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[Dwlee99]

hey hey hey!!!

[Dwlee99]

holy crap zyf was a madman!

[Dwlee99]

dangit did my slot already claim. I'm kinda skimming the past few pages

[Dwlee99]

okay I don't know if my slot already claimed but we aren't a vt so don't lynch pls

[Dwlee99]

I confirm

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: xkyfu
I'll start here

[Dwlee99]

wut

[Dwlee99]

Yea I have no clue what to think of that so congrats on confusing me.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: xkyfu
I'll start here

Bad vote, sell me.

u first

[Dwlee99]

No, I was asking why is vedith a bad vote.

[Dwlee99]

not vedith, ugh, why xykfu or however you spell it is a bad vote.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
okay I like those reasons.
I haven't even read any of his posts

[Dwlee99]

Vedith is town

[Dwlee99]

I would appreciate a vote count right around now lol

[Dwlee99]

why are you scum reading vedith??

[Dwlee99]

I read eager's iso, it wasn't bad. try again

[Dwlee99]

LOL

[Dwlee99]

I havent decided a scum read yet.

[Dwlee99]

>People scumread a new player for not playing optimally
>kthen

[Dwlee99]

That isnt a misrep. People were saying "oh why was zyf acting scummy then??"
I hate 1shot bp as a role in the game, Id honestly rather have it not in the game cause it can change the game from getting to lylo to getting to mylo which is just town no lynching in most cases anyway. Or if it does serve an actual purpose it is when during somehow a mylo situation town lynches wrong and scum hit the bp but the chances of that are super low especially cause I doubt there is another way for a night kill to be stopped.

[Dwlee99]

So is posting 1/4th of the thread's posts lol

[Dwlee99]

No offense sonia but your reads are very likely bad.

[Dwlee99]

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

[Dwlee99]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not using the 7 for 7 fallacy, btw, I'm saying I'm at least semi-decent at this game.

[Dwlee99]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

[Dwlee99]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

cause I don't have a ton of town reads yet??
no duh??

[Dwlee99]

mimkyu is a fine vote.

Your agreement here isn't helping me feel better about your alignment. It seemed that some of the personal vendetta issues Zyf seemed to have with me being an idiot would fade away with your entrance. But I understand if you have an alignment-related obligation to try to get me lynched.

if you're town show me you're town. I never said you were the scummiest of my PoE pool, I never voted you, but for right now I can understand a vote on you from xkyfucdsuhvih

[Dwlee99]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

This objection is scum, btw.

[Dwlee99]

That's my PoE pool. And you probably shouldn't ignore my reads they tend to be pretty good.

You listed half of the people in the game lol

This objection is scum, btw.

It's not an objection. I just thought it was funny that you said your reads were good right after you said you had half of us as scum suspects. What about that post is scummy?

I just got in the game yesterday. Your objection is bad.

[Dwlee99]

an expression or feeling of disapproval or opposition; a reason for disagreeing.

[Dwlee99]

feeling of disapproval

[Dwlee99]

ur scum

[Dwlee99]

can we lynch blackstar yet

[Dwlee99]

Thanks. Although I think I dont want to switch wagons.

[Dwlee99]

Im actually having no cake. I do not celebrate my birthday. And the point is that maybe people will stop wagoning town and lynch blackstar instead.

[Dwlee99]

Eh, I like cake.

[Dwlee99]

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

That is a very good question. Very good.

Good answer, cake is gross anyways.

And this guy wonders why i'm voting him

HAPPY BIRTH DAY DW ^_^ :3

Thanks!

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: texcat

[Dwlee99]

Blackstar, Texcat, Tiershift/Lowell?

[Dwlee99]

Frankly Id say it is fairly obvious I am town right now.

[Dwlee99]

Tiershift + Texcat

[Dwlee99]

dwlee let us converse

do you think saru is town?

null

[Dwlee99]

p sure I already said why, blackstar, but whatevs
I want texcat lynched today.

[Dwlee99]

You guys are all being idiots lmao

[Dwlee99]

Vedith are you scum

[Dwlee99]

Uh huh

[Dwlee99]

can we please just lynch texcat like I've been asking

[Dwlee99]

tiershift might be scum, but texcat might as well claim scum every post I've seen them type

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

[Dwlee99]

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

*COUGHBADQUESTIONCOUGH*

[Dwlee99]

Has anyone else played with sonia/transcend in the same match

No, why? Is there something we should know?

Hello I is n00b I just learned how to post on this site I have never won take it easy on me please as I don't know how this game works I am anime weeb desu desu

VOTE: Transcend fking liar

MODS how much may I swear.

....what is that last sentence supposed to mean?

Does this mean that you understood the first part of the post??

VOTE: Sonia
For playing the noob card, but mostly for the lack of punctuation.

Ha. And are you still claiming that you just learned how to post on this site?

starts off with questions and doesn't do anything with answers

[Dwlee99]

I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

Talks about reasons to scum read Saru
Talks about reasons to scum read Xkyfu
Talks about reasons to scum read zyf (my slot)
votes tiershift for bad reasons

Nvm about tiershift actually, probably Saru and Texcat.
Pls lynch???
pedit HAHA OK

[Dwlee99]

Voting trans but then deciding to fence sit is great. Also great how you suddenly start scum reading me when I begin to case you. :3

[Dwlee99]

That whole interaction was dreadful from both sides.
The alt slip from Sonia seemed conveniently timed to back up the noob comment.

vote??
texcat??

