Micro 651: Worst (Role) Idea(s) Mafia 2 (Fin - Town Win!)

[Vedith]

VOTE: Maruchan
Because expressing my hate for this guy just isn't enough!

[Vedith]

What's your Deal with skrubs, Light?

[Vedith]

Did Skrub just scum claim? O.o

[Vedith]

I didn't like 14 from Vedith all that much.
VOTE: Vedith

VOTE: Vedith

Because: reasons

Both confirmed scum with Skrub.
Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

It really does sound like you're claiming SK

Although your vote is good, who's to say that he's a bad SK?
I believe there is town SK's in the thread I'll look later to confirm.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Maruchan
Need to save my scum buddy!

VOTE: Ari
Like fuck are you town with that entrance!

[Vedith]

Town, you have no benefit in lynching me. I will fullclaim day 2.

No harm in trying. Playing that double double fakey
Ari, get some town points and vote with me.

VOTE: TierShift

[Vedith]

So apparently everyone but me wants to be lynched before lylo
Vaxkiller is probably scum here...I'm not seeing 4 other town yet... Other than Jaack is actually probably town. But who knows.

[Vedith]

Too many to pick from

[Vedith]

I'm voting scum you skrub!

[Vedith]

You're voting tiershift lol. Can you explain the reads you have so far?

Yeah, he's obviously scum trying to play the "I'm neutral" card.

Scum/not town
Tiershift
Maruchan
VaxKiller
Skrub

Meh
Light

Meh to town
Ari
+_+

More town
Jaack

We have what, 2 neutral claims so far and neither of them seem like a SK with their play or comments.
So that's 3 neutral if true, meaning only 1 scum.
If lying, they are scum trying to hide as neutral.

13) At least 50% (5 or more) of the players in this game are town.

[Vedith]

I thought there always had to be a scum team regardless?

[Vedith]

@Tier

Why don't you just fullclaim now and let us decide if its better to lynch you day 1 or 2?

Because he's either scum or probably gains something anti town if targeted at night.

[Vedith]

In your opinion, he's scum or scum?

In a "normal" game I would agree, but something tells me it's a "worst idea" to give townies new abilities if targeted at night.

UNVOTE:

He's scum or anti town.
Regardless, he's a good lynch for today.

[Vedith]

I am third party and I am requesting that the SK teams up with me. SK, you can do that by killing me at night.

I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.

I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.

I am requesting that the SK teams up with me.

You want to team up with the SK. This means that you can win with the SK.
And you have already said that you will team up with them, meaning you are not teaming with town.

This is why you should be lynched.

[Vedith]

Tier is talking bullshit. To know that he would change the SK win con means that he either screws over the SK (which hes already claimed doesnt) or it would give knowledge of the SKS wincon to him, which I highly doubt.
I can see scum pulling this gambit, even more so if they gain something out of it tomorrow.
If he was truly confirmable tomorrow and can't die tonight then there would be no reason not to full claim and let us decide if it's believable.

[Vedith]

You claimed that the SK can team up with you (your words, not mine), you have claimed to not be town.
This alone is anti town.
You claimed that the SK win condition changes when targeting you.
I do not recall seeing a role in the thread where you change the wincon on an SK (or possibly anyone attacking you).
You have not "basically" claimed your role, you are saying that you can be confirmed on day 2. If this was true, and you have a night immunity which you are implying, then you would claim this.
SK targeting you does not confirm your role.

[Vedith]

I already explained how the teaming up works so fuck off

Then you have a different view on "teaming up".
You haven't really explained it apart from SK wincon is changed.
This could help the SK against us. Why should we take that chance for you to give a bollocks claim tomorrow?

As it stands, you are easily the closet person to being scum here.

[Vedith]

Would agree on either!

No one wants you here, Ari! :<

[Vedith]

Right. Because I didn't want to be lynched.

I hope you see that the SK is more likely to target me if I frame it as teaming up rather than changing wincon

This is scum/anti town 100%

[Vedith]

How is people coming out of the third party closet (announcing themselves) bad for us??

Because the entire focus then goes to them in game.
That's bad imo... This would be good for scum though, to hide under the radar... That's just my 2 pence, carry on.

[Vedith]

I think Skrub is scum. Discuss.

Very plausible.

[Vedith]

You're not town, your posts don't matter. :<

[Vedith]

Plus, I haven't indicated that I CAN'T win with the town, nor have I indicated a willingness to win with any other faction, unlike Tierce, so you'd think that you'd be more willing to listen to me than to tierce

See, this is neutral that I trust

[Vedith]

Maruchan is less likely to screw us than Tier. Tier needs to die first at least

[Vedith]

See, I just don't like how Tier is wording stuff and changing stuff.
He's already confirmed that he doesn't have the same wincon as us.
After re checking my role pm, I

Only

win with town. This means that there can be no neutral or scum alive.
We already know 2 non town players. We cannot win with either. This means a maximum of 2 more non town. But as Ari already stated, it could mean that there are 7 town.

Today we really should be lynching where we know.

[Vedith]

My role says I can win with town

I exit the game when I win

You can see that this is an out right lie.
How can he win with town, while his win con happens before game end?

