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Post Post #2675 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:54 am

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In post 2672, Slandaar wrote:So you don't think if a Doc claims D1/D2 the other cc and we lynch through both every time? Like what?
It's not weird to have an N1 doc and an N2 doc. So why is it weird to have two N2 docs?
Results oriented. This is an argument? From a Reviewer?

Setup expert indeed.
You can assess how well town and scum played, then try to work out how you'd expect a balanced setup to end up given that. As such, seeing how the game worked out in practice can be a guide to balance, as long as you adjust for what the factions actually did. The setup ended up rather more townsided than would be expected for town lynching scum in the first two days but losing two major power roles in the process.
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Post Post #2676 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:56 am

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I think n1 and n2 doc would be weird

I thought tracker and watcher would be weird

Idk, maybe I'm too strict with this kind of stuff
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Post Post #2677 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:57 am

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Now I'll know for the setup you review in the future cfj :)
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Post Post #2678 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:27 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1018, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Naomi-Tan
- Top townread. Probably don't need to explain much here as I think most people are townreading Naomi

Infinity
- Town. I like the progression of his Naomi read cause it mirrored how I felt. Honestly I feel like most of his reads this game are for genuine reasons. (though not sure I agree w/ the RB read)

kraska
- Town. The Rask case is something I don't see scum making. It shows some real thought behind it and I actually agree w/ alot of it. And I just see alot of good old-fashioned towny paranoia

Slandaar
- Town. Like most of his reads (not rask though). Very much like the pressure on DGB and just acting very pro-town

Aristophanes/hiplop
- townlean. I liked his posts earlier and saying he loves a case on him just feels like it cant come from scum. Not really enough there for a good read so hopefully hiplop gives us something

Fire Assassin/RB
- very slight townlean. I started off here w/ strong townread but kept downgrading it as I kept reading the ISO. I will usually lean town on an emotional shitting up of the thread cause scum doesn't want to attract too much attention. But there's some pretty awful posts here. And like, he acts like a good player but he has to realize how anti-town is attitude is here.

Manuel87
- null. Man his scumreads are so bad. Other than that I think he seems to be scumhunting and interacting in a town manner. need more here.

LicketyQuickety
- Null slight scumlean. Just like RB, my read here reversed the further into the ISO I got (though it went scumread to null). My original reasoning in 282 still stands. Though I kinda feel like scum would defend their position there instead of just backing down. Don't like how he chose slander to sheep seemingly out of nowhere and he really doesn't have many reads for how many posts he has (readslist was meh). Other than that, his interaction w/ RB reads slight town to me.

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- slight scumread. Jumped on Naomi, then said that he thinks scum are in the inactives which are contradictory points. Agree w/ the points kraska made. Feel like his "I want to establish a townbloc" is disingenuous since there's no reason he should think that people would accept his as town.

MariaR/Rem
- scum. All of Rems posts seemed scummy to me. Marias posts are LAMIST. Her infinity vote is terrible. LQ vote feel opportunistic. Especially since she was "fairly sure" one of RB/Infinity was scum. The fact that she hasn't reevaluated Infinity makes me fell like she just decided that she should scumread him and is looking for reasons to justify it.

Iprobablysuck/Killthestory
- Scum. Probably DGBs scumbuddy. He keeps telling us he's scumreading DGB but makes no attempt to get him lynched. Instead he finally throws a vote @ LQ, who he's been townreading most of the game w/ no explaination. terrible.

DrippingGoofball
- scum. Already posted about the contradiction in his RB read. Other than that he hasn't done jack shit this game. Furthermore it's been pretty tough getting votes on DGB considering how many people are scumreading him.

Not bad for day 1 reads :cool:
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Post Post #2679 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:05 am

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In post 2675, callforjudgement wrote:
In post 2672, Slandaar wrote:So you don't think if a Doc claims D1/D2 the other cc and we lynch through both every time? Like what?
It's not weird to have an N1 doc and an N2 doc. So why is it weird to have two N2 docs?
I am beginning to see...
In post 2675, callforjudgement wrote: You can assess how well town and scum played, then try to work out how you'd expect a balanced setup to end up given that. As such, seeing how the game worked out in practice can be a guide to balance, as long as you adjust for what the factions actually did. The setup ended up rather more townsided than would be expected for town lynching scum in the first two days but losing two major power roles in the process.
I see.

The gunsmith hit scum for the D3 lynch that doesn't always happen. You omit this from your 'arguments' and your 'analysis'.