[Dwlee99]

I caught you two scum, I can't die tonight so hopefully I can find the third tomorrow. Lynchlynchlynch

[Dwlee99]

SONIA I CAUGHT SCUM (PROBABLY TWO) LYNCH THEM PLS

[Dwlee99]

I'd guess that town does have a doc and that they are not x- shot.

Dwee, I said that I hated Zyf.s claim when he made it. This is not new.

I can't tell if you're being deliberately dense.
Okay, so, you say you don't like transcend's claim, right, so doubtcasting, and then you make the position not as strong to distance yourself from it by saying "but I didn't like zyf's either", BUT THEN you doubtcast further by saying that the 2-shot part is fishy.

[Dwlee99]

I don't know if you remember DW but:

I hope you don't take offense if I just ignore your reads cause that's what I'm doing

so why are you ignoring my reads??

[Dwlee99]

unless you think I'm scum ignoring my reads is stupid

[Dwlee99]

okay well thinking I'm scum is also pretty stupid so

[Dwlee99]

Give me the purple nail dye. I'll do it.

[Dwlee99]

We haven't even been saying the same things, and even if we have been saying the same things that isn't even an associative tell.

[Dwlee99]

Okay
VOTE: Texcat

Texcat, talk about Dwlee to me.
Why do you think he's lying along with Zyf?

Claims that can't be proven are suspect in my book

this is bad

[Dwlee99]

2-shot doc is possible with a bp.

[Dwlee99]

I had a full town follower with a 1-shot tracker in my mini normal that just ended. I think someone mentioned doc + jk setups? 2-Shot doc does almost nothing all game.

[Dwlee99]

2-shot doc is possible with a bp.

It sounds unbalanced as hell

no it doesn't
at all

[Dwlee99]

okay I really need to do my honors chem summer work that is due tomorrow so yea I will be back later aka in 3 minutes when I procrastinate more

[Dwlee99]

1-shot bp obvtowns, doctor protects the bp, scum shoot the bp and then the doctor is left with one shot and the bp has no bp. Wow so unbalanced not like it just leads to a mylo situation anyway. To actually buy town a day two kills need to be stopped.

[Dwlee99]

when more people aren't voting texcat
zzz

[Dwlee99]

Yea scum probably have a strongman or something like jeez guys y r u so bad at setup spec

[Dwlee99]

What exactly do you expect scum to claim?

THIS IS SCUM LYNCH HER

[Dwlee99]

grrrgrgrbrgrgrgrgrg

[Dwlee99]

Vt?
Anything?
Scum could claim literally ANYTHING

[Dwlee99]

just ignore my case and keep being scummy, not like anyone is gonna actually listen to me

[Dwlee99]

You're acting like a spoiled kid who ain't getting his way, so it's making me not want to listen to you

zzz

Anyone not buying the x shot - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66931

2 shot role cop
1 shot BP
JOAT - 2 shot tracker, 1 shot Doc
1 shot strongman

GTFO

lmao

[Dwlee99]

zzzzz

[Dwlee99]

if I finish all my chemistry work will u vote texcat

[Dwlee99]

okay, cool, brb
pedit no, it doesn't. At all. x-shot doesn't help with counterclaims. And it just adds more suspicion if you don't get night killed.
CHEM TIME

[Dwlee99]

OKAY i'm done lynch texcat now black?

[Dwlee99]

okay so that is 3 votes. 4 more

[Dwlee99]

I feel like whenever I catch scum the person I catch completely ignores me while bad posting while town derp around, don't read my case, and then call me scum or annoying

[Dwlee99]

You have not posted anything resembling a case, fuck off

what
WHAT
SRSLY WHAT????
Holy crap

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

*COUGHBADQUESTIONCOUGH*

Has anyone else played with sonia/transcend in the same match

No, why? Is there something we should know?

Hello I is n00b I just learned how to post on this site I have never won take it easy on me please as I don't know how this game works I am anime weeb desu desu

VOTE: Transcend fking liar

MODS how much may I swear.

....what is that last sentence supposed to mean?

Does this mean that you understood the first part of the post??

VOTE: Sonia
For playing the noob card, but mostly for the lack of punctuation.

Ha. And are you still claiming that you just learned how to post on this site?

starts off with questions and doesn't do anything with answers

I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

Talks about reasons to scum read Saru
Talks about reasons to scum read Xkyfu
Talks about reasons to scum read zyf (my slot)
votes tiershift for bad reasons

Nvm about tiershift actually, probably Saru and Texcat.
Pls lynch???
pedit HAHA OK

Voting trans but then deciding to fence sit is great. Also great how you suddenly start scum reading me when I begin to case you. :3

I'd guess that town does have a doc and that they are not x- shot.

Dwee, I said that I hated Zyf.s claim when he made it. This is not new.

I can't tell if you're being deliberately dense.
Okay, so, you say you don't like transcend's claim, right, so doubtcasting, and then you make the position not as strong to distance yourself from it by saying "but I didn't like zyf's either", BUT THEN you doubtcast further by saying that the 2-shot part is fishy.

Okay
VOTE: Texcat

Texcat, talk about Dwlee to me.
Why do you think he's lying along with Zyf?

