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Day 1 was awful for me, it is no matter what alignment I am. All the better players got the PRs hmm, that kinda sucked.

Also whoever verified this setup for balance needs a head check. Way too town sided IMO. Esp with ascetic claiming day 1.
We didn't even have day talk btw

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IAI, I decided to kill you because

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I heavily suspected you had a PR

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We need 2 more mislynches to win, shouldn't be too difficult IMO

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Wow my town game sucks more then I thought!

You were fine, I quite honestly didn't get why you were being suspected

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Thought shadow saying he thinks 2 town mislynches wont be difficult makes me think that read is wrong.

I am allowed to mess with you remember ?

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Day 1 was awful for me, it is no matter what alignment I am. All the better players got the PRs hmm, that kinda sucked.

Also whoever verified this setup for balance needs a head check. Way too town sided IMO. Esp with ascetic claiming day 1.
We didn't even have day talk btw

Obviously disagree with this. The ascetic almost got lynched. And still has a chance of getting lynched.

Both the town and scum had some great night actions. You guys might enjoy the Mod thread/Review thread after the end of the game.

Ascetic didn't get lynched because of their claim. It was because of Transcend's play.
Gunsmith gets only one false positive. Which is the big, who can easily town confirm himself by shooting. Gunsmith was as good as cop.

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Vig *

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3 innocent results are a lot CT.
Imagine having 3 innocent results on day 4. Even if all three lynches have been town and you have in no on 2/3 remaining townies. You have a pool of 4 out of which 3 are scum.

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If titus was atleast a 2 shot RB, it would have been more balanced imo.

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Then we should have at least had day talk :/

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Day talk is underrated imo but I still think scum should of had it.

Day talk is a lot of fun as mafia tbh, what Mafia is about essentially

Look at the positives, 8 day phase for Days means theoretically it should be easier to lynch town. Although I never believed that personally.<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">IMO scum still has a chance and I think town has played really well up until now. Let's see how it goes. You played well on day 3 I thought. Kinda difficult to get out of that situation with the vig.

I leaned from the best (Maria)

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I think scum played pretty poorly and the fact that they still have a chance is evidence of game balance.

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we only have a chance because how poorly some of the town are playing

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My life goal of escaping a cop guilty was so close....Oooo now I need another scum game

Shadow be my scum buddy.

Sure, which game are you joining next ?

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Absolutely.
I'll check the queue?
Maybe we can hydra sometime.

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If I was the last remaining scum.
I'd kill in this order

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Giga
Nero

But my buddy will probably kill in this order

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Nero
Giga

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giga has one heck of a town game for a person who has just joined the site. I may have managed to fool her. But her approach to the game and content etc is very good. She will learn to develop reads better with more experience.
I'd give her town MVP right now.

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Lol a town bodyguard too
This game is a joke for balance.
Town have have so many PRs a vanilla cop is useless. There is no way my role survives massclaim because of the investigative power already. So the thing that VC can be used like a townie is BS

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I don't even care if we lose this now, town have too much power.

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My buddy should have targeted Giga yesterday :/
Mh you probably could have gotten lynched with your BG claim. I'm 100% sure nobody would have bought it.

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One of the big edges to scum in a normal game is that it's not an open setup, so they can fake claim (Maria can speak to this pretty effectively ). That tactical option is a really big deal, especially in a setup where frankly most of the town power sucks. The vig can easily hit a town PR (it's a real down side to having a vig), the GS can get a fake guilty on a vig, and the tracker can get a fake inno on the vanilla cop.

Now, i don't know for sure that the last wolf is a goon, but balance wise I'd pretty much assume it to be the case. A mafia doctor would be REALLY unbalanced IMO given the general lack of town power, especially since it drastically nerfs the vig (1/3 chance of getting a mafia kill blocked by the doc IF he shoots mafia) and the gunsmith (false inno). That'd be way too much scum power against the limited town power. So it's probably just VC/goon/goon, and I guess that means likely elyse then?

