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Post Post #2550 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:02 am

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In post 2549, MichelSableheart wrote:If I have to point out one moment where I feel I contributed to the town, I would have to point at my day 3 play. Not only did I realize there I was wrong about giga and adjust my reads accordingly, but I also feel I was pretty instrumental in getting shadow lynched.
^ this is the kind of answer i was expecting

but ty! (also I agree that your thought process looks like it's the most likely to come from a town perspective)

Elyse, if you can try to answer the question the same way, that would help
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Post Post #2551 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:11 pm

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In post 1590, Elyse wrote:I'm good with a Shadow or Blitz lynch.

Blitz has done nothing townie at all. It's just a scumslot, there's nothing else to it.

Shadow saying that he was playing lynchbaity so he could get results seems like BS to me because he's a vanilla cop. Like maybe I could see that if he was an actual good role, but vanilla cop sucks. It doesn't add up. The check on me is also very convenient because if he's scum, he knows I'm telling the truth and doesn't have to worry about calling a PR vanilla.
If you look through my ISO I didn't really interact with scum at all (besides Michel, but you don't know that). Until this post. I wouldn't narrow down my lynch choices for the day to my two scumbuddies. It's just not reasonable.
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Post Post #2552 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:13 pm

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Also if Titus was my scumbuddy I'd totally be more invested in this game. I've always wanted to be scum with her.
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Post Post #2553 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:24 pm

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In post 2551, Elyse wrote:If you look through my ISO I didn't really interact with scum at all (besides Michel, but you don't know that). Until this post. I wouldn't narrow down my lynch choices for the day to my two scumbuddies. It's just not reasonable.
It kind of is when there's an implied guilty on one of them (Shadow... come on, look at how is wagon formed: it was entirely town and the reasoning of most of the voters was extremely weak. definitely a wagon with a guilty around it and even i noticed it), and the other one was widely scumread...

Like I can believe that someone would bus so eagerly because we already know that the third mafia player already knew that they would have to play the "deep townie" or whatever it's called. like that they basically had to bus both of their buddies and hope that town has enough lynchbait and nightkill bait that you can survive lylo alone without raising eyebrows. i think michel and you both could have played that role, but you were a D1 wagon which means that there was enough suspicion on you that you really needed to bus... not so much Michel.

that's pretty much the biggest :?: regarding your slot i think

that and also your reaction to mhsmith dying was ??? and i have no idea how to read it :?

although having mhsmith here would be really nice because he's good at lylo :(
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Post Post #2554 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:24 pm

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In post 2552, Elyse wrote:Also if Titus was my scumbuddy I'd totally be more invested in this game. I've always wanted to be scum with her.
i want to believe this though

i would die to be scumbuddies with titus too so i mean
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Post Post #2555 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:01 pm

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My reaction to mhsmith dying was just stupidity lol.

I also don't think that if I was set up to be the "deep townie", Shadow would fake a result on me. Seems unnecessary to potentially join us together like that.
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Post Post #2556 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:07 pm

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In post 2555, Elyse wrote:My reaction to mhsmith dying was just stupidity lol.

I also don't think that if I was set up to be the "deep townie", Shadow would fake a result on me. Seems unnecessary to potentially join us together like that.
hm...

almost forgot about that.
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Post Post #2557 (ISO) » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:16 pm

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In post 2555, Elyse wrote:My reaction to mhsmith dying was just stupidity lol.

I also don't think that if I was set up to be the "deep townie", Shadow would fake a result on me. Seems unnecessary to potentially join us together like that.

Claiming that he wouldn't fake on you because it would lead us to you is a WIFOM argument. You are essentially arguing that faking a result on his partner is good for him, but because we know this, he becomes less likely to do it. As soon as he thinks we might think that, he becomes more likely again to fake on his partner.

All else being equal, Shadow would love to confirm his partners claim, because as long as he doesn't die, it makes you less likely to die as well. So the base action is likely to be done scum. From a neutral viewpoint, WIFOM can lessen the strength of that base argument somewhat, but to claim that it makes you town is ridiculous.
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Post Post #2558 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:52 am

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 5.07



Elyse (L-1) : MichelSableheart, gigabyteTroubadour.

MichelSableheart (L-2) : Elyse.

Not Voting (1) : kraska77.

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Post Post #2559 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:25 am

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That aggressive tone shift though...

