Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

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Here. Catching up

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2 pages in and I think RB is scum. Not sure why anyone would just buy his fake-townslip-reaction-test. I think he was just actually trying to fake townslip as scum, got called out on it, and then made up the reaction test.

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Through page 4. Townreading infinity and probably Ari too.

Naomis posts are so LAMIST but still kinda lean town though I'm not sure why.

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If that was a fake townslip not for reactions, I wouldn't expect him to say it was a reaction test, I would expect him to just say it was a real townslip...

I feel like he just did it and after u called him out he realized how transparent it was. Will give BOTD for now though.

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Whats LAMIST

Look At Me, I'm So Town

Basically posts that are design to look like something only town would say.

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Why are you townreading ari?

Page 3 posts discussing Naomi look town to me.

Also questioning Rems "townslip" was exactly what went through my mind when I read it.

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Why are you townreading ari?

Page 3 posts discussing Naomi look town to me.

Also questioning Rems "townslip" was exactly what went through my mind when I read it.

how did you get page 3 reads after page 4 reads?

I was asked why I townread Ari. I townread him because of the posts he made on page 3.

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townread on Naomi is now strong

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plan on explaining either of those reads?

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Yeah he hasn't posted enough to scumread him yet. But yeah he needs to show up and explain his reads.

Very interested to know why he townreads Manuel since I'm kinda leaning scum there.

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I do plan to explain Raskol, yes.

Why hold off on explaining tho?

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@LicketyQuickety So if you disagree, give an example of a question Rask could have asked. Cause I agree w/ Infinitys assessment.

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I would have asked strait up what the purpose of the reacting test was

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I wanted to see if you'd see it because I think town infinity definitely sees that fake slip and comments on it.

and what they got out of it

Spoiler:

Infinity is Town for recignizing that the fake townslip is fake.

All I see is that a reaction test was made and no results were produced.

Misrep

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

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So, unless Slander votes me, I will prolly be sheeping them since I have proven to be pretty incompetent this game.

Why Slander?

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So, unless Slander votes me, I will prolly be sheeping them since I have proven to be pretty incompetent this game.

Why Slander?

Cuz I played a game with Slander and know he's rock solid. IIRC he was one of the few that could read me that game. I was I think friendly neighbor that game and I was voted off day 1.

Isn't he voting for Infinity for a reason that you now disagree with?

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Actually I guess he's not voting for Infinity. But YOU voted for Infinity based on something Slander said that you've now learned is complete BS.

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I think Lickety decided he should vote infinity and then came up w/ a shitty reason cause he didn't want to appear to sheep.

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You really are a god.

I can't vote Manuel he's the mafia Role Cop. Draynth is my other scumbuddy.

This was the post I was remembering, not the one after.

Like what is he even saying here?

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I guess I expected the first thing LQ to do to unvote, I do accept that he could've been about to do that in his next post.

I actually find the fact that he completely dropped his scumread on you even more suspicious. Remeber he said:

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There are other reasons to Scum read you

, but the reason I gave is what I am going with at this point in time.

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JarJar could be scum.

Chainsawing? Is LQ ur scumbuddy?

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His LAMIST accusation on Naomi, followed by quickly townreading Naomi feels fake.

This was during my catchup. Look @ her posts in the first 4 pages. They're very LAMIST but she's also giving off a noob-town vibe. And her posts since then confirmed that read for me. Naomi and Infinity are my top town reads.

This is another reason I like the LQ wagon: It probably has had all town on it.

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Manuel Flipflopping his Naomi read cause of a meta ISO looks shitty to me.

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You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh?

Yeah I'd like to hear goofballs explanation here.

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huh no. in 406 he says RB is town and he doesn't buy the reaction test. Both in the same post.

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And he fits right in w/ being LQs scumbuddy. Cause in the same post he says:

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

Basically saying:

"I totes scumread Liquety but RB doesn't want me to vote for him guys"

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where is everyone?

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

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I think rb is town

I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh? I see.

I would like a response to this DGB. How exactly can you townread rb but not 'buy' the fake townslip reaction test?