BG is important as he gives a claimed PR another night and we cannot do anything about it.
Mafia VC really is a crap role. Imagine I get a not Vanilla night 1 and kill them night 3. So by now the Vig is cleared town and the tracker/gunsmith have two results if I killed the BG. Don't tell me that is balanced. That's a fucking joke.
Scum don't need investigative power, they need blocking power.

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Agreed.

It was unbalanced unless my team got mass cred.

Also, thor probably protected Nero n1. So if we had listened to you. JJD would have had a positive in me day 2. Nero with the vig guilty on me day 2 and IAI would have tracked you to the kill and only Thor dead.

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How well do you think mafia played in comparison to town, to even have this argument of balance vs unbalanced? Lets not act like the night actions are the only thing that have helped the town be in this position. Their day game has helped them make great choices during night.

Tell me anything blitz did which was scummy pre claim.
I was just let's lynch blitz.

Tell me anything which I did which was scummy.

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Oh no, Karnos :/

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What happens if town keep deciding to NL and scum keep deciding to no kill? lol

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Not sure what the normal guidelines on this are. But scum would be kind of playing against their wincon by no-killing for several days.

Not really(?)
They are no killing so they have an easier day phase.

It's the same way scum bussing isn't playing against their win con.

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I still think the best course of action is to kill

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giga

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Nah, its because that player's game solving skills >>> Nero

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And wifom don't forget the wifom

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generally in lylo/mylo people think more about Nk, why was this person killed and why was thus person not killed. That fact that Giga is hard town reading my buddy, it makes perfect sense for them to not kill Giga and take them to lylo/mylo. Hence killing Giga is the right thing.

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Yeah, but site meta is as Mafia kill the player who is most likely a threat to you the next day or the upcoming days.

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Zach did it in 649. Killed someone else over a cop cleared townie in mylo.

Also wifom is one of my favourite parts of being mafia.

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Wifom kills in MYLO/LYLO do happen though. Would be a bit annoying to eat a loss here, though in fairness it's not like I did all that much to earn to a win

JJ, Iai, Nero, Giga have played well overall.
But that's the thing as town. You are only as good as the VI. Town need to be able to tell the diff between mislynch baits and actual scum.

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Nah, its because that player's game solving skills >>> Nero

Confused where you're getting this from.

While I think giga has done a good job of looking town after replacing into a very scummy slot, he didn't really want to vote for titus OR you. Nero's pushed u guys a ton.

Well he had a guilty on me and Titus was an easy push. Giga pushed Titus as well.
Like that hammer on Karnos was terribad from Nero. Even when Karnos was probably going to get lynched, he should have waited for his final thoughts.

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wait, there was a gunsmith guilty and thor didn't BG the gunsmith? umm...

JJ was gunsmith but didn't claim
But yeah he was an obvious BG target.

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So what do you do as scum in lylo?
Vote right out of the gate, or vote second after some discussion or wait to cast the winning hammer?

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I'd say elyse but I agree w/ IAI that she would have claimed her doc role if she was scum.

And to add to this:

Shadow wouldn't claim that scum-doc is vanilla cause if elyse ever flipped he'd be outed.

Elyse is confirmed town. Hopefully town realizes this.

If she is scum she would never flip by night kill obviously and she was largely townread and never going to get lynched so I as her scum buddy not claiming her to be vanilla because I would be fucked if she flips before me is a fallacy. That was never going to happen.

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You do realise the point of wifom and things which scum wouldn't do are exactly the kind of things that scum would do.

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Have never scumputer, wth is it?

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It is called conf bias mh

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I meant, giga is treading kraska already so my RVS vote seems to look like something scum won't do to a buddy. Oh well : P

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@CT you don't really need to lock the maf chat when there is only 1 alive.

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yeah, why not.

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It should be the exact opposite
mylo/lylo should be the most active part of the game after Day 1.

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Well shit

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I

HAD

ALL

THREE

SCUM

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if only i wasn't an ass we might've won this :\

I never quite had all 3 scum on day 1 but I came close in 649. So I know this feel.

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Giga and kraska are going to be so pissed lol

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yea you were p useless

apart from saving you

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There is no way the kill can be stopped so it should end.