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I'm not sure about mallet teemo but I'm firmly convinced that mallet/pd yas is better than shiv/ie yasThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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it's a trade-off
ap build deals more damage in theory but mallet ensares enemies long enough to actually get damage off / kill them and/or more successfully kite them
mallet is also tankier, ofc
right now the ap build is winning more but idk how to decide which to pursue in a given game
EDIT: actually which build is winning more depends on which site you check i guess- Psyche
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http://na.op.gg/champion/teemo/statistics/top
his winningest (not most popular) skill order now prioritizes w over q, which makes sense if you're not building ap, i think
will be nice to try that out- Psyche
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mobile assassins(zed, yasuo) kill syndra hardThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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if you've made the syndra fall behind then you've successfully countered her which answers psyche questions about what to do against her
akali top is disgusting btw, you can reliably proc your q and 90% of the time they have no spells to use against your stealthThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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Quinn's q no longer makes Renekton's w miss, so I am not sure how that would impact the matchup. Used to be quinn just flat out won because of that bug.
Teemo's a lot less scary (for renekton, cho'gath, etc) now that everyone's building him ap. Renekton has sustain in his q, and mr isn't terribly expensive to get. AD teemo's poke was way more consistent and thus way more difficult to deal with. AP teemo just doesn't have that same level of sustained damage.
Darius' q outranges renekton, his cooldowns are slightly shorter on everything but e, and his ability to win extended duels is significantly higher (though renekton still has better burst damage potential). A key in this matchup is actually for darius to not use his q until renekton has used his e - gator can e into the q to avoid the blade and win the trade otherwise. Darius' passive means that he doesn't need the q to win trades as long as he can make them last a few seconds longer than renekton wants them to. Also, if you start w on darius and try for a level one all in, you should actually be able to win it (start corrupting potion so you can sustain through and add a bit more damage to your engage).
The darius vs renekton matchup is in Darius' favor, but the margin for error is higher than other good matchups into renekton.
Trundle beats renekton due to better dps, the ability to sustain through early trades because of his passive, and a much much more powerful late game presence.
Olaf works well into Renekton. He's got exceptional base damage which is sustained from low axe cooldown + low e cooldown (as long as you're fighting). He also has built in sustain on his w.
Kayle punishes Renekton fairly hard for any attempts to engage, pokes well, and has strong minion wave control. She also turns into a late game monstrosity.don't you feel silly now?- zoraster
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I think Teemo is just fine against melee champions. What he struggles with are champions that deal damage and have gap closers and stuns. Renekton, Pantheon (god pantheon sucks), Riven, Irelia, Yasuo (no stun but still) are all pretty tough for Teemo to deal with.
But melee champions like Tryndamere, Akali, Xin Zhao, Garen, Darius, Shen (who has a gap closer and CC but pretty easy to deal with), Nasus are all pretty easy..- zoraster
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Shens almost always do badly when I play games against them for some reason. VS Irelia(my main top) I estimate they land maybe 5% if their tauntsThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
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A major issue with shen is that him landing his engage isn't nearly as threatening as just about any other engaging melee champion in the game, damage-wise. It enables ganks well, but aside from that you're not really going to be like "oh no shen landed one engage, I am about to die or nearly die" - whereas if you get caught by renekton, xin, olaf, cho'gath, pantheon, et al and get all in'd, you're probably dead.In post 1315, Randomnamechange wrote:Shen can take teemo apart if he can land taunts. If he gets a e + q + w trade off he can basically equal teemo's poke dmg over time
So if you aren't about to die, you can just kinda... keep hitting the guy as he tries to walk away after hitting you. Whereas against the aforementioned people, you're either dead or about to be if you keep hitting them, so you have to back off somewhat, leading to them to be able to walk away from you and wait for their cooldowns.don't you feel silly now?- animorpherv1
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Teemo .always ripped Shen apart. Old Shen had to choose between Teemo and getting farm, and current Shen is even worse for that."Animorpherv1's posts are so powerful that prolonged exposure may cause vertigo, nausea, acute tinnitus, and in rare cases, death." - vonflare
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he does pretty well against immobile sustain guys like maokai. his damage is actually respectable but gets way outdone by people with disengageIn post 1320, Accountant wrote:Shen rips noone apartShowW(eed)/L: 420/2
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its one of my pocket picks against cheese champs like zac, hec, xin zhao. you win lane and thats pretty big for a shenShowW(eed)/L: 420/2
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They are bad then. In lane i probably land about 50% at least and the ones that don't land are due to them dodging or a slight miscalculation.In post 1317, Accountant wrote:Shens almost always do badly when I play games against them for some reason. VS Irelia(my main top) I estimate they land maybe 5% if their taunts
The thing is, people at my ELO don't expect it from Shen, and don't respect his damage, so they will keep letting you trade with them while your cooldowns are up.In post 1318, RayFrost wrote:
A major issue with shen is that him landing his engage isn't nearly as threatening as just about any other engaging melee champion in the game, damage-wise. It enables ganks well, but aside from that you're not really going to be like "oh no shen landed one engage, I am about to die or nearly die" - whereas if you get caught by renekton, xin, olaf, cho'gath, pantheon, et al and get all in'd, you're probably dead.In post 1315, Randomnamechange wrote:Shen can take teemo apart if he can land taunts. If he gets a e + q + w trade off he can basically equal teemo's poke dmg over time
So if you aren't about to die, you can just kinda... keep hitting the guy as he tries to walk away after hitting you. Whereas against the aforementioned people, you're either dead or about to be if you keep hitting them, so you have to back off somewhat, leading to them to be able to walk away from you and wait for their cooldowns.
I win top lane in laning phase in the majority of my shen games.In post 1320, Accountant wrote:Shen rips noone apartvonflare (21:40)
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