Here was the response:

You are not buying the fake townslip reaction test done by rb but think he is town eh?

Yeah I'd like to hear goofballs explanation here.

I think it's weird but ultimately NAI

Pretty weak, which is why my vote is there.

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I love how my vote sits on LQ most of the game and then as soon as I try to get wagon started on goofball, the votes start piling on LQ.

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sorry I've been MIA. Will catch up tomorrow when i get to work.

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catching up now

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Too much shitposting for a real catchup. Just gonna ISO everyone and give a readslist.

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Naomi-Tan

- Top townread. Probably don't need to explain much here as I think most people are townreading Naomi

Infinity

- Town. I like the progression of his Naomi read cause it mirrored how I felt. Honestly I feel like most of his reads this game are for genuine reasons. (though not sure I agree w/ the RB read)

kraska

- Town. The Rask case is something I don't see scum making. It shows some real thought behind it and I actually agree w/ alot of it. And I just see alot of good old-fashioned towny paranoia

Slandaar

- Town. Like most of his reads (not rask though). Very much like the pressure on DGB and just acting very pro-town

Aristophanes/hiplop

- townlean. I liked his posts earlier and saying he loves a case on him just feels like it cant come from scum. Not really enough there for a good read so hopefully hiplop gives us something

Fire Assassin/RB

- very slight townlean. I started off here w/ strong townread but kept downgrading it as I kept reading the ISO. I will usually lean town on an emotional shitting up of the thread cause scum doesn't want to attract too much attention. But there's some pretty awful posts here. And like, he acts like a good player but he has to realize how anti-town is attitude is here.

Manuel87

- null. Man his scumreads are so bad. Other than that I think he seems to be scumhunting and interacting in a town manner. need more here.

LicketyQuickety

- Null slight scumlean. Just like RB, my read here reversed the further into the ISO I got (though it went scumread to null). My original reasoning in 282 still stands. Though I kinda feel like scum would defend their position there instead of just backing down. Don't like how he chose slander to sheep seemingly out of nowhere and he really doesn't have many reads for how many posts he has (readslist was meh). Other than that, his interaction w/ RB reads slight town to me.

Raskolnikov

- slight scumread. Jumped on Naomi, then said that he thinks scum are in the inactives which are contradictory points. Agree w/ the points kraska made. Feel like his "I want to establish a townbloc" is disingenuous since there's no reason he should think that people would accept his as town.

MariaR/Rem

- scum. All of Rems posts seemed scummy to me. Marias posts are LAMIST. Her infinity vote is terrible. LQ vote feel opportunistic. Especially since she was "fairly sure" one of RB/Infinity was scum. The fact that she hasn't reevaluated Infinity makes me fell like she just decided that she should scumread him and is looking for reasons to justify it.

Iprobablysuck/Killthestory

- Scum. Probably DGBs scumbuddy. He keeps telling us he's scumreading DGB but makes no attempt to get him lynched. Instead he finally throws a vote @ LQ, who he's been townreading most of the game w/ no explaination. terrible.

DrippingGoofball

- scum. Already posted about the contradiction in his RB read. Other than that he hasn't done jack shit this game. Furthermore it's been pretty tough getting votes on DGB considering how many people are scumreading him.

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I do agree w/ that reasoning. It's why I'm pretty null on LQ rather than scumreading the slot cause I think alot of his posts are scummy. I don't wanna lynch LQ today.

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Even if most people townread her you should explain that read.Or are you saying you townread her because most ppl townread her?

Just saying that most people are probably seeing what I'm seeing but since ur scumreading her, I'll expound:

Naomi is playing a way where she doesn't care about how her posts look. Something is on her mind and she just spews it out. There's just no carefulness that you almost always see from scumposts.

You say i am scumhunting and interacting so what more do you need? You dont have to agree with my reads i change my reads because of arguments not because some people think differently.

You have a way worse read on rb/FA yet he is a townlean read and i am null? I would like an explanation because i read your argument as "he is town but his reads are bad so he is null".

