Mini Normal 1823 - Game Over

[Mimikyu]

Z's town i think his questions were very genuine.

Agree completely.

Can I vote mimikyu cause I'm jealous of their name? That pokemon is so cute

No you can't vote me for it but you can like it

zyf, and to a lesser extent, sonia, are town.

I'm not having trans this game. nor tex. put them in a pile with blackstar.

Why do you think Sonia is town?

transcend please vote someone who will give us a coherent wagon, voting someone who hasn't posted and is probably going to get prodded/replaced doesn't help us.
VOTE: gerry

@MH-Prod policy?

The game hadn't even been going for 24 hours Zyf.

Sheeping 50.
VOTE: Sonia

[Mimikyu]

yeah okay that was honestly a grudge vote and i'll change it now because this guy's opening post was shit

VOTE: Mimi

Hi Transcend

[Mimikyu]

Alg and sonia lean town.

Blackstar feels scummy but i fosed him instantly in our game and he was town lol.

Also these reads are bad.

[Mimikyu]

Anyone who says ____ reads are bad without saying why will be put on my list of scum

I'm looking for him to justify those reads.

Also it looks like you're actually playing now. Welcome

[Mimikyu]

Anyone who says ____ reads are bad without saying why will be put on my list of scum

+1

Since you now know Sonia isn't newbtown, what do you make of her entrance and posts thusfar?

[Mimikyu]

Wait a second
If there was a Night 0
Why did no one die

Is this serious?

[Mimikyu]

Wait a second
If there was a Night 0
Why did no one die

Is this serious?

Yes

Because I've only played newbies

Ah ok. Well basically night 0 is generally just for flavor. Never played in a game where there was actually night actions that "night".

Also, per Lowell's wiki, he has a 41% winrate in 98 games. Was a joke.

[Mimikyu]

Ah ok. Well basically night 0 is generally just for flavor. Never played in a game where there was actually night actions that "night".

Well, this is a Normal game with no flavor...


You think there were no actions during N0?

Considering how quickly the mod went from Night 0 to Day 1, it seems most likely that Night 0 just meant nothing. That being said I don't think I've never actually played a game with actions done during a "Night 0".

[Mimikyu]

For pretty much every single one of his posts.

Even his recent questioning of algrebra has a very unconcerned tone to it.

I'll agree that a newer player likely sounds more concerned in this scenario.

[Mimikyu]

For pretty much every single one of his posts.

Even his recent questioning of algrebra has a very unconcerned tone to it.

I'll agree that a newer player likely sounds more concerned in this scenario.

It's also very obvious that, while he may be new to the site, he is definitely not new to Mafia.

In that case, he gets no town-points for that lax attitude.

[Mimikyu]

That mimi guy is scum btw

Nah.

@Xyfuku
you seriously don't see anything wrong with gerry never voting? Even after saying a bunch of things to suggest people are voteworthy to them?

This is FoS-worthy, BUT it's possible he is not someone comfortable throwing around their vote. I would also say I am generally someone that doesn't move around their vote a lot.

[Mimikyu]

That's almost as sad as Transcend's IQ score.

case proven

Hey you and gerry are best friends. Does he typically abstain from voting?

[Mimikyu]

I should also note that you're making an awfully big deal over what was essentially an excuse for a random vote.

Except you've not backed it up multiple times.

[Mimikyu]

VOTE: eagerSnake

[Mimikyu]

Saru is scum

Agree.

[Mimikyu]

Not any solid ones. I might have to re-read at a later point as this game is moving quite quickly and I'm mostly skimming to catch up. I'll take a look at the Snake wagon, as that built up too quickly, which usually means atleast 1 scum is on it.

Do you think wagon speed day 1 is indicative of its alignment makeup?

[Mimikyu]

Speed wagons on D1 don't always mean scum is on it, it mostly depends on the person being wagoned. I'm slightly leaning towards Snake being noob town who is trying to show off by making what he thinks are astute observations. So that being said, there's a good chance scum is on his wagon, as he is easy prey for them.

Not saying this can't happen, but I have never seen noobtown enter a game and try to show off. Seems like a stretch for such an early read.

[Mimikyu]

Saru hard claimed scum lol

Do you still think Snake is scum and Saru is defending a partner?

FWIW, I think Saru is scum either defending a partner or WKing Snake.

VOTE: Saru

[Mimikyu]

Wouldn't...that be the only 2 cases it could be?

Yes, but making it clear it could be either and that's irrelevant to the scumread.

[Mimikyu]

Everyone take a step back before someone ends up getting replaced.

[Mimikyu]

Wow let me tell you guys something

I'm probably going to replace out

I can't keep up with 5 new pages every time I look at the game

I've never played in a game this large and I'm not used to having to read so many pages more like 1-5 posts to read then I can post

I have a 16mo old girl and I'm actively engaged in looking for work so I'm sorry I just don't think I have the time for this. I didn't expect it to move this fast. Really I wanted to play a newbie game but they said I had to play a non newbie to play newbies again because I had played too many newbies

I'm sorry for being useless if I can't find the time tonight I will replace out OK

Hey don't worry about it buddy. Sorry the game wasn't a good match Wishing the best for your work-search and with my third on the way, definitely wishing luck with your kid!

K guys lets murder saru
fuck claiming

No, Saru should claim if they get to L-1.

[Mimikyu]

I love how people prob I'm joking when I call Zyr scum but just wait until the night is over.

What made you switch from Saru to Snake in 420?

[Mimikyu]

This seems to easy but hey w/e why should I care.

VOTE: Saru

If you get off the wagon I'm insta-voting you tomorrow

That just reads like overeager town to me. It pings that much as scum to you?

[Mimikyu]

This seems to easy but hey w/e why should I care.

VOTE: Saru

If you get off the wagon I'm insta-voting you tomorrow

if saru flips scum sonia is likely scum for her play

No. Scum-Sonia doesn't flip off of a scum-wagon when a lynch seems inevitable.

[Mimikyu]

Zyr is srsly fucking scum and I will make sure I die trying to get him lynched

Why is he not bloodthirsty town? Don't let someone's annoying play discourage you from making the right play.

[Mimikyu]

Zyr is srsly fucking scum and I will make sure I die trying to get him lynched

Why is he not bloodthirsty town? Don't let someone's annoying play discourage you from making the right play.

did you just call me annoying m8

sonia is stable and hepful then?

I didn't say one way or the other, but it appears she thinks your play is annoying.

[Mimikyu]

1) To the walling against each other: All you're doing is making it easier for scum to hide and harder for town to be motivated to wade through and actually contribute.
2) Can we please stop talking about claims of any kind unless it's an explicit request in the face of a lynch.

[Mimikyu]

But i'm voting scum rn?????????

Even if you are, neither of you is going to convince anyone to vote for the other today.

[Mimikyu]

Seems like my suspicion of Snake being n00b was right. That doesn't excuse his contradiction however. Since he hasn't provided a reaction to his wagon, I can't say at this point what I think about him. I guess I'll have to wait until he comes back or for his replacement before I can judge that.

Scum is feeling like Transcend and Xkfyu at this point. They got "personal" with each other a while back and then all of a sudden Xkfyu sheeps Transcend with no reasoning and they're all lovey-dovey now. Say what?

Zyf is so desperate for my lynch that it feels like over-eager town, but I've been burned before with that logic, so we'll see.

VOTE: Transcend
I can do Xkfyu as well.

@MOD: Can we get a VC? Pretty please and thanks.

Ugh I don't actually hate this, since that Transcend/Xkfyu battle pinged me as potentially contrived. Feels like there is lower-hanging fruit if you're going to try to start a counter-wagon.

UNVOTE:

[Mimikyu]

Seems like my suspicion of Snake being n00b was right. That doesn't excuse his contradiction however. Since he hasn't provided a reaction to his wagon, I can't say at this point what I think about him. I guess I'll have to wait until he comes back or for his replacement before I can judge that.

