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[Vedith]

Hello.
I'll work on this soon.

[Vedith]

I haven't had a chance for a catch up yet.
I'll look after work but a minor update of any facts will be useful (if any).

[Vedith]

I'm here and reading.

[Vedith]

Don't rush meh, I'm slow! :<

Saru called my other body scum but didn't like the speed of the wagon.
Normally wagon speed can easily indicate how it's driven. I haven't got to see if there was a quick counter wagon, but if there isn't that's normally a good sign that scum are voting with town.
I saw that Saru claimed VT. Call me biased but I see VT claims as town rather than scum when you look like a promising lynch.

So, what's the case on Saru here? Saying that my other body contradicted but didn't lie? I'm sure there's more to it than that.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: BlackStar
For now.

[Vedith]

The case on saru is that + the fact that your slot was scummy af but Saru was the only one who came in and WK-ed it, which either means scumbuddy protection or scum trying to get town points.

Town white knight more than scum. So what else was there?
I haven't seen yet, can you confirm is Saru was at L1 with intent when claiming?

[Vedith]

No, she was never at L-1 with intent.

I'm being blind, post me the claim?

[Vedith]

Okay, so it was L2. Lets think about it for a second. What benefit does claiming VT while scum ever get you?
You have the same chance of getting lynched but you don't take any PR's down with you.

So, what else was on the case?
-Whiteknihting
-Mis use of words

And if Saru was scum with me, why am I not the one being lynched considering I made the lie (well my other body).
And if your reasoning is because Saru was whiteknighting, then I call the bullshit and say, before I commented, whiteknighting here was understood as calling town town for town cred. (This excludes Zyf who has actually said scum buddying, which is more of a realistic answer).

[Vedith]

So... You want to be lynched?

If you got that out of my comment, then you're an idiot.
It's more looking of a motivation to why the wagon on Saru was happening.
I'm still waiting for other reasons Saru is scum.

[Vedith]

There's no need for personal insults. And you literally said "if anyone should be getting lynched, it's me". It's not idiotic to intrepret your post the way I did

Well, it is. Out of all my comments, you only took that comment.
Can you answer why I wasn't the lead lynch for lying and Saru was for white knighting me / scum buddying (more scum buddying of course).

[Vedith]

He's not scum, I've already said that.

Unfortunately, you probably aren't either...

So why was he pushed for such weak reasons.
I mean, maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see any other case.

Who do you think is scum then? And reasons.

[Vedith]

You were the leading lynch. And then Saru made a bunch of horrible posts that we couldn't ignore and a wagon formed on Saru.

Okay, so we are getting someone.
So in your opinion, going by your reads, who was the better vote, me or Saru.
Who else were wagoned during this time? Because I know I'm town, and I'm going with Saru as town, so unless this town has 10/10 detective skills (sarcasm) forming wagons would have been avoided by scum if there are any.
I assume people pushing such weak negative reasons on Saru would be a good place to start.

[Vedith]

I'm working on the case against Saru. Hold on for a while

On the edge of my seat.

[Vedith]

Almost fell off my chair!

He thinks that the wagon is suspicious for forming quickly even though it had a justifiable reason for forming: someone being caught in a lie

So what's your point here? It's "justified" but scum can't opportunity vote here? Why shouldn't people have concerns with fast pushes?

His logic is ripped apart here and instead of acknowledging that, he weakly tries to keep justifying what he said.

I don't see this as ripped apart, I see this as someone rejecting his opinion immediately. Players that are intimidated will back down when people play the experience card. That's not alignment tell at all.

He said he wasn't defending a contradiction in one post, and then in all the posts after that he admits that Eagersnake contradicted himself but still tries to say that the contradiction wasn't scummy. We all know that he'd been defending eager, but he keeps denying it and it looks to me like he wants to distance himself from eager.

I mean, this is a weak contradiction. He's saying that he's not defending him for his contradiction (and you can see that the primary reason is because of a fast wagon). The second part is backing up his read. I agree, he's incorrect and it's a bad reason to town read someone, but it's not way scummy.
His action here was for seeing contradiction different to a lie, as the issue here isn't the fact of him WK or buddying (correct me if I'm wrong). This also depends on how you interpreter it, most people think that town shouldn't ever lie (I think that's wrong on certain situations) but town can contradict themselves in games with adjusted reads, forgetting or just reading incorrectly. I wouldn't consider these situations as a lie (just to point out the terrible reasoning from yourself in the argument).

Weak ATE

If it's weak, why is it in your case?
You posted yourself that people see you as scummy, so how can you even consider adding this?

If you don't think he's town, why have you been questioning his wagon? Why have you been protecting him all this time?

Okay, lets get this straight... There is more than 1 scum.
Scum bus for a start. Although I can see this comment as a complete flip flop from him and more swapping his opinion, this is part of your case I do like.. However, a bad wagon is a bad wagon. If I think you are scum (for example) and I think Saru is scum (for example) then you voting Saru will trigger my scumdar. I want to know the motives to it and what not.

Another contradiction

Looks like sarcasm.

Now, to counter you claim on him, why didn't you bring up this point

I'm slightly leaning towards Snake being noob town

I don't think Snake is town. Try again Mr.Transcend.

Scum don't hunt for actual reasons... All I'm saying.

