you is a great way of spending my time. The people I have as town just strike me as people who are actually trying to game solve and their posts don't have any scum motivation that I can see.

[Skrub]

*a pr

[Skrub]

Geez, I was hoping to come back and realize that the conversation had somehow evolved to something useful in the last couple days. But nope, it still sucks. I don't even want to read the interveneing pages becuase I'm almost certain nothing of note happened on them.

Has Kraska given any sort of reason for not warning that she was a PGO on day one? Or perhaps a reason her iso looks like she's trying to draw a visit from town more then scum? As far as I'm concerned if you're not going to try and draw a scumkill as a PGO you're kinda obligated to warn town about your role so you don't end up (for example) murdering the town gunsmith.

Also some of you guys seriously need to skim Scrubs iso's from some of his completed games, It's super obvious he's mailing it in here. He isn't a new player and apparently he actually does things like "actually look for scum" in his other games, even his scumgames. The only reason I can think of for him not doing so here is because he thinks he doesn't have to, which feels like a scum attitude because his current reads are garbage. His literal top scumreads are on lurkers FOR LURKING. So weak.

The most common complaint against me in my games is that I don't scum hunt enough. I always try to do it, but I guess I suck at doing it properly. I don't know how you can say I'm not scum hunting though when you and half the people in this game aren't doing anything at all. It's weak that your only attack against me is meta.

[Skrub]

The most common complaint against me in my games is that I don't scum hunt enough. I always try to do it, but I guess I suck at doing it properly. I don't know how you can say I'm not scum hunting though when you and half the people in this game aren't doing anything at all. It's weak that your only attack against me is meta.

You have four scumreads as of a couple pages ago right? why are you scum reading those particular players.

The thing I see in your meta that I don't see here is justification and you actually pushing your reads. The reads were what? Two lurkers, me (the lurkiest player in the neighborhood) and Kraksa (who I don't think I've ever seen you post reasons for thinking she's a good vote).

You account is an alt so I don't know if you get accused of that on your main, but you other games on this account do actually look like your trying to find scum. I just don't see that here, I feel that you're more just trying to look present.

Why do you believe that, Skrub?
Also, are all the rest of your scumreads low-hanging fruit like me?
Why do you have the town-reads that you do and why do you have the scumreads that you do?
What has DGB and Kraska done that you think is for-a-fact scum?
Explain your spyrex, Davesaz, Sircakez, and klingoncelt reads, too.

P-EDIT:
I'm not going to conjure those out of thin air. Doing so would be arbitrary and self-serving. Fuck that. I'm going to focus on catching scum and if I eat rope or a bullet between now and a victory, that's on me. I'm not claiming my role or coming up with something to magically give you a townread on me.

You have to make the decision whether or not now is the time to push through a lynch on me. If you're town, does my play up to this point warrant me being lynched over everyone else? If you're scum, does my actual entry to the game provide enough of a threat that you need to push out a mislynch while I'm still an easy lynch to get?

Either way, I feel that lynching me now does town a disservice. Obviously, you can't know my alignment, so I could see you saying, "Shit, we might be letting scum-Varsoon wiggle his way out of this." Once again, I have to ask, "Is there really no one else you have a more informed scumread on?"

I wasn't really asking you to list out reasons. I just meant start doing stuff.

That Vifam death thing really shouldn't just be swept under the rug. It's ridiculous how quickly we tossed that out and acted like it didn't matter. A or was killed after saying they'd investigate Kraska. Why would we just left Kraska off the hook and act like it's impossible for her and someone who was in the hood to be scum? Dgb has been a lurker throughout the game and then right after I called her out on it she magically appeared and started making real posts. It felt off to me. You lurked like crazy too and it's entirely possible that you thought you could just fly under the radar, so I think pressuring you is a great way of spending my time. The people I have as town just strike me as people who are actually trying to game solve and their posts don't have any scum motivation that I can see.

It's pretty silly that you're trying to judge me based on meta when I've barely played any games on this account. It's even funnier to me because the Skrub meta is a little different from my normal meta. Instead of using that stuff to judge me, you should use my actual content in this game to judge me.

[Skrub]

Yeah I'll buy into that.

Vote: Scrub

I don't have to be at the center to support it right? I like to do my charity work from a distance.