Scum is feeling like Transcend and Xkfyu at this point. They got "personal" with each other a while back and then all of a sudden Xkfyu sheeps Transcend with no reasoning and they're all lovey-dovey now. Say what?

Zyf is so desperate for my lynch that it feels like over-eager town, but I've been burned before with that logic, so we'll see.

VOTE: Transcend
I can do Xkfyu as well.

@MOD: Can we get a VC? Pretty please and thanks.

Ugh I don't actually hate this, since that Transcend/Xkfyu battle pinged me as potentially contrived. Feels like there is lower-hanging fruit if you're going to try to start a counter-wagon.

UNVOTE:

>.>
fuck you guys
gdi get on the saru wagon

What do you feel about Saru's comments?

[Mimikyu]

Gerry Oat:

Do me a solid and vote conf scum Saru

Isn't he at L2? Also, the bw on him was pretty quick. idk about that

What's with u ppl thinking high speed D1 wagons must be bad wagons

Eh, they usually are.

I now know Transcend is either A) Mafia with Zyr or B) Awful at reading this game and should never play again already stated why Zyr is scum XDDDD

Honestly, all 4 of us are probably town and making a bunch of noise, making it easy for scum to stay under the radar.

This pings, so I'm quoting it for later.

Nothing much better for now unfortunately.

[Mimikyu]

In post 530, Zyf wrote:
In post 524, gerryoat wrote:
In post 522, Transcend wrote:
Gerry Oat:

Do me a solid and vote conf scum Saru


Isn't he at L2? Also, the bw on him was pretty quick. idk about that

What's with u ppl thinking high speed D1 wagons must be bad wagons

Eh, they usually are.

Define the term "bad wagon," because I don't think there is any such thing as a bad wagon.

A wagon on town is a bad wagon.

In post 542, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 541, xSoniaNevermindx wrote:
I now know Transcend is either A) Mafia with Zyr or B) Awful at reading this game and should never play again already stated why Zyr is scum XDDDD

Honestly, all 4 of us are probably town and making a bunch of noise, making it easy for scum to stay under the radar.

This pings, so I'm quoting it for later.

Nothing much better for now unfortunately.

Why wait?

Instead of just throwing some shade, let's talk about it now.

Well I don't have much to back it up for now, but the post itself pings because you're lumping four different people together as town. Great way for scum to try and create the image that they are lumped in with other townies.

[Mimikyu]

A wagon on town is a bad wagon.

Yeah, that's what I figured you meant.

What if a townies lynch directly resulted in catching one scum? Would you still consider that to be a "bad wagon?"

No, but that's not really how it works. Just because lynching one town helped us figure out who the next scum was in a certain situation, that doesn't mean that it was the best choice. Maybe we could have talked and just found the scum without lynching the townie.

[Mimikyu]

Hey why don't we hate MariaR or Tiershift more?

[Mimikyu]

Hey why don't we hate MariaR or Tiershift more?

I actually do think I hate Tiershift, but I'd have to go back to make sure. I have this feeling of hatred when I read the name, but I don't remember why.

But MariaR is Sonia, and she is definitely town.

Oooh that's right. Just was looking at posting activity because it felt like we had some lurkers. Ignore the MariaR thing. But as others have mentioned, yes algebra can take her place on that list.

[Mimikyu]

You guys are making this game so hard to keep up with -_- Zyf you literally have more posts then the next two highest people combined.

[Mimikyu]

The case on saru is that + the fact that your slot was scummy af but Saru was the only one who came in and WK-ed it, which either means scumbuddy protection or scum trying to get town points.

Town white knight more than scum. So what else was there?
I haven't seen yet, can you confirm is Saru was at L1 with intent when claiming?

No, she was never at L-1 with intent.

[Mimikyu]

No, she was never at L-1 with intent.

I'm being blind, post me the claim?

1) Why would you do it? So that if/when he flipped town people would be like "oh wow saru was right let's trust them"

Wait, so apparently I'm scum with Snake(which you're 100% sure about) but I'm also scum who is WK-ing a town Snake. What? Guess you contradicted yourself and now you're confirmed scum for that.

Anyways, I'm just going to claim right now because fuck it. Alas, I am but a VT. I hate being VT anyways so whatevs.

[Mimikyu]

Mimi

(not with TierShift) - Post 615. I checked the Activity Overview page at the time of this post, and TierShift and MariaR were both listed right next to each other at the bottom of the list (sorted by post count). See my 622.

I said that I was looking at them because of their post count because it felt like we had lurkers. This is no secret.

FWIW your list of Town-->Scum is almost exactly the list based on post count (me being the exception).

[Mimikyu]

Mimi

(not with TierShift) - Post 615. I checked the Activity Overview page at the time of this post, and TierShift and MariaR were both listed right next to each other at the bottom of the list (sorted by post count). See my 622.

I said that I was looking at them because of their post count because it felt like we had lurkers. This is no secret.

FWIW your list of Town-->Scum is almost exactly the list based on post count (me being the exception).

Yeah, but I don't think you looked at them. I think you just looked at the Activity Overview and claimed that you "hated" them. If you had ACTUALLY looked at them, you would have remembered that MariaR was actually Sonia.

1) Did I say I hated them?

2) I did look at them, saw a couple comments from each, but obviously limited post counts which indicated lurking to me (clearly wrong on the Sonia one).

3) This only works if I'm terrible terrible noobscum, which A) I'm not a noob and B) I'm not scum.

[Mimikyu]

1) Did I say I hated them?

2) I did look at them, saw a couple comments from each, but obviously limited post counts which indicated lurking to me (clearly wrong on the Sonia one).

3) This only works if I'm terrible terrible noobscum, which A) I'm not a noob and B) I'm not scum.

1) This is what you said:

Hey why don't we hate MariaR or Tiershift more?

That's close enough.

2) And blindly pushing lurkers as scum, when so much else has happened, is scummy.

3) I assume you'll understand if I don't just take your word for it?

1) Not really. Goal was to get other people thinking about some lurkers, since scum would have an especially easy time lurking in this game with all the walling back and forth.

2) See 1). We can focus on all of the walling when all of the scum could possibly be contained in individuals with 15 posts or less.

3) Nope

Clearly you see that lurkers are problematic because 2/3 of your scum are borderline lurkers.

[Mimikyu]

2) See 1). We can focus on all of the walling when all of

the scum could possibly be contained in individuals with 15 posts or less.

3) Nope

Clearly you see that lurkers are problematic because 2/3 of your scum are borderline lurkers.

Do you think this is the case?

Likely not, but the point that we shouldn't focus on lurkers because "there is plenty to talk about" is silly because it's possible that all we are talking about is a bunch of townies.

[Mimikyu]

Likely not, but the point that we shouldn't focus on lurkers because "there is plenty to talk about" is silly because it's possible that all we are talking about is a bunch of townies.

Doesn't that touch borderline policy lynch.
Surely it's the fake content or lack of it with posting you want to look for.

Nope not at all.

In no way have I ever advocated for lynching one of the lurkers

instead

of one of the actives. I have and will continue to advocate for us not

ignoring

the lurkers just because there may be other talkative people available, because the fact is that it's

possible

that everyone super-active is town.

[Mimikyu]

Nope not at all.

In no way have I ever advocated for lynching one of the lurkers instead of one of the actives. I have and will continue to advocate for us not ignoring the lurkers just because there may be other talkative people available, because the fact is that it's possible that everyone super-active is town.

Plausible, just not probably.
Define active in your eyes. Not being prodded, 10 posts a day? Can these posts be "Yeah this person is scum" with nothing else?
This is why I dislike the 'lets kill all lurkers'.
It's an opportunity place for scum to join, it's an easy way out.
That said - putting high pressure on lurkers I do like.

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

[Mimikyu]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

I don't love doing whole formal reads lists at this point necessarily, but I will say I feel like Saru, Blackstar, and Transcend are all town. Xkfyu is probably scum. On the fence on Sonia. Zyf could easily be scum. To be honest don't have a good read one way or the other at this point. Seems like one of algebra/Tiershift are scum. Obviously eagerSnake had a bad intro, but it feels like it may have just been overeager town, especially since I've liked your play since then for the most part.