[Vedith]

Scum:
algebra - Weak reason for such a strong town read in Post 36. Actually, now that I've gone be to see this, I'm gonna vote him for this, and his weird 55 and 57, which doesn't look at all natural to me.
Mimi (not with TierShift) - Post 615. I checked the Activity Overview page at the time of this post, and TierShift and MariaR were both listed right next to each other at the bottom of the list (sorted by post count). See my 622.
TierShift (not with Mimi) - For his reasoning to want to lynch Gerry in Post 143.

Your TierShift reasoning is shit
I like the Mimi reason though. I'll ISO there next.

[Vedith]

O I didn't see ved so I thought you tr him no he's the 3rd scum and i'm just reading all his posts like

"Bs bs bs"

10/10
Try and give something rather than throwing shit around.

[Vedith]

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU PPL SR THIS???????????

At least you got something right!

[Vedith]

Blackstar feels scummy but i fosed him instantly in our game and he was town lol.

Explain this to me.
Are you saying that you don't want to look at Blackstar for being scum here because he was town in the last game?
How many games have you had with him?

I mean, this is pretty bad.

BlackStar: do people (not just me) tend to fos you a lot (every single time you post)?

[Vedith]

I'm gonna enjoy lynching Ved

Sit down, let the adults talk.

[Vedith]

Why are you here again?

Probably because town aren't too smart right now.
Feel free to posting useless shit while I wait for Trans to log on.

[Vedith]

How's it like to know you replaced into a slot where all 3 of your partners were already found out must fucking suck huh?

Pretty spooky.
Easy games like that are fun, eh?

[Vedith]

Likely not, but the point that we shouldn't focus on lurkers because "there is plenty to talk about" is silly because it's possible that all we are talking about is a bunch of townies.

Doesn't that touch borderline policy lynch.
Surely it's the fake content or lack of it with posting you want to look for.

[Vedith]

Nope not at all.

In no way have I ever advocated for lynching one of the lurkers instead of one of the actives. I have and will continue to advocate for us not ignoring the lurkers just because there may be other talkative people available, because the fact is that it's possible that everyone super-active is town.

Plausible, just not probably.
Define active in your eyes. Not being prodded, 10 posts a day? Can these posts be "Yeah this person is scum" with nothing else?
This is why I dislike the 'lets kill all lurkers'.
It's an opportunity place for scum to join, it's an easy way out.
That said - putting high pressure on lurkers I do like.

[Vedith]

Agree 100% that 'let's kill all lurkers' is bad. My goal in my statement was to place pressure on the lurkers.

There are no hard lines, but tends to be relatively infrequent posting coupled with empty posts.

Well at least we can agree that empty posts count to lurking.
I haven't checked your ISO yet, who are your reads?

[Vedith]

I'd love some examples of "empty posts" btw

I mean... I'm not sure to take you seriously or not.
If you don't know what an empty post is, go play in the corner and I'll shout you over for the next one.

[Vedith]

and Transcend are all town

Talk to me about Trans.
Originally I thought that Trans was just having the louder players as town, then I noticed that Trans is likes xkfyu as scum, so that case was out of the window.
I don't like her early game she distances for blackstar looking scum, but doesn't have any intention on following her read apart from referring to a previous game.

With Tieshift, do you agree with Xkfyu's comment? 784
Also with algebra, do you think his post has any backing?

You also like Xkfyu as scum, do you think he's bussing his team mates? His vote went from Tieshift to algebra and I feel that the only decent scum read he had was the Mimi out of the 3.

[Vedith]

There are 2 types of empty posts what is one to you?

801
Here's a prime example. Don't think at all it's because it's against me, but it's actually from having nothing. This comment doesn't help town at all. If you're scum, of course you are going to be holding your scum view on my slot, if you're town, you aren't looking to progress the game. Keep in mind this is an example, and I've read you already.

I've seen your posts, I don't think it's scum sided, however, I think you are getting lazy as town as the day goes. You feel comfortable with not looking for "my buddies" but instead happy to leave you vote on what you expect to flip scum.
Wanted to clear that up before the "OMGAWD you scum read me with no vote".

When you feel ready to look for my "buddies" let me know and we can discuss.

[Vedith]

LMFAOOOOOOOO

I'm sure Trans won't take offence.

[Vedith]

You really haven't been reading I called you Transcend and Zyf for reasons stated before read the near end of my ISO to see it

you said one of the empty posts I expected so that's fair I would call that filler but the empty post I normally mean is saying posts that look like they mean a lot but mean very little or just don't have any real context/content to them

example: Cop has an inno on player C so we prob shouldn't lynch player C because they are most likely town and I don't think they're fake
This is an empty post because there're saying things people already know and are adding nothing to the convo at hand.

I thought you had a vote on Saru, I guess I was wrong there.
So, tell me, what connects me with Trans and Zyf? It's a good start, and I might be willing to give up my buddy Trans.

Filler and empty post mean the same to me. You either want to give something to town or you don't. I get it, I post like that when nothing is happening.
A filler post has no content, an empty post has no content. If that's all someone is giving then it falls under lurking. Nice one on trying to counter the argument though and look more proactive after I bring it up. (I actually want you to be like that, for the record)

Also, I'm not sure I understand your argument here. You are saying that someone responding to a "He's town, I'm a cop" post with "Yeah he's town" is any less of an empty post than "Why are you here again?"
Explain this theory to me again, because I think you've been eating those crayons.

[Vedith]

Who do you think is making empty posts so far?