[Vedith]

ou are town, and win if only town players are alive.

So this is what Tier tried to call me a liar for.
He cannot win with town. So lets lynch him.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - We lynch Tier today and skrub tomorrow, sound good?

Tier gains something over night, or has something tomorrow during the day.
This is why he's trying to push to survive until tomorrow. Otherwise he wouldn't claim to be confirmed tomorrow without actually telling us what is it.

I worry that his win con involves removing him and another player.

[Vedith]

Nobody has any comments on this?

I had nothing to add or say on the matter.

[Vedith]

@MOD - Light is voting Tier?

[Vedith]

Lol, how I imagine Light right now.

[Vedith]

Ah okay.
At least we know he didn't lie there.

[Vedith]

Is that a lynch?

[Vedith]

So you can alter your vote after going against post restriction?

[Vedith]

Why is he scum 100%?

[Vedith]

@Ari - Why do you think that the hammer was an accident?

So we have to consider 2 killing powers tonight.
If this is the case, a mistake lynch is 3 town going in with the possibility of 2 deaths.

This is the thing with Skrub. As scum/sk he gains nothing by wanting to keep Tier alive, not even town cred. The focus on Skrub just seems easy.
If he was scum he would have been all over the Tier lynch from the start.
If he was sk he would have taken the lynch just to take the idea of him being sk away.
I don't think that he should be lynched on the Tier voting reason.

Jaack seems overly confident that I'm town here. I could have asked the mod of a standard wincon before hand so this worries me but apart from that I get town solid plays.

Work time - more on this later

[Vedith]

But Tier confirmed that he wasn't town... Where would the town cred be for not lynching a confirmed non town?

[Vedith]

I don't get your point. There's a difference to Tier playing anti town and not being town.
When someone says "I'm neutral" that confirms that they are not town. There was absolutely no town cred to be gained on lynching Tier.

[Vedith]

I'll get to stuff this weekend.
Been a busy week

[Vedith]

Only scum lurk. Known fact.
Ari = scum.

[Vedith]

I'm not sure what to think about you anymore Vedith. I'm pretty sure I've heard you contradict your self here compared to other games.

I don't understand you here. Do you think that I contradict myself in other games or no?

[Vedith]

I could have sworn I'd posted...

You still can!

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure I said ito in our newbie game.
However, my comment on Ari was an obvious joke.

[Vedith]

Never fear, Vedith is here!
I think Vax or Light need to be the lynch today. Neither of them ping me as town, and I've stated why Jaack and Skrub would be bad lynches.

[Vedith]

The only thing keeping me from thinking your scum is the fact you could have just jumped on the easy Skrub lynch wagon, but instead you defended Skrub.

Why could I not be defending him as a gain?
If Skrub is scum / sk and I'm the other, then surely I want to keep him alive to help kill town, and given theat I defend him, makes me less likely the night kill.
So what now? This was the only reason for you to think of me as town, correct?

[Vedith]

It's more POE. I don't really feel that Ari is scum, but nothing to back that up.

[Vedith]

Yeah, Ari is pretty town. Are you townreading Skrub due to everyone jumping onto his wagon, or are there elements of his play that you find to be towny?

I might be able to come around on a vax lynch, but I want Skrub to make a more substantial case about vax before I commit to anything

His action don't make sense from a scum side. I don't feel him as scummy from his posts or hammer, the game was getting stale.
Ari instantly thought this as well (Still want Ari to reply to me about it).

Does this mean you don't like Light for scum?
I can see him jumping on Skrub as an easier vote.

[Vedith]

Calling me an easy lynch and town reading him for defending me makes it sound like you already know that I'm town

[Vedith]

Okay, so here's the thing.
I'm the SK, but I'm town. Functioning Sociopath to be precise.
There's no reason for me to out myself if I wasn't town here, but I feel that people are looking at finding a SK too much.
Given that there can be another SK, but we could be looking for 2 scum here.

Although your vote is good, who's to say that he's a bad SK?
I believe there is town SK's in the thread I'll look later to confirm.

I also put this to show that I'm a good SK if needed.
I killed the other nuetral last night as well.

I think you should full claim if we need to lynch you, Ari.
Unless me being town SK changing the out come?

The way I see it, we had 2 kills yesterday, 1 being me, so possibly only 1 kill tonight without me shooting.

[Vedith]

Okay. Well considering that you claiming gives a most likely chance that you are lynched I feel comftable with you being town.
Before anyone says - "Whine whine whine, that's what Ari would want people to think to not get lynched" Nah, Ari was at no risk what so ever to be lynched today or even tomorrow without results.

Town just has to consider this tomorrow if the game isn't over.
@Ari - Can you vote if someone unvotes first?

So we are at 6, with 4-5 town.
1 kill last night (apart from mine) suggests 1 faction/killer or I was also attacked (given with most SK's, I had BP).
The kill made makes me think that we are dealing with 1 scum/sk that was worried about being caught.
We can either lynch (my favour is still in Vax or Light) or we can no lynch and go for 5 people tomorrow (if I don't shoot).
This also gives us a chance to gain further information on results etc while eliminating the pool (scum won't kill Ari regardless if he's marked as town).