[Mimikyu]

and Transcend are all town

Talk to me about Trans.
Originally I thought that Trans was just having the louder players as town, then I noticed that Trans is likes xkfyu as scum, so that case was out of the window.
I don't like her early game she distances for blackstar looking scum, but doesn't have any intention on following her read apart from referring to a previous game.

With Tieshift, do you agree with Xkfyu's comment? 784
Also with algebra, do you think his post has any backing?

You also like Xkfyu as scum, do you think he's bussing his team mates? His vote went from Tieshift to algebra and I feel that the only decent scum read he had was the Mimi out of the 3.

While there are a lot of loud players, Trans feels like he is actually scumhunting, while the others feel like they're making noise to an extent. A large part of this is gut admittedly.

For Tiershift and algebra, it's their entire bodies of work up to that point. These are your classic "empty posts".

I don't focus on associations too much this early. All of my scumreads are independent of one another. I always re-evaluate following a flip anyway.

I almost want to policy lynch Zyf for making this game so hard to keep up with. If you're going to post a lot of content fine, but it's the mixture of content with piles of posturing/trolling that's killing me. He could be scum for doing what he's doing too. It'd be incredibly difficult for anyone to ISO him and do any kind of real analysis because it'd just be far too tumultuous.

[Mimikyu]

Zyf is slowly losing obv town status. I just want a solid case on him, and i know he'll be tough to iso but please find some time to do it.

Sonia made a fucking fantastic case for why i'm scum
VOTE: mimikyu for suggesting that a policy lynch is viable when there is plenty of scummier players to go around

It seems you missed the "almost" part. Very very rarely will I ever endorse a policy lynch and this is not one of those times. It was more a plead to you to stop the fluff/posturing posts. You're not even on the list of people I listed as probable scum, although you are working your way up.

[Mimikyu]

Eh let's go then.

VOTE: Zyf

[Mimikyu]

Mimikyu hard claimed scum lol

Pretty fortuitous that I'm now the 3rd person in this game to hardclaim scum according to you.

[Mimikyu]

Then i guess i have all 3 scum

Just vote Zyf with me. Lynching him is a win for town either way.

[Mimikyu]

Your "posturing" bias mainly applies to the content when no one else was around
For being inconsistent with you reads. At this point in the game omgus isn't fucking viable anymore

Also you have very little right to talk considering the fact you've done virtually nothing yourself

I wouldn't say I've done nothing, but then again when you post 100 times a day and yell/tunnel at everyone, it probably seems like most others are doing nothing.

I also said you could very easily be scum in my last post. Not typically one for OMGUS, but then again my vote wasn't on anyone, so you seemed just as good as anyone else I sort of suspected.

Then i guess i have all 3 scum

Just vote Zyf with me. Lynching him is a win for town either way.

Damn i guess i moved up a ton on your lynch list for doing nothing
Scumbutt

Post a fucking reads list right now and abide to it
Otherwise you're just conveniently shifting around your reads to vote any given person

I already did post one, and you were mentioned as possible scum. Others looked more probable, but I think town gains the most info out of you dying as either alignment.

Then i guess i have all 3 scum

Just vote Zyf with me. Lynching him is a win for town either way.

No.

I don't policy lynch.

I only lynch people i fos.

It's not a policy lynch. It's a scumlynch with a consolation if he's not scum.

[Mimikyu]

Don't think that was a slip from Transcend.

[Mimikyu]

Don't think that was a slip from Transcend.

What makes you sr zyf besides his BS iso?

He's making noise and he's voting for everyone. His votes, in order (first two are arguably RVS, but rest seem legit):
Transcend
Mimikyu
Gerryoat
Eagersnake
Saru
Snake/Vedith
Tiershift
Mimikyu
Xkfyu

I've never heard people call the scum team wolves, but whatever

FWIW, the majority of my "mafia" experience is playing IRL Werewolf.

Don't think that was a slip from Transcend.

What makes you sr zyf besides his BS iso?

Mimikyu continues readslist less

Except I don't. I posted one, just not in a formal format.

[Mimikyu]

Dear mimikyu
You are biased
Xkfyu had 0 rvs votes and has shifted votes more than i have

Naturally, this won't be ending your tunnel, but just know that

Well you'll notice Xkfyu isn't in my town-pile. But your lynch is more pressing I think.

Also Lowell is town. That post was thread MVP.

[Mimikyu]

I don't think you should townread that at all because that's very easy to make I don't think it's AI look at the reads themselves

I did. I'm not townreading it because of the size and effort to make it. I'm townreading it because the thought processes and read all make sense to me.

[Mimikyu]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

I don't love doing whole formal reads lists at this point necessarily, but I will say I feel like Saru, Blackstar, and Transcend are all town. Xkfyu is probably scum. On the fence on Sonia. Zyf could easily be scum. To be honest don't have a good read one way or the other at this point. Seems like one of algebra/Tiershift are scum. Obviously eagerSnake had a bad intro, but it feels like it may have just been overeager town, especially since I've liked your play since then for the most part.

oh this list
This is a terrible list wow

You'd think if it was so bad you wouldn't need to ATR.

[Mimikyu]

atr?

Appeal to ridicule.

[Mimikyu]

Mimikyu-Can you please articulate why I am scum? With more reason than "shifting votes" which is a horrible reason considering how much time I've spent in thread relative to all of you combined?

If you're expecting a clear articulation of why

anyone

is scum on Day 1, then I suggest you lower your expectations. I've explained why I think you're scum though.

[Mimikyu]

atr?

Appeal to ridicule.

ah you want me to explain /why/ it's bad
Sure
it's opportunistic as fuck
first of all, you have sonia, who's pretty highly townread, "on the fence" so that if things go your way (someone pushes them) you can vote them, while keeping them high enough not to get any weird looks
next, you have Xkfyu as scum, which you never go on to vote for because there's no wagon there
third, you put two lurkers in your scum pile but don't do anything with it, simply saying you think "one" of them is scum–in other words, you can vote whichever wagon gets more force later on
also you have half of your list below town as possible votables
you also conveniently forget people; i don't appreciate that, because those are freebies for later on.
Lastly, you say I could "easily be scum" followed by a sentence suggesting I'm null to you
so that you can get away with it no matter what happens

you also say you don't have a "solid read" on me but apparently voting null people when there's 4 scum in your list is normal

1) Zero interest in voting Sonia today. Reading my post it's clear there's a distinction between her and your position on my list, despite me being ultimately undecided on both at the time.
2) No point in pushing a wagon that has no traction on day 1. Waste of a vote.
3) Not voting either today, but seems likely one is scum. Not the only person to have this stance.
4) Day 1 reads should be fairly fluid, because anyone with a firm list is either overconfident or ignorant. Additionally, I had a total of 4 as possible votes. Nullscum and below are possible for votes from me. Nulls are not. 4/13 is not half.
5) If I was "forgetting people to be freebies later on", isn't casting slight shade just strictly better? This just doesn't make sense.
6) My wording on you doesn't imply a null. It implies a null-scum, which you yourself picked up on when you so nicely organized my list.

To be honest you did a good job pointing out potential issues in my list, but that still doesn't make you town.

[Mimikyu]

you still have 0 good reasons for voting me
please lay them out nice and pretty for me in list format
thanks

1) You're making a lot of non-content noise. Zero town-incentive to do this. Large scum-incentive to do this.
2) You're switching your vote around a ton. Interesting you criticize me for supposedly having such a large lynch pool when you voting for everyone makes an even more effective large one. "Well I suspected them before when I voted for them".
3) You ping me.

[Mimikyu]

Votecount 1.07

Xkfyu (2)

Zyf , Lowell ,

Transcend (2)

Saru , Vedith ,

TierShift (1)

texcat ,

gerryoat (1)

TierShift ,

Mimikyu (1)

Transcend ,

Zyf (3)

Mimikyu , xSoniaNevermindx , Xkfyu ,

Not Voting (3)

algebra , BlackStar , gerryoat ,

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

wow
ok
this is terrible

can we please consolidate our votes /somewhere/

Hey we've started to consolidate. Already have a wagon of 3 going.