Anyway my point was that if I was scum being setup to go deep then Shadow WOULDN'T still be alive. So it's more risk than reward
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Post Post #2560 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:27 am

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Ugh i need more time to decide

I'll get to this tom morning
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Post Post #2561 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:45 am

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If I was too aggressive there, I apologize, but we can't afford you influencing kraska and giga with nonsense.

You're claiming town points for it, so what risk are you talking about? If you can correctly claim townpoints, then there's no higher risk of getting lynched. And vice versa, if there's a higher risk of getting lynched, it's because this action is more likely to come from scum and you shouldn't get townpoints for it.
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Post Post #2562 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:08 am

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The risk that people would say Shadow could fake a result on his buddy because I would back up what he said. I mean this point may be moot because I had already claimed VT at the time, but Shadow WAS a vanilla cop. I doubt he actually checked me since he knew I was town and thus telling the truth (though you can never tell anymore). But it seems like an unnecessary risk to lie about his check and say he checked me (if I'm his buddy) rather than reveal his actual check. The only way this would make sense is to hide a PR find from town, but if scum have a doc then they probably assumed there wasn't another protective role out there. Even though there was lol
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Post Post #2563 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:48 am

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UNVOTE: Elyse

she might be winning me over

i reread the later days and i'm feeling her less as a titus partner. might have to go into detail here so give me a second.
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Post Post #2564 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:03 pm

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In post 2563, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:she might be winning me over
Really? :/


Hmmm
I still think it's her
But it's hard to say so with certainty when both elyse and Michel have done nothing this game
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Post Post #2565 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:15 pm

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VOTE: elyse
Looked at day 1 votecounts and I don't really get the feeling that Michel and blitz+shadow were a unit
theres a lot of gooey scum substance surrounding Shadows "check" on elyse. the way elyse was unanimous to the whole thing and echoing what others were saying rather than add something novel to the table makes me feel better about this vote
most importantly, elyse was never gamesolving, Michel was.
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Post Post #2566 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:18 pm

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It's hammer time imo
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Post Post #2567 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:15 pm

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@Elyse: So you take something that is likely to come from scumpartners, and you say that because it's likely to come from scumpartners, scum wouldn't do it, which makes you town. That's the definition of WIFOM reasoning.

Fact is that you had already claimed VT, so you were a logical nighttarget for a town vanilla cop. So shadow claiming to have investigated you makes both your claims more believable. At low risk, because until you claimed the oppositie today, noone brought up the argument that shadow must have investigated his scumbuddy.

@Giga: I'm wondering what you think you found. Because from my POV, Elyse' interactions with blitz make perfect sense for scumbuddies. She ignored her most of the time, and distanced when the goon got under heavy pressure.
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Post Post #2568 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:47 pm

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OK, I didn't realize the deadline...

VOTE: Elyse

I'm really not sold, but this is still where I am. no lynching to give us more time (i.e. the mafia shoots me or kraska, other gamesolves) sounds dumb, so let's just end it.

Really sorry if I'm wrong.
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Post Post #2569 (ISO) » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:54 pm

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So...we're you town elyse?
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Post Post #2570 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:59 am

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 5.08



Elyse (L-0) : MichelSableheart, kraska77, gigabyteTroubadour.

MichelSableheart (L-2) : Elyse.

Not Voting (0) : No one.

A lynch has been achieved. Prepare for the flip.

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Post Post #2571 (ISO) » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:00 pm

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Elyse has been lynched. She was
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Please send me your night actions as quick as possible. The night will end in either 48 hours or when all living players have sent a PM to me, requesting to end the night phase, whichever is earlier.

Night ends in (expired on 2016-10-17 00:00:00)
PMs received 3/3.

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Post Post #2572 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:34 am

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kraska77 was found dead near her home. She was
Vanilla Town
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gigabyteTroubadour was surrounded by MichelSableheart. Having lost their voting majority, the town was doomed. The last member of the town, was killed swiftly by MichelSableheart, who satisfied with his victory, finally smiled and sat near the bodies, happy with his work. gigabyteTroubadour was an
Ascetic
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After a while, MichelSableheart went near the graves of Shadow_step and Titus. He thanked them for their efforts, and proceeded to sit nearby reminiscing of the events of the past 5 days. He was the one and only
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Congratulations to the Mafia team of MichelSableheart, Shadow_step and Titus for the victory!
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Post Post #2573 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:37 am

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Post Post #2574 (ISO) » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:39 am

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