OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Firebringer

FireBringer is the proven scum head.

[Vedith]

I'll be the judge of that!

@gigabyte - What's suspicious about it?

[Vedith]

vedith pls bus your teammate here <3

Okay scum head Lessthanthree

UNVOTE: FireBringer

VOTE: gigabyteTroubadour

That's L1!

[Vedith]

Dunn won't hammer gigabyte. Noted!

[Vedith]

Zach is 100% town!

[Vedith]

no he's not, trust me

Why?
3 or more reasons please.

[Vedith]

I feel stupid for asking because I usually pick up on things like this, but are the people scumreading Firebringer able to explain what I'm not quite seeing yet?

Well either me or Fire end up scum but I'm confirmed town.
So that's why.

[Vedith]

When was the last game one of us was even scum in a game together?
I swear last game I remember us playing in we tunneled each other and we were both twn, and the scum were like "What these two idiots doing?" lol

Jungle game

[Vedith]

ftr i'm not really liking creature because i have an idea of his meta and

he seems kind of lurky

, but maybe it's too early to say :/

Are you for real?

[Vedith]

I am pretty sure nobody believed it lol.

I almost did.

[Vedith]

Vedith if you were scum, what would you say to me right now to get me to townread you?

I'm scum! - Give me town cred for fake claiming scum as I'm town!

[Vedith]

Scum would never claim scum, therefore he must be town!

See, Creature knows what's what!

[Vedith]

I post a lot

Yup, between you, KTS and Fire Pisskop is going to struggle to keep up.

[Vedith]

Oh I just get left in the fucking cold huh

I don't really know your posting skills yet.

[Vedith]

ew what is your post scum

VOTE: Giga

S CU MC

KTS is town too!
If only Fire could be town, we could have a great posting game!

[Vedith]

Completely unrelated: Vedith we gotta revive MOIS, pm me a game for us to join!

Okay I'll have a look through, if any games I'm in for just swap it out for MOHIS

[Vedith]

Back to game: I am leaning scum on Vedith.

[Vedith]

Well, I'm going to bed.
I look forward to reading 73 pages in the morning.

[Vedith]

I don't think much is needed to be said in any of this it's a RVS and anyone who is taking the votes super srsly is meh I don't want anyone lynched in the first 2 days for obv reason.

What are the obvious reasons?

[Vedith]

alternatively I'd pick the same number as my scum buddy for super distancing haha


haha

I had no idea so I just gave a random number.
Why can scum get the powers though?

[Vedith]

What does this mean

I mean why can they get it? You keep saying scum are getting the power...
Or am I missing something?

Also - No the the Creature wagon.
*Waggles finger* Very naughty.

[Vedith]

If I were scum my team would have picked the numbers 1, 2, and 10 exactly and we'd take both vig shots and the neighborizer (yep

What's this then?
I don't get it.

[Vedith]

I'm not saying you are Mafia... that's Gigabyte.
However, you put here that you would have chosen the powers, what I'm basically saying is what do you mean about scum having the powers? Why are you saying that as scum you would take the powers?!
Am I really missing something here?

[Vedith]

If I was scum

I'd tell my teammates what numbers to pick

And what powers to take

I wouldn't "take all 3 pwoers fo rmyself" if that's what you thought I was saying

I got the wrong end of the stick.
I need to read games before saying /in

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Not buying the dumb tell.

Cool

[Vedith]

Is this a serious post?

I mean, he makes a valid point.
Shadow is basically scum, and as he knows that Skelda will flip town, he is confirming to us that Dunn is town.

Thanks Shadow!

[Vedith]

Go through this step by step for me, I is stupid.

I mean, Shadow can probably explain it better.
He knows that Skelda is town, he also knows that Dunn is town.

So far we have Gigabyte and Shadow as scum. This game is easy.

[Vedith]

But I dislike you so much

Pisskop is cool

[Vedith]

I'm sorry if it's hard to understand still trying to adjust to forum mafia on this site compared to the java mafia as I normally play

So are you claiming to not be an alt?

[Vedith]

I've only played 1 game on my main but this is a alt account if we're being technical I'm still newish to the forum style

I see what you did there! Very sneaky! Very smart!
I'm happy to keep my vote on Gigabyte then.

[Vedith]

Scum already know that if Chrimi isn't scum herself.