[Mimikyu]

Votecount 1.07

Xkfyu (2)

Zyf , Lowell ,

Transcend (2)

Saru , Vedith ,

TierShift (1)

texcat ,

gerryoat (1)

TierShift ,

Mimikyu (1)

Transcend ,

Zyf (3)

Mimikyu , xSoniaNevermindx , Xkfyu ,

Not Voting (3)

algebra , BlackStar , gerryoat ,

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch!

wow
ok
this is terrible

can we please consolidate our votes /somewhere/

Hey we've started to consolidate. Already have a wagon of 3 going.

I don't even give a shit if it's me
this is a terrible gamestate for town because nothing's getting done
btw there's also 2 wagons of 2 which doesn't help either

Is it terrible? We have literally over 10 days left.

[Mimikyu]

you still have 0 good reasons for voting me
please lay them out nice and pretty for me in list format
thanks

1) You're making a lot of non-content noise. Zero town-incentive to do this. Large scum-incentive to do this.
2) You're switching your vote around a ton. Interesting you criticize me for supposedly having such a large lynch pool when you voting for everyone makes an even more effective large one. "Well I suspected them before when I voted for them".
3) You ping me.

1) what is this noise you speak of
2) I've been pretty consistent for the most part but after saru there's been a lot of little things to pick at, but no large leads
the problem is that a lot of the scummier-looking people are lurking, so unless we get them to L-2/L-1 and get them prodded, nothing's gonna get done
3) great reason that I can totally defend against
it's not even a post/collection of posts that pings you, apparently it's my existence?

1) Certainly not going to list them all, but I looked for posts after RVS and this one is a good example (although there are many more)

Lowell is town but I officially don't trust him for jack shit because he makes terrible life decisions

2) Disagree that you've been consistent.
3) Yes, which is why that's a gut-portion of my read. Always need to have some of that.

[Mimikyu]

you yourself acknowledge that noise is bad
right now votes are flying everywhere with little to no direction
we may have 10 days, but I'm not worried about time
I'm worried about the content we're going to have to sift through that's not even useful

No one said all we could produce for the next 10 days are noise. And

you

are worried about people sifting through content? Are you kidding?

[Mimikyu]

it seems the buzzard is town
it's hardly a conformist catch-up

Agreed.

[Mimikyu]

today's lynch is xf or blackstar preferably the latter

NOT texcat

Doubt blackstar is happening.

[Mimikyu]

Eh this one's gonna get farther toDay
VOTE: blackstar

What? You have now voted for literally over half of the player pool FYI.

[Mimikyu]

Notice Zyf has not voted his partner Transcend and unvoted snake quite fast

I still think Zyf is our best lynch by far

Yep.

[Mimikyu]

Eh this one's gonna get farther toDay
VOTE: blackstar

What? You have now voted for literally over half of the player pool FYI.

Stop tunneling idiotically and start voting someone who's more scummy than someone who's "voted a lot"

I'm also voting you because you tried calling me out for having a handful of people as possible scum when you have, as I've said, literally voted for over half the town. You seem to have forgotten your scum-play when you tried to discredit my list.

Also want to echo Sonia. You need to learn how to talk to people. Calling people idiots isn't a good way to make friends.

[Mimikyu]

I unvoted a lot of people like that
I also explained that i think there's something up with vedith but i don't know what it is so I'm not going to bother trying to wagon them

Ok sure but supposedly it's opportunistic for me to leave a few people as "possible scum" or nulls yet you have half the town to fall back on "well I voted them before".

[Mimikyu]

mimi voting a lot is not a scumtell

Tell me what you think about blackstar

I didn't say it was. But when he quickly attacked my readslist as scummy for reasons that apply to his voting, it seems a little off.

I think Blackstar is fine for now. I don't really agree that he hasn't been scumhunting. He's probably been a bit distanced, but I doubt I'd be willing to vote him today. Overall town feeling from me.

[Mimikyu]

Eh this one's gonna get farther toDay
VOTE: blackstar

What? You have now voted for literally over half of the player pool FYI.

Stop tunneling idiotically and start voting someone who's more scummy than someone who's "voted a lot"

I'm also voting you because you tried calling me out for having a handful of people as possible scum when you have, as I've said, literally voted for over half the town. You seem to have forgotten your scum-play when you tried to discredit my list.

Also want to echo Sonia. You need to learn how to talk to people. Calling people idiots isn't a good way to make friends.

1) calling someone's decision stupid != calling them stupid as a whole
2) why the fuck would I want to be "friends" with 2 people who think I'm scum when I'm not
And are going about it in a very dumb, tunnely way
3) there's a difference between sr-ing lots of people at once and changing your mind as to who's scum and who's town

1) This is clearly you calling us stupid, not our decisions.

Lol k
Keep trying idiots

2) People in general don't listen to those that are abrasive.
3) Agreed, but they are functionally very similar for the sake of lining up future lynch options.

[Mimikyu]

Well here's the problem. You're obviously never going to be NK'd now if you're town, so we can never actually confirm your role. For all intents and purposes, you are a VT at this point if you're telling the truth.

I am leaving my vote as is.

[Mimikyu]

Well here's the problem. You're obviously never going to be NK'd now if you're town, so we can never actually confirm your role. For all intents and purposes, you are a VT at this point if you're telling the truth.

I am leaving my vote as is.

What the actual fuck no
VOTE: Mimikyu

for all intents and purposes I'm conftown in a LYLO situation that's not going to die before then and if I am, I'll know directly beforehand.

Also, I would have no reason to lie if I was scum (which I'm not) because I'm not claiming with 6 people on my wagon–there's one person tunneling the fuck out of me and there's one that can only say I'm scummy for hypocrisy?

How are you conftown in a LYLO situation? Only if you're telling the truth, which we will never know.

[Mimikyu]

Well here's the problem. You're obviously never going to be NK'd now if you're town, so we can never actually confirm your role. For all intents and purposes, you are a VT at this point if you're telling the truth.

I am leaving my vote as is.

What the actual fuck no
VOTE: Mimikyu

for all intents and purposes I'm conftown in a LYLO situation that's not going to die before then and if I am, I'll know directly beforehand.

Also, I would have no reason to lie if I was scum (which I'm not) because I'm not claiming with 6 people on my wagon–there's one person tunneling the fuck out of me and there's one that can only say I'm scummy for hypocrisy?

How are you conftown in a LYLO situation? Only if you're telling the truth, which we will never know.

Because you should trust someone if they have no reason to lie?

How do you have no reason to lie? I think you saw the writing on the wall and knew a Zyf-lynch was coming soon (today or tomorrow) and decided it looks less scummy to claim now than when your back is truly against the wall. No you get to make the excuse of why would you lie. And what I just said is why you would lie.

[Mimikyu]

And conveniently you claim something that won't draw any suspicion if you never get NK'd and is almost impossible to verify.

[Mimikyu]

Come on Zyf...

[Mimikyu]

why should I
I'm dealing with an idiot who thinks I'm scum
inb4 replacing out means I'm just scared scum
lol I can read your mind

Maybe if many of your responses to people scumreading you weren't all "lol idiot" then you could get some people on your side.

[Mimikyu]

I don't take him subbing out as AI at all because I can see him doing this if things don't go his way as scum/town debating if I want to keep my vote on the slot or not

Agree it's not AI.

[Mimikyu]

I think my biggest wonder is if the sub will continue that claim or not but I guess for now
UNVOTE:

Always best to see what someone has to say.

They have to unless you think he was lying as town, which I think can't be true.

[Mimikyu]

Doing my best to stay current:

I've liked blackstar of late.

texcat still does not impress, nor does xk. trans still ought to die as well, though it can wait if need be.

Feeling very town on mimi and zyf. also, @zyf, you're fine, and I admire your passion. I like zyf's claim there. If I had that role I'd probably have done the exact same thing, and it's hard to imagine him fake-claiming it as scum when he wasn't in any real danger.