On a scum side - I don't recall them as of yet. If I did, I would be working with the read.
Remember this is day 1, you get the friendlies out of the way, you get the rabblerabblerabble out of they way and then you move onto finding reads and catching out content.
That said, there's still a few people for me to read.

On a town side - Sonia, but I've already stated my opinion there.

[Vedith]

Did you read the statement I made before that Transcend did about contradictions also Trans and Zyf both have Saru as hard scum and insta dismiss the case for WKing a town (protecting their scum buddy (that's you btw))

to answer the 2nd part of your question think of it as saying a lot in a post but in a whole the statement means very little.

So your entire case is because Trans and Zyf voted Saru, which lets confirm, both are for my lynch, but yet buddying me?
I'm sure that you have more than that, although the way people have been providing cases in this game so far, I wouldn't bet my dolla dolla on it.
What I get from you from this post is, games are so easy, and players like Zyf and Trans are so bad at scum, no effort needs to be made and you can vote just within these names.

Yeeeaaah, no...
Lazy town are just as anti town to lurker town imo.

[Vedith]

can we please let vedith at least play before we decided to lynch them

This is a direct contradiction to what Zyf has been doing all game and that's hardcore pushing Saru not caring if he claims or not (also makes me think he doesn't want to lynch you cause scum)

Okay Blackstar. Duly noted.

^
transcend gets very minor town points

What is towny in the slightly sense about this has no reason to town read it at ALL

I mean, I'm not arguing if Zyf or Trans is scum or not. What did you get my from post?
I also think that you are mis understanding who my scum view is currently pointing at.

I'm not sure how you connect me Zyf and Trans up with those 2 posts, but this is a conversation we can pick back up after I get more from Trans.

[Vedith]

That said - I'm going to bed.

@Zyf - Care to elaborate 227 more.
Do you think that due to your amount of posting and stances in the gam, you can be seen as influential?

[Vedith]

"Influential" still cracks me up
Hell no I'd have to be like a fucking commuting rolecop for anyone to listen to any shit i say i a positive light

I'm not sure if this reaction from you is you worried (I'm not even sure why) or actually believe it.
This is something we can address later as I'm at work now.

VOTE: Transcend

Any reason you're avoiding interating with me?
If you missed my post - 802

I also have an opinion on you in 820

[Vedith]

No

1

Ok

Well, we are getting somewhere, I guess.
Why didn't you pressure it then if he appeared as scum?

Can you spell out your Saru read of scum. Treat me like I'm really slow and explain in good detail.

[Vedith]

He prob thinks i'll townread him if he helps me lynch you...It's not gonna.

Do games normally need to revolve around you?

[Vedith]

I'll be on this later.

[Vedith]

why do you feel the need to confirm? cuz your replacee was lying, and you are too?
VOTE: dwlee

Town can lie about their role. It's not welcome but they can.
Also, would you have preferred he denied or ignored it?

[Vedith]

VOTE: xkyfu
I'll start here

Bad vote, sell me.

[Vedith]

Also, for anyone unsure, I checked Tier's games last night.
He normally posts more and has a much higher % post in the game. However, a lot of his games have alot less pages. I think Tier's keeping up issue is genuine, encase anyone wanted to see it as a scum tell.

[Vedith]

u first

Me first with what?
Onto Trans?

Because he won't interact with anything scummy I am bring up to him.
I want to know about him and Blackstar. Trans said that Blackstar looks scummy, but decided to drop it. Why?

Trans is saying that people are scum claiming to convince others to vote, and with several newer looking players in the game, it's a scum tactic to get them onside imo.

You go!

[Vedith]

Sonia, sit down.

What happened to your Trans read?

[Vedith]

No, I was asking why is vedith a bad vote.

The answer there should be obvious.

[Vedith]

not vedith, ugh, why xykfu or however you spell it is a bad vote.

Because he's not coming across as scummy at all. He's responding, he's giving his reads. His reads are a pile of shit, but his reads are a lot more genuine that people like Trans.

[Vedith]

VOTE: dwlee

Do you honestly wonder why people think you are scum?

Dwlee is a BP. All we need is further proof in the game and it's one of scums biggest problems. Even if he is scum lynching him today is not the right option.
Just think about it for 2 seconds.

If we lynch Dwlee and he flips BP I'm FOS anyone on his wagon. Scum will want this claim lynched.

[Vedith]

Vedith is town

Stop it, you'll make me blush!

[Vedith]

The problem is this further proof doesn't really exist.

That being said, it's probably not the best idea to lynch him today, especially after dwlee's entrance which I've actually liked.

VOTE: Xkfyu

How the fuck does further proof not exist?
Yeah I don't like that vote either.

Why not Trans?

[Vedith]

mother fker how many times do I have to say that I scumread YOU TRANSCEND AND DW (Was Zyf) those HAVEN'T CHANGED

Then vote Trans...

Pedit - Good.

[Vedith]

how many times do I have to say that claim doesn't make sense

he said he was acting SCUMMY to get hit when that would do the exact opposite scum would keep him alive and it's really convenient he's a role that can't prove himself

If he claimed tracker cop or something that wouldn't want to be hit and was acting weird because of that I'd understand that and would believe it cause that logic MAKES SENSE

BP you want to be pro town and want mafia to hit you not be scummy and leave you alive

Zyf was scared scum who claimed with barely any votes on him to get votes off him

Zyf posting was at a level that as scum he would be caught out easily in a game, and yet be a huge threat to scum if is was town.