What more do I need for what? I have you as null.

But who a person reads is certainly alignment indicitive so if you were acting how you were AND had reads that matched mine, I'd probably townread you for it.

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I don't know how i'm being LAMIST

Posts that I feel are LAMIST:

Kinda wish I didn't see who I replaced but oh well.

I feel like I should stop reading because i'll most likely forget a ton of points made and that'll only help scum so for now I'll stop reading.

I really should read past page 12

I don't really have much to comment on I feel in a very weird state atm but I'll be here for now.

All posts that seemed designed to let the town know you're scumhunting. They're inner dialog type posts and there's really no reason to make them.

Also can you all stop "light town reading me" or "Scum reading me" because of Rem I would like to be judged on MY content not Rem's

Too bad. You replaced in. I don't expect you to be able to defend your predecessors posts but you cant expect people to abandon their reads of your slot either.

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So you think scum would not have their scummbuddys in their readlist?

Not scumbuddies that are being widely townread.

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And really it's more of: I don't think you're trying to get scum lynched.

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Because if i understand you correct you think my reads are scummy so please explain to me why you think so.

I don't necessarily think your reads are scummy. It's just that playstyle isn't enough for me to put you above null. If I felt like you were pushing a scum lynch, I'd give u town points for it.

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I will reread Naomi cause I may have been a little lazy rereading her ISO since she's been a top townread for so long.

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I reread and still townread Naomi.

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@KTS

why are u voting for LQ?

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yes

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VOTE: Killthestory

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@KTS

why are u voting for LQ?

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KTS. I asked you to explain your vote and you gave bullshit troll answers. THEN I voted u. Don't pretend you're only acting like this cause of the votes.

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UNVOTE: for now.

Can you NOW explain why you're voting for LQ?

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VOTE: Killthestory

Needs to go now.

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I don't see a reason to lynch KTS if what he says is true, Scum have to nk him or he has to out his "results" if he is scum.
Basically not a good lynch target today even if he is annoying.

well since his claim is night 2, he's not gonna be a good lynch tomorrow either. Screw that shizz.

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please kill me.

UNVOTE:

If you're town, you're seriously terrible. Why even sign up?


ughh

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well too late now

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lol dude i'm town the fuck

Um he posts this after the votecount.

When he thought he was hammered, he was just trolling. I think the slot's scum.

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hammering

if ur next post doesn't explain your LQ vote

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I'll wait a while in case anyone has something they wanna say first but I'm definitely hammering this.

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have fun

Like I don't understand why you'd be so douchey if you were town here.

All I've asked is for you explain why you voted someone. Why are you trying to get lynched if you're town? It's a simple question.

Like it always annoys me when people say they want someone out of the game whether they're scum or not. I think people should play to their wincon and just suck it up and deal with whoever is bothering them. But I'm @ that point with you. I've also never considered blacklisting someone until now. If you're town then you're purposefully trying to ruin the game.

Giving you another chance.

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If he is scum you are 100% too i hope people will realize that.

No Fn way. There's no way in heck that scum sticks their neck out for a teammate playing the way KTS is playing.

If he flips scum then I guarantee you that scum is already on the wagon.

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anyway, I think it's been long enough

VOTE: Killthestory

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Why even bother posting that though? @ this point she'd presumably know her scumbuddy is about to be flipped.

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Mostly agree w/ that though I wouldn't put maria as town as the other 2.

Completely w/ you on DGB.

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FWIW Naomi, you cant expect a mod to replace a trolling player. It's just something you have to deal with.

Cause like, how do we know it's not just a scum tactic? The mod can't do something that would potentially give up alignment info.

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You know whats weird... Manuel didn't vote after the hammer vote was dropped... like.. he could of over lynched but choose not to put his vote down.. like.. he didn't wanna be on the flip list...

Yeah that's uh...no

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what possible reason is there for him to throw a meaningless vote down?

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Naomi is disgustingly obvious town

x2
regardless of this flip

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VOTE: DGB

will compromise a policy lynch on hiplop if he doesn't start playing.

