526: M.A.D. Mafia II. GAME OVER.

[Archaist]

What's the benefit of trying to quick-lynch someone right away?

[Archaist]

I think there's at least one person who doesn't have any WMDs. My job is to find that person and nuke him.

How do you know that person will be Mafia? And why did you put someone at L-1 so early in the game?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[Archaist]

If you're asking about reasons for role hinting you should be asking Albert B. Rampage:

I'm obviously the highest risk to the town atm. However I am not allied with Disney Land, Hollywood or the mafia. HINT: I have a general called Nkunda under my command.

Why would he come out and say he was a risk to the town unless he has some condition that requires him to be at L-1 or something before launching a nuke? If he doesn't have any such special condition then he's practically asking to be lynched, which doesn't make any sense to me.

[Archaist]

Well, if it's a question of lynching him or nuking him it's definitely better to lynch because we avoid having 1 or 2 (if he can retaliate) nukes adding to a possible nuclear winter.

[Archaist]

First of all, I'd like to know how Albert B. Rampage is so sure Mr. Flay is scum. Secondly, if he wasn't lying about having Nkunda in his control, that means he is the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is a country that does not have nuclear weapons. For all we know his nuke could be a bluff. Of course, the other alternative is that the country set up in this game has nothing to do with who has nukes in real life.

[Archaist]

wtf Yos ? I thought everything was assumed nuclear until impact !?!?

Based on that overreaction I'm betting that his nuke is a bluff.

[Archaist]

EBWOP: Never mind, I realized that his statement leads to a lot of WIFOM.

[Archaist]

Flay. Claim. Time is running out and you WILL die.

What's the point of getting someone to claim if they're going to die anyway? Do you have any way to stop the nuke from landing or something if he claims pro-town? Acutally, now I am getting more confident in my original assumption that your nuke was a bluff.

[Archaist]

Yeah, but it doesn't really matter since he already launched. The target will presumably die anyway. Knowing what role it is won't change anything, will it?

[Archaist]

Why are you trying to discredit me before Flay has had a chance to react ?

I'm trying to show that it's likely your nuke is a bluff and that your posts are scummy. I post when I'm online and I have something to comment on, other people reacting has nothing to do with it.

[Archaist]

Because if you are in fact bluffing then we can avoid having another nuke launched and adding to the total leading to nuclear winter.

[Archaist]

First of all, if I am bluffing there is no 'another'. Second, assuming I am not bluffing, why would someone risk nuking me before the 48 hours have past, and possibly risk me retaliating, making nuclear winter closer to becoming a reality ?

First of all, even if you are bluffing there could be "another," that being Flay's retaliation or someone else nuking you. Secondly, assuming you are not bluffing then I agree with you, other people should not launch right now. You misunderstand me, I'm saying that we should simply avoid launching any more nukes right now. In my opinion people would be less likely to retaliate if they think you nuke is a bluff (which I think there is some evidence for), so that's all that I'm saying.

[Archaist]

Ok, have your syntax your way. It would still be 1 nuke closer to the end of the world.

[Archaist]

These are things that Rampage does.

What kind of excuse is that? Saying that your scummy actions should be ignored because they are normal for you is not a valid excuse. All you're doing with that statement is hiding behind your "usual" behavior and using it to give a "reason" you are not scummy now. You're basically saying "I always do X, so that doesn't mean X is scummy now." Well, no, if X is a scummy action then X should be considered scummy every time, otherwise that player can always just hide behind the excuse of "usual behavior."

I'm also missing why schismatized decided to nuke JDodge. That seemed to come out of nowhere.

[Archaist]

Ok, nobody launch now, it will just delay ABR getting lynched.

[Archaist]

Well then maybe you shouldn't have launched at JDodge for no apparent reason. I read through again and you nuking him really seemed to come out of nowhere, what was the point of that?

[Archaist]

Gonna reread and look at Schis interactions. Wee.

Vote: Archaist.

Care to explain what interactions you think I had with Schis? Or did you just forget you were going to do a re-read? I don't see the point of random voting at this stage.

Anyway, from my looking at schismatizeds past posts I think we can learn a few things. He tried to nuke Flameaxe in post #107, so I don't think Flameaxe is scum. Then again, schis could have realized that he couldn't actually nuke anyone else and thus made that post to distance himself.

Also. DoS is not scum.

This seemed to come out of nowhere also. Knowing he was going to die, he probably decided to wifom the town a bit, but DoS has been pretty inactive and didn't make any very useful posts or arguments. Re-reading, I realized just how little DoS has contributed:
Page 1 - random vote
Page 2 - changes random vote
Page

8

(note no posts between pages 2-8) - unvotes and expressed doubt about ABR's scummyness. Maybe he was just being cautious, but ABR was seriously looking scummy then. Or rather, maybe he knew ABR would turn out town and wanted out of that wagon.
Page 9 - clarifies unvote and says "YARLY"...
Page 10 - another worthless post with no substance
Page 11 - Votes me for absolutely no stated reason.
I think with this it's clear to see how much DoS has been lurking and that he has

not once

made any sort of case or argument. That, combined with schis's quote that "DoS is not scum" makes him my top suspect right now.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

[Archaist]

I don't like how Archaist did absolutely nothing, then launched an attack on the first person to random vote him.

What do you mean I did nothing? I did far more than DoS for one, I at least gave reasons and made a case for voting. If you want to vote people for doing nothing then vote DoS. Also, if you would actually read my last post you will see that his random vote on me is hardly a factor my case against him; it's the lurking, worthless posts, and schis's comment that make me suspect DoS.

[Archaist]

And how are you so sure that Schis' comment was truth, and was planned to make you think the way you are thinking right now?

Knowing he was going to die,

he probably decided to wifom the town a bit

, but DoS has been pretty inactive and didn't make any very useful posts or arguments.

I never said I was "so sure," I realize it can go either way. It's not schis's comment by itself, and it's not DoS's lurking and worthless posts by themselves, it's the combination of the two.

[Archaist]

EBWOP: and the comment about ABR, as I mentioned before. That's 3 reasons, not just schis' comment.

[Archaist]

Lurking being used as a scumtell always makes me lawl.

Well then, how about you tell us what you got from your promised re-read and looking into schis' interactions?

[Archaist]

No one intensionally re-reads. Duh.

... How about you explain this then:

Gonna reread and look at Schis interactions.

[Archaist]

Ok, I reread it. No interactions with alive players.

Yes, except for trying to nuke you and saying DoS isn't scum. Both those actions can lead to wifom, but they're still interactions.

[Archaist]

Also, what's the thing against archaist?

I would like to know as well. All I did was post some observations and suspicions about DoS, and now I'm at L-1, does that say anything to you?

[Archaist]

I don't see the point of claiming. No matter what I am I'm just going to say "pro-town." Because of that, I think those who are pushing hard for me to claim should be looked at more closely. I'm in one of those situations where no matter what I say it can be used against me, which is perfect for the mafia.

[Archaist]

I'm not choosing the latter, I claimed pro-town.

[Archaist]

I have no idea why ChaosOmega would not retaliate against UltimaAvalon unless he was a scum partner. Either they are both scum, and CO knows that UA doesn't actually have any nukes so he didn't retaliate, or they are scum and CO is willing to be sacrificed for the sake of the game.

I am not going to claim anything other than pro-town, but I will

Unvote, Vote UltimaAvalon.