Regardless if you believe him or not, lynching a claimed BP on day 1 is not the correct move.
I can imagine that the scum are just sitting back and watching you push for a BP lynch rubbing their hands. That just makes you stupid though.

[Vedith]

You're assuming that pointing fingers at lots of people was seen as a scummy action by Zyf himself. He probably thought that he was being a genius scum hunter, and that he was showing off how townie he was by making cases on people which might make scum nervous eventually. It's a bit of a naive(and stupid) plan, I admit, but given that he's a newbie to normal games, I can easily see him thinking up of such a plan.

Saru gets it.

[Vedith]

This is ridiculous.

Regardless, we're not lynching a BP claim day 1.
Tomorrow you and Sonia can fanny about in the corner and draw that slot as scum with your new crayons.

Trans needs to be the lynch today. Avoiding confrontation, not scum hunting at all. Anyone town reading Trans I want a proper reason to why.

[Vedith]

I agree with you. What was ridiculous was the childish tantrum.

I've had it when you know you're town (obviously) and feel like you're playing the right way (even if not) and just get overly frustrated because people aren't seeing things the way you do.
I wouldn't call it a childish tantrum but instead frustration.
Could also be frustration from scum, but I doubt it.

[Vedith]

Half my ISO is trying to get Dw/Zyf and Trancend and Ved lynched and no one is doing SHIT

Maybe you should consider providing a better case than "They posted about one another".
Sonia - Pretend you aren't as gifted as we all believe, and you don't have all 3 scum pinned ( SHOCK HORROR )

Give me reads on all of the other players, if you have any.

[Vedith]

No.

Then don't expect people to take you seriously.

[Vedith]

Vedith, have a look at the posts that Trandscend said he was trolling me in. They start at Post 312 and end at Post 351.

I have some thoughts on them, but I'd like to hear your opinion on them first.

Well to me it looks like an attempt to get people Trans played with before (I assume that Sonia and Gerry have played more with Trans than any of us) to town read him with AtE. The reason I think it's fake is because of backing down after with the acknowledgement that he is being toxic in the game and could get forced replaced.

It tells us nothing overall from Trans align and yet, if I read correctly, shows us that Gerry and Sonia are of different align to Trans. I would say Trans is scum.

I don't see any actual trolling on you, and it's just trying to insult to get people to follow.
I can review it later with more surrounding posts, but I don't I'm going to see it as town.

[Vedith]

Xkfyu has been consistent asking the right questions trying to move the game forward and is overall a lot more towny then any of the ppl voting him

stop lynch him assholes but then again I really shouldn't have my hopes up for how this game is going

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Trans

I hardly believe it to be honest, the interaction and confrontation avoidance makes me suspect that Trans is scum, but again, we are not lynching a claimed doc.

I'm going to review tomorrow where my vote is going.

[Vedith]

Vedith are you scum

Yes

, no!

[Vedith]

Uh huh

So you fully believe Trans and think he's not being playing like scum? I've tried to discuss with Trans in the game but he won't speak with me probably because he knows I won't let go.

[Vedith]

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

x shots are pretty normal for these games, at least what I've seen of them.
The claim isn't what concerns me.

[Vedith]

can we please just lynch texcat like I've been asking

What was the reason again?
You think Tieshift is scum as well?

[Vedith]

That whole interaction was dreadful from both sides.
The alt slip from Sonia seemed conveniently timed to back up the noob comment.

[Vedith]

My vote is on Trans. This is BS like most of your posts.

Yeah, why is that?
Do you think that town don't have a doc? Or is it just the 2 shot part you disbelieve?

[Vedith]

Okay
VOTE: Texcat

Texcat, talk about Dwlee to me.
Why do you think he's lying along with Zyf?

[Vedith]

NANANAANA BITCH SAY WHAT?

What the fuck do you mean alt slip and conveniently timed you think I would let this post go unchecked you scummy fucker

When ever Sonia posts I just image

[Vedith]

I'd guess that town does have a doc and that they are not x- shot.

Dwee, I said that I hated Zyf.s claim when he made it. This is not new.

Okay, why don't you believe x shot?

[Vedith]

Dwlee didn't have much choice. Claims that can't be proven are suspect in my book, particularly x-shot ones that explain why they aren't NK.d. Transcend's claim is suspect because I believe it was designed to expose our doc.

Well, most claims can't be proven without other roles, you know that right?
So you just wanted him to claim Mason or Innocent Child? Other than that he's scum?

How can a doc claim be proven?
How can a cop claim even be proven?

You see where I'm going with this, right?

[Vedith]

Yes it does. It increases the chances of Mafia not getting a nk by a lot

That's kind of the point.
The BP has a job of being the night target, the doctor has the job of stopping it.

2 shots... Remember that. You are only considering the fact of doctor hitting correctly. The BP claim is useless to the doc claim for obvious reasons.

[Vedith]

1-shot bp obvtowns, doctor protects the bp, scum shoot the bp and then the doctor is left with one shot and the bp has no bp. Wow so unbalanced not like it just leads to a mylo situation anyway. To actually buy town a day two kills need to be stopped.

Not to mention the roles that scum possibly have to counter these.