I feel like you're town, but I think you're wrong here. It's a great time to claim, since I think he realized he

was

going to be in danger. More credible now than later, and no way of confirming/disproving.

[Mimikyu]

First impression is dwlee's entrance makes me feel better about the slot, but still need to think about it.

[Mimikyu]

VOTE: dwlee

Do you honestly wonder why people think you are scum?

Dwlee is a BP. All we need is further proof in the game and it's one of scums biggest problems. Even if he is scum lynching him today is not the right option.
Just think about it for 2 seconds.

The problem is this further proof doesn't really exist.

That being said, it's probably not the best idea to lynch him today, especially after dwlee's entrance which I've actually liked.

VOTE: Xkfyu

[Mimikyu]

I think we have to stay off of a Zyf/Dwlee lynch, at least for today. Saru's points do make a lot of sense, but it's still hard to believe someone would throw away all usefulness of their PR when they weren't even under real heat. I think Xfkye is the way to go today.

[Mimikyu]

>People scumread a new player for not playing optimally
>kthen

Nice misrep there. The claim was scummy to me because I think it's far more likely scum does it to pre-empt a wagon with an unverifiable claim that also keeps them alive as opposed to a townie doing it for who knows why.

[Mimikyu]

That isnt a misrep. People were saying "oh why was zyf acting scummy then??"
I hate 1shot bp as a role in the game, Id honestly rather have it not in the game cause it can change the game from getting to lylo to getting to mylo which is just town no lynching in most cases anyway. Or if it does serve an actual purpose it is when during somehow a mylo situation town lynches wrong and scum hit the bp but the chances of that are super low especially cause I doubt there is another way for a night kill to be stopped.

My mistake then. It seemed targeted at me since it was right after the comment I made.

On a side-note I agree with you about the role.

[Mimikyu]

I think we have to stay off of a Zyf/Dwlee lynch, at least for today. Saru's points do make a lot of sense, but it's still hard to believe someone would throw away all usefulness of their PR when they weren't even under real heat. I think Xfkye is the way to go today.

Perhaps I was wrong about you being town.

Because I think you're scum? I thought you were scum before.

[Mimikyu]

I think we have to stay off of a Zyf/Dwlee lynch, at least for today. Saru's points do make a lot of sense, but it's still hard to believe someone would throw away all usefulness of their PR when they weren't even under real heat. I think Xfkye is the way to go today.

Perhaps I was wrong about you being town.

Because I think you're scum? I thought you were scum before.

Not even a little bit. I really couldn't care less about that.

It's the Saru-is-right-but-I-really-want-to-keep-Dwlee-as-a-lynch-possibility-because-I-know-I-can't-kill-him feel I get from your post.

Are you okay with treating Dwlee as conftown for the rest of the game including LyLo?

[Mimikyu]

It's the Saru-is-right-but-I-really-want-to-keep-Dwlee-as-a-lynch-possibility-because-I-know-I-can't-kill-him feel I get from your post.

Are you okay with treating Dwlee as conftown for the rest of the game including LyLo?[/quote]
Surely you can see there is a middleground then between "kill it with fire now" and "treat as conftown for rest of game". I generally like to give someone a day of no-lynching following a claim I deem somewhat credible. While I do think it's highly likely that it's a false claim, Dwlee's entrance and Saru's points have added some credibility to it to me.

[Mimikyu]

Surely you can see there is a middleground then between "kill it with fire now" and "treat as conftown for rest of game". I generally like to give someone a day of no-lynching following a claim I deem somewhat credible. While I do think it's highly likely that it's a false claim, Dwlee's entrance and Saru's points have added some credibility to it to me.

All this does is makes me feel more confident that you are scum.

If Zyf is town, scum aren't gonna NK him becuase they are more than likely going to believe him. If Zyf is scum, he's obviously not going to be NKed. Either way, it's very likely that he's going to make it to at least D2, probably much further. Not lynching claimed PRs, simply because of the claim, is only a valid tactic when the claim makes it likely that the validity of their claim will be resolved via night actions. That's not the case here. In fact, it's the exact opposite.

So, the fact that you seem so sure that he has fake claimed, and yet, you still prefer to lynch me tells me that you are either trying to lynch me while planting a seed for a future mislynch, or you're trying to prolong his lynch without actually defending him, making him your buddy. I'm not particularly sold on the latter, but I either way, I think you're scum.

UNVOTE: algebra

VOTE: Mimikyu

I understand all of that. But it's typically a policy of mine that if I believe the claim even a little bit, I give them a day so we can see more from the person and hopefully get a better idea of its credibility.

[Mimikyu]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

[Mimikyu]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

Your agreement here isn't helping me feel better about your alignment. It seemed that some of the personal vendetta issues Zyf seemed to have with me being an idiot would fade away with your entrance. But I understand if you have an alignment-related obligation to try to get me lynched.

[Mimikyu]

can we lynch blackstar yet

Nope.

Xkfyu has been consistent asking the right questions trying to move the game forward and is overall a lot more towny then any of the ppl voting him

stop lynch him assholes but then again I really shouldn't have my hopes up for how this game is going

Can you make a good case on Transcend? My gut tells me he's town.

[Mimikyu]

@Mod:

V/LA until Monday morning CST.

[Mimikyu]

K welp. You fucked yourselves.

I hard claim 2-shot doctor.

You guys are pretty fucked now. But you're super fucked if you lynch me and lose your protection source. Don't run people up for no reason shitbags. Now, we're lynching either saru, texcat, or xkfyu. Capiche?

Can people

please

stop claiming unless you're at L-1 and there is a formal request made. This is getting beyond ridiculous. I didn't think this was a newbie game. Also FWIW, definitely not treating this claim as confirmed, but Transcend wasn't really on my scumlist in the first place, so he's fine.

2-shot doc is possible with a bp.

It sounds unbalanced as hell

Can't talk about balance without full knowledge of setup.

I'm still happy where my vote is at. Be back later with a bit more.

[Mimikyu]

Ugh does Town-Transcend really come in and claim at the point he did, even after we all agreed that Zyf's claim was at a horrible?

[Mimikyu]

*lynching

Probably not. I think it's best we give both him and Zyf a day, but I'd like to ask the question now so they aren't left to coast. Problem is there is again no way to confirm him. Scum leave him alive and we'll want to lynch him for not dying.

[Mimikyu]

Scum leave him alive and we'll want to lynch him for not dying.

And if actually town, might actually protect town.
So we are at a win win for now.

It's only a win-win if A) he's town and B) we believe he is.

Ugh does Town-Transcend really come in and claim at the point he did, even after we all agreed that Zyf's claim was at a horrible?

Does scum Transcend?

I don't know.

[Mimikyu]

I don't hate an algebra lynch.

Said this and then gave us nothing but a Transcend vote because they didn't buy the claim.

I'm back, going to catch up on these last 10 pages

[Mimikyu]

VOTE: algebra

[Mimikyu]

FWIW these posts are pinging me, like he feels the need to continue to remind us that he's the BP and won't die tonight for that reason, as if there is any chance scum will ever try to kill him. Posting these thoughts for posterity.

I caught you two scum, I can't die tonight so hopefully I can find the third tomorrow. Lynchlynchlynch

at least I will be alive to push texcat tomorrow >_>

[Mimikyu]

If you really suspected that algebra was the doc, why would you ever say this? As of 154, you yourself mentioned two primary wagons, and he wasn't one of them. All this does is lead mafia to want to kill either you or algebra.

The doctor permits algebra to not be lynched, there are reasons for this that I will disclose at a later time.

VOTE: Transcend

[Mimikyu]

but there was a forming bw and i didn't want him getting ran up in votes. like i didn't want anyone getting the idea of voting him at all.

you're just gonna be stubborn and refuse to accept my play as town, but i solemnly swear this was 100% town motivation on my behalf.

This is so horrible.

And if somehow Transcend is town, then seriously why do people keep fake-claiming as town in my games? It's

always

terrible. Don't do it.

