Mini 527 - Doom in Valencia - Game Over!

[Sikario8]

confirm

[Sikario8]

I second on that player list

[Sikario8]

vote: deathguise
i've got my eye - and my vote - on you...!

[Sikario8]

vote: deathguise

Make it bold for'ya

[Sikario8]

Vote Sikario8

Because you rhyme with Lucario, and if that psychic bastard is in SSBB the world'll end.

so it's a name game, huh?

vote: Sammich

cuz it rhymes with...jockitch!

or are we pass the random stage...?

[Sikario8]

unvote jockitch sammich

[Sikario8]

Just for the record, I'd like to

FoS: Sikario8, MeMe, and Sammich

for extensive involvement in this game. Why would you guys be so interested, eh? Trying to make sure that no one's talking about you while you're off having a life?

[Sikario8]

[Sikario8]

::nod of approval::

Rebuttal, Archaist? Would you care to plead your case?

BTW

Unvote Lucario vote Sikario

OMGUS obvobvobv

FoS Sammich

once again, seeing as he's discreetly keeping his vote on me. We're all watching you, Sammich.

[Sikario8]

Well I'm present and willing to act as a catalyst if some discussion breaks out.

[Sikario8]

Happy holidays, everyone.

A WEEK OUT OF SCHOOL!

[Sikario8]

For my first insightful point, I would like to state, declare rather, that souply is scum - it says so right above his avatar. I'd also like to say that this is not my best reasoning; however, it must suffice for the time being.

[Sikario8]

While I support your use of a vote as a catalyst, I don't believe this should be excersized so freely. I do agree with your 21-question technique, though, if the questioned chooses to answer (which I'm trying to do). I've been busy; however, when I checked in, I saw that no one had contributed crap and so I put in a quick post to imply my being alive and semi-well and went on about my business.

I would like to FOS MeMe and RTB for circular reason. We're never going to kill any mafia if we can't get organized. I actually believe it'd be more constructive if every individual were to vote for whom they thought was scum.

Vote Sammich

(In case you hadn't noticed, he has

scum

right under his avatar!

)

[Sikario8]

Heeded and, to some extent, understood. I was hoping for someone other than yourself to comment; however, beggars can't be choosers. I still don't believe that we're going to get anywhere by you posting by yourself, so I'll keep my vote on sammich unless it becomes a problem, in which case I hope a discussion will be brewing.

RTB, MeMe, gorkat, soupfly, Wario, what do you think of my voting sammich?

Sammich, how upset are you that I voted you?

[Sikario8]

Mcstab hasn't even posted in this game for two weeks. I think some serious prods/replacements are necessary.

Mod, prod deathguise, Mcstab, ridethebomb, selande, and sikario8

MOD: Prod SirWario

, I think he's hiding

Mod Vote Count:
Selande (1): McStab
RideTheBomb (1): MeMe
soupfly (1): SirWario
SirWario (1): Soupfly, gorckat
Sammich (1): Sikario8
Sikario8 (1): Neko2086

not voting: Archaist, Selande, Deathguise

[Sikario8]

Mcstab hasn't even posted in this game for two weeks. I think some serious prods/replacements are necessary.

Mod, prod deathguise, Mcstab, ridethebomb, selande, and sikario8

MOD: Prod SirWario

, I think he's hiding

I posted yesterday, thank you.

Yeah, but you didn't fulfill your promise:

This game has just exited the random voting stage and your accusing me of not contributing anything. You just said your self the actvity is depressing. Your rant about your playstyle was absolutely unnecessary and brings attention away from our pertinent discussion. It also tries to give you a free pass for later scummy behavior on the excuse that it's simply your "playing style" and you do it as town and scum.

I'm sorry my contribution does not amount to your startling 1 response pressure vote. Now that I believe we are officially out of random stage,

I will strive to present more activity to satiate the popular demand.

BTW, Sammich, nice analysis...I'm afraid to see what you'll find when you check me out...

[Sikario8]

Seeing as

this

was your post...

.
RTB, MeMe, gorkat, soupfly, Wario, what do you think of my voting sammich?

If you gave some reasoning, then maybe I would take some time to think about it. In my opinion we're past the random voting and all votes placed should have at least some explanation.

FOS:Sikario

Give us something useful.

...and

I

initiated it.

[Sikario8]

How'd you like a...

unvote
VOTE: SIRWARIO

[Sikario8]

Maybe someday I'll know why people vote for me. Hey, if you want me to address something, just let me know, ok?

And I still like my vote where it is. Sikario's post in 163 makes no sense at all, and the omgusy vote here doesn't help anything.

It does make sense. SW's saying that he's posting and posting when the only time he posted was to tell me to shut up until further notice.