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Slandaar is still scum

Maybe I can help him bus his buddy though
VOTE: Killthestory

Pretty shitty vote there.

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Like Infinity said, Slander was pushing the lynch kinda hard. No reason to see that and just automatically think "Bus"

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I don't see a reason to lynch KTS if what he says is true, Scum have to nk him or he has to out his "results" if he is scum.
Basically not a good lynch target today even if he is annoying.

This post is pretty shitty. Obviously "if what [KTS] says is true" there's be no reason to lynch him. If what he he says is true then he's town.

It feels like FA wrote this post knowing KTS was town.

The fact that he just disappeared and just let the lynch go through doesn't look good either.

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@Fire, do u townread DGB?

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@Fire, do u townread DGB?

No read on DGB, I think you are terrible town though.

Why terrible town and not scum?

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@Fire, do u townread DGB?

No read on DGB, I think you are terrible town though.

Why terrible town and not scum?

Your approach to calling me scum sounds exactly like your town game and how you have pushed terrible reads.

I haven't called u scum. I pointed out one scummy post.

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Also voted kts and wasn't around for the claim/lynch.

Just checked (even though some people hate activity stalking), he was active on the site between the claim and end of day.

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Also voted kts and wasn't around for the claim/lynch.

Just checked (even though some people hate activity stalking), he was active on the site between the claim and end of day.

This doesn't even matter, me and Hiplop both replaced in as requested by Marquis in site chat.
That will tell you, both our motivations are just trying to help out someone in need to fill some slots that we were requested personally to fill.

So activity elsewhere, means absolutely nothing with regards to hiplop, even if he is scum here.

this is in reference to DGB.

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Slandaar is still scum

Maybe I can help him bus his buddy though
VOTE: Killthestory

Seriously just lynch this.

Yeah I recently pointed out this post.

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Add these to list of LAMIST Maria posts:

I don't regret that vote at all in fact I'm still somewhat happy about it

I have to say sorry I feel like a scumread a lot of people because I was being really picky and just wanting to have reads for the sake of having them and that's not good for anyone besides mafia cause if I can't back up a lot of my reads with well thought out logic it can only lead to helping mafia

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I think rb is town

Liquety & Slandaar are scum but rb says LQ is lynchbait so mmmmm

And yeah Aristo is scum too

I like Jarjar, I'm not buying the fake townslip reaction test either LOL

I also like Manuel - I don't like NaomiTan's case on him, it feels like scum making up shit

Right now I'm considering voting either Aristo or Slandaar

I'll iso and decide

^^ the most scumhunting DGB did this game

Lol and that's the post w/ his contradiction.

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Maria didn't u know what LAMIST was when you asked me earlier how your posts were LAMIST?

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Spoiler:

I don't know how i'm being LAMIST

Posts that I feel are LAMIST:

Kinda wish I didn't see who I replaced but oh well.

I feel like I should stop reading because i'll most likely forget a ton of points made and that'll only help scum so for now I'll stop reading.

I really should read past page 12

I don't really have much to comment on I feel in a very weird state atm but I'll be here for now.

All posts that seemed designed to let the town know you're scumhunting. They're inner dialog type posts and there's really no reason to make them.

Also can you all stop "light town reading me" or "Scum reading me" because of Rem I would like to be judged on MY content not Rem's

Too bad. You replaced in. I don't expect you to be able to defend your predecessors posts but you cant expect people to abandon their reads of your slot either.

Guess u could have been saying you don't know how ur being lamist cause u don't know what it means. But my context should've told u.

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This game's really in a state of limbo until DGB posts stuff or gets replaced.

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Yeah I'm not begging DGB to play. If he refuses to play, he should be lynched, period.

If he happens to be town then we probably lost the game as soon the mod rolled teams and we got saddled w/ garbage players like him and KTS.

There's only so much dead weight a town can carry before it gets dragged down w/ it.

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I keep getting lynched everywhere lately

It has made playing mafia super boring

I mean, I assume this is obvious but:

Maybe quit playing like garbage?