[Mimikyu]

This is so horrible.

And if somehow Transcend is town, then seriously why do people keep fake-claiming as town in my games? It's always terrible. Don't do it.

When did he fake claim in your game?
I don't recall seeing Trans fake claim before.

I'm not saying he did. I'm just saying players in general seem to love fake-claiming as town in my games and it is a bad idea 99% of the time.

[Mimikyu]

I have fake claimed before lemme find an instance really quickly.

Well if you do and are somehow town in this game, then take this as a lesson to stop doing it.

That being said, you're eating rope today.

[Mimikyu]

...I wanted to be a dependable clear source that town could trust and rely on. ..

I LIED

.

Do you understand the disconnect here?

[Mimikyu]

And no, I'm not gonna stop fake claiming because my intentions were all pro-town and something good might've come out of it had algebra just stfu'd.

No one.

Tells me.

How.

To.

Play.

The game.

Doesn't matter what your intentions are if you're willfully playing the game badly. Fake-claiming as town is almost always bad, and it was horrific here if that's what you've done.

[Mimikyu]

Mimikyu is talking to me like I'm town while also lynching me.

VOTE: Mimikyu

Some of these fakeclaims have turned out town in my past games, but your actions are scummy and deserve rope. You both lied AND outed a PR. If you're town, then you're a liability and we benefit from your lynch anyway.

[Mimikyu]

You can deflect all you want here, but you're getting lynched today. Hopefully you can learn that fakeclaiming at the time you did is bad as scum just as it is town.

[Mimikyu]

I hinted to algebra heavily that I knew he was doc and that he could trust me.

You can't be silly enough to believe this, which is why I know you're scum.

[Mimikyu]

Because the town doc will always CC yadda yadda

It leads to an outed PR which is only good for....scum yeah you guessed it.

As vt you claim vt
As scum you don't have to so he's scum

I don't think you see my point. Scum claim when they are about to take the bullet, otherwise the risk to reward doesn't match up.
Trans wasn't close enough to be the lynch at that point.

But there is even LESS reason for town to fake claim where he did.

[Mimikyu]

yo i hammered myself.

i'm conf town.

take this time to discuss better lynches for tomorrow instead of discussing my fake claim.

just do something that doesn't make me want to impale myself.

sheesh.

Well if you are in fact town, then thanks to you it's clear who is dying tonight, so only one person really needs to get their thoughts out.

[Mimikyu]

no fuck yourself

i hinted to algebra heavily that i was claiming for him

it's his own fucking fault that he gets nked tonight. he wasn't getting lynched, i was PROTECTING HIM from the forming bw on him. he's just 20 levels of stupid

may i never have the displeasure of playing with any of you again, except for gerry and sonia who i'm likely forced to play with on my home site.

oh and dwlee, he's cool. hope you can carry this town my dude.

If you are town, then you can't blame anyone else for this but yourself. Why would he ever assume that someone was "fakeclaiming for him"? Learn your lesson and move on. The fakeclaim was terrible. The strategy was terrible.

[Mimikyu]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.
Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend,

He wasn't voted (at least by me) for being a liar. He was voted because it seems far more likely that his actions were done by scum than town. You need to remove an incredible amount of doubt to attribute that play to town.

[Mimikyu]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.
Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend,

He wasn't voted (at least by me) for being a liar. He was voted because it seems far more likely that his actions were done by scum than town. You need to remove an incredible amount of doubt to attribute that play to town.

His play throughout the entire day was town. You dont remove all of that towniness because of one silly action.

I think you're severely downplaying the action as well as his comments that preceded and followed.

[Mimikyu]

I'm thinking that mafia has a roleblocker and blocked algebra probably? lol idk.

This seems likely.

And he did soft multiple times that he thought algebra was PR, which is why he told me not to vote algebra, idk why no one who was there at the end did not see that. So tiershift, you're the wrong one.

Uh, no. He did not soft anything. There are better ways to protect someone you think was softing than the way he did. His softed like a brick wall softs.

I also like how all of a sudden you are Mr. Confident "Hey everyone you all screwed up! If only you would've followed me!" when you were fluffing/lurking almost all of yesterday. You had your chance to speak up then and didn't.

To clarify my role is not x shot

>< FYI it's in the best interest to not clarify. Gives scum more information on your power.

the fact that we're two hours into day without a texcat lynch simply proves how incompetent this town is

You're doing the same crap Trans did. Can everyone stop talking crap on the town and make a case to convince people. Has insulting people ever worked?

why isnt texcat lynched yet? when i come back i hope he's lynched.

Ah here is good ol useless gerry. And to make you even more useless, you're just parroting dwlee now.

VOTE: gerryoat

[Mimikyu]

You're doing the same crap Trans did. Can everyone stop talking crap on the town and make a case to convince people. Has insulting people ever worked?

red flag
your turn
mimikyu
Also to answer this post I DID MAKE A FRICKEN CASE ON TEXCAT EFAJZDIGHOJ

Engage people on it. This isn't rocket science.

[Mimikyu]

@Mod:

V/LA until Monday morning CST.

[Mimikyu]

You're doing the same crap Trans did. Can everyone stop talking crap on the town and make a case to convince people. Has insulting people ever worked?

red flag
your turn
mimikyu
Also to answer this post I DID MAKE A FRICKEN CASE ON TEXCAT EFAJZDIGHOJ

Engage people on it. This isn't rocket science.

????????
/?!?!?!?!?
?!?!?!?!?!
?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ask questions, challenge comments. Take me for instance. I'm not voting Texcat and have shown no interest in doing so, yet you have not engaged me a single time regarding him.

[Mimikyu]

I MAKE A CASE. TELL PEOPLE TO READ MY CASE. EVERYONE IGNORES MY CASE. ONE PERSON TELLS ME IT ISNT A CASE. I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT TEXCAT IS SCUM CAUSE OF MY CASE. YOU TELL ME TO MAKE A FUCKING CASE. I TELL YOU THERE ALREADY IS A CASE. "WELL ENGAGE PEOPLE ON IT"
what
the
fuck

"There is no case"
"make a case"
"engage people on your case"
no, fuck you.
It is your job to read my case and respond to it if you think it is wrong. I shouldn't have to sit here and go through this same bullshit of "YOU DIDNT EVEN MAKE A CASE, DWLEE!?!?!" and then have to explain everything. If you have a problem with my fucking case SAY IT and I will tell you why you're wrong. Don't sit here and expect me to spoon feed you everything.
pedit see this ^^^

Certainly you would agree that asking questions is a better way to get people to vote your scumread than talking about how incompetent everyone is.

But I'll bite. Your case boils down to texcat repeatedly doubtcasting and fencesitting, yeah? You seemed to have major issues with 740. This is a classic catch-up post. Mention the things you think are scummy/townie about people. He even mentioned that a lot of people are saying "X is scum" but no real legitimate cases. He was casting more doubt on the cases than he was on people I think.

You also took issue with him doubtcasting on Trans's claim, and he was correct in doing so.

[Mimikyu]

Also one thing I should point out. Sonia has never been able to correctly read me in forum mafia. ever. Every time I'm town she pushes on me, and everytime I'm mafia she TRs me. So that's one way i say she's being garbage. But, I can also see her doing this as mafia too.

Do you think I'm voting you because of Sonia?

[Mimikyu]

Seriously yesterday gerryoat was "lol this game is tough". And today he is ultra-serious and confident. What happened?

[Mimikyu]

Yeah idk about this ultra-posturing gerryoat of today. Definitely feels like scum.

[Mimikyu]

Honestly sonia's screaming has just been a detriment to town cohesion and town passing correct judgment. I first regarded it as town overconfidence but I think it's probably very very effective scum theater.

How is it different from what Zyf or Transcend were doing?

I totally agree with tex being obvious vig shot
Which means alg prob blocked a kill yesterday
And we have a SK.

But I don't think tex is scum here

What?? This is a very convoluted situation. No reason to even speculate honestly until we get claims.