What they don't know is that if Maria has a PR or not.

Scum slip!

[Vedith]

It actually did, you are now in my town block. Enjoy.

Your town block sucks, I'm not in it...

[Vedith]

...okay, just ISOed Vedith's recent posts and I think I may have hallucinated whatever it was. Still don't like the fake-looking dumbtell but don't have anything else to add to that, and I did like the manner of the brief questioning of Maria even though I think Maria is town.

Scum comment.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Gigabyte
VOTE: Charloux

I better get my bus vote going now.

[Vedith]

I trust scum vedith

Thanks Dunn! Lets make a better tomorrow, today!

[Vedith]

To the Vedith wagon!
VOTE: Vedith

Spoiler:

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith, whats your read on me mate? You kind of didn't answer that question.

Scum obviously now!

[Vedith]

Okay, any specific reasons or just because I voted you?

Because you're voting town. Town Fire would never play against his win conditions!
Plus, you want to save your buddy as it's L1. You see my vote as an easy opportunity to jump ship and shove focus else where. I don't think you ever expected that wagon to grow and have been waiting for an opportunity.
Shame on you *Waggles finger* Shame on you.

[Vedith]

It's my opinion on the situation.
Regardless if you take it serious or not, I believe you have taken it as an opportunity.
If Charmander is actually town, then you don't care if you line up another mis lynch before hand.

Saying Charmander is town because I am scum voting there, is another way of saying "When Vedith flips town, I retract my comment and we vote Charmander again!"

[Vedith]

That doesn't even make sense....
My read on him isn't completely reliant on my read on you, they just also happen to line up, its more a after thought of like "Ohh also my scumread is pushing this".

Too convenient!
If he was a town read before hand you would have unvoted regardless!

[Vedith]

So....I lynch you, then we lynch Charmander? Man, I plan these out well.

So you think lynching out 2 people that easily (with high possibility to shrug it off) isn't a scum play?
Lets face it, your comment was left open to retract it!
I'm'a calling you out, scum head!

[Vedith]

I don't think I was even voting him, was I?
Don't honestly remember.

Anyways, Vedith you are pretty scummy. You gotta go my friend, down!
If I am wrong about you, we can lynch me, how about that buddy?

You weren't?

How can I lynch you if I'm dead?
That's like you saying you will steal $5 from my wallet, then give it out to the remaining players! Where is the justice in that?

[Vedith]

Like, I could propose a lynch on myself if everyone swears to lynch you tomorrow when I flip town if you would like?
You want to call that a scum play?

I call that a bluff as we both know people will go "Awww he's town for offering that! Scum would never fofer that!"
It's a null bluff though!

[Vedith]

Vedith, you are so obvious scum here its not even funny.
Guys lynch me or Vedith, if one flips town, lynch the other tomorrow.

And if we're both town? Then what...
Saying lynch the other 1 tomorrow is pointless before we know what happen.

I will accept a lynch today if you review Gigabyte properly tomorrow.
*Crosses fingers*
Lets hope my bluff works!

[Vedith]

This posts suggest Vedith knows I am actually town.

Wrong, this post suggests that this happens more often than it really should.
I will accept the lynch though. And once the lynch has hammered (make sure I'm on before locking) I'll put through an opinion.

[Vedith]

So you think this is likely me town because this happens often?
This is a very fast switch of a read.

And you just called a previous post of mine as null for saying we should do this "gambit"

I want you to be town here Vedith, explain your thoughts more.

Actually, I'm saying your idea of lynching you the next day is silly because of the chance of us as both town.
I am saying that you need to go by the details over night.

Explain my thought on you more?

[Vedith]

I don't think I was even voting him, was I?

VOTE: Shadow Step

[Vedith]

I don't even know what you mean with 645 tbh.
That isn't the person we were talking about.

I know!
I thought you were on Charmander lol.

[Vedith]

Maybe, but I definitely think he is displaying signs that his read on me is not strong or inconsistent.

This was after you told me you weren't voting Chameleon, just so you know.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Charloux

I've been mulling it over for quite a bit, but I think my line of questioning actually did help me out here. Charloux is town, I have every reason to believe his claim.

Can we either do something productive here, or lynch Chameleon to reveal his partner?

[Vedith]

Sounds good to me.

VOTE: Vedith

I like Firebringer's ISO.