^^
Lazy opportunism at its finest

[Skrub]

And that part about me not giving reasons for pushing Kraska is a blatant lie because I've done that repeatedly

[Skrub]

I am judging you by your actual content this game. I'm also comparing it to your other completed games that you've played with the same account.

You never actually answered my question about your scumreads there. Seeing as how that would be something from this game that I'm asking you about why aren't you interested in that?

You seem rather defensive. You've spent most of the game making reactionary posts to players who have either criticized or voted you, why is that.

If people tried to push a wagon on you throughout the entire game, why wouldn't you be defensive?

That's one I suppose, What about the others?

I explained all my reads there. Try actually reading instead of skimming.

[Skrub]

Your wagon is WELL shot of what it needs to go through. You've been defensive from the get go, even over one or two votes.

Your reasons for thinking dgb and Dandy are scum appears to be solely limited to one or two comments that they aren't posting much. The closest thing for a reason for PK seems to be.. omgus? You never actually explained anything for any of them.

@SpyreX
That is the dream.

Asking people why they voted for you isn't being defensive. And if you're just going to say whatever crap you want and act like its fact then you shouldn't even bother posting. I've explained myself five times over

[Skrub]

[Skrub]

I don't know what a counterwagon is so....

Pmuch scrubs scum got saved cause i swung maker d1

Who's being saved by the wagon on me?

[Skrub]

D1 gosh. The counter wagoneers would be saying you're scum dabbed by your scum bros helping me maker instead

Sorry, misread that

[Skrub]

What's the argument against me again? I can't remember what it was

[Skrub]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

[Skrub]

I'm losing motivation to play this game

[Skrub]

I don't want to give scum that satisfaction

[Skrub]

noone asked me shit. all i got was math saying im scum like a broken record
u can stop inventing shit now

pedit: @pisskop

Probably just a little salty that

1. You killed a town PR.
2. Having done so, you will not kill any scum.
3. Being almost certainly town due to your role, you're not providing more for us to sound board off of.

This assumes Kraska is telling the truth. Scum have this great PR called lying. They use it every game.

I ReALLY DOUBT KRASKA is a PGO

There's also this neat theory (I call it "DS's Theory on Lying") that states that "When given the opportunity, scum will lie as little as possible, as each lie is a liability and a point of weakness."

So, regardless of whether or not Kraska is scum, I wouldn't necessarily doubt that she is a PGO. She could be a scum PGO.

If you were the mod of a game with 2 scum teams, which one do you give the PGO to? And what do you give to the other team to Balance the 2 extra possible kills you are giving one side?

Wait, has it been confirmed that there's more than one scum team? Because you're talking as if there definitely is

[Skrub]

Honestly, this game would benefit from us just cutting the chaff.
There are 28 people alive.
I signed up because I intended to play a 20 player game, not a 32 player clusterfuck.
I'm not comfortable playing in this setting. I don't shine. I don't perform.

I just fail to produce anything of value.

That's why I'm voting Skrub.

Cut the chaff. Destroy the liabilities.

Hedge the game down to a manageable state.

the irony

[Skrub]

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Hey Scrub, who's scum and why? Anyone other than Kraska.

Hey, mirhawk, try reading the game. I've already said that you're scum and explained why I think that over and over again.

[Skrub]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

And you're still voting me because....?

[Skrub]

Fuck anime im no weaboo (<-- secretly watched 2.5 animes)

I know it's confirmed by the mod but I still think it doesn't make sense for explosions and biological weapons to be tied together, like how does that work? A bomb containing shrapnel that's actually an airborne virus?

Thad part of the reason why I don't believe Kraska is a pgo, let alone a town pgo

[Skrub]

Didn't mean to quote that first part

[Skrub]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

And you're still voting me because....?

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

Lazy shit like this pisses me the fuck off. You're basically saying that you don't care about my alignment at all and just want any lynch. Maybe klingoncelt was right about you being scum

VOTE: expedience

[Skrub]

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

Lazy shit like this pisses me the fuck off. You're basically saying that you don't care about my alignment at all and just want any lynch. Maybe klingoncelt was right about you being scum

VOTE: expedience

Oh exp is definitely scum, but i think you are too[/quote]
Based on what?

[Skrub]

Is there a case on skrub not relating to him voting who someone was nagging him to do or counter wagon stuff?