I was the natural vig target, but unfortunately, I am the vig. Sorry.

You vig'd Saru? Also who are you popcorning?

and at least one town member is still alive.

I don't see why that was added unless there was a 3rd party

I looked through my old games and did find one with that exact phrasing that did not involved 3rd party.

[Mimikyu]

Awww really? I thought I was a fking genius zzzz

Well that's not to say there isn't a 3rd party, but we should just be hunting scum either way, especially in our current predicament.

[Mimikyu]

That prob means a texcat lynch shouldn't even be an option today

Agreed.

[Mimikyu]

I mean tex is essentially conftown. Because scum target him tonight whether he is town or SK.

[Mimikyu]

I mean tex is essentially conftown. Because scum target him tonight whether he is town or SK.

Why is it out of the question for scum to have a vig

Because that would be stupidly imbalanced unless we have at least 2 other PRs.

[Mimikyu]

They are theoretically possible but incredibly powerful and difficult to balance. I put it at 0% chance in this game.

[Mimikyu]

6 pr's for 1 scum vig??????

I think you guys are overestimating a vig

Just cause you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

I think you are either underestimating the power of a scum vig or overestimating Town's PRs. Also we have only 2 flipped town PRs. 2 +2 is 4, not 6.

[Mimikyu]

Alright so xk can only be scum if sonia is, great.

Actually this isn't quite true. If Sonia is lying about the claim, then it's actually in her best interest to fake inno a townie. Because if we lynch Sonia today, then we go to probably 2 scum and 4 town. Then we would be inclined to lynch xk, which would win scum the game if he's town.

I don't really see the scum motivation in claiming cop and then not trying to claim a guilty on someone. Saying that she got an inno on Xfkyu wouldn't help her to be townread, I mean obviously its strengthened the scum read some of you had on her. It doesn't make sense to make a risky claim like that and not claim to have used on her top scum read (vedith). Then again, I've been wrong about almost everything in this game so I'm probably somehow wrong about this too

I think my scenario is more likely. By claiming an inno, she could always fall back and say she lied as town cause she was annoyed. Harder to do that with a guilty.

Overall thoughts is that this is unbelievably terrible, town has close to, if not 0% chance of winning at this point.

I think we have to lynch Sonia. Also I'm VT.

[Mimikyu]

Also her thing about the mafia vigilante was terrible. Unless someone from her other site can confirm this was fairly commonplace there.

[Mimikyu]

Scum vig isn't that strong dear fking god

It's not only that it's strong. It's also explicitly non-normal as was pointed out.

I've come to different insights.

Sonia is not to be lynched today. I don't buy scum under pressure going for a PR claim when there is already so much town power.

I'm willing to be convinced. I just have a hard time believing it's true right now.

[Mimikyu]

Scum vig isn't that strong dear fking god

It's not only that it's strong. It's also explicitly non-normal as was pointed out.

I've come to different insights.

Sonia is not to be lynched today. I don't buy scum under pressure going for a PR claim when there is already so much town power.

I'm willing to be convinced. I just have a hard time believing it's true right now.

No one told me scum vig isn't normal?????

Saying: I never saw scum vig before isn't saying it's not normal in the 4 forum games I played on my site I'm pretty sure in 2 of them there was a vig (scum sided)

Which is why I asked someone else who has played on your old forum games their experience with a mafia vig.

@TierShift: Ugh yeah I think you may actually be right. Call it annoyance that the majority of our PRs happened to be played by total loons.

[Mimikyu]

Also dwlee xk cannot be lynched before sonia who is not getting lynched today

This.

that's the thing I want to lynch mimi and xkyfu today not vedith

These are horrible choices.

Vote today has to be Vedith, TierShift or Blackstar to me. Honestly don't feel good on any of them being scum =\

[Mimikyu]

oh yea, xkyfu is only scum is sonia is scum.
got distracted by that idiotic statement..
and mimi cause poe

I know I don't particularly feel that these people are scum, but why are the following people not scum to you:

Vedith, TierShift or Blackstar

[Mimikyu]

I'm thinking dwlee should be investigated by sonia which means lynch vedith and vig one of myself/mimi/blackstar of which I prefer someone that is not me but whatever.

Sonia absolutely needs to be tomorrow's lynch. That gives us confirmed inno(s) or guilties.

I'm just working off the assumption that tex is actually 3rd party because otherwise this game is as good as lost.

P-edit yeah I realised that

This is all horrible. If we lynch Sonia tomorrow and she's town, we lose.

Also we pretty much have to work off the assumption that tex is town.

Nah it's not mylo I think

Sk will shoot scum
I'm just working from the assumption we have a SK because fighting 3 scum with a RB is a lost cause.

I'm saying I should objectively be in the vig pool as I belong with mimi and blackstar within the VT claim group. I don't want to be vigged but I think black and mimi are town so whatever.

We need to work on the assumption that this is MyLo. Also 2 scum + 1 scum PR vs. 4 town PRs is fairly common, especially with our weakened PRs.

Sonia and dwlee are both conftown as far as I'm concerned. I think we have to operate with that in mind.

I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

I understand that it's counter-intuitive to keep this quiet so I don't blame you at all for saying it, but this statement just made our chances even worse. (edit. now I see Dwlee already commented on this, but leaving it).

Ok. Just read through the rest of the pages. Holy crap Blackstar and TierShift have both played this day obvscum. We are 100% lynching one of them, and then the final scum is likely Vedith. I'm fine with either Blackstar or Tiershift today, but Tiershift has played this obv-obv-scum.

And I very rarely make bold claims like this, but please just everyone read through his posts, today especially, and tell me he's not obvscum.

VOTE: TierShift

Just started feeling a LOT better about our chances.

[Mimikyu]

Edit: I said 4 PRs, but meant 5. And ours are all pretty weak.

[Mimikyu]

Blackstar is scum for other reasons but a big one for me is how he tried to buddy me much of the game after I said he was town. Then today comes and he sees me as a fairly easy lynch so flips the switch with zero reason other than POE, but he defended me harder than he has most of the others this game. Unfortunately his only options are to push me or a buddy since the rest are PRs.

[Mimikyu]

Wait no it was the "vedith is likely scum".
If you are town that considers texcat, sonia and I all confirmed town (xkyfu also because sonia) then the only possible scum team for you is vedith, tiershift and blackstar.

Exactly.

[Mimikyu]

I actually think we win this game now.

[Mimikyu]

Well not that this makes me town, but by your position there is 3/4 scum in Me, Vedith, Blackstar, and Tier. We can do any of them today, but you can pick. At worst, by your position it is 2/3 scum. Does scum!Me ever make this play? Also just feel free to look at my posts. The way I play in real life mafia and on here is I don't make cases for why I'm town. I think the game can speak for itself in that way.

[Mimikyu]

Blackstar is scum for other reasons but a big one for me is how he tried to buddy me much of the game after I said he was town. Then today comes and he sees me as a fairly easy lynch so flips the switch with zero reason other than POE, but he defended me harder than he has most of the others this game. Unfortunately his only options are to push me or a buddy since the rest are PRs.

I didn't buddy you and I defended you once. How is that defending you harder than anyone else? I'm not scum and I townread Sonia, DW, tiershift and Xfkyu. So that just leaves you, Vedith and tex.

Interesting that on this readlist, Tier is scum and I am town, you later go on to defend me, and then now Tier is town and I'm scum?

Tiershift- scum
Xfkyu- town lean
Algebra-scum lean
Gerrygoat-null
Sonia-town
Saru-town
Vedith- scum
Transcend- null
Mimikyu-town
Zyf- scum
Texcat- scum lean
Lowell- town

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

Yeah, Mimikyu has been town as hell

He's scum hunting, it doesn't feel like his posts have an ulterior motive and his reads match up with mine for the most part

[Mimikyu]

I think we should lynch someone in the poe pool and then vigilante shot mimi and cop him.