Claims that can't be proven are suspect in my book

this is bad

rtft

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

I guess I don't understand what doubtcast means.

I thought it was talking bad about someone without voting them or actually calling them scum. Not what I was doing. Transcend's claim is a pack of lies. Is that still doubtcasting?

I'm pretty sure I do know what fence sitting is. I've never had any other opinion about Zyf's claim. It was bad. I didn't like it. I have never been on the fence about it.

Doubtcasting is expressing doubt on something or someone.
You express doubt on transcend's claim but then by saying "but I didn't zyf's claim either" you are weakening how much doubt you feel about transcend's claim, therefore moving towards a fence sitty position of "Well I don't like his claim but I didn't like zyf's claim so idk" but then after fence sitting you doubt cast more by saying the 2-shot is too convenient.

[Dwlee99]

yes it is..?

[Dwlee99]

I explained why a ton of texcat's posts are obvscum and you're just gonna be like "nope daz not a case"
what is it then?

[Dwlee99]

Sigh

[Dwlee99]

Um...you don't lynch claimed doctor's. You just don't.

BP + Doctor same set up? Nope

And don't think you a seasoned player like Transcend with that info in mind would use that same logic against everyone cause I know he would and did

Someone linked a game with a 2shot tracker 1shot doc JOAT and a 1shot bulletproof and other power roles against a goon goon 1shot strongman

[Dwlee99]

Town didnt have too much power in my game. Scum just used theirs poorly when they bussed their doctor without a claim and the vigilante shot the goon, leaving it 9 - 1 day two with the mafia tracker not being able to do anything.
Anyway texcat is definitely scum. All their posts scream it, when I made a case against them they focused on one part of it to try to discredit my case while OMGUSing and ignoring the rest. When unsucessful they ignored everything from my case and continued bad posting.

[Dwlee99]

at least I will be alive to push texcat tomorrow >_>

[Dwlee99]

more reminding you to lynch texcat but k

[Dwlee99]

After my last game(the one that Dwlee modded), it'd be silly for me to say that town having too much power is out of the question. I also suck at setup spec, so I'm not even going to try. I don't understand why Transcend claimed so early, like seriously, you had like 3 votes on you or something. That's just dumb as fuck.

Anyways, I really don't like the case on Texcat. It seems forced. From my count, Transcend and Texcat both have 4 votes on them, so some resemblance of a team is forming on both sides. I'm going to look back at the VCs and read some other stuff before I decide who to vote.

What is this bullshit

tex's buddy

[Dwlee99]

Oh yeah saru is town as fuck just stick that plan up your arse

Now everyone let's get back to lynching transcend

you never answered my question

[Dwlee99]

why is gerry town?

[Dwlee99]

can we lynch texcat yet

[Dwlee99]

yea it is when u get lynched

[Dwlee99]

Sonia, maybe no one is listening to you because you still think I'm scum and you're completely ignoring my on fleek reads?

[Dwlee99]

Sonia, maybe no one is listening to you because you still think I'm scum and you're completely ignoring my on fleek reads?

We both know this isn't true and you just want to get a word in edge wise i'm not dealing with you rn

Well when you completely refuse to interact with someone and discuss their reads against yours you can't expect anything more than people just telling you you are wrong.

[Dwlee99]

Sonia, maybe no one is listening to you because you still think I'm scum and you're completely ignoring my on fleek reads?

We both know this isn't true and you just want to get a word in edge wise i'm not dealing with you rn

Well when you completely refuse to interact with someone and discuss their reads against yours you can't expect anything more than people just telling you you are wrong.

I haven't refused to interact with anyone I just said I won't take your reads into account because I think you're scum I don't think that's wrong to do

You think I'm scum so you won't even talk to me about my reads at all? You don't think there is even a slight chance you might be wrong?

[Dwlee99]

So you won't even LOOK at my posts?
Really?
-sigh-

[Dwlee99]

In mafia you always have to take into account new information. Refusing to do so is silly.

[Dwlee99]

Not about my reads though. I made a whole case on texcat and instead of engaging with me on it you just say you're ignoring my reads.
Even transcend acknowledged my posts (although he said it wasn't a case which ??)

[Dwlee99]

whatever lol

[Dwlee99]

^^^

[Dwlee99]

Do you have any idea who Dwlee might be scum reading besides me?

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

This has since changed, ofc, but here was my PoE just a couple days ago.

I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

Talks about reasons to scum read Saru
Talks about reasons to scum read Xkyfu
Talks about reasons to scum read zyf (my slot)
votes tiershift for bad reasons

Nvm about tiershift actually, probably Saru and Texcat.
Pls lynch???
pedit HAHA OK

After my last game(the one that Dwlee modded), it'd be silly for me to say that town having too much power is out of the question. I also suck at setup spec, so I'm not even going to try. I don't understand why Transcend claimed so early, like seriously, you had like 3 votes on you or something. That's just dumb as fuck.

Anyways, I really don't like the case on Texcat. It seems forced. From my count, Transcend and Texcat both have 4 votes on them, so some resemblance of a team is forming on both sides. I'm going to look back at the VCs and read some other stuff before I decide who to vote.

What is this bullshit

tex's buddy

why is gerry town?

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone still think texcat is town?