The other argument is that I'm defensive when people form wagons on me

Yea this is probably town #_#

And you're still voting me because....?

I really want this fucking day to end and you're already at like a lot of votes

Also, the mod confirmed the flavors were linked you realize.

Lazy shit like this pisses me the fuck off. You're basically saying that you don't care about my alignment at all and just want any lynch. Maybe klingoncelt was right about you being scum

VOTE: expedience

It's not lazy. Ask SPyrex when he comes back.

Look at where your vote is, now that's lazy. I'll never get lynched especially not at 2 votes.

There's nothing lazy about voting someone who scum claimed

[Skrub]

Hey, mirhawk, try reading the game. I've already said that you're scum and explained why I think that over and over again.

Oh right OMGUS, I forgot.

Do me a favor and explain it in more depth. While you're at it explain your scumreads on Dripping Goofball, Varsoon, and Pisskop.

Wtf is wrong with you? It's not OMGUS. I called you scum and voted for you way before you voted for me. And if you want the explanation look through my fucking ISO. I already explained it 5 trillion times. Why are you turning me into a broken record?

[Skrub]

Okay folks
VOTEU SCRUBBU
that reads list is shit

Have you even posted a reads list?

[Skrub]

Wtf is wrong with you? It's not OMGUS. I called you scum and voted for you way before you voted for me. And if you want the explanation look through my fucking ISO. I already explained it 5 trillion times. Why are you turning me into a broken record?

If you want to get all factual on me then yes, you did vote me before I voted you. I however did express that I found you suspicious in both 1755 and stated that TAM had a suspicious tendency to protect you in 1863. You responded to that with a vote on me in 1864, which was the first time you'd expressed any thoughts of me being scum at all. Also I'd like to point out that I spent the first while of the day voting for nobody at all so I'm not sure how me voting for you afterwards matters.

Also the sum of your case on me is you stating that I gave you a "bad vibe" (your actual words) in 1864, and maybe you saying that you agreed with Jager that lynching in the neighborhood was the most important thing to do and that I was the scummiest person in the neighborhood in 2107.

It's possible that you think that constitutes as an actual explanation for your read, so I'll give you a hint... It's not.

I think there's scum in the hood. You did absolutely nothing on day 1 and spent the entirety of this day death tunneling me using weak reasoning. You've misrepped me and tried to doubt cast me countless times. In my eyes all of this points to you being scum. I notice that you decided to completely ignore me when I asked for your other scumreads.

[Skrub]

Tbf I'm not enamored with this lynch but good enough we need like 8 more dead stat

This is my point. It feels like the wagon is constructed of this.

Yep that's cause it is. At least some. I mean id hammer my grandma about now

Don't give in to apathy. That's exactly what the scum want. Instead of playing into their hands, vote for someone you strongly feel is scum. I know that people like mirhawk are making the game unbearable to play right now, but could you please put some effort into the game?

[Skrub]

I am not discarding the fact that Kraska could be scum. But there is practically no chance whatsoever that kraska, or ANYONE, for that matter, is a serial killer.

Wake's Role Madness had an SK @ 42 players and the SK won.

Ok, good for it. I'm still going to assume that there's no SK.

Why?

[Skrub]

Actually, you know what? Fuck this game. I don't even care if I get lynched anymore. If town is dumb enough to mislynch people just because they're too lazy to actually scum hunt then we're just going to lose anyway. Do whatever you want. Peace.

VOTE: skrub

In the future, try lynching obvscum like Kraska and mirhawk instead of obvtown

[Skrub]

skrub go ahead and claim please

VT. Go ahead and lynch me and then after j flip town lunch the shit out of mirhawk

[Skrub]

Then we're going to lose. GG scum team

[Skrub]

I'm never playing in a game this big again. Everybody completely gave up after day 1 and doesn't care who gets lynched at all

[Skrub]

The trend of just Kuching anyone instead of obvscum will continue

[Skrub]

*lynching

[Skrub]

God damnit i just can't think this is scum

That's because he's obviously not...

