Mini 532: Yaw's Split Open Mafia: (Game over)

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/confirm

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Vote: Drunken Piper

. Seems too eager to have the voted removed...

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Since this is a (partially) open set-up, I think we might be best off with a full claim. The scum will have no choice but to claim their actual roles (or get busted on a 1-for-1 basis), and we can ask for everyone to tell the town what they did the night before, forcing the Scum lie. Ideally, we can catch scum in lies in a few days...

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Ben, can you quickly explain exactly what other "newb mistake" i have made elsewhere? I suggested it, because the scum would HAVE to lie. Day 3-5ish, we might be able to catch them in those lies.

Also, addressed to everyone, I may be new here, but I am far from being new to Mafia.

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Each Mafia member may kill or perform a Role night action, but not both.

The killing Mafia will, therefore, lie about his role...

[SensFan]

Holy crap, do I feel stupid now...

Not going to say more, but I made a big mistake. Alright, I officially withdraw my proposal to massclaim...

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(I'll just say that I know you would vig on night 0 and leave it at that. It may have worked for you this time around, but its still a bad play statistically speaking.)

Vigs should shoot every night

Just got back from a Sens game, so I'm going to bed. I'll post tomorrow, I just wanted to get this out.

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Korlash, if the scum shoot the vanilla, they are NOT shooting any of the role people. In a few days, I truly think Phate's idea will break the game open if both role-people are alive.

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I think the main disadvantage with the plan would be that it gives the Mafia a person who is neither of the role-people, this helping them shoot one of our main roles.

On the other hand, this method will ensure that we always have our best roles alive, with the dead roles being 'nilla and/or the less useful roles.

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Oops,

Unvote

, now that we are out of the random stage.

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Vote: Drunken Piper

A little witty banter in the random stage is one thing, but now it looks like he is trying to detract conversation and/or try to avoid having to put any real information in his posts.

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Hey Sensfan, your buddy Phate is taking alot of flak for this plan, aren't you going to speak up? As the original proponent of it, I would have expect more discussion from you. You've haven't mentioned anything about it for 3 pages now.

I'm also suspicious of OTM, he seems to be flipping.

Alright.

* My buddy? What are you implying?

* Why would you assume I would rush to Phate's defense?

* I was not the one who came up with the plan. That was Phate.

Vote: Zhao

while awaiting his answer. The quoted post seems like a whole lot of misrepresentation to me.

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I guess I'm confused about why you'd feel the RB was a danger to the town if it was on a townie.

Also,

FOS Korlash

for giving the scum an idea they may not have thought of should they happen to have the reopener or the switcher.

Alright, a few issues with the FoS.

If Korlash was scum, he would have waited until night to tell his scumbuddy about opening vanillas, or switching away good powers. He would not have had to say it in-thread.

Therefore, we are to assume that he is not scum, but instead made a play mistake. You are FoSing someone on the grounds that they are town that goofed.

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Yeah, but that can dip into WIFOM for the record... but I agree that Korlash is seeming mostly townie to me.

That is not WIFOM in the slightest. WIFOM would be if he bussed a buddy, with the hopes of looking Town later on. What he did is STRICTLY WORSE than his other options as scum: he would alert the town of his theory, and it has ZERO chance of getting others to look favorably upon him.

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I'm here, sorry for my absense.

OTM has been looking very bad recently, most notably where (As mentionned) he sets up a possible excuse for a Phate mis-lynch and in post 307 where he admits that his playstyle changes based on many factors, including suspicion level. This looks to me like he wants to be able to (hopefully) come out ok of this debate, then lurk later, pointing to 307 as "proof" that he switches when he is not suspicious.

Unvote, Vote: OTM

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I believe that Thanatos' relative newbiness leads to his naive thinking that 2 pro-town roles never argue.

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If we're claiming, then I'm the re-opener.

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For the record, I did not re-open OTM's role last night, and likely won't open Phate's. If the scum have the switcher, I'm not letting them give us unpowereds or give them powerroles.

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Alright, I'm here. No roles re-opened last night. If anyone actually wants me to open a role for any reason, let me know.

Actually, if people want, I could open a role every night, as a way to prove that I'm not the last scum.

MOD: The thread title still says Night 2.

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\Sensfan, just because you're the role opener (I believe your claim, as you haven't been counter-claimed) doesn't mean you're not scum/SK.

Right, but if I'm opening roles, I'm not killing as a scum.

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Kabenon, I will prove tonight that I am not the scum, at least. Unfortunately, I cant prove I'm not SK.

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Just got prodded.

Piper, I'll have to check, but I'm pretty sure I was one of the last posts yesterday, and one of the first today. If anything, I've lurked for the game EXCEPT for end of yesterday/beginning today.

Oh, and Holy's right. I tend to lurk alot. That, and I just finished my final exams today, so that's a load off my chest.

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Yep, I posted less than 3 before Day 2 ended, and within 3 hours of Day 3 starting.

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Nope. I chose not to open any roles, seeing as it would be useless.

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Open Role Stub
1 Sane Cop
1 Roleblocker

1 Role Switcher

1 Role Re-Opener
1 Night Communicator
3 Unpowered

I never re-opened the Role-Switcher after Phate died.

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100% positive.

Lynch me if the mod checks in saying that the post is correct.


Oh, and just to get this out of the way: is anyone going to counter me?

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Closed Role Stub
1 Night Communicator
2 Unpowered
1 Doctor

1 Role Switcher

Skruffs - A bunch of people had already claimed, and so I figured I might as well claim, and be able to ask the town's opinion on if I should be re-opening roles.

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Way to ask a loaded question, Holy.

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I'm here.