[Dwlee99]

Sooo

can we lynch texcat yet

[Dwlee99]

meeee

[Dwlee99]

gerrrrryyyy

[Dwlee99]

Texcat and Saru are scum

[Dwlee99]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.
Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend,

[Dwlee99]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.
Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend,

He wasn't voted (at least by me) for being a liar. He was voted because it seems far more likely that his actions were done by scum than town. You need to remove an incredible amount of doubt to attribute that play to town.

His play throughout the entire day was town. You dont remove all of that towniness because of one silly action.

[Dwlee99]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.
Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend,

He wasn't voted (at least by me) for being a liar. He was voted because it seems far more likely that his actions were done by scum than town. You need to remove an incredible amount of doubt to attribute that play to town.

His play throughout the entire day was town. You dont remove all of that towniness because of one silly action.

I think you're severely downplaying the action as well as his comments that preceded and followed.

Not at all..

[Dwlee99]

don't give me that bull
VOTE: texcat
THIS should have been the lynch yesterday. It is the lynch today. Sonia your reads are trash.

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

can we just lynch texcat ffs

[Dwlee99]

the fact that we're two hours into day without a texcat lynch simply proves how incompetent this town is

[Dwlee99]

He already has 3 votes on him. Calm down

no

[Dwlee99]

Saru bus your buddy pleeeeasseee

[Dwlee99]

Sonia the fact that your read on me hasnt changed despite me obvtowning the fuck out of this slot AND that you arent voting texcat right now tells me youre either scum or not thinking very intelligently.

[Dwlee99]

texcat ignored p much all of my case, singled one part of it out to try and attack, failed miserably, went back to ignoring
tiershift said it wasnt a case and when I pushed back at that he went silent and didnt even respond to my post
I didnt read saru's wall earlier but their vote was bad so bleh
Sonia is making my brain numb
Xkyfu ^
Blackstar is probably town cause his posts feel genuine

[Dwlee99]

Thank god we are actually lynching texcat
pedit cause your reads suck

[Dwlee99]

Im starting to cause your reads are static ~af~ and disagree with me on basically everything.

[Dwlee99]

red flag
Id prefer to play this on the computer as it would be easier for me to quote stuff. One sec

[Dwlee99]

Just kidding there's probably a lurkscum somewhere within the pool of tex algebra tier leaning tex.

sonia please quote instances of blackstar scumhunting

And do it in a spoiler please

Town:
sonia
mimi
transcend
saru

Scum:
Texcat- not talked about this much. Does not look like a really great lynch today but I would have expected scum to be all over this if it was town. That catchup and vote on me was horrible.
Blackstar-
HOW THE FUCK is no one talking about this scummy piece of shit
All he does is ride a wagon on someone who is town as fuck
He does NOTHING else
He unvotes when the wagon dies out
Then he just stops doing ANYTHING AT ALL
This is not town
Why is this flying under the radar
VOTE WITH ME!

VOTE: blackstar

today's lynch is xf or blackstar preferably the latter

NOT texcat

okay it has really been one day

But start doing stuff
VOTE: xf

mimkyu is a fine vote.

It is not.

Yeah, Mimikyu has been town as hell

I was previously town reading him as well, but I certainly wouldn't say that he's been "town as hell." What specifically makes you say that?

He's scum hunting, it doesn't feel like his posts have an ulterior motive and his reads match up with mine for the most part

okay blackstar may be town

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

what is this texcat thing
it is so utterly useless

I want a flip on one of the more active posters, thinking xf/trans. Texcat can wait.

there are more, tiershift is constantly calling out a set of people but then saying "but not texcat today" which is just stupid and he was resisting the wagon I began driving into texcat by saying I didn't actually have a case against texcat for them to respond to. His resistance makes no sense with a texcat scum read.

[Dwlee99]

now you
Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Saru bus your buddy pleeeeasseee

Sonia the fact that your read on me hasnt changed despite me obvtowning the fuck out of this slot AND that you arent voting texcat right now tells me youre either scum or not thinking very intelligently.

Thank god we are actually lynching texcat
pedit cause your reads suck

Red flag. (not gonna quote the rest of you saying vote tex cat) Has only pushed on 2 people (only one of which I understand to some extent that being texcat) Feels like wanting to chainsaw lynch I don't see the Saru SR at all anymore and Tex isn't even trying wanting to speed wagon also doesn't sit right you seem to brush me aside like "Okay you can live you're stupid town"
It's not as strong as it used to be but that's the base of it

You can only lynch one scum at a time.
Chainsawing is defending a partner by calling the attacker scum ??
I believe I mentioned it last night in my little blurb post
Tex is trying to ignore my case and hope it goes away, read all of their posts yesterday and today. It is like they are just sitting there asking filler questions that they never use the answer to while trying to ignore everything I've said among everything else that makes me scum read tex. (That I've been posting a ton about lol)
I'm annoyed we didn't lynch texcat yesterday, I don't want to speed lynch without a claim but we don't need to use all of today.
That is exactly what I'm doing but I don't think you realize why. The tone of your posts and just the way you post (yea ikr great reasons 10/10) seem like town yet your reads are super far off from mine and you seem to be scum reading a bunch of my town reads so bleh

You're turn
Ved

Leaning Green flag, but this is a weaker town read

The only thing that makes me believe this slgihtly is the fact it's so fucking stupid and was so rushed as scum.
Trans, you're a fucking moron.