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I haven't bothered to look at any other games because there isn't much point other than to show you are greatly exaggerating you probably were lynched once or twice.

I did a shallow meta read and the "Knock yourselves out" line when about to get lynched is something that DGB has done several times. Even as scum.

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VOTE: DGB

will compromise a policy lynch on hiplop if he doesn't start playing.

excuse me

was my post cryptic or something?

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Infinity's reasoning for things are really, really shoddy.

Got some examples? Or any opinion on the DGB wagon?

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And honestly, Dgb I have no idea. Could be scum easy but could not be? Historically bad at reading her.

Got any links to games w/ both of you and you misreading her?

Cause doing a quick search, I found this game where looking through your ISO, here's what I found you had to say about DGB:

"and yteah, dgb is pretty clear town to her reaction to the neighbourhood"

"I am confident in DGB read due to how she voted me then retracted"

"dgb is town guys"

"I vehemently oppose dgb's death, btw"

(u were both town)

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I haven't bothered to look at any other games because there isn't much point other than to show you are greatly exaggerating you probably were lynched once or twice.

I did a shallow meta read and the "Knock yourselves out" line when about to get lynched is something that DGB has done several times. Even as scum.

Really.

Show me where I've done this as scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6656036

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and you need to show me that I've done this SEVERAL times.

lol

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7357604

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7170964

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3324756

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DGB what is the point of this exercise?

My guess is she's trying to tell us that since she does it more frequently as town, she should get towncred for it since I assume that was the reason she posted it in the first place.

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Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

I'm kinda leaning towards slip. Seems too blatant of an attempt to play dumb for scum. Like I feel like scum would be like "no way anyone's gonna buy that"

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tbh I think massclaim d3 is optimal

Agree. was planning on bringing this up start of day 3 if I was still here. Kinda didn't want to give scum too much time to discuss their claims.

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bad idea saying that this far in advance :/

FWIW, I think it's a strong towntell. Inf would just bring it up in scumchat and they'd be all prepared for when someone inevitably brought it up.

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I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

I think you're giving too much credit for this. I think u can give him a few town points but there's a lot of scumminess from LQ.

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I think lickety is town because of the interactions with rb, rb was trying to policy lynch him and lickety didn't try to appease rb at all.

I think you're giving too much credit for this. I think u can give him a few town points but there's a lot of scumminess from LQ.

I kinda agree with this. I would not say my case on rb lock clears me, but it is something you don't really see in my scum game too often. Not going to give to the spiel that I have a Scummy meta, I'll let you figure that out on your own.

scummy post.

First off I hate when people don't accept towncred. Feels fake.

Also you say you don't agree w/ it but then then you post reasons for people to agree w/ it.

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Claiming today is idiocy

Agree w/ this. But too many people already went along w/ it so kinda have to go w/ it now.

I'm a PR.

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Unless I'm missing something, here's what I have for claims:

DrippingGoofball - PR (Watcher)
Firebringer- VT
hiplop - ??????
Infinity 324 - PR
JarJarDrinks - PR
LicketyQuickety - VT
Manuel87 - PR
MariaR - PR
Raskolnikov - VT
Slandaar - ??????
Vedith - PR

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We're not lynching till the last 2 players claim.

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I don't mind waiting, but DGB is the right lynch today.

You don't think that the fact that we have so many PRs and he hasn't been countered doesn't point to him being town?

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that's good enough 4 me.

Need the last 2 claims, then we can lynch.

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Ummm

-All PRs are night 2
-kts was a PR that trolled and got lynched d1--some valuable interactions here
-DGB is scamming it up and doing nothing,

she claimed n2 watcher

Not much else...

KTS always trolls, it's an NAI... Shame on you lot I guess.

DGB doing nothing isn't a scum tell right now

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DGB and hiplop are lazy scumreads IMO, its like the laziest of scumreads.

I don't think DGB is scum there

, HipLop on the other hand I don't know.

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And another

I can see HipLop more than DGB

So it seems that you didn't seem that keen on voting for someone that should have been confirmed scum to u huh?