How'd you like a...

unvote
VOTE: SIRWARIO

??? I'm really not following your logic here.

I'd be surprised you'd even

know

logic, seeing as you've posted absolutely nothing. Do you have nothing to say?

[Sikario8]

For my first insightful point, I would like to state, declare rather, that souply is scum - it says so right above his avatar. I'd also like to say that this is not my best reasoning; however, it must suffice for the time being.

Are you freaking kidding me, Sikario?! I 've Posted absolutely nothing, coming from you thats really funny. You made this comment well after we left the random phase and have yet to make a feasible case against anyone.

While I support your use of a vote as a catalyst, I don't believe this should be excersized so freely. I do agree with your 21-question technique, though, if the questioned chooses to answer (which I'm trying to do). I've been busy; however, when I checked in, I saw that no one had contributed crap and so I put in a quick post to imply my being alive and semi-well and went on about my business.

I would like to FOS MeMe and RTB for circular reason. We're never going to kill any mafia if we can't get organized. I actually believe it'd be more constructive if every individual were to vote for whom they thought was scum.

Vote Sammich

(In case you hadn't noticed, he has

scum

right under his avatar!

)

The text in bold is the only

actual useful thing

you have posted

all game. You say that a vote should not be used as a catalyst so freely, yet you vote Sammich with no reason other than a joke. You also say that later that you wouldn't remove it because it could breed discussion.

I've never told you to shut up either.

Major FOS:Sikario

You really don't appreciate being called out, do you? But your post

.
RTB, MeMe, gorkat, soupfly, Wario, what do you think of my voting sammich?

If you gave some reasoning, then maybe I would take some time to think about it. In my opinion we're past the random voting and all votes placed should have at least some explanation.

FOS:Sikario

Give us something useful.

Sorry, I took this as IMPLICATION: Shut up, Sik, and let someone smarter talk for a change.

Alright, anyway, what's everyone else talking about?

[Sikario8]

Okay, sorry guys. The analysis will be late. I'm not feeling well.

Get better, Sammich

[Sikario8]

MOD: Is there any possible way that you could place votecounts in seperate posts?

[Sikario8]

Hm, well, the best way to be organized, I would think, is to have discussion long enough until someone does something really scummy, then discussion can be focused on that. With that in mind, unless I'm an idiot and cannot understand your reasoning, I'd say you've pretty much confirmed my argument that you're posting for the sake of posting. Not only are you posting nothing but filler, but you're also basing votes off of it now.

And uh, if using a vote as a catalyst shouldn't "be exercised so freely," then I would try assume you're voting sammich for a good reason, but apparently, you are not.

I'd be hesitant about voting for you, but nobody is, currently, so there's no danger yet. I think you've deserved a

vote:sikario

until you can convince me otherwise

Quick notes to Soupfly:
1. Are you saying that it's scummy to be willing to change one's vote?

Last time I checked, tunnel-vision was a no-no

2. If we're going to talk about a lack of pressure with voting, would you care to explain how voting without giving reason is applying pressure? Were you expecting me to flip out when I have 2 baseless votes on me? Sorry for being nice.
I appreciate your finally giving an explanation, though. I'm hoping to hear something from Gorckat, because he has yet to give one, but rather piggybacks off of one of your explanations.

That actually leads me to a concern I've had lately. While Gorckat had some substantial posts early on, he's been very quiet recently. He's been posting without actually contributing anything.

FOS

for him. Lurking is bad, and there are several players in this game that should probably be replaced by now (any news,

mod?

). Actively lurking, however, is worse.

That's all for now. We really need all players participating. It was nice to get some discussion going even though not everyone was here, but now that some serious discussion is starting to happen (however slowly), it's somewhat dangerous to continue this way much longer.

We could very well all be townies building arguments against each other

just because we're the only ones talking.

•

What would you suggest?

•

FOS: neko

[Sikario8]

EBWOP:

unvote vote neko

[Sikario8]

Ooh- I like the little colored dots. They make for a very convincing

argument

•

Where's yours?

[Sikario8]

What would I suggest? I would suggest that everyone start participating so that we don't end up in the situation I just described.

Right now, you're the best case I've got

, but that's only because not everyone is speaking up. If somebody turns out to be more scummy-looking than you (Gorckat, perhaps), then maybe I'll be convinced that you're ok

for now

. But, unfortunately, we're missing quite a few people and it's difficult

to know for sure if any of the people talking are scum

.

They're very likely one of the lurkers

.

•

So you believe you have a better shot of me being scum than gorckat?

•

How did you come to the conclusion that I am your best case?

•

And you also believe that you have a better shot of me being scum than any of the lurkers?

Also: Understand that you are in no way obligated to answer any of my questions; however, I'd appreciate it if you did. I don't ask for much.