You can talk shit to other players as you like but at the end of the day, you claimed a role that would most likely be CC.

my intentions were all pro-town and something good might've come out of it had algebra just stfu'd.

It's not pro town.
It's fucking stupid. 9/10 times you will be CC.
I'm trying to put together why you would do this as town, and all I get is because you're stupid.

Why did you morons want to rush it?

Requesting a mod kill if town.
Playing against your wincon and just overly toxic.

I retracted when I needed to, I explained the entire reason I fake claimed. You all didn't buy it because you are all hellbent on the "lynch all liars" policy. Scum are allowed to lie to win the game. Town should be allowed to lie too, if it benefits their game.

My god.

You realise I didn't vote you right?
It's not a policy to lynch liars, people voted you because you probably are scum.
As I said, if you're town I'm requested a mod kill.

frustrated town annoyed at other people being morons
your turn
blackstar

[Dwlee99]

we can keep going, I kinda like this

[Dwlee99]

Why does this shit always happen while Im asleep.

I feel you.

Anyone who voted him was being stupid imo, obvtown by play and everyone should know LaL is a shitty policy, but you still shouldnt have hammered yourself, transcend.

QFT.

I'm going to spoiler each section of this post cause it's a bit wall-y, but I highly recommend people read it when they have they chance. I know people end up ignoring walls, but you don't have to read it all right now. Please just give it a look because I worked pretty hard on it lmfao.

Spoiler: Texcat Wagon

So, I'm going to go ahead and give the unpopular opinion here: this wagon on Texcat is just outright stupid(inb4 I'm scum defending my partner ). Dwlee's case on Texcat seems to be a case of town conf-bias. Also, voting Texcat because Transcend yelled "ZOMG ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SCUM! LYNCH THEM AFTER I FLIP GREEN!" is really fucking stupid. Let's face it, Transcend is a toxic player, and the more a toxic player gets angry, the more they will burrow themselves into their shit hole and will refuse to see reason. The fact that Transcend was saying that people "hard scum claimed"(obvious exaggeration) is enough to show that his state of mind was nowhere near the kind to make informed decisions. He just wanted his scum reads lynched and that's it, he wasn't going to have it any other way. That kind of player is THE WORST type of player to listen to for lynch advice, because they're drowned in conf-bias or just plain hubris.

Spoiler: BlackStar is scum

Anyways, after much re-reading, I'm starting to notice a pattern developing between two players. BlackStar and Xkfyu. Let me start with BlackStar:
This guy has coasted the entire game. Go look at his ISO. At no point does he actually build competent cases on people before he votes them. All he does is take other people's scum reads and run with them without much reasoning as to why he HIMSELF scum reads that individual. The only time he made a case was on me ONLY AFTER he was prompted by Vedith to do so. He even admitted that he made the case up on the spot, and his case on me was riddled with reach reasoning and he picked up on that when I countered him, hence his unvote. He's been on all the major wagons on D1(Snake, Saru, Zyf, and Transcend). I'm not going to quote every post that he's made, but every time he votes someone, it's always a BLANK vote with no actual reasoning attached. His pattern is this: comment on another player's scum read, play to their doubts about their scum read, then outright vote the largest wagon, and finally get off when the wagon disbands. Rinse and repeat. Just take a gander at his ISO and you'll see what I'm talking about. Oh, and surprise, surprise, whose wagon is BlackStar on now? Take a guess.
I think Vedith nicely summed up how I feel about BlackStar:

It pinged me too, but I thought I was being paranoid

Aren't you an oportunist...

Spoiler: And Xkfyu is his partner

Now, what's the case about Xkfyu? Xkfyu is more of an associative scum read with BlackStar. Go take a quick look at the interactions between BlackStar and Xkfyu. The way they talk to each other is almost TOO friendly. Again, I'm not going to quote every post, but just a quick gander at the ISO's of both BlackStar and Xkfyu in tandem should give you an idea of what I'm talking about. BlackStar almost never asks inquisitive questions to anyone else in the thread BUT Xkfyu. He throws a couple of questions towards Xkfyu to make it look like he's trying, and then after Xkfyu answers, he doesn't follow through. This is classic scum play. Ask questions towards your scum partners only so that it looks like you're being a helpful townie. It's not like your scum partner is going to get mad/annoyed at you for it, so they're a safe option to throw questions at. They'll answer how they should and move on. FWIW, masons also do this to avoid looking scummy, as I did with my mason partner in Mini 1800, but I HIGHLY doubt we have masons in this game given the claims so far. There's more that I can point out about the relationship between BlackStar and Xkfyu but I'm not going to make this wall any bigger than it needs to be, I think I've made my point clear. If anyone needs more evidence, I'll be happy to provide.

Spoiler: Who Else Is Scum?