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So unless someone can come up w/ a reason how Vedith can be town, we're lynching him once we get the final claims.

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yeah 1749 shows him actually responding to infinity telling him about the claim.

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And infinity was responding to Vedith who specifically asked to be filled in on what he's missed.

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To get a PR hanged I guess. I don't think it's a particularly great play but I've seen scum do it before.

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I also wonder why vedith didn't counter as soon as he "re read" his role.

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The only problem is where's the scum motivation for Vedith to claim right into a cc like that

Also he may have realized that this statement looked pretty fishy unless he could come up w/ a strong reason to scumread DGB:

You don't think that the fact that we have so many PRs and he hasn't been countered doesn't point to him being town?

No, I do not think that at all.

She

(DGB) is most likely scum.

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VOTE: DGB

so u buy this?

I didn't read properly and forgot my role. Then re read while looking for a different PM.

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@Vedith so what role did you think you had?

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@Slandaar you have to claim now. I think it was a shitty decision but the box has already been opened.

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especially when your best argument is 'wah wah everyone else has claimed!' (not an argument).

That is an argument. @ this point, it can't really hurt the town too much if ur town, compared to how much it can help you if you scum.


pedit: cause the only reason not to claim is cause it gives scum PRs to shoot. They have enough targets @ this point. But if ur scum, making you commit to being a PR or not helps town.

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remember only need to claim PR or VT. Don't need specific roles.

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@Vedith so what role did you think you had?

I'm not saying because of reasons.

I actually like this answer.

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Why did you accept DGB's claim so easily when you had a scumreads on her before?

Well it's not like I was calling her confirmed town for it.

But I explained why I gave towncred for the claim here:

Can't tell if this is a slip or just playing dumb cause we all know what this night is

I'm kinda leaning towards slip. Seems too blatant of an attempt to play dumb for scum. Like I feel like scum would be like "no way anyone's gonna buy that"

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Then why did you go back to wanting to lynch her immediately after the counterclaim?

There was no reason not to believe Vedith. I've mostly liked the slot plus it would be dumb for scum to counterclaim there.

Then what motivated you to check back and find the inconsistency in vedith's claim?

Cause checking an ISO for inconsistencies after a claim is always a good idea.

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Also I want to see some of the posts that led you to develop your scumread on LQ.

Summary of my opinions on LQ

I would have asked strait up what the purpose of the reacting test was

Spoiler:

I wanted to see if you'd see it because I think town infinity definitely sees that fake slip and comments on it.

and what they got out of it

Spoiler:

Infinity is Town for recignizing that the fake townslip is fake.

All I see is that a reaction test was made and no results were produced.

Misrep

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

So, unless Slander votes me, I will prolly be sheeping them since I have proven to be pretty incompetent this game.

Why Slander?

Cuz I played a game with Slander and know he's rock solid. IIRC he was one of the few that could read me that game. I was I think friendly neighbor that game and I was voted off day 1.

Isn't he voting for Infinity for a reason that you now disagree with?

Actually I guess he's not voting for Infinity. But YOU voted for Infinity based on something Slander said that you've now learned is complete BS.

I think Lickety decided he should vote infinity and then came up w/ a shitty reason cause he didn't want to appear to sheep.

You really are a god.

I can't vote Manuel he's the mafia Role Cop. Draynth is my other scumbuddy.

This was the post I was remembering, not the one after.

Like what is he even saying here?

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Not really buying it.

k

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And assuming DGB is scum, I definitely won't want to lynch LQ since as I pointed out earlier, when I tried to start a DGB wagon, the votes started piling on LQ.

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Pretty sure jarjar is nervous scum.

I like him saying DGB scum --> LQ town but that's could just be a load of WIFOM.

Where do you stand on the watcher claims now?

PEdit: VOTE: DGB

L-1

50/50. I'm shocked people just straight up bought the "I forgot my role" claim w/o questioning it @ all.

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can u unvote until we get last 2 claims?

if DGB is scum, she can selfhammer here.

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Pretty sure jarjar is nervous scum.