[Vedith]

Anyone not buying the x shot - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66931

2 shot role cop
1 shot BP
JOAT - 2 shot tracker, 1 shot Doc
1 shot strongman

GTFO

[Vedith]

VT wouldn't really help you not get lynched though. And when you were, you haven't really done much to help your team. Claiming doc helps your team because it helps expose the doc. Add the x-shot in there to help you with any counter claim. Plus it explains why you weren't NK'd.

Why does it explain why they weren't killed?

[Vedith]

Tex needs rope.

Also i might no save tonight in case scum decide to leave me alive. That way i still have 2 saves left if they leave me alive >:)

Yeeeah, no.... If you're really town giving out information like this isn't needed.

[Vedith]

Scum leave him alive and we'll want to lynch him for not dying.

And if actually town, might actually protect town.
So we are at a win win for now.

[Vedith]

It pinged me too, but I thought I was being paranoid

Aren't you an oportunist...

[Vedith]

Wait, are people seriously voting a claimed doc right now...
The fact that Textcat has so much resistence shows he's scum alone.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Transcend
Not buying the claim

Wait - how is this softing?
Why don't you see people calling zyf/Dwlee lying as softing?

UNVOTE: Texcat

[Vedith]

This is so horrible.

And if somehow Transcend is town, then seriously why do people keep fake-claiming as town in my games? It's always terrible. Don't do it.

When did he fake claim in your game?
I don't recall seeing Trans fake claim before.

[Vedith]

I'm not saying he did. I'm just saying players in general seem to love fake-claiming as town in my games and it is a bad idea 99% of the time.

Sorry I mis read your comment.

[Vedith]

The only thing that makes me believe this slgihtly is the fact it's so fucking stupid and was so rushed as scum.
Trans, you're a fucking moron.

You can talk shit to other players as you like but at the end of the day, you claimed a role that would most likely be CC.

[Vedith]

my intentions were all pro-town and something good might've come out of it had algebra just stfu'd.

It's not pro town.
It's fucking stupid. 9/10 times you will be CC.
I'm trying to put together why you would do this as town, and all I get is because you're stupid.

[Vedith]

Yeah he claimed a role which would most likely be CC'd which is what makes his scum not dumb town

Please

Look at when the claim happened. Xyk was still a promising lynch over Trans at that point.
Explain how it only suggests scum.

[Vedith]

I hinted to algebra heavily that I knew he was doc and that he could trust me.

Before or after your claim?

[Vedith]

Because the town doc will always CC yadda yadda

It leads to an outed PR which is only good for....scum yeah you guessed it.

As vt you claim vt
As scum you don't have to so he's scum

I don't think you see my point. Scum claim when they are about to take the bullet, otherwise the risk to reward doesn't match up.
Trans wasn't close enough to be the lynch at that point.

Nice quick hammer Blackstar - Either ending early or going for your standard opportunity.

[Vedith]

Why did you morons want to rush it?

[Vedith]

Requesting a mod kill if town.
Playing against your wincon and just overly toxic.

[Vedith]

I retracted when I needed to, I explained the entire reason I fake claimed. You all didn't buy it because you are all hellbent on the "lynch all liars" policy. Scum are allowed to lie to win the game. Town should be allowed to lie too, if it benefits their game.

My god.

You realise I didn't vote you right?
It's not a policy to lynch liars, people voted you because you probably are scum.
As I said, if you're town I'm requested a mod kill.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dwlee99

I was fine with a 2-Shot Doctor and a 1-Shot BP coexisting, but I'm not buying the 1-Shot BP claim, now that we know the Doctor isn't just a 2-Shot.

This is a pretty bad post.
For a start, we don't know any further details on Algebra's role, you you seem to know that it's not x shot now?
Secondly, a BP can easily exist in this game, unless you know what other PRs we have and what scum have?

[Vedith]

@Texcat, where do you think we should vote then?

I quite like Saru's vote. What's your view on Blackstar?

[Vedith]

It looks like Saru is being the voice of reason. I need to reread Blackstar and Xk. I was voting Xk at some point yesterday, but need to review. I don't agree with his Tiershift scum read.

Yeah I'm thinking Tiershift is too much of an obvious go to.
Any reason you didn't vote Trans? I'm not using this as a scum tell, considering I didn't vote myself, I want to know your thought process though.

[Vedith]

I'm wondering why Lowell was killed and Algebra is still alive?

I did vote Trans. My vote was on him before his claim and his claim just cemented my position on him.

Ah, my bad I thought you were else where.
Yeah I'm not sure on the Lowell kill, but I can understand the Algebra non kill. The way some people are playing in the game, it wouldn't surprise me if people tried a mis lynch there today because of the kill else where.

Lowell might have something in his ISO but I'll look when more awake.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Texcat

Sonia STFU.

L1.

[Vedith]

k def not voting Tex now that ALL of my sr's are

I think Sonia is scum.

[Vedith]

@Gerry - How well do you know Sonia's play?

[Vedith]

Awwww are you trying to scumread me now that your attempts to buddy me aren't working?

Something along those lines...

[Vedith]

Ved wanna play a game with me?

No.

[Vedith]

Ved wanna play a game with me?

No.

On a scale of 1-10 how much do you sr tex

High enough to believe he is scum.
I also think you're trying to sell all of this fake AtE and trying to divert from your buddies.
You voted Trans then started blaming others for voting him.

[Vedith]

Stop putting words in my mouth I've said this 4 times today: I take blame for starting the transcend lynch and it's mainly my fault
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ALL MY FAULT
Anyone who keeps trying to make that claim is trying to get attention off themselves

Also answer me this:

Do you really think I'd hardcore push for my friends push who had me as hard town as mafia? When if I was mafia I could of just kept on stringing him along?
Thought so.