I'm glad you asked. The answer is: most likely Tiershift. I came to this conclusion like this: I looked at the people who were hardcore lurking for most of D1(Gerry, Algebra, Texcat, and Tiershift). Why look at the lurkers? Well, I've played enough games as scum to know that there is almost always that one lurkscum. This is that person in your school's group project who sits on their ass all day while you do all the fucking work. Why work when both of your partners are taking care of things, amirite? Anyways, I can eliminate Algebra from this because there's no real reason for me to doubt his claim/cc. Gerry's lurking has been one of the worst so far, however, his recent screaming match with Sonia felt like TvT. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt at the moment. This could change. This leaves Texcat and Tiershift. So which one is it? Tiershift says he might vote either Texcat OR Xkfyu at some point, which seems...strange. Bussing his partner(Xkfyu) wouldn't make much sense here. Voting Texcat however, I can see him doing that as scum(seeing as a Texcat wagon was BOUND to form today). The fact that he keeps either option open is suspect. He didn't really scum read Texcat at any point D1(and even partially defended her), so why would he even THINK of voting Texcat at a time like this? He said that Transcend is a trash player, so his reasoning can't be that "I'm going to vote Texcat because Transcend said to do so" because why would he be listening to such a trash player in that case? Or did he suddenly fall in love with Dwlee's case on Texcat which he was shit-talking just the day before? Either way, it doesn't look good. So in a match-up between Tier and Tex, Tier just comes out plainly more scummy. Sure, Tex hasn't done much at the moment, but the little that she has done isn't enough for me to TR or SR either way. However, the work that Tier has done(as of recent) has just been looking really bad. This ends up being more of a PoE scum read that can change however, because I'm not so full of hubris to think I'm 3/3.

There are like 2 others things I wanted to address, but I'm going to hold off on those right now because it's not really that essential at the moment, and it'll just make this whole wall unnecessarily bigger than it already is. I'll probably talk about them in a later post.
VOTE: BlackStar

Saru is playing like shit and basing 2/3 of his reads off of preflip interactions which is really really bad

I'm rethinking this town read

So what about my read on you then? Is that bad as well? And why exactly? Be specific(I know that's not your forte, but try).

You apparently don't like the Texcat wagon, but also haven't really explained why Dwlee's case on Texcat was bad. You said it wasn't even a case, but didn't even explain why. Texcat also said she didn't agree with my scum read on you, but didn't explain why.

Also don't like Texcat's whole "Saru is the voice of reason" but then "meh his Tier scum read is wrong."

Not liking this butt-fucking between you two.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: texcat
If this flips red, I'm voting vulture boy next.

This one has been changing. I'm gonna go slight green flag because I don't think these posts are made by a buddy of tiershift and texcat
you're turn
xkyfu

[Dwlee99]

your* oml

[Dwlee99]

You're doing the same crap Trans did. Can everyone stop talking crap on the town and make a case to convince people. Has insulting people ever worked?

red flag
your turn
mimikyu
Also to answer this post I DID MAKE A FRICKEN CASE ON TEXCAT EFAJZDIGHOJ

[Dwlee99]

You're doing the same crap Trans did. Can everyone stop talking crap on the town and make a case to convince people. Has insulting people ever worked?

red flag
your turn
mimikyu
Also to answer this post I DID MAKE A FRICKEN CASE ON TEXCAT EFAJZDIGHOJ

Engage people on it. This isn't rocket science.

????????
/?!?!?!?!?
?!?!?!?!?!
?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Dwlee99]

I MAKE A CASE. TELL PEOPLE TO READ MY CASE. EVERYONE IGNORES MY CASE. ONE PERSON TELLS ME IT ISNT A CASE. I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT TEXCAT IS SCUM CAUSE OF MY CASE. YOU TELL ME TO MAKE A FUCKING CASE. I TELL YOU THERE ALREADY IS A CASE. "WELL ENGAGE PEOPLE ON IT"
what
the
fuck

"There is no case"
"make a case"
"engage people on your case"
no, fuck you.
It is your job to read my case and respond to it if you think it is wrong. I shouldn't have to sit here and go through this same bullshit of "YOU DIDNT EVEN MAKE A CASE, DWLEE!?!?!" and then have to explain everything. If you have a problem with my fucking case SAY IT and I will tell you why you're wrong. Don't sit here and expect me to spoon feed you everything.
pedit see this ^^^

[Dwlee99]

like don't sit here and be like "CONVINCE ME, DWLEE" no.
Fuck that. I MADE MY CASE. Read my fucking case, tell me what you think is wrong with it. Apparently no one has any problems with it cause I have been asking people about it but no one has said anything.

[Dwlee99]

I MAKE A CASE. TELL PEOPLE TO READ MY CASE. EVERYONE IGNORES MY CASE. ONE PERSON TELLS ME IT ISNT A CASE. I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT TEXCAT IS SCUM CAUSE OF MY CASE. YOU TELL ME TO MAKE A FUCKING CASE. I TELL YOU THERE ALREADY IS A CASE. "WELL ENGAGE PEOPLE ON IT"
what
the
fuck

"There is no case"
"make a case"
"engage people on your case"
no, fuck you.
It is your job to read my case and respond to it if you think it is wrong. I shouldn't have to sit here and go through this same bullshit of "YOU DIDNT EVEN MAKE A CASE, DWLEE!?!?!" and then have to explain everything. If you have a problem with my fucking case SAY IT and I will tell you why you're wrong. Don't sit here and expect me to spoon feed you everything.
pedit see this ^^^

Certainly you would agree that asking questions is a better way to get people to vote your scumread than talking about how incompetent everyone is.