No one cares what you think, you're scum trying to save Charmeleon!

[Vedith]

When did Charmander evolve into Charmeleon in this game?
How was he getting XP?

Farming while we debated...

[Vedith]

Tsk. Awfully sharp today, aint ya little fella?

I guessed you ducked there. No worries!

[Vedith]

Charizard wagon has way too much resistence for that slot to be town. Just saying.

[Vedith]

Shadow is a bad vote anyway.

[Vedith]

Shadow wagon is an opportunist wagon.
For shame!

[Vedith]

youre the next best

Oh no!

[Vedith]

I really am!
I better buddy up to people voting Shadow to live!

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skelda

[Vedith]

*gasp* I can't believe you unvoted me like that!

And you wonder why you get "tunnelled"

[Vedith]

If Skelda flips scum can me and shadow be town on your lists? Thanks

[Vedith]

Vedith, why are you so concerned about my read on you?
I know, I don't care about your read on me.

Like the more you ask me to townread you, the more suspicious I think you are.
Let it happen naturally buddy, if you are town ill spot it, I think.

Can you please town read me!!

Also, you won't spot it you never do. My comment really wasn't serious, so take it as you like.
I'm confident that Giga is just buddying up to you, lets see if you get stuck falling with it, or if there's a more detailed reason to why.

[Vedith]

Whats with this comment? Thats out of place. I thought you were town in Dota mafia, and technically I was right. You were pro town survivor

I don't see giga buddying me, looking for my thoughts is hardly buddying? When giga starts sheeping everything I say, ill let you know that its buddying. Agreeing on a few things =//= buddying.

Tell me who would you much rather lynch today:
Skelda or Shadow?

You said skelda scum flip makes you and shadow look more town? or was that just a joke?

I still wasn't town though. And if it went against my wincon to help town, I wouldn't have done it (I would have just went with town for as long as possible).

So why your thought in particular?

Because I don't think Shadow is scum, and I think the wagon was terrible. I'm not voting him today, but I'm not going to be the only 1 on Charizard, as that has no profit.

Of course it was a joke. It was a sarcastic comment to the town lists. If anything, me jumping on Skelda here can make me look scum either way. If town, I'm possibly saving a scum mate. If scum, I'm jumping on a wagon for town credit... And we both know I don't mind bussing.

[Vedith]

I don't get how you are reading Charizard as scum, but are townreading Shadow.

Now picture that comment, but reversed.
That's mine to you. You can come up with any reasons like Charizard is dumb angry town... Scum can be both 'dumb' and 'angry'.

Do you think Shadow is flinging shit differently to other town games?

Why is Charizards anger town, but Shadow being annoyed is scum?
Is it the wording? Scum = Annoyed / Town = Angry?

I am both annoyed and angry at that comment.

[Vedith]

Also - This post will make my site post rank go up!
Whoop da Whoop!

[Vedith]

Anyways, I can tell the last sentence is a lie.

Of course it was.

I may lynch Skelda though,

I could always be wrong on shadow

. Not going to say my reads are PERFECT.
I just think they are better than 90% of everyone elses.

[Vedith]

You smell like scum vedith.

I'll have a shower later.

[Vedith]

im in the 'giga is maybe bad' club

Atleast somebody didn't drink the punch!

[Vedith]

Vote: Vedith

He's a little opportunistic for me.

Voting Shadow would have been my opportunity actually.
Unless you think he's my buddy, of course.

[Vedith]

Well either he fully believes without a doubt that I am scum, or he doesn't want to risk me going into the game later encase I get a strong / confirmed scum read on him where he knows I'll tunnel until 1 of us is dead.

I haven't decided which 1 it is yet.

[Vedith]

I don't think he's your buddy because you both picked 12 and that is stupid for scum.

So maybe we are both stupid scum, explain why we can't both pick 12? I mean, it could sure help us distance from each other, correct?

[Vedith]

Shadow, stop being bad...

[Vedith]

Vedith = Likely Twn.

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Catch up later.

[Vedith]

Neighborizer definitely does have more Town Utility whrn hooked up with other PRs and stuff. But it still is an awful first pick, whoever gets first draft pick should pick Cop.

If everyone followed your idea of best role picking first, the cop would be dead every night 1.
It's not an awful pick. It's a great pick. I've seen plenty of games won from that role, although it's normally a lot more effective without outing them.