Exactly! This is most balata not counterwagon ever and nobody gives a fuck! Like half the people who voted for me just said "skrub is bad", dropped a vote and then disappeared off into lurker land. Yet this is still gonna go through. Ugh, whatever...I'm going to leave for real now. Bye

[Skrub]

*blatant

[Skrub]

Hi. I'm sorry for overreacting before and self voting. Varsoon, you were right about me being a liability. I shouldn't have done that but h was just so frustrated because the wagon on me felt completely unjustified and I just wanted to give up. But it's not fair to you guys so I'm going to keep trying. If I still get lynches today then so be it. I'm seriously doubting my judgement right now so I'd appreciate it if you guys could lay out cases for your scumreads and convince me on where I should put my vote.

UNVOTE:

[Skrub]

Aristo, can you explain your read on me? I'm just wondering how you went from not having any strong feelings about me...

I'd consider Skrub, but I don't have a solid enough place here yet to make a proper case on anyone.
I can work on that though. I'm happy to just wagon atm.

Oggh, ninjas.

Scrub claimed VT.

We should be lynching Kraska.

Meh, I'd rather support a wagon that could actually happen. And VT claims are fine for lynches imo.

VOTE: Skrub

@Vedith

I don't see TAM scum here, but I disagree with you about Skrub,

@TAM, I just ended a game with him as scum. He played well, but I'm seeing similar patterns from him when he starts to get votes.

VOTE: Skrub

Worst Ideas meta?

Is that really a good idea?

... to suddenly being sure that I'm scum.

@Random,
That's cool. Once again, I like it! I just needed to know where you were coming from with it.
Let's Skrub out the Scum in this game!

#SkrubTheScum

It's a weird progression

[Skrub]

Just swing your vote on to TAM. It's your best bet for not being mislynch today #coachemup

Why TAM?

[Skrub]

Just swing your vote on to TAM. It's your best bet for not being mislynch today #coachemup

Why TAM?

Because he's a wagon counter to you. At this point the race has been narrowed down to a 2 or 3 horse race(depending about how you feel about Kraska/mirhawk - which should really be condensed into 1 wagon because one is only scum if the other is scum) unless there is a mass exodus off one of those wagons on to an unsuspecting scumslipper(varsoon/rm pref) then regardless of your alignment it's in your best interest to put your vote on one of the other horses. I think Kraska/mirhawk is town and teaches us way less than a TAM lynch. Numerous people have acted p shady around his wagon and unless you are aggressively acting against your alignment then that is the best lynch IMO.

Alright

VOTE: the ascended masters

[Skrub]

Just swing your vote on to TAM. It's your best bet for not being mislynch today #coachemup

Why TAM?

Because he's a wagon counter to you. At this point the race has been narrowed down to a 2 or 3 horse race(depending about how you feel about Kraska/mirhawk - which should really be condensed into 1 wagon because one is only scum if the other is scum) unless there is a mass exodus off one of those wagons on to an unsuspecting scumslipper(varsoon/rm pref) then regardless of your alignment it's in your best interest to put your vote on one of the other horses. I think Kraska/mirhawk is town and teaches us way less than a TAM lynch. Numerous people have acted p shady around his wagon and unless you are aggressively acting against your alignment then that is the best lynch IMO.

Alright

VOTE: the ascended masters

So what convinced you of them being likely scum? Or is this essentially just a survival vote?

I guess it's just survival

[Skrub]

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

[Skrub]

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

Nowhere, plus people getting sick of seeing the top two wagons stagnate. I also think a number of vanity wagon voters banded together to make a new wagon.

That doesn't sound promising

[Skrub]

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

Who do you think is a better lynch between me and Nosferatu? Why?

Probably you. It's pretty obvious that nosterafu's wagon is mostly comprised of scum. The wagon fell out of nowhere and got 9 votes in like 5 minutes. Nobody has even provided a case on him yet. Everyone is just like "he hasn't done much so let's lynch him". I don't know if nos is actually scum and the people on his wagon are from another faction or if he's a mislynch, but I'm just not comfortable with with quickly that all came together. You're a better lynch because you're the only other option

[Skrub]

The Nope is for the list of 10.

I do not lynch anyone that is not in my top 5 scumreads.

If y'all don't want to lynch in my top 5 or make an argument that causes my top 5 to change I don't see a reason to move my vote.

You realize this is anti-town, right?

[Skrub]

I like his Deku gif

[Skrub]

hey skrub you have shit to answer don't go running on me now

Who's running? I didn't see your question

Hi. Where the heck did this nosterafu wagon come from?

