Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[Vedith]

Vedith, at one point I remember you scumreading maria and then changing your mind, what happened?

I decided against it.

[Vedith]

Why

Just a feeling.

[Vedith]

Maybe

[Vedith]

But why do you flip read on maria there?

I already went through this and sadly I just don't care enough to keep repeating myself.

You can either vote scum Maria
Or you can vote town me

(This is something I would be saying as either alignment, take it as you will)

[Vedith]

I don't know why slandaar being killed would make you assume maria is scum before she votes when I could easily have done that kill if I were scum.

Why would you ever kill Slandaar over Maria? My possibly lynches were only Slandaar and you. Going by my posting yesterday, Maria would never have been up for the chop from my point of view so if you were scum, keeping Maria alive would have been a lot riskier than Slandaar (Encase I actually built a worthy case against you)
Considering I believed that VT was scum, you removing the other VT here would be stupid.
It looks like you've made your mind up, just vote...

I'm heading home.

[Vedith]

How familiar are you with maria's meta?

It's hard to say.
I think her meta depends on the players she's with, and uses what those players said as town in previous games as her playing field.
Last scum game I was with her (I think I already put this?) she had 2 friends in and seemed more confident in just shouting the entire game, because both of her friends normally town read her for that.
In the game where she was scum with KTS and Zach, I think she was more mellow on the scum sided and just played on her innocence because she wasn't in as much of a comfort zone as she was with Gerry and Trans.
Originally I felt that she was ready to shout towards me as she might be getting slightly more conftable considering we are in a few games together, but then as we were just scumming it together at the time, she quickly backed off, possibly so my alarm bells didn't go off.
I thought I was just thinking too much into it and decided to ignore it.

Here she seems to be trying more in an innocence kind of play as she doesn't have her friends in here to read up for shouting.

I'm not confident enough on Maria's meta to go by that purely (hence the retraction on day 3) as I haven't played with her as town yet (or confirmed town, at least).
However, going by how she acted with Trans and Gerry (and Trans calling her town for it), her town game is being stubborn, loud and a lot more forceful... Again, this could be a comfort thing on personality rather than meta.

[Vedith]

You don't really sound that surprised today seeing me get confirmed as town and her as scum though, given yesterday.

I've already explained this.
Scum can be manipulated imo. If they think 1 thing is bad, they won't go for it. This time it was leaving Maria alive.
Regardless if you think the way I think is stupid, I don't give 2 shits now... I was correct on Infinity and I was correct with you today.

[Vedith]

Also I'm out now.
My phone is on charge so I won't be on for a good few hours.
Have fun talking to Maria...

[Vedith]

I'm home

[Vedith]

@Maria - My apologies for my comments to you earlier

[Vedith]

Dw we all get upset sometimes no harm done now at least try to win okay!

Okay.
VOTE: Maria

[Vedith]

I was town.

[Vedith]

All logic pointed towards me as town as well but oh well... As I said, I only win 3p as scum.

[Vedith]

Doubtful... too many people buy Maria's innocent play.

[Vedith]

I'm just glad you got the game out of the way.
Shame you didn't hammer earlier would have saved me getting as pissed off as I did.

[Vedith]

I don't really care overall if you don't like how I played.
What frustrates me is that I give solid explanation to why someone is town (Infinity) and it just gets discredited straight away.
Even though you thought he was town you instantly said that what I was saying was stupid because I didn't believe scum would claim doc after a doc claim.
The fact you were saying that my counter claim was fake as well pissed me off as you have already seen I don't always read things properly.
The moment that Maria was kept alive you should have been doubting it 100% regardless what you thought of my attitude.
But again, this was the case and you tried to make my reasoning for calling Maria scum there and you town look stupid.

[Vedith]

See, if you wrote that earlier I DEFINITELY would have voted maria.

I was actually going to work on this tomorrow if it was still going.

[Vedith]

I don't understand how you didn't react to that big exchange at all though vedith. I was really anxious to see how you'd respond and when it was completely flat I just. Ugh. Whatever.

You mean from tonight?
At first I was thinking great we can work with this Rask might actually pull through... then I read some more and realised it was never going to happen and you were eating out of Maria's hands.
I was then trying to think is it less scummy to explain why I'm town or why Maria is scum.
I was going to go with why Maria is scum as normally when I'm scum I'm explaining why I'm town...
But as it was quite late I thought I'll do something in the morning.

[Vedith]

@COJ - Yeah I think this is highly town sided too.
An IC reveal day 2 can probably break the game with a mass claim and organising who to check.
This setup a no lynch day 1 doesn't seem terrible either.
I assume you mean scum having tracker is weak for scum to town? If so I agree, I think that a Roleblocker would work better and the IC removed for another VT (I'm biased to the IC role lol)
The idea of this setup is pretty good though.

Thanks for modding Marquis.

[Vedith]

So you don't think if a Doc claims D1/D2 the other cc and we lynch through both every time? Like what?

Probably have to learn to be a bit more open minded I guess.
How many games have you honestly got to at that stage and the answer of who's scum is really that easy?
I'd say about 30% for me.