Opinions from everyone?
One thing to consider it could be LyLo tomorrow.

We also have things like Alien faction with a delayed kill etc to consider.

I won't be shooting Ari tonight though.

@VaxKiller - No, I can only win with town.

[Vedith]

Go over Vax for me again, Skurb.

[Vedith]

Thanks Skrub, shall go back over it shortly.
I'm not sure it directly makes him scum but I don't see anything to counter his play to look town.

Also, you are not an easy lunch by any chance <3

[Vedith]

Why am I town though?

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Am I just a piece of toast to you?!

[Vedith]

I almost got buttered up but I'm with Skrub on this one.
Btw if we lynch scum in vax or light I'll kill the other tonight if it's not over.

[Vedith]

@Vedith, do you really subscribe to what Skrub is saying or do you have a different opinion on why you think I'm scum?

I do feel that you trusted me as town a little too easy, but I'm normally paranoid over that anyway so not sure what to think on it.
The fact you think Skrub is scummy doesn't make you scummy but I think you are wrong there.
My biggest concern is where no one really had an opinion on me claiming town SK, and there is no actual way to prove it until I die or game ends.
Ari is a very strong town read and Skrub/Jaack seem less likely to be scum. I do worry that I'm being blind sided though.
So overall, I think Skrub has something on you which I share interest, its just down a different route.

@Vedith - If there is scum outside {vax, light} who is most likely

It's really hard to say.
Light seems to be skimming by while we poke fingers imo. Out of the 2 I'm starting to think that Light is more likely to flip scum and I actually liked Vax's reaction to Jaack as town.
Light also went straight for the Skrub vote which before day start looked promising from a scum perspective.

Gun to the head, I'd choose Light right now.

Thought edit - tired and read wrong. Outside of it Skrub would be scum over Jaack and Ari imo.

[Vedith]

@Jaack - I'm not really a fan of killing if we mis lynch as I don't want to rule out a team of 2 scum yet.

[Vedith]

Talk to me light.

[Vedith]

It's probably nothing.

It could be a scumslip. It could be you trying to make it out as a scumslip.

How is questioning it trying to make it look like a scum slip?

At the end of the day, there's no problem questioning it. I don't have concern on the comment itself, I make those comments here and there.
What I didn't like was the explanation within 1min of making the comment. It seemed more of a panic rather than a stating the obvious.

[Vedith]

Talk to meh, Light!

[Vedith]

Is your role just a posting ristriction, Light?

[Vedith]

No, I believe your restriction as we have seen it.
I just wanted to know if there is anything else to your role?
I think for the possible scum slip alone, Skrub has to be the lynch today. As I said, it seemed more of a panic "It was a joke" as it was instantly said. If it was a joke, why would he not wait for a response?

[Vedith]

But you're not reading my comments. I would have scratched it as a joke.
The time you told us it was a joke with 1min after of posting. Your thoguht process apparantly went like this.

>Lets fake a post in game, it will be funny
>Fakes a post
>They will think I'm scum for this
>Tell them it was a joke, quickly!
>It was a prank bro

In 1min of thinking.

If you posted it, waited for a response then I would have actually defended it to be too weak to go on.
Instead, you instantly regreated posting it 1min later.

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But you obviously thought of that before posting it, why would you post it if you had that as a concern? What made you change your opinion on doing the joke, to not within 1min?
As you can see, I disagreed with Vax on you before hand.

[Vedith]

I didn't change my mind I was just letting you know it was a joke

But why would you post it if you knew that it would be used against you by Vax?
It really doesn't add up sorry.

[Vedith]

I'm a comedian. If an opportunity for levity presents itself I take it. I'm sorry that you hate jokes.

Now you're just talking bollocks to my comment.
I've said that I even do things like that as a joke, and it wasn't the joke that pinged me at all.
If you was a 'comedian' then I don't understand why you have to instantly explain the comment and retract it.
Word of advise for future - Silver layout is best layout, that way you never mix up PT's.

[Vedith]

Lol mind blown!
Thanks for the game everyone! and thanks for modding Dav, was a really good game.

What were everyone's roles?

[Vedith]

Tier had a really good role, I did suspect that his role would kill someone else, and I guess it kind of did.
I think the roles were good, I was worried that maybe only I had the win condition of town only when I said it and expected a lynch on me.

But yeah, scum got really unlucky.
I guess it's the luck of the draw though

I'd play again if you put one up, Dav!

[Vedith]

My role was that I had to post like scum... of course I got universally townread.

Fun game, kudos to all involved.

I was really doubting you when you were saying you are confirmed town or what not but I couldn't see you as scum! xD

[Vedith]

If it helps, you flipping scum would have meant me shooting Light! <3

[Vedith]

This is a pretty much confirmed win barring shenanigans. We lynch one today. If town, Vedith nks a second one. If the game still isn't over, we will have at least two of {jaack, Vedith, Ari} in lylo vs whichever of them is left. We should be able to win this

I typed at least 10 responses to this post but never clicked submit...
I was just so confused... xD

[Vedith]

Easy mistake to do, Light!

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I mean, we could always just say this game had to be restarted...