Who do you think is a better lynch between me and Nosferatu? Why?

Probably you. It's pretty obvious that nosterafu's wagon is mostly comprised of scum. The wagon fell out of nowhere and got 9 votes in like 5 minutes. Nobody has even provided a case on him yet. Everyone is just like "he hasn't done much so let's lynch him". I don't know if nos is actually scum and the people on his wagon are from another faction or if he's a mislynch, but I'm just not comfortable with with quickly that all came together. You're a better lynch because you're the only other option

It's obvious that Nosferatu's wagon is mostly composed of scum? Why? Why did the scum faction pop up and push through a third wagon when you were in the lead when I started pushing Nos and was the only real alternative wagon to me?

The case on him is not "he hasn't done much, let's lynch him" - the case on him is that he hasn't done

anything

, and when he does pop up the only thing he's doing is making half-assed attempts to make it look like he's kind of doing something (example: 2170. why would a townie who didn't give a shit about the game ask this question? if he was interested in it where's the followup where's the purpose? or here. why would he ask one person's reasons for voting a wagon that was already dead? why not ask why people are voting you (lead wagon he happens to be pushing along).

And hell, if you care about the case on him lacking, what are the good elements of the case against me? Who gave the case on me that you liked?

Nobody presented a case on you that I liked. But you've been acting really erratic ever since the nos wagon formed. Like you're ridiculously desperate for it to go through and I don't believe that you believe in it. So basically the tone of your posts just rubs me the wrong way.

[Skrub]

The Nope is for the list of 10.

I do not lynch anyone that is not in my top 5 scumreads.

If y'all don't want to lynch in my top 5 or make an argument that causes my top 5 to change I don't see a reason to move my vote.

You realize this is anti-town, right?

I think it is anti town to not lynch in your top scumreads when there is a shit ton of time left.
You want me to vote your wagon you have to convince me.
That is how Mafia works.

You basically said that if we don't lynch one of your scumreads then your going to leave your vote parked on a vanity wagon. That's anti town as hell seeing as how it doesn't benefit us at all. You're not even really listening to what other people are saying because you're so deep in your death tunnel

[Skrub]

But you've been acting really erratic ever since the nos wagon formed. Like you're ridiculously desperate for it to go through and I don't believe that you believe in it. So basically the tone of your posts just rubs me the wrong way.

How have I been acting erratic lately? By "erratic", do you mean that I've been active and posting a lot?
Why don't you think that I believe in the Nos wagon?

You're also missing the part of question where you explain why it's "obvious" that there are scum on Nos and who those scum are exactly.

Go back and look at the posts where people dropped their votes on him and it becomes clear as day.

You're erratic because you're flailing all over the place and trying way too hard to justify your vote on nosterafu. Yeah you're more active now, but the way you're talking and playing is completely different from how you were on day 1. I know that a wagon is on you now, but that doesn't explain why your posts come across as forced and desperate. I don't know why I feel like you don't believe in the nos wagon. That's just the impression that I'm getting

[Skrub]

Go back and look at the posts where people dropped their votes on him and it becomes clear as day.

I saw people vote Nosferatu. Show me why they are obvious scum.

Its not rocket science. One second he had no votes and nobody cared about him. The next second someone said "nos hasn't done anything so lets lynch him!" and then a shit ton of people popped out of the wood work to drop a vote and disappear. Its mislynch 101

[Skrub]

You're erratic because you're flailing all over the place and trying way too hard to justify your vote on nosterafu. Yeah you're more active now, but the way you're talking and playing is completely different from how you were on day 1. I know that a wagon is on you now, but that doesn't explain why your posts come across as forced and desperate. I don't know why I feel like you don't believe in the nos wagon. That's just the impression that I'm getting

"Flailing all over the place" - I've been responding to people's arguments against me, I've been pushing Nos, I've been... occasionally offering commentary outside of that? How is that flailing all over the place?

Yes, I'm completely different from Day 1. There's a wagon on me. Remember when you were completely different when there was a big wagon on you?

Or did you forget now that the lynch looks more like me/Nos

? If you think that I'm forcing a case on Nos, I'd be happy to see where you think I'm forcing it. Do you have any particular arguments that you thought were weak?