No one is blaming you for the lynch - That's all on Trans.
What people are blaming you for it trying to make others look guilty for voting on Trans.
I'm not sure what attention I'm trying to get off myself here though?

I mean, why not? Scum wouldn't kill who town reads them, right?!

[Vedith]

lol why is tex not dead yet. sonia can you hammer? you said you fos'd him

Read on Sonia?

[Vedith]

the only way I'm dying is if scum have a vig.

You mean they don't have a kill?...

[Vedith]

You're turn
Ved

My turn what?

[Vedith]

Yeah I prefer Texcat to Gerry out of this.

VOTE: Gerry

[Vedith]

I'll catch up tomorrow although Gerry should be lynched already...

[Vedith]

VT, Sonia you're next to claim, fuck Dwlee's list.

I think Sonia is trying to soft claim cop but wants information first before doing so...
So lets hear it, Sonia.

[Vedith]

lol okay fuck you Vedith

I'm a non consecutive Cop

Calling bullshit.

[Vedith]

TexCat is most likely Vig.
BP make sense in these games, even more so with a Vig.

If scum had JOAT or just ninja, I'm sure Algebra would have died earlier.
I can't see this being true. Tell me again how town have weak powers?

[Vedith]

lol okay fuck you Vedith

I'm a non consecutive Cop

Calling bullshit.

You're dying today.

If I do, you get vigged tonight.

[Vedith]

And results, Sonia?

[Vedith]

I guess I softed a bit to hard that's why I didn't buy all the claims whoopsie!

Pedit: You don't need to hear it bitch

Just buying time to work out who you checked...

[Vedith]

I guess I softed a bit to hard that's why I didn't buy all the claims whoopsie!

Pedit: You don't need to hear it bitch

Just buying time to work out who you checked...

So you know I checked someone????????

Are you saying you didn't?

[Vedith]

Not at all the statement you just said implied you knew I checked someone

Only an idiot will think here "Oh, maybe Sonia didn't check anyone"...

[Vedith]

Sonia, claim your results, please. Stop arguing now, there's no need for it.

I have a lot to say about the claims but I will hold off from discussion until massclaim finishes.

I claim VT

If she was telling the truth she would have claimed them by now.

[Vedith]

Yeah give her more time to give a fake result.

[Vedith]

Oh, that's convenient.
Why did you check him instead of me then?

[Vedith]

to bad you replaced into the obv af scum slot

Doesn't check me at night though.

[Vedith]

Sonia, point out when you doubted Xky or we're lynching you today.

[Vedith]

Because all I see if you calling me and Dwlee scum all game.

[Vedith]

Cause I thought you'd be easy to get lynched

Cause I thought you'd be easy to get lynched

Cause I thought you'd be easy to get lynched

[Vedith]

Sonia your behaviour does not match up with your result

Oh... Really?!?!

[Vedith]

VOTE: SoniaNevermindx

No way this is town.

[Vedith]

YOU FUCKING THINK I'D LEAD A LYNCH ON BOTH MY FRIENDS AS MAFIA YOU'RE A MORON AND NEED TO SUB OUT

They know you best, eh?
Why keep them in the game.

[Vedith]

Wouldn't scum just go after him the next night because he was confirmed town?

It's more of a case that Sonia should have made a comment indicating that Xyk would be a bad lynch or a town read to her.

[Vedith]

xyk Wasn't getting lynched at any point in time and I wasn't getting lynched in any point in time so I had no reason to say "Yeah he's hard town"

Tell me again why you checked him?

[Vedith]

What night did you check Xyk again, Sonia?

[Vedith]

if you aren't fake claiming not getting an inno on the one-shot bulletproof claim is literally the most idiotic thing you can do but I mean so is everything else going on this game so whatever

She is fake claiming, stop being a moron.

[Vedith]

Sonia answer my questions.

[Vedith]

I HAVE NO REASON TO OUT AN INNO AS SCUM WHEN IT'S MYLO HOLY FUCKING SHIT

I HAVE NO REASON TO GET BOTH MY FRIENDS LYNCHED YOU THINK I LIKE HAVING A SR ON MY FRIENDS I WOULD JUST KEEP THEM ALIVE AS SCUM AND PLEAD TO THEM BUT NO I HELPED LYNCH THE PERSON WHO HAD ME IN THERE NEVER LYNCH SPOT

Both of your friends were calling you scum...

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Sonia
My vote is still there though.

[Vedith]

SONIA IF YOU ARE

TOWN

I AM REPORTING YOU

SONIA IF YOU ARE

TOWN

I AM REPORTING YOU

SONIA IF YOU ARE

TOWN

I AM REPORTING YOU

Dwlee, are you fucking serious?

[Vedith]

Sonia, who else did you check?

[Vedith]

Vedith I'm ignoring you

Why? Because you know I'm 100% right here?

[Vedith]

Because you're either:
1. A dumbass.
or
2. scum

I'm a dumbass when you are the one believing Sonia checked Xyk over me or you?
You're 10/10 Dwlee!

[Vedith]

Sonia, who else did you check?

WHAT PART OF NON CONSITIVE DO YOU NOT GET I CAN'T CHECK ANYONE ELSE UNTIL TONIGHT DUMBASSS

I thought it was day 4, my bad.