Can we all just get to voting Skelda. Lets try to not out too many town roles today.

[Vedith]

See, even Charizard gets it!

[Vedith]

Since i'm stupid, if i understand something; then the others should as well, or they don't want to admit it because they are scum?

Hey, stupidity can be cured, my friend!
I feel like you are doing a great step here, and know exactly what I am thinking
If I could, I would use a master ball on you as you're making me so proud right now.

[Vedith]

Pick a lynch from:
Firebringer
pisskop
Skelda
Vedith
Wake88

Skelda it is!

[Vedith]

Skelda's buddies keeping them alive. 10/10 guys!

[Vedith]

Explain where you got kts/vedith too

He saw us in our PT...
Where Skelda is also... I know it's against my wincon, but Skelda is scum lets lynch.

[Vedith]

Can I get some bullet points on Skelda or..

-Scum
-Not town
-Scum

[Vedith]

But he thought he was, as town it would make sense if he raged because he was quick hammered and was pissed.
As scum he wouldn't bother because there is no point in raging he already has been lynched.

Unless they know it's not a hammer and play on it.
A lot of ifs buts and coconuts.

[Vedith]

In fairness, I didn't know who he was talking about or what situation he was on about.
I haven't read up to that yet - So take my "making sense" more of a general comment of what people can do.
Although I prefer you don't vote me, that shouldn't alter your vote or opinion on me (I assume your vote was on me).

[Vedith]

Chrimi
In fairness, we have so little to go on today. With the setup it adds so much more into it without night results.
I can guarantee that day 2 and onwards will not be so much pointless content (Not saying there won't be any).

I still don't like the Shadow wagon. He doesn't jump out at scum at all.
I'm not liking the comments that both me and Shadow can't both be scum. It feels like a build up to mis lynching 2 people with "Well, he wasn't scum, the other must be".

[Vedith]

Not lynching chrimi she's TOWN with a TOWN ROLE

[Vedith]

VOTE: fire

[Vedith]

Chrimi just vote me.
Skelda and Gigabyte are scum and until I'm lynched they won't be.

[Vedith]

I won't be voting Wake today.
I'll settle for Skelda or Giga.

The fact that it's 4 hours until deadline with struggle for a lynch doesn't indicate that me and Skelda are town, it indicates that scum are already on me and Skelda is scum.

[Vedith]

What do you think about KTS? Both of you.

I'm not against this lynch over a no lynch.

[Vedith]

In short, I'm Town as hell. The only reason I haven't been able to play us usual is because I'm in 5 games and modding a 42-player game. If that's your reason for mislynching me then frankly you're either badTown or opportunistic Scum. Either way you're gonna pay.

You're not getting lynched today.

[Vedith]

I like KTS for town. Rather than scumminess, I think his shitposty style of play reminds me of myself, I guess. Even though I don't like a lot of the shit he says. Scum actually being loud and abrasive is ridiculous when you could just remain in the shadows.

I disagree with this when it comes to KTS.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Skelda
VOTE: KTS

[Vedith]

I don't have KTS meta. But I'm still sticking to my gut.

If I'm alive later in the game, and this lynch doesn't happen today, I'll explain better.

[Vedith]

Well, that's 6. 2 more.

[Vedith]

I'm dying tonight because this lynch will make me practically conftown

If you die tonight, we either have a moron town, or no town doc.

[Vedith]

What, as if they're not going to target conf-town PR?

With the way this town plays, it's basically a sure bet.

[Vedith]

Zach just hammer and stop being a special snowflake

I'm not sure what the deal at Zach is from you guys.
Although I disagree with his read, why would he lynch who he believes to be town?
I mean, I wouldn't lynch a few people right now even if it meant a no lynch, just because we are happy to lynch KTS doesn't mean you can expect someone town reading him to.

Instead of just saying lynch, give him a reason to doubt his read.

All I can say to Zach for now is - KTS scum would play like he is.

[Vedith]

I can't lynch you and Zach tomorrow, so behave.

You could always ask Skelda and Giga to shoot them tonight.

[Vedith]

The only scare is this bw has little to no resistance besides Zach

He's not being voted by over half the players in the game.
Could they just be offline? Some are, some have been online.

Explain how there is no resistance to it.