[Sikario8]

Ooh- I like the little colored dots. They make for a very convincing

argument

•

Where's yours?

In case you were asking that "for real":

I voted neko because he seemed to say one thing and do another a few times. soupfly pointed out his blandness and hesitancy to voice suspicion, which I'd seen but couldn't verbalize (it was an unconscious cue/read on my part). You've caught another inconsistency of the same character as the ones that made me vote him.

+5 town points IMO

vote: Abandon

If we get replacements en masse, then fine. Otherwise, I'm fine with moving on.

•

As in leaving the game? (Excuse me, I'm a bit slow...)

[Sikario8]

[Sikario8]

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[Sikario8]

Questions for sikario:

how do you calculate your townie points? Seriously, though, I don't know how you see that as a townie post on behalf of Gorckat.

To me, that post says, "yeah, what he said."

I don't know about you, but

I'm a bit unnerved by people who vote for the sake of voting without actually contributing anything.

I'm anxious for mass replacement day.

Luckily, we haven't gotten so far where replacements mess up discussion.

Most of the probable replacees haven't really contributed much, so their loss won't be very devastating. Meme, are you willing to give Jenter another chance?

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I

find no fallacy within these statements (even if he may be talking about me). Gorckat, care to rebut?

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That's one of the reasons I use these bullets - to show where my argument is based and to help those who are too lazy to look back, as I can sometimes be when I'm in a rush. O yea, they help replacements too...I think...

[Sikario8]

Archaist/Gorckat: Fair enough. Though I will say that if you're going to agree with somebody, it helps to have something new to add if you're going to post about it. Otherwise, you're not really contributing anything, and that's not particularily helpful. I agree with many things that people say, but I generally won't post about it unless I feel I've got something to build off of it. Is that unreasonable?

As far as consistency goes, I'm not talking about amount of posting or length of posting, though if you wanted to go there, I would ask what that really has to do with consistency... I mean,

there have been people who have been consistently lurking or not present at all

, but that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm simply saying that if the mafia are playing wisely, they can make just as consistent arguments as a good townie. So if I'm being inconsistent, that's an oversight on my part, but I'm wondering how that justifies my being scum. Not a convincing argument to me, but maybe that's just me.

•

Should we wagon/pressure/lynch them?

[Sikario8]

BTW, gorc...

MORE TOWNIE POINTS!!! +42.1568

unvote
vote neko

I would be more hestitant...wt4kever...

Mod Vote Count:
Selande (1): McStab
RideTheBomb (1): MeMe
soupfly (1): SirWario
Sikario8 (1): Neko2086
neko2086 (3): gorckat, soupfly, Sikario8
SirWario (1): Guardian

not voting: Pra, Archaist, Selande, Deathguise

[Sikario8]

Wow, am I the only one that doesn't like it when people don't explain their votes? Seriously people. Sik, if anyone was going to explain their vote on me, it should be you, otherwise, this just looks omgusy.

But, welcome to the bandwagon

. This should prove useful on Day 2.

That said, I'm not giving up yet. I'm just surprised there's this many people going against me with so little argument. To answer your question, Sik, I think the lurkers should be pressured yes, but lynched? wow that's a bit extreme.

And Pra, nice to meet another Minnesotan. I'm down in Mankato. Looking forward to hearing your input on this game. Good luck.

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This was not the reaction I had hoped for, neko. Why can't you jusy be scum and get it over with? Why must you ruin all my fun?

unvote neko

Now we have to go back to lookin'...
::looks to gorc::
Are

you

scum?

[Sikario8]

Woah. I though Oman replaced in.

To answer your question, Sik, I think the lurkers should be pressured yes, but lynched? wow that's a bit extreme.

Without the threat of lynch, what pressure is there? There is no pressure if there is no threat of lynch. How can you have any pressure if you won't lynch! [/lame Pink Floyd meat and pudding joke]

That said, I'm not giving up yet.

I should hope not, after only 2 or 3 votes.

sik:

What reaction were you expecting to confirm neko as scum

?

•

Don't really know, it was a half-ass attempt that worked before in another game; however, this is obviously not that game so I'm back to Square 1...

[Sikario8]

So far I can't really find anyone suspicious. I'm sure everyone here will be a pretty decent player so finding an obvious gaffe or mafia tell will be pretty difficult.

that said,

has anyone been

conspicuously

idle or lurked

conspicuously

?

•

Still

here

,

still

think

Sir Wario's scum.

•

Try him on for size

[Sikario8]

Guardian, saying your being helpful does not constitute you being helpful.

Have you still only skimmed the game

or are your suspicions on me based upon a further read?

•

You haven't posted

that

much, SirWario. It's fairly easy to go back and read all of your posts.