You have no idea of balance so now I know.
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Post Post #2680 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 5:44 am

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Thanks for the praise everyone this was really fun and I had a blast!
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Post Post #2681 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:27 am

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In post 2672, Slandaar wrote:So you don't think if a Doc claims D1/D2 the other cc and we lynch through both every time? Like what?
if your setup spec is based on the simplistic and arbitrary premise "there CAN'T be town duplicates" then... yeah ya'll deserved the two mislynches.
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Post Post #2682 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:30 am

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you also lynched your friendly neighbor on day 1 so it looks like town flushed some of the help marquis was giving them with the setup down the toilet anyway
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Post Post #2683 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:58 am

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In post 2663, Slandaar wrote:This setup was insanely scum sided ruined game really.
This
In post 2664, Infinity 324 wrote:I hated the setup too

Was maria a tracker?
Setup wasn't normal.
In post 2665, Infinity 324 wrote:Blatantly violating people's expectations of what should exist in a setup isn't really very fair to town imo.
In post 2666, Raskolnikov wrote:Is blaming setup really fair? I feel like mods should make wifom setups more so people can't lynch entirely off of setup speculation like we did here.
If it were more common this would also happen less.
Yes, it is fair to blame a setup that fucking violates anything a normal setup stands for.
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Post Post #2684 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:59 am

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In post 2680, MariaR wrote:Thanks for the praise everyone this was really fun and I had a blast!
You did well Maria, I didn't think it was you.
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Post Post #2685 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:00 am

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Probably should just policy you from this game forward. Maria always rolls scum.
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Post Post #2686 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:01 am

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This should have been a theme game, because it wasn't normal.
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Post Post #2687 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:12 am

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I disagree that it wasn't normal. I disagreed with the setup, but can't really complain since we got outplayed by scum
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Post Post #2688 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:13 am

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I know I said that after complaining, but it wasn't really deserved. Thanks to the mod and reviewers anyway.
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Post Post #2689 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:13 am

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In post 2687, Infinity 324 wrote:I disagree that it wasn't normal. I disagreed with the setup, but can't really complain since we got outplayed by scum
I would consider the roles themselves normal but the fact everyone was limited to acting on a certain night was a non normal mechanic that shouldn't have been in this game.
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Post Post #2690 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:15 am

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You're entitled to your opinion.
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Post Post #2691 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:15 am

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marquis advertised this mechanic before signups....
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Post Post #2692 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:15 am

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In post 2691, Antihero wrote:marquis advertised this mechanic before signups....
I was a replacement.
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Post Post #2693 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:15 am

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and the night-specific modifier is explicitly normal so... why is it not normal?
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Post Post #2694 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:16 am

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In post 2692, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2691, Antihero wrote:marquis advertised this mechanic before signups....
I was a replacement.
it was in the first round of posts too
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Post Post #2695 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:16 am

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In post 1, Marquis wrote:All non-Vanilla roles hold the modifier "Night 2". Other modifiers may exist in the game (in conjunction with "Night 2") if applicable.
what else did you want marquis to do?
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Post Post #2696 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:18 am

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In post 2693, Antihero wrote:and the night-specific modifier is explicitly normal so... why is it not normal?
Beacuse it goes against the standard of providing a consistent set of expectations of a game?

Like just because you announce it pregame doesn't mean its normal in my eyes.

Like If I announced "roles will have flavor" you would say thats not normal, but thats just because of the rule.
The reason the rule exists is for consistent game play.

I hold that to much higher degree then just because marquis twists what is allowed to make this game possible.
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Post Post #2697 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:20 am

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In post 2696, Firebringer wrote:Like If I announced "roles will have flavor" you would say thats not normal, but thats just because of the rule.
...and that's not analogous b/c that explicitly not normal....
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Post Post #2698 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:21 am

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In post 2696, Firebringer wrote:Beacuse it goes against the standard of providing a consistent set of expectations of a game?
what's the "expectations" here?
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Post Post #2699 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:22 am

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In post 2697, Antihero wrote:
In post 2696, Firebringer wrote:Like If I announced "roles will have flavor" you would say thats not normal, but thats just because of the rule.
...and that's not analogous b/c that explicitly not normal....
No, you miss my point.
That is a rule in place already.

You have to go to the source of why the rule is put in place.
I told you, you say "that isn't normal because it is considered not normal"
then I tell you okay why was that considered not normal?

And I explain the consistency.

This game skirts the line intentionally to make it as far away from normal as possible but still technically be in the rules be called normal.
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