I like him saying DGB scum --> LQ town but that's could just be a load of WIFOM.

Where do you stand on the watcher claims now?

PEdit: VOTE: DGB

L-1

I mean, it would be a pretty hardcore bus in the early game. I've been on DGB quite a bit. And then I just throw all that bus credit away for no reason? What's the point?

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cool story bro, can u claim now?

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WTF?

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why did u just help him self hammer?

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Like have you not been reading that we need to not hammer untill everyone claims?

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WTF are you alking about?

She claimed scum. Obviously she's getting lynched today.

You just threw our twilight away

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or w/e I'm trying to say. U just threw us into twilight and threw our day phase away.

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Like have you not been reading that we need to not hammer untill everyone claims?

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Now we go into the night phase w/o hiplop and Slanders claim.

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I don't really regret hammering through

Well you should if you'r town since it's 100% downside. There's literally no benefit that hammer gives us.

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@rask I looked at your association wall again, I think you missed DGB/jarjar/slandaar at the end, I think that's the most likely at this point. If that's not correct, it's hard to see jarjar scum, I don't think he was bussing both DGB and LQ/maria. So ehh

Huh? why would I have to be scum w/ slander or LQ/maria?

You have townreads on everyone else?

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First off, Manuel claimed PR. Scum didn't shoot a VT claim


Second, I caught scum w/ my role so we're gonna have a 1v1. Y'all still want me to wait to claim?

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I'm kinda thinking that if I do mine first, it'll add credence to my claim since it'll show that I'm not worried about a counter like I would if I was scum.

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No one claims until fucking hiplop gets in here.

No internet tomorrow or saturday. Will have internet saturday night. Sorry. Moving to college

So we're just gonna twiddle our thumbs for a day n a half?

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Neighbors 2

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I'd guess tracker

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Also I lied. Neighbors 2 was the last move I saw that I hadn't previously seen. But I rewatched Cast Away w/ the family last night.

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I didn't catch a softclaim. You recently asked what roles visit.

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Oh, well that doesn't matter since u said it today and you're role does nothing now and we're all claiming regardless.

I thought u meant u softed it on day 1 or 2.

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meh who cares?

I'm probably gonna get impatient by the time I leave work today and spill what I know also.

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I think anybody that will be making a different claim then what they claimed yesterday for whatever reason AND anyone that didn't claim yesterday (SLander and hiplop I believe) should claim as soon as they show up.

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Tracker and a watcher is unlikely.

Don't really think it's that unlikely w/ this setup. But even still, I'd believe Maria before I'd believe Vedith.

But they're probably both town.

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Didn't you scumread maria?

a lil bit.

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It feels LAMIST. Just like about 1/4 of Marias posts are. I think it's just how she posts.

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SlandAAR and LQ should be the next claims. Don't care the order after that.

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I want slandaar to claim

Why's that?

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........

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Which means we're all waiting for SlandAAR

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He be my pick too. He refused to claim yesterday and has tried to avoid claiming today. Everyone else has now @ least partially claimed and Slandaar has given us nothing so far.

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will do if he shows up and refuses to claim.

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Hiplop claimed

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liar

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The fact that SlandAAR just disappears @ the exact time we're waiting for him to show up and claim looks pretty shitty for him.

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Gunsmith, LQ has a gun.

Popcorn to him so we can find out if it's 1v1 or if he tells us he lied about his VT claim and is actually a vig or cop or something.

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yeah Maria, go ahead and claim

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Also no one put him @ L-1 please. Want to discuss stuff since I'm now a likely NK target.

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I hate that night action maria

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were u scumreading infinity?

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Fire is now pretty much confirmed cause of RB/LQ interactions.

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Assuming Infinity has a way to confirm Vedith, Scum is among:

Rask
Maria
SlandAAR
hiplop

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She can be a mafia tracker.

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And there's no way maria is scum and LYING about infinity. He definitely made that visit.

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I wanna know why infinity checked Vedith of all people

I can think of reasons but wont answer for him.