But I'll bite. Your case boils down to texcat repeatedly doubtcasting and fencesitting, yeah? You seemed to have major issues with 740. This is a classic catch-up post. Mention the things you think are scummy/townie about people. He even mentioned that a lot of people are saying "X is scum" but no real legitimate cases. He was casting more doubt on the cases than he was on people I think.

You also took issue with him doubtcasting on Trans's claim, and he was correct in doing so.

I don't believe the claim, but I didn't Zyf' s claim either. The 2 shot part of it is just too convenient.

Doubtcast - BUT (fence sitting like a boss) - MORE Doubtcast.

she fencesat in this post by use of "but I didn't zyf's claim either"

Lowell
BlackStar
TierShift
algebra
gerryoat
Mimikyu
texcat
Saru
VOTE: Blackstar

Does this mean that you are town reading Xkyfu, Sonia, and Vedith?

*COUGHBADQUESTIONCOUGH*

Has anyone else played with sonia/transcend in the same match

No, why? Is there something we should know?

Hello I is n00b I just learned how to post on this site I have never won take it easy on me please as I don't know how this game works I am anime weeb desu desu

VOTE: Transcend fking liar

MODS how much may I swear.

....what is that last sentence supposed to mean?

Does this mean that you understood the first part of the post??

VOTE: Sonia
For playing the noob card, but mostly for the lack of punctuation.

Ha. And are you still claiming that you just learned how to post on this site?

starts off with questions and doesn't do anything with answers

texcat asks a bunch of questions in their early posts and does not do anything with the answers to these questions or to advance her reads

I'll never keep up with this level of activity. I hope things calm down after day one.

UNVOTE: Sonia

I've seen a lot of {a} is scum. Why? Because they're scummy. Not a lot of legitimate cases. But it's early.

I don't think that Saru's contradiction is much of a case. I didn't like his initial reaction to being wagoned, when he said he liked his own wagon (393). But his later posts have been slightly better.

Transcend made some valid points about Xkyfu agreeing with every lynch going, but looking back at X's iso, it doesn't really look like he started out agreeing with everyone.

I'd consider voting Zyf just so that it would be easier to keep up.

VOTE: Tiershift
for his 143 where he talked about his scum buddies bussing him.

Talks about reasons to scum read Saru
Talks about reasons to scum read Xkyfu
Talks about reasons to scum read zyf (my slot)
votes tiershift for bad reasons

Nvm about tiershift actually, probably Saru and Texcat.
Pls lynch???
pedit HAHA OK

This is a common scum tell. She talks about saru, xkyfu and zyf in the post but then at the very end she votes someone who she wasn't even talking about

Voting trans but then deciding to fence sit is great. Also great how you suddenly start scum reading me when I begin to case you. :3

texcat also omgus'd me
so no, that isn't what my case is and you clearly didn't read it.

[Dwlee99]

you didn't even read my case, ugh, see this is what I mean don't expect me to take you seriously at all if you can't even read my case properly and understand the points in it.

[Dwlee99]

I understand your case I just sr gerry more but by that logic I should tr him fffff

I'm talking to mimi. But I think gerry is town right now, not sure why that was a huge wagon.

[Dwlee99]

I was at a party (it was great!!! ) and declare these last few pages idiocy and demand a texcat lynch.

[Dwlee99]

lesigh

[Dwlee99]

oh my god

[Dwlee99]

zzz

[Dwlee99]

FUCK

[Dwlee99]

brb need a meme

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: gerry
Both candidates are good so let's get this one

[Dwlee99]

WHY IS EVERYONE SO BAD
like I BET that was a fucking vigilante shot on saru and FUCK what was that

[Dwlee99]

Thank you, vigilante, for making this mylo instead of day before lylo, what a hero.
We are mass claiming
Popcorn fucking texcat

[Dwlee99]

Honestly that better be a serial killer or I will go off on how it wasnt a shot on texcat for real holy shit

[Dwlee99]

You always massclaim mylo or lylo.

[Dwlee99]

I didnt like xkyfu's vote park on me and lurk yesterdsy, sonia could be scum but we cant mess up and seriously if someoje here is a vigilante who didnt shoot texcat Im so done with this game.
Like even if I was wrong

texcat needed to be dead

The thing I cant believe more is that town has been collectively having the worst lynch targets and Im ugh

[Dwlee99]

why not

[Dwlee99]

okay but what about the case I made on texcat you called not a case and then ignored

[Dwlee99]

youre like the prime scum buddy of texcat, you say they should have been vigged but dont think they are scum, were attempting to discredit my push on them early, now you are going to "reread", come to the conclusion texcat is <insert alignment here> with cherry picked reasoning.

[Dwlee99]

Im looking at these vote counts and nearly everyone in the game who has voted texcat is a flipped town or me (who I know is town)

[Dwlee99]

I did not like the posts you made on tex as it was basically just quoting posts and walling iirc. I never saw any nice summary that stated why tex was scum, only quotes with commentary. A case is something you write up.

I quoted p much all of their posts and said "This post comes from scum because".
If you want me to post some giant wall summarizing texcat's scium "master plan" or something it isnt happening, youre lucky you even got those quote commentaries out of me.tbh

[Dwlee99]

And even if it isnt a "case" it is still something of substance that shows why texcat is scum, your apparent ignoring of it is concerning

[Dwlee99]

if you're actually the vig you should have no killed holy shit lmao

[Dwlee99]

SCUM VIGILANTE IS BASTARD

[Dwlee99]

or at least EXPLICITLY non-normal.