[Vedith]

and I really can't tell when you're genuine posting after your "I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE GOTTEN A GUILTY ON THE TOWN DOCTOR!!!" in quolls while like mechanically being COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE and you being CONFIRMED SCUM I was like "wow he actually seems like he isn't lying"

Oh and guess what, I flipped scum there!
Just like Sonia will here.

You are a fucking moron to have believed me there and to believe Sonia here.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Sonia

I don't give a shit if we end early Sonia is scum.

Town would not be asking to be hammered in this situation as it's against wincon.

[Vedith]

GUESS I'M NOT TOWN THEN HUH VEDITH YOU COCKY ASSHOLE I DON'T GIVE A FUCK

Stop trying to AtE it's not cute.

[Vedith]

fuck off and go away forever

Angry because I called out your bullshit...

[Vedith]

The difference being that she's actually voting me, yeah?

[Vedith]

can we lynch mimi

Dwlee the troll...

[Vedith]

You guys are dumb.

[Vedith]

During Transcend's fake claim fiasco, everyone was convinced he was scum. The only two who defended him were Dwlee and Vedith. Those two are the only two who I am even considering voting today.

I didn't defend him I was questioning him, what are you even talking about?

[Vedith]

Why are you not on vedith instead

Same reason she didn't check me or Dwlee... She's scum.

[Vedith]

Mimi claimed vt in 2193 which is why indeed xf goes last but he needs to claim.

Vedith it's cool that you want to lynch the cop today but as we need to lynch scum both today and tomorrow we had better flip the lynch order so IF sonia is a cop she gets a chance of a result. Nothing to lose, a lot to gain.

Please tell me you understand this.
'sonia is scum so she is not a cop so it doesn't matter' is not a valid response and shows you do not understand what i just said. If you want to lynch sonia today, you will have to show me what we have to gain by lynching her today instead of tomorrow.

Difference is, this is MyLo.
You are suggesting to lynch possibly a chance of someone else being scum rather than scum which is 100% (unless you're a moron, of course).

[Vedith]

For me it's lynch dwlee vig vedith

If Dwlee is town, which I highly suspect, then that would be game over.

[Vedith]

Yeah except your scum hunting skill is not 100%

Think of all the times you were 100% sure someone was scum. I'd be surprised if your accuracy there gets above 70%. I'm happily accepting the 30% chance sonia is a cop.
For me, this chance is even bigger. But even you should realise your scum hunting is far from perfect.

So yeah, just assume sonia is scum and work the associations from there.

Coming from the guy saying "lynch the claimed BP"

[Vedith]

But letting the bp live another night does not bring town anything

Letting the cop live would.

So why not have the cop check the claimed BP? Boy, you're a smart one!

[Vedith]

lynch vedith and vig one of myself/mimi/blackstar

If you're actually town, you are suggesting to be vigged on MyLo?
You really are stupid, aren't you?

[Vedith]

Nah it's not mylo I think

Sk will shoot scum
I'm just working from the assumption we have a SK because fighting 3 scum with a RB is a lost cause.

I'm saying I should objectively be in the vig pool as I belong with mimi and blackstar within the VT claim group. I don't want to be vigged but I think black and mimi are town so whatever.

If you think they are town, and regardless of your align will say you are town, then why would you ask to be vigged?
And to confirm, you believe there is 2 scum, 1 SK and rest town 1 being a vig, correct?

[Vedith]

Everyone just needs to stop assuming 3 scum because we can simply not feasibly win such a game anymore

So please just assume 2 scum

No, we should assume it's 3, because if it is it's MyLo.
Regardless how much you want to be right here, planning for only 2 scum if stupid.

[Vedith]

If 3 scum, sonia is definitely town, btw. No way tracker/doc/vig/1-shot bp is balanced against a scum RB

P-edit no I believe tex is SK

Wait, how do we know they have a RB?
Did I miss a post?

[Vedith]

I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

So Dwlee is proven BP.

[Vedith]

I am assuming that they roleblocked Algebra on Night One. With no roleblocker, I would have killed him if I were scum.

So if that's the case you are being roleblocked tonight.
Mis lynching today will probably lose it for us.

Best course of action, lynch Sonia today.

[Vedith]

Texcat just townslipped because there is no way sk would ask mod if bp gets informed of his shot

Or this is a very deliberate ploy

But probably this means 3 scum feck

I caught that penny for you.

[Vedith]

I think mimikyu has to be scum by poe

Tieshift can easily be scum as well, trying to convince people that we can lynch without care...

[Vedith]

Oh yeah I would totally convince town we could lynch whoever then point out a townslip that discredits my entire earlier thought process

Yeah 10/10 that's how scum convinces all the townies to carelessly vote

Thanks for teaching me how to be a great scumplayer vedith

I will be back tmrw with VCA

You mean you had to say it when people were pointing it out?

WHAT A SHOCKER!

Keep pushing there for a stupid lynch would have just proven you as scum.
Don't expect to be getting any town cred for me, considering you were set on it being only 2 scum.

[Vedith]

I could totally see a vedith xkfyu sonia team dwlee how about you?

Then vote Sonia with me.

[Vedith]

Sonia wouldn't out her partner. Not when I was calling her claim bullshit.
Xkf is town.

It's Sonia then 2 from Mimi/Tier/Blackstar

[Vedith]

Also vedith no one pointed out the townslip but w/e

So you got it before anyone else did for town cred, great stuff. You get none from me though.

