Open 49 - Vengeful Mafia - Game Over, before 510

[JDodge]

/confirm

[JDodge]

I claim GF

Vote: UA

Go Go Go

Da adesso ormai che senso ha
Cercare di abbracciare un passato più puro
Guardando avanti rischierò
Ma riesco a rispondere ai miei perché

Also,

Vote: Flea

[JDodge]

God dammit JDodge, I dont feel like translating that

unvote Vote: JDodge

Isnt there some sort of "Please only write in English" rule I can get you modkilled for?

Not when I'm trying to say something I don't want interpreted easily... yet.

[JDodge]

From now by now that sense has
To try to embrace a purer past
Watching ahead I will risk
But I succeed to answer to mine because

Italian to english...

Still don't understand it, do you?

Flea and Hjallti are the scum.

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote Hjallti

[JDodge]

I still believe however that this claim is very bad town play and certainly anti-town.

Quoted for epic truth.

The people who attack the GF claim the most are the scum because (assuming UA is a townie) they know that the person claiming GF is lying.

I'm way more comfortable with a Flea lynch than a Hjallti lynch to be entirely honest, but I think they're both scum.

[JDodge]

I still believe however that this claim is very bad town play and certainly anti-town.

Quoted for epic truth.

The people who attack the GF claim the most are the scum because (assuming UA is a townie) they know that the person claiming GF is lying.

I'm way more comfortable with a Flea lynch than a Hjallti lynch to be entirely honest, but I think they're both scum.

A GF claim is terrible townie play, because it draws the attention to them, which will likely result in their mislynch.

You're an idiot and have no concept of how Vengeful should be played. I know from experience - 3 games of Vengeful, all in which there has been a GF claim, one on-site - that it is the most pro-town thing possible. How many games of vengeful have you played in which there was a GF claim?

[JDodge]

If you think I claim GF because someone did it some other game, and he was town, you're sorely mistaken.

Freudian slip?

[JDodge]

I want everyone to give me their top 2 suspects, I has a plan

For me it's Flea and Hjallti

[JDodge]

No SSF I have said things possibly not enough but I have said thing and some important like my vote on Jdodge without too much cause!
Ok now I shall post!
Reading through I noticed that someone pointed out that the goon would not want to lynch the GF. Guess who was the first person to stop us? Then again if this is a red Herring then we are done for! So I am thinki9ng that UA is the GF trying to play mind tricks with us! Anyway this could be WIFOM but why would the GF claim if his aim is not to get lynched?

You. Top two suspicions. Now. Not stating them is not a pro-town action.

[JDodge]

Now all I need is UA's suspicions, and I will reveal my super-awesome plan of awesomeness and greatness and win.

[JDodge]

I change my suspicions from Flea/Hjallti to Hjallti/VH

[JDodge]

I need a clear-cut pair, not a "this one for this, and this one for this"

[JDodge]

Here are the pairs:

JDodge - Vamp/Hjallti
Hjallti - UA/JDodge
Flea - UA/Hjallti
Vamp - Flea/Hjallti
UA - Vamp/Hjallti

My plan is that the person in the most pairs (Hjallti) should be lynched.

If he is a townie

, then he should vig the person with the second-most "votes" (Vamp or UA).

Sound reasonable?

[JDodge]

@JDodge
I don't think discussion is over yet. In fact I wanted to chnage my second place suspiocioun to Vamp.
He basically attacks me for not hammering UltimaAvalon, while he can hammer right now and he doesn't.


I don't think that lynching in the middele of discussion is a good thing.
But if you lynch me for the strange plan I will execute vamp with me.

I agree, naturally; I just wanted to see if people agreed with the plan.

[JDodge]

@JDodge: UltimaAvalon said somewhere that 'he beat you to claim'. Were you planning to make a GF-claim as well? Is that the reason you also voted me (together with UA) for not agreeing on the strategy?

Yes to the first, no to the second; the most disagreeable people with a GF claim are usually scum. Likewise, since I

know

this info, it means you cannot deduce anything of my own alignment from it.

[JDodge]

Ok I will be away tomorrow so I won't be able to post tomorrow. Just to let you know!

Then why did you say in a different game that you would catch up and post tomorrow?

Liar.

(Note: I've asked the mod if I could post this, and he said it was OK.)

[JDodge]

I'd prefer Vamp lynch, with (if town) a Flea or Hjallti vig.

[JDodge]

What. The. Fuck.

HJALLTI: IF YOU ARE TOWN, VIG VH IMMEDIATELY

[JDodge]

I still believe Vamp is a good lynch. That hammer out of nowhere seems like an opportunistic bus.

Vote: Vamp

[JDodge]

Well, who do we think is scum?

We're in lylo now, so we should be careful.

I think it's Flea.

[JDodge]

Well...the last time I thought somebody couldn't be scum, he was scum, so

Pseudo-Vote: JDodge

Craplogic. That's essentially too townie.

[JDodge]

EBWOP: That should mean that's essentially the too townie fallacy, but the wording doesn't seem to communicate that too well

[JDodge]

Nope

[JDodge]

And thus it dies.

I still think Flea is more likely scum than UA, but I'm not sure

[JDodge]

UA, you understand the logic behind the GF-claim gambit, correct?

[JDodge]

Generally, yes. Why?

Then what do you think you can tell from your claim and people's D1 reactions?

[JDodge]

Well, if you've got to know, I did it for both the reasons SSF stated. I know through experience The GF Claim is really great at revealing the scum, and if it went out of control and I died, I would've at least known who to vig. Plus, I do love killing people.

Looking at the game based solely on reactions of the GF Claim, SSF and HJ are textbook scum. However, as I aluded to when I said "You're just mad cus I claimed GF before you did," I know JDodge, if scum, being the Master of Gambits himself, would not have fallen for such an easy trap. So I can really see it going both ways, where HJ and SSF are obv scum, and where HJ is dumb scum, JDodge is smart scum, and SSF is just the ignorant townie who got caught on the wrong side of the trap.

Sorry this took so long. This game disappeared from my Watch List

Well, I'm more looking for

why

SSF and HJ are textbook scum.

[JDodge]

Flea, what is your response

[JDodge]

UA, do you think that the more likely scum is Flea?

[JDodge]

oook

I'm pretty confident that it's Flea.

Vote: SSF

[JDodge]

That was close

[JDodge]

No vig after day 1.

Sorry, but i had to bus you