[Dwlee99]

Starting to think 1 and only 1 of Dw/Tex is mafia (prob DW) A Vig/BP/Tracker/Doctor seems way to weak of a pr set for town and having 5 pr's is way to many

so you think the power roles are too weak so one of the power roles has to be scum
wut

[Dwlee99]

this is a mini normal sonia. ewoisdjxucjv

[Dwlee99]

Wiki on Normal Games

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town

only

include:
Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

[Dwlee99]

Starting to think 1 and only 1 of Dw/Tex is mafia (prob DW) A Vig/BP/Tracker/Doctor seems way to weak of a pr set for town and having 5 pr's is way to many

so you think the power roles are too weak so one of the power roles has to be scum
wut

Even if mafia are just goons I'd say it's scum sided with those pr's yes.

...
so you think that there are LESS power roles than there are right now because the current ones are too weak.
What??!?!?!?

[Dwlee99]

So you think that because the current power role claims are TOO weak, that town is ACTUALLY even WEAKER and therefore one of the power roles is scum??

[Dwlee99]

SCUM LITERALLY CANNOT HAVE A VIGILANTE IN THIS GAME SONIA
pedit Then they should claim

[Dwlee99]

like this is a MASS CLAIM
okay, since texcat didn't popcorn someone, vedith is next to claim, then mimikyu, then xkyfu, then sonia, then tiershift and then blackstar.

[Dwlee99]

don't discuss the claims until everyone claims

[Dwlee99]

Wiki on Normal Games

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Town

only

include:
Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Mason, Miller, Vigilante, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

but here
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[Dwlee99]

Why did I replace into this game

[Dwlee99]

I think the team is probably tiershift + vedith and sona/mimi/xkyfu

[Dwlee99]

new mass claim order:
vedith, tiershift, mimi, xkyfu, sonia, blackstar

[Dwlee99]

always massclaim before lynching in mylo/lylo unless there is a confirmed scum

[Dwlee99]

sonia
why the FUCK
did you not check me night 1

[Dwlee99]

if you aren't fake claiming not getting an inno on the one-shot bulletproof claim is literally the most idiotic thing you can do but I mean so is everything else going on this game so whatever

[Dwlee99]

This game:

[Dwlee99]

SONIA IF YOU ARE TOWN I AM REPORTING YOU

[Dwlee99]

self-voting in lylo and mylo IS FUCKING GAMETHROWING UNVOTE

[Dwlee99]

DEEP BREATHS DWLEE

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Vedith I'm ignoring you

[Dwlee99]

Because you're either:
1. A dumbass.
or
2. scum

[Dwlee99]

and I really can't tell when you're genuine posting after your "I DON'T KNOW HOW I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE GOTTEN A GUILTY ON THE TOWN DOCTOR!!!" in quolls while like mechanically being COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE and you being CONFIRMED SCUM I was like "wow he actually seems like he isn't lying"
pedit

[Dwlee99]

^^
stop with that pic lol

[Dwlee99]

I'm gonna work on my summer work cause this game is too much right now
toodles~

[Dwlee99]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_Scotsman
screw summer work I'm such a procrastinator lmao

[Dwlee99]

can we lynch mimi

[Dwlee99]

During Transcend's fake claim fiasco, everyone was convinced he was scum. The only two who defended him were Dwlee and Vedith. Those two are the only two who I am even considering voting today.

you're.. so dumb

[Dwlee99]

holy fucking shit someone makes sense for once in the game and it's the guy with a bird avi dear god our hopes are grim

what I've been saying not to lynhch u uehsdihxc

[Dwlee99]

that's the thing I want to lynch mimi and xkyfu today not vedith

[Dwlee99]

oh yea, xkyfu is only scum is sonia is scum.
got distracted by that idiotic statement..
and mimi cause poe

[Dwlee99]

During Transcend's fake claim fiasco, everyone was convinced he was scum. The only two who defended him were Dwlee and Vedith. Those two are the only two who I am even considering voting today.

this is idiocracy

[Dwlee99]

oh yea, xkyfu is only scum is sonia is scum.
got distracted by that idiotic statement..
and mimi cause poe

I know I don't particularly feel that these people are scum, but why are the following people not scum to you:

Vedith, TierShift or Blackstar

Blackstar is a gut ping town read
other two could very well be scum

[Dwlee99]

Because assuming that they ALWAYS do and that one of us HAS to be scum is stupid.

[Dwlee99]

shouldn't xk go last considering there is a claimed inno on him?

[Dwlee99]

Godfathers aren't normal.

[Dwlee99]

There's prooooobably a roleblocker so we can't exactly afford to mislynch today.

[Dwlee99]

I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

god damnit I knew you did but you weren't supposed to out it
redufhgiuxvhesdlixcoj

[Dwlee99]

I just don't believe today is mylo

If it is we lose simple as that

no

[Dwlee99]

We can get 3 correct lynches in a row.

[Dwlee99]

I targeted Dwlee on Night One. And sorry, I'm town vig. And I agree it's not looking good.

god damnit I knew you did but you weren't supposed to out it
redufhgiuxvhesdlixcoj

Yeah, I wasn't going to, but scum have plenty of other targets now. How did you know? Mod told me you weren't informed.

Because you softed it