[Vedith]

Resistance would be caused by scum if you were scum. It could be a case of scum ignoring the thread in hope.

[Vedith]

With the risk of him actually being JK
UNVOTE: KTS
VOTE: Skelda

[Vedith]

Didn't you try to quick hammer skelda >.>

He has double standards.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Skelda

This is our lynch today, not your fucking dumbassery.

So why have you changed from me to Skelda then?
If you voted Skelda originally we could have had a lynch.

I suspect that we won't get one now.

[Vedith]

Hey, I'm here. So the Vedith wagon went away while I was gone? I still think it is Vedith. Has someone been hammered yet?

Look who appears once KTS says he is JK and goes from L1 to L2.

UNVOTE: Skelda
VOTE: KTS

Fuck it, both are scum.

[Vedith]

I had a null townread

WTF is a null town read?

[Vedith]

A very weak townread. Based on gut more than anything.

So you jumped so easily on a slight town read.
Yeah... Okay.

[Vedith]

Come on Skelda, I'm calling your bullshit out.
Vote on KTS. Or have you run off again since he's at L1 again?

[Vedith]

Jail Keeper.

[Vedith]

No resistance to KTS's wagon they say.
I've seen 5 people not voting him online (3 which posted in here).

[Vedith]

Well for a start we don't know if you're lying. Claiming so late to end the day - hard to be counter claimed.
Roles do not mean alignment, correct? Powerful for town, powerful for scum.

Skelda appears as soon as you go to L2.

Yeah, you're scum alright.

[Vedith]

What does Jail keeper do on this site.

(On the one I play on it can pick someone when no one is lynched and rb/kill them)

It role blocks them and protects them.
Just means they can't do actions and can't be killed.

[Vedith]

I got to L-1 within 1 page dipshit.

And then suddenly nothing.
It stops even though people have been online.
THAT IS CALLED RESISTANCE!

[Vedith]

uh so? You... You have to be scum. Like, your logic is so bad.

Then vote me instead of voting Skelda (which you knew would never get lynched at this point).

[Vedith]

You're an idiot, Vedith. Don't talk to me. I need to talk to someone smart

Angry scum caught out!

Still nothing from Skelda?

[Vedith]

Vedith is scum defending his scumbuddy anyway, so don't reply to him. It's clear that he's scum, but I'm fairly sure Skelda would be a better lynch since I think people are still on them. We could push that better.

Which one is my scum buddy? xD

For the record, I will hammer Skelda if they go to L1, otherwise we should hammer KTS and then Skelda tomorrow.

[Vedith]

@Maria - What's your opinion of lynching KTS over a non lynch?

[Vedith]

Also, it's really fucking obvious I'm the JK because of how high in the draft I was

It doesn't mean anything to your alignment though.
As I said, I'll vote Skelda if we get there but with what 20mins or so left, do you expect that to happen?

[Vedith]

Both

Wait, so Skelda is the buddy I am trying to save?

So let me throw this out guys - KTS is saying that me and Skelda are scum buddies.

[Vedith]

Do you see you're about to GET LYNCHED now is not the time to be joking about god get your butt in gear >.>

He's scum.
Skelda is his partner. He is pushing for the lynch there because he knows that there will be no lynch there.

[Vedith]

Does anyone have meta on if KTS is normally this pissed off as town/scum

He's scum.

[Vedith]

SKELDA IS AT L-2

Who's voting Skelda?

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: KTS
VOTE: Skelda

[Vedith]

So if that's confirmed,

UNVOTE: Skelda
VOTE: KTS

JIC.

[Vedith]

Someone either confirm it was a hammer, or hammer KTS if he is lying.

[Vedith]

In fact, hammer yourself KTS if you are confident it was a hammer.

[Vedith]

Hory Shet! I forgot Pisskop was in the game!

[Vedith]

VOTE: Killthestory

At least we got a lynch.
I highly suspect that Skelda was scum. But why would they have not voted and hammered KTS? HHHHMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

[Vedith]

I would have happily voted for him if someone explained why Skelda was scummy.

Yeeeeahhh sure!
If Skelda flips scum, you're tomorrow.
If not you, then possibly KTS/Fire

[Vedith]

My play this game has been terrible though, but I guess this is a learning moment.

Wait, how do you know it's been terrible?! This comment highly suggests that Skelda is flipping scum and that you know it.