This is the type of thing I'm talking about. You sound like scum trying to deflect things onto other people. I even said in that post that I was aware that having a wagon on you probably influenced your change in behavior. But I don't think that it completely explains why you're acting so drastically different

[Skrub]

Go back and look at the posts where people dropped their votes on him and it becomes clear as day.

I saw people vote Nosferatu. Show me why they are obvious scum.

Its not rocket science. One second he had no votes and nobody cared about him. The next second someone said "nos hasn't done anything so lets lynch him!" and then a shit ton of people popped out of the wood work to drop a vote and disappear. Its mislynch 101

Or it's a fast wagon 101.
Did you know that sometimes townies vote people and wagons grow really quickly? Like the Zanos wagon?

Wagon speed doesn't actually have anything to do with alignment

; there are a lot of players in this game in particular who are amendable to fast wagons and so calling a player "town" for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with what they've done this game is typically setting yourself up for failure.

That's just not true

[Skrub]

This is the type of thing I'm talking about. You sound like scum trying to deflect things onto other people. I even said in that post that I was aware that having a wagon on you probably influenced your change in behavior. But I don't think that it completely explains why you're acting so drastically different

"So drastically different"? How am I acting so drastically different? Why does that matter?
If I'm acting differently than I was before, then that means... that I'm acting differently than I was before. I share the same alignment that I did yesterday. What point are you trying to make here?

I made the point 5 years ago but you just want t keep asking a bunch of useless questions. The point is that I don't like how you're acting that's it. There doesn't need to be a super detailed reason behind everything that something thinks. I just don't like how you're acting. That's it. Call it a gut feeling or whatever that this is scum behavior

[Skrub]

That's just not true

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66021

Look at the day 1 wagon. It was really fast. It hit scum.
There is nothing that prevents townies from voting a wagon into creation quickly. There is nothing that prevents townies from creating a scum wagon quickly. The "fast wagons are always mislynches" theory is based on scum somehow ramming through town mislynches by voting really really quickly which isn't really something that I've ever seen.

In almost every game I've played there have been wagons that formed and went through quickly. And almost every time its a mislynch.

[Skrub]

Now I have to go home and get my prescriptions. I will be on later but I swear this is probably my last game on MS for a while since they don't follow the damn wikis.

It is following the wiki. You just don't understand what people are trying to tell you

[Skrub]

Can we just lynch TAM already?

[Skrub]

I think KTS is a Jester. I also want to take a stab at his flavor, I bet he is Mad Pierrot.

Why do you think he's a jester?

[Skrub]

He is all over the place trying to get everyone's attention, he is not being too scummy, but just enough to try and get lynched. Add that to Nero's claim, and it kinda makes sense.

Is this how he usual plays spouting off nonsense?

I mean he devoted a bunch of posts making up some dragon ball thingy trying to get attention.

I've only played with him once but he doesn't seem that different from how he was in that game. And he was town there. I don't think he's trying to get anyone's attention though

[Skrub]

It seems like we're just talking in circles at this point. This isn't my prefered wagon but there's no point int dragging things out even further.

VOTE: nosterafu

Nos, claim please.
If there's a vig, I'd appreciate it if you shot TAM.

[Skrub]

this is L-1

[Skrub]

@sircakez

I've been saying the whole time that the nod wagon is bad but nobody cares and they just want to argue about stupid shit so I just want the day to end now. The NKs wagon is an obvious TAM counterwagon. That's why I asked for a vig shot on them

[Skrub]

@sircakez

I've been saying the whole time that the nos wagon is bad but nobody cares and they just want to argue about stupid shit so I just want the day to end now. The Nos wagon is an obvious TAM counterwagon. That's why I asked for a vig shot on them

EBWOP

[Skrub]

Nobody was willing to compromise so I had to give in

[Skrub]

@sircakez

When I switched my vote, TAM was at like 8 and nosterafu had 13. People were just arguing about the same random stuff they'd been arguing about for 50 pages and nobody seemed willing to move their vote in order to get a lynch. Would you have preferred for me to sit around and just let a no lynch happen? I'm glad to see people coming around on TAM being scum though

VOTE: the ascended masters

[Skrub]

It's sucks how this game ended up :/ Well, it was fun while it lasted.