Wait how is this helpful? If they have an RB, they just block the cop and let me die.

mimi who do you think would be the most likely to be a roleblocker?
pedit texcat is confirmed town blackstar

Honestly don't have a great idea since none of them have play that sticks out to me as very different from the rest, but given how some of our town PRs played, I'm not going to assume scum is playing their RB perfectly. I would guess Vedith though. Snake's entrance was very weird like he wasn't sure quite how to play with the role.

[Mimikyu]

Exactly. That's one time. You're acting like I defended you as hard as I defended texcat

Ok, but you didn't defend Tier at all.

Also town please look through Blackstar's ISO and interactions with Tier and tell me the interactions aren't obvscum.

[Mimikyu]

It's interesting that I didn't become "obvscum" until I voted you

You didn't become obvscum until 1) I realized that the scumteam literally has to be you three assuming I believe the claims (I have to) and 2) looked at the way you and Tier have played today.

[Mimikyu]

How have I played today?

Well that part isn't exactly your fault. You guys maybe got a bit unlucky to miss some of our PRs. So you all were essentially forced to 1) bus 2) push me or 3) discredit a PR. None of these are exciting at all from a scum perspective, but needless to say it's forced you all into some awkward situations.

[Mimikyu]

So basically you're trying to say that you can't back up claim. Got it. You said that you don't like my play today but you aren't going into detail about what you don't like. If I'm obvscum it shouldn't be hard for you to have a legit case prepared already. Where's it at?

lol what? If I just determined you were scum today, how would I have a legit case prepared? It's essentially POE and all of your play today is confirmation of the predicament you're in.

Anyone else like how in blackstars reads list he has me as town and ved as scum and isn't voting him in the me/ved cross????

If anyone is confused about any of their play today, I refer you to 2339.

[Mimikyu]

mimi is scumming it up, sonia, so I feel better about voting her first

*him

[Mimikyu]

Yall telling me Dw has to be town is making my stomach hurt

I'd pref we vote in Tier/Ved today then if I can't fight the bp claim

Dwlee is 100% town.

What play though? You keep saying my play is scummy and you're not giving any examples.

It's not that your play is strictly scummy. It is

awkward

which is 100% explained by your predicament as a scumteam.

[Mimikyu]

mimi is scumming it up, sonia, so I feel better about voting her first

No. I'm not voting you or Mini today that's the read I'm least confident in (still think BP can be scum but thinking outside that)

the vote is Me Ved or Tiershift

The vote is not you.

[Mimikyu]

I'm always awkward. How is that alignment indicative lmao? Weak argument is weak

Today is different. Your actions don't make sense from a town!Blackstar position, but they make perfect sense based on the position you've been put into as scum.

But I don't know that I need to belabor the point much. I think people will see it.

[Mimikyu]

I think we should lynch someone in the poe pool and then vigilante shot mimi and cop him.

Wait how is this helpful? If they have an RB, they just block the cop and let me die.

mimi who do you think would be the most likely to be a roleblocker?
pedit texcat is confirmed town blackstar

Honestly don't have a great idea since none of them have play that sticks out to me as very different from the rest, but given how some of our town PRs played, I'm not going to assume scum is playing their RB perfectly. I would guess Vedith though. Snake's entrance was very weird like he wasn't sure quite how to play with the role.

Your death, if town, would confirm the others as scum.

I was thinking it was 7 left, but yeah it's 8. That plan works then.

[Mimikyu]

Assuming sonia is town if we lynch scum and then vigilante shoot the town in mimi / blackstar / tier / vedith we win

Yup.

[Mimikyu]

I'd prefer to be around for our win personally, but I'm willing to take a bullet for the win.

[Mimikyu]

Wait this doesn't work if they have an RB.

If they both target me, then they just kill the cop and RB the vig. That doesn't actually confirm anything.

[Mimikyu]

Scum-team is still the same, but the plan doesn't actually work unless we get the RB. But maybe we just need to do it anyway since I don't think there's a better option?

[Mimikyu]

Wait this doesn't work if they have an RB.

If they both target me, then they just kill the cop and RB the vig. That doesn't actually confirm anything.

What cop?

"Maybe playing dumb will make me look town."

Everyone please refer to my other post again on awkward play.

[Mimikyu]

Tier isn't rber because he didn't visit unless it's like a one shot role block I doubt he's it

Oh good point!

[Mimikyu]

I'm unsure who I think has the best chance of flipping scum out of those 4 players..

I think we have to start with Vedith actually based on what Sonia brought up about TierShift and likely not being a possible RB.

[Mimikyu]

VOTE: Vedith

[Mimikyu]

If we somehow lose this, then hopefully everyone can learn a little a bit about how to handle PRs and also to never fakeclaim to try to protect another PR .

[Mimikyu]

Sonia isn't cop, no cop in their right mind wouldn't check their scum reads because, and I quote "easy lynch".

Yes, but town can't possibly operate on the assumption that she was lying. We have an even lower chance of winning that way I think.

[Mimikyu]

I can't tell if people really believe me that i'm cop or people are just like "Well I hope she's cop or we lose!"

I'll be honest it's more of the latter for me.

[Mimikyu]

And yes, your pick for target was really bad which also makes you suspicious. But that's not for right now.

[Mimikyu]

And yes, your pick for target was really bad which also makes you suspicious. But that's not for right now.

We have time explain to me why you think xk was a bad pick?

Because you didn't scumread them. You'd much rather confirm a scumread as town or scum then someone you already think is town. But let's just focus on the win here.

Just to confirm, this is a town loss.
If Mimi is scum, Tex is blocked
if Mimi isn't scum, we lose.

From fake town!you perspective sure.

[Mimikyu]

Won't the game be over if Vedith is town?

Dwlee, you're not voting?

I'm certainly willing to target Mimi, but let me just work it out again for myself....

If scum have a roleblocker, they will kill the cop and block me and we'll be at 4-2 tomorrow with no extra knowledge.

If they don't have a roleblocker (or its Vedith), they can only kill me or Sonia.
If Mimi is town, they kill Sonia and I kill Mimi. And we'll be at 3-2.
If Mimi is scum, they kill me and Sonia reports scum. We'll be at 4-2 with a known scum.

Yep so we are good either way, although it will be the first scenario if they have an RB.

[Mimikyu]

Also pretty much only way Vedith is not scum is if all 3 scum are currently on the wagon. Don't think there's anyone that believes that.

[Mimikyu]

I'm betting the game on sonia being town right now..

Same. I think we have to.

[Mimikyu]

Just say if you're scum Sonia. Don't troll us.

[Mimikyu]

If we lose I'm blaming Transcend and gerryoat. The two's actions combined created a culture where we were forced to believe every claim because we couldn't possibly mislynch a PR again.

Also we could have just played better. But I really hope we're not losing here.

[Mimikyu]

lololol how was sonia not lynched. you guys had 1 job after i flipped tracker and she hammered without claims

To be fair you should have claimed earlier. Seems like something you should do when you have a giant wagon on you.

I think town never had much of a chance anyway once our best PRs died early. I still think we had to proceed just assuming the cop claim was true because otherwise it was a crapshoot.

Glad I caught Blackstar at the end too, but was stuck on that Sonia assumption GG scum.

[Mimikyu]

The main thing was five town PRs didn't make sense in this game unless wolves were STRONG to make up for it. One of biggest aspects of the game design was that fake claims were hard to make work.

Well which is why the fakeclaim from Trans early hurt us so much. Not only did it end up outing our actual doctor, but it made any claims in the future a total mess. I think this is now like 4 of my last 6 games or so that were made harder by a town fakeclaim. Hopefully people can just stop doing it.

I do too! IMO cops are boring, I like games designed around not having cops.

I like this too, but I also HATE scum having daytalk. Personally think it's usually undervalued in terms of balance.

[Mimikyu]

I like day talk, mainly because I think it's more fun for the wolves to actually be able to work together as a team, and I like game designs that make things fun.

Right and I get that viewpoint. I'm used to in-person werewolf, so daytalk just feels wrong to me in some sense and also kind of feels like it makes it too easy for scum to get out of difficult situations. But it does add another interesting element, even if it's not something I like.