[Vedith]

Well, then they'd look for a doctor, which is extremely easy for scum to do because Skelda's claim limited to four possible people. A JK protecting a PR is risky because then they would roleblock said PR, which could make said PR useless.

You seem to know a lot of what scum are doing and why.

[Vedith]

VOTE: giga

[Vedith]

I'm not sure if I care at this point.

KTS is a lying fuck here
Giga is a lying fuck

Anyone who was actually paying attention properly in the game can see.
No one wanted to pipe up after KTS's JK claim and no one wanted to hammer (There we people online at the time too).
This shows that people dis believed him and didn't have the bollocks to vote him and that his scum buddies obviously wouldn't vote there.
Giga shit posting as if they know exactly what the scum done and why - Read that part carefully.

Chrimi seems to be the only town here that is actually playing well - The rest of you are just following scum blindly.

vedith is scum.

Waits for responses on votes before voting, to make sure it's all good.

And nice one Dunn at not claiming L1!
VOTE: Vedith

Have fun town, enjoy losing because you guys can't read anything correctly.
I suspect that Wake will be the mis lynch tomorrow from your superb detective skills.

[Vedith]

I also think Vedith/Fire may be town

Zach, just make sure you push for a KTS lynch.
The fact that no one even wanted to question it shows there's no balls in this game.
I'm going with a Fire town btw.

[Vedith]

I assume with that msg vedith wasn't mafia

We got a detective here guys, whoop whoop!

[Vedith]

Holy mother of god Ved give us a final read for scum please.

KTS and Giga

I am more certain on KTS.

[Vedith]

>> Dunnstral - Null
>> Firebringer - Town
>> Shadow_Step - Town
>> Killthestory - Scum
>> gigabyteTroubadour - Scum
>> MariaR - Null
>> Charloux - Town
>> Wake88 - Town
>> Chrimi - Town
>> Creature - Null
>> Zachstralkita - Town

[Vedith]

How sure are you on fire being town?

I wouldn't lynch him unless there's a guilty on him.

[Vedith]

Wait, I counted 6 when I voted and Charizard voted.

[Vedith]

I really hope he didn't fake being hammered.

I counted wrong. But yeah I'll say it was a fake hammer.
Regardless, vote me off, then pressure my reads, I'm not wrong!

[Vedith]

or if I just caught him in a lie.

You caught me in a lie.

Lynch me today, then lynch this and KTS the next 2 days.
I guarantee that I am not wrong here, and you will see when I flip.

[Vedith]

maybe a detailed talk with Vedith would answer that.

This won't happen.

[Vedith]

Why are you begging to be lynched so hard I understand you feel strongly about who you want lynched but there's no guarantee that'll happen if you die

I just don't care in the game right now.
The fact that people actually believe anything that Giga and KTS are saying is what shocks me the most. If town don't lynch KTS and Giga after my flip, that's down to them.

[Vedith]

what the f is wrong with you are you voting him just because he sr's you orrr?

He's already voting me because he "jailed" me.

[Vedith]

Sadly gigabyte and Vedith pussied out on me...

What kind of bullshit is this?
I was the only one calling KTS out after his claim. Where the fuck were you?

[Vedith]

And @Zach, I am under the impression that this is Dunn's town game based on the meta I've read of him.

Link me to the game where he was scum please.

[Vedith]

Mini 1803, scum game

Open 644, scum game (as a traitor)

Mini 1787, town game

Newbie 1720, town game

All of the completed games I've read that Dunn's been in.

Thanks

[Vedith]

I was literally scum in 2 games with vedith in them; he asked that question to look busy. Can we lynch him?

Pretty sure only 1 game as scum.
I also asked as town. So yeah nice one trying to discredit. Although, I'm not against the lynch.

[Vedith]

Hey vedoth why do u scumread giga

I don't Giga is town.

[Vedith]

Can we talk about how Vedith asked to see my scum games when he's been in two of them and has been linked the third then acted like he was reading over it

I got home from work like an hour ago.
Should I focus straight on you out of everything in my life?

[Vedith]

Can we talk about how Vedith asked to see my scum games when he's been in two of them and has been linked the third then acted like he was reading over it

I got home from work like an hour ago.
Should I focus straight on you out of everything in my life?