[Vedith]

I'm going to bed and will work on this tomorrow.

[Vedith]

However I really think you're wrong about xkfyu look at their stances this day

It's plausible given it's MyLo.
I guess it would make sense to have a cleared lynch with a cop claim making 2 cleared lynches.

[Vedith]

how tf do you ppl rb read

So there isn't a role blocker?

[Vedith]

Wait this doesn't work if they have an RB.

If they both target me, then they just kill the cop and RB the vig. That doesn't actually confirm anything.

What cop?

[Vedith]

"Maybe playing dumb will make me look town."

Everyone please refer to my other post again on awkward play.

It's more of a sarcastic comment as Sonia isn't cop you idiot.

[Vedith]

Yea, I know. That is why we're trying to get the roleblocker.

Who's to say that Sonia isn't the RB?
It would make sense for the scum power to fake a power encase of a Vanilla cop or something (I forget the types)

[Vedith]

Sonia isn't cop, no cop in their right mind wouldn't check their scum reads because, and I quote "easy lynch".

[Vedith]

P sure that is l-1. This confirms me as town to vedith.

I never actually doubted you as scum...

[Vedith]

Sonia isn't cop, no cop in their right mind wouldn't check their scum reads because, and I quote "easy lynch".

Yes, but town can't possibly operate on the assumption that she was lying. We have an even lower chance of winning that way I think.

Well, if you actually are town it's a loss with me being lynched.
But considering you all over Sonia's claim, I doubt you will be town.

[Vedith]

I can't tell if people really believe me that i'm cop or people are just like "Well I hope she's cop or we lose!"

Anyone that believes you is a fucking moron and buys into AtE way too easily.

[Vedith]

And yes, your pick for target was really bad which also makes you suspicious. But that's not for right now.

That's not for MyLo matters...

[Vedith]

Just to confirm, this is a town loss.
If Mimi is scum, Tex is blocked
if Mimi isn't scum, we lose.

[Vedith]

How do you make a signature show on every post so I don't have to remember to auto click it

Control Panel I think.

[Vedith]

From fake town!you perspective sure.

What makes me laugh is both of her friends both called her scum, and they know what she plays likes better than any of us.
This town is so stupid.

[Vedith]

Never lynch: Sonia, Dwlee, Lowell, Vedith

Oh shit, you're right, I thought Trans had you as scum there.

Regardless, your claim is such bollocks. Anyone with a brain cell can see you that were waiting for what roles were said first.
I just wish I fake counter claimed you now as you are so obviously scum.

[Vedith]

Why would you intent? I've already claimed...

[Vedith]

Why would you intent? I've already claimed...

Isn't this mylo? Why would I quick hammer?

That's like saying why would you put someone to L1 on MyLo...

[Vedith]

Not really. People might have wanted to talk more before lynching you. If I'd hammered and you turned out to be town then we would've lost. I don't know why you're acting like its bad to be careful

Because if scum have a role blocker, and

IF

Tiershift is scum, he will hammer and that's that.
I don't think he will be scum here, but if he is then that is what will happen.

I suspect Sonia, you and Mimi though.

[Vedith]

TexCat is going to be blocked so it's going to be game.
I'm not sure how people can't worth that one out.

[Vedith]

TexCat is going to be blocked so it's going to be game.
I'm not sure how people can't worth that one out.

Work.

[Vedith]

we don't know scum have a roleblocker.

But we do know that Sonia is talking complete bollocks.
She was even trying to mark you as scum BP after you were basically proven.

[Vedith]

sonia, you realize at least 1 scum is on that wagon, right? Like one of blackstar / mimi have to be scum fypov.

Yes? Are you telling me that should make me warry with all Vedith's fucking flip voting and bs he's spat

Didn't you vote the same people as me?
Both Trans and Gerry... Who you know well, but not well enough as town (even though you knew they were town)?

[Vedith]

Because scum can't have a BP and I had a sr on dw/zyf almost the whole game?
SO SCUMMY OF ME

So scum can't have a BP but there was this.

BP scum makes sense to me so yes and to answer your second question yes I doubt anyone would track a BP claim because I'm pretty sure I was one of the only people scumreading him so it doesn't seem like a problem

BP scum makes sense to me

BP scum makes sense to me

BP scum makes sense to me

[Vedith]

It's called being sarcastic you dumbass

Was this also sarcasm as well?

DW: Has been much better then Zyf but the logic behind the Bp claim makes no sense for town thinking what so ever I kinda wanted to tr him for freaking out about no one sheeping his reads because I was the same way but I understand scum can do the same thing and it's easy to fake (I could fake it too if I wanted)

Final call:

Dw

/Tier/Ved

[Vedith]

Won't the game be over if Vedith is town?

Did I just see someone's light actually turn on?

[Vedith]

Players like Sonia piss me off because all they do is AtE as scum and people buy their shit...

[Vedith]

Not at all but let's lynch the 100% scum first.

First?
But Dwlee is town...
Or will he be scum again tomorrow?

[Vedith]

But vedith who do you think is town on your wagon?

Does it matter. I know I'm town.
I know this is going to be the loss of town.

[Vedith]

Oh trust me I know who I'm checking

A scum buddy to give a clear...

[Vedith]

I know, right?

[Vedith]

GG Town.

[Vedith]

GG guys, thanks for modding mhsmith
Was a really fun game.