Infinity is just obv-town by play.

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Kinda leaning towards rask or slandAAR.

Hiplop looks good when u look @ how LQ was all over Ari.

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@jarjar disagree
hip protecting slandaar over any PR claims doesn't make sense

dgb/lq/hip the dream

i guess mafia doc makes sense as a false innocent w/ gunsmith

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so instead of thinking he is faking a result/is scum you think he is just town faking this?

It would be really dumb to claim a guilty on a VT, don't you think? Then again, all the actions are done with so it could be Mafia making a sack fly to get rid of someone with good reads. IDK for sure now.

Why would he as town fake a result on a VT as well?
He claimed PR the other day, did he not?

Like if he is lying he should retract at this point.

When did you get srs I don't like it

He's confirmed town now.

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Get infinity claim before day end though, don't put LQ in selfhammer range yet.

Even after he claims, I'd like to discuss stuff. No one put him @ L-1 please.

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hopefully Infinity claims doc and makes this easy

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who do u think last scum is?

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and why protect slandAAR?

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Sweet

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Took ya long enough..

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wasn't gonna check a PR claim for a gun and only VT claims we had were LQ/Rask/Fire so LQ was the obvious check. If Maria didn't quickhammer and slandAAR claimed VT I may have checked him.

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VOTE: LQ

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Spoiler:

Naomi-Tan

- Top townread. Probably don't need to explain much here as I think most people are townreading Naomi

Infinity

- Town. I like the progression of his Naomi read cause it mirrored how I felt. Honestly I feel like most of his reads this game are for genuine reasons. (though not sure I agree w/ the RB read)

kraska

- Town. The Rask case is something I don't see scum making. It shows some real thought behind it and I actually agree w/ alot of it. And I just see alot of good old-fashioned towny paranoia

Slandaar

- Town. Like most of his reads (not rask though). Very much like the pressure on DGB and just acting very pro-town

Aristophanes/hiplop

- townlean. I liked his posts earlier and saying he loves a case on him just feels like it cant come from scum. Not really enough there for a good read so hopefully hiplop gives us something

Fire Assassin/RB

- very slight townlean. I started off here w/ strong townread but kept downgrading it as I kept reading the ISO. I will usually lean town on an emotional shitting up of the thread cause scum doesn't want to attract too much attention. But there's some pretty awful posts here. And like, he acts like a good player but he has to realize how anti-town is attitude is here.

Manuel87

- null. Man his scumreads are so bad. Other than that I think he seems to be scumhunting and interacting in a town manner. need more here.

LicketyQuickety

- Null slight scumlean. Just like RB, my read here reversed the further into the ISO I got (though it went scumread to null). My original reasoning in 282 still stands. Though I kinda feel like scum would defend their position there instead of just backing down. Don't like how he chose slander to sheep seemingly out of nowhere and he really doesn't have many reads for how many posts he has (readslist was meh). Other than that, his interaction w/ RB reads slight town to me.

Raskolnikov

- slight scumread. Jumped on Naomi, then said that he thinks scum are in the inactives which are contradictory points. Agree w/ the points kraska made. Feel like his "I want to establish a townbloc" is disingenuous since there's no reason he should think that people would accept his as town.

MariaR/Rem

- scum. All of Rems posts seemed scummy to me. Marias posts are LAMIST. Her infinity vote is terrible. LQ vote feel opportunistic. Especially since she was "fairly sure" one of RB/Infinity was scum. The fact that she hasn't reevaluated Infinity makes me fell like she just decided that she should scumread him and is looking for reasons to justify it.

Iprobablysuck/Killthestory

- Scum. Probably DGBs scumbuddy. He keeps telling us he's scumreading DGB but makes no attempt to get him lynched. Instead he finally throws a vote @ LQ, who he's been townreading most of the game w/ no explaination. terrible.

DrippingGoofball

- scum. Already posted about the contradiction in his RB read. Other than that he hasn't done jack shit this game. Furthermore it's been pretty tough getting votes on DGB considering how many people are scumreading him.

Not bad for day 1 reads