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Vote: kabenon

Let's get this game moving.

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If I had to choose a lynchee
My first choice would be Holy

If tomorrow dawns another Day
My gut says MBF might be the SK

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XD

You said you want to lynch me (following the crowds? Lol!), but your gut says MBF is your SK, yeah right!

Well my gut, says it's you.

No, my gut says that if its not you then it might be MBF.

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I'm here.

Holy can say what she wants, but it happens to be a coincidence that I was scum in that game. Fact is that I lurk. In all honesty, I was really busy near the beginning of this game, and so didn't really get into it much, and now I haven't been as involved asI would like to be in a game.

Her putting me at Lynch -1 without mentioning it is suspect to me, though. As if she was hoping that Skruffs' reaction would be "Agreed, Vote: SensFan", not realising that would be a hammer. With that, I feel confidant putting the L-1 vote on Holy.

Vote: Holy

Oh, and if anyone wants to metagame me, I was replaced in 2 games during the time I've been in this game. I'm not proud of it, but I haven't only been lurking here.

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Its up to MBf to pick between myself and Holy, I guess.

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You seem very Town to me.
My gut tells me its MBF, but my scumdar tells me its DP. I don't like how he has been posting in poetry for the whole game. Seems like an excuse to not contribute all that much.

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Darn, I was sure that if was DP or Holy.

I need to go back and look over the 2 of your posts.

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I did not open any roles last night. I didn't see the point.

A lot of what you wrote for me being more suspicious comes down to WIFOM.

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MBF or yourself could very well have purposely left the other one alive with the hopes of using that exact logic to get me lynched. Another reason to leave me alive would be that I have admitted than I haven't followed the game as much as I would like.

I don't like that yesterday MBF was a higher suspect of yours than I was, but today you say that you think I'm the SK.

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Whichever of you or MBF are scum may very well have left me alive, planning to use the EXACT logic you used, that it must be SensFan playing Skruffs and MBF against each other.

On a side note, I think you may have forgot to finish your last sentence.

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Yesterday? Holy-DP-MBF-Skruffs
Today? Skruffs-MBF (so far)

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I opened a role 2 nights ago.

But of course, you're not actually doubting my claim, are you?

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I'm really unsure as to who the SK is, but I am leaning towards Skruffs.

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I'll post more later, but for now I just wonder why I am under such scrutiny when I was last on both of your lists yesterday.

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You've been here at MS for 2 and a half years, and yet you seem to assume that the SK could never have been intelligent enough to think up a WIFOM argument such as that one. That bothers me.

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From my point of view, the SK could be either of you. My sentence doesn't exclude either of you. Regardless of who it is, there's no doubt that the SK planned to get me lynched through WIFOM.

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I was talking to him through a neutral perspective, since I'm honestly not sure which of you is the SK. If anything, I was talking to him through a point of view that perhaps he is the SK, since he is playing WIFOM so strongly.

I'm not using WIFOM as my defense, more just that I have no way to defend against the arguments being presented. There is nothing I can say to "defend" against the fact that someone very suspicious of me was killed, or that I'm alive in and endgame situation with two people who were in disagreement yesterday.

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Way to completely avoid the question MBF just asked you.

We have a deadline in a little over a week, and you think just dropping and attacking someone in passing in LyLo is going to fly?

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That last post by Skruffs really sets me off. I don't like how he assumed the Mod lied to us.

Coupled with my previous suspicions, I am very tempted to vote him soon.

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Sensfan what do you know that I don't? Where did I assume the mod lied to us? Has he said that roles were independantly, RANDOMLY, distributed between alignments, somewhere? Because it doesn't say that in the first post, as far as I saw, yesterday or whenever my last large post was. Because it doesn't say the roles-alignment combinations were not RANDOMLY arranged, I have no reason to think the mod wouldn't try to arrange things in the way he schooses: think about it this way, what 'better' combination of roles could the mafia have received?

Now that you mention it, I went back and checked, and you're right. I was sure I remember seeing that the roles were distributed randomly, though...

MOD

: Were the roles and alignments assigned RANDOMLY? Or did you choose which roles were Mafia, SK, and Town?

I randomized which Role Stub was given to each person, then randomized which Alignment Stub was given to each person.

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Yeah, I'm here.

As the other have said, the tend to be less posts with less people.

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Can the deadline for 6 days from now be lifted?

I'll extend it by 96 hours. Sometime around 2 weeks from now I'm gone for a week, and I'd perfer the game to be over by then.

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Alright, I'm here.

You have both mentioned that you might vote me just because I wouldn't deserve the win as scum. While true, I think a better effort should be made, by me as well, to figure out the scum.

Skruffs: I still don't agree with your early attack on me based on DP'k death last night. It did indeed look like an SK who made a plan based around their kill. Assuming DP was alive right now, who would you think was scummiest out of MBF, DP, and I?

MBF: You did appear to be taking a more passive role today than in previous days. You were also the first to mention the idea of voting me because I deserve a win less. If I were Town, why would you hurt your chance of winning because I don't deserve a win?

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So what is the deadline?

Skruffs, don't avoid the question. If it was me, MBF, you and DP today, who would you think was scummiest?

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Vote: Skruffs

I agree, we need to vote. You have been oddly scummy for all of today, and when I asked you a question - removing the choice of Kill from the equation - you misrepresented it to be a slip that you couldn't be SK. Enough of this, you tried to get MBF to lynch me on WIFOM early on, and it didn't work. My hunch said MBF going into today, but your play today has dinged my scumdar in just about every post.

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Great game, MBF.

Looks like my vote is going to be the one that decides the game. I'm ecstatic.

Just a question, why didn't you just hammer Skruffs here?