No. But don't act like you're reading over my meta or even needed to ask that question when you've been in two of thoe games

I actually thought Giga was talking bollocks about having a good meta read, and wanted to see if Giga actually played with you as scum before I accepted it.
I didn't once say I was reading, and even if I was, I do it in my own time, not because little Dunn is asking me to.
I thought I've only been in 1 with you. I still don't recall the second.

[Vedith]

U wot

Fake reads, fake post.

[Vedith]

Dota mafia

You were survivor and died night 1

Oh yeah!
That's all you had to say! I go into so many games I find it hard to know who exactly was scum and not when in different games.

[Vedith]

Vedith

Yeah do it!
Lets go by Dunn's shit reads.
Keep Giga and KTS alive until the end, they deserve it.

[Vedith]

Vedoth who do u wanna lynch

Giga or KTS of course.
KTS didn't jail me last night, says he did...

[Vedith]

Ok so there's 1 scum between kts and vedith?

And both of them had people fly off their wagons

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, Dunn finally gets it!!!!!

[Vedith]

I actually wonder why Vedith wanted himself lynched if he's a PR who knows he wasn't jailed.

I want to make it clear!
I AM SAYING HE DIDN'T JAIL ME BECAUSE HE IS TALKING BOLLOCKS
I am not saying that he didn't jail me because of PR's. He obviously is JK, he's just not town JK.

[Vedith]

Btw vedith insisting kts is lying means it he flips scum, he's scum caught for the wrong reasons

[Vedith]

ARE YOU SAYING YOURE SCUM CAUGHT FOR THE WRONG REASONS

She's saying that you will be scum caught for the wrong reasons you idiot

[Vedith]

That's not what I meant...but if you flip town, I'll quote post 2101 and pretend that this is what I meant

I like that plan!

[Vedith]

I'm thinking among the lines of KTS right now. If Vedith flips scum, then KTS will be considered as conftown, right? Maybe i'm just being cynical but i think it's worth being open-minded later in the game.

Damn Charizard, you are just too smart for your own good!

VOTE: KTS
Lets lynch KTS, then when he flips scum, you can confirm me as scum.

[Vedith]

KTS, giga, Maria, Creature

This is where I'm at with possible scum.
Only reason you are not there is because I don't believe Wake was scum, you have just been meh for my liking.

[Vedith]

Chri is scum.

I don't see it.
Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't.

[Vedith]

I think I'm one of the only people who holds this answer and I know I got some lynches wrong and I'm newish but I don't think my reads/reasoning should hold any less water than others. I understand not agreeing with my lynch but sometimes I just feel dismissed I don't know...

It's not a case of that. If anyone said in this game to me Chrimi is scum, I won't see it. At least until something is provided that I can work with.
I apologies for it coming accross this way, but don't feel that people with experience know more or have any more right in saying what they think, just don't let it get to you if people disagree.

[Vedith]

Dunn and Fire are doing good at trying to look active without being noticed.

Fire is moving! Leave him alone!

[Vedith]

I think Chri is scum because they were the most inactive player by far and when they were about to be lynched (got to L-1) they claimed a pr role that is almost if not useless to mafia so a lot of us had the mindset of her being "clear" Chri in my mind wasn't done anything towny and is just fighting with "shitposters" and is tunneling KTS so in my mind even if it's a bit out where I suspect she role swapped with a partner who wasn't been talked about/unlikely to get lynched (Like fire) and she is a stronger scum pr then letting on.

Let me just get my fishing rod out!
I don't recall seeing it, but maybe knowing who Chrimi added to the hood would help. Scum probably wants to avoid having a hood with town and if selected by town for credit, I expect that it wasn't used.

[Vedith]

Let's do this:

VOTE: Dunnstral

Sit down!

[Vedith]

Dunn sitting in a comfortable place and deciding which wagon he's joining/wking is also unusual

Dunn wants me lynched. Where does it look like he is deciding?

[Vedith]

@Creature - Do you think Dunn is playing differently to how he normally does?

[Vedith]

Yes, I think.

Just today, or all game?

[Vedith]

Dunn is the usual Dunn.

Dunnstral, Killthestory and Zachstralkita are doing the most to solve the game.

You also have Dunn crossed out indicating town on your read list until 1778

So what changed all fo a sudden?

[Vedith]

Does anyone know how much time we have left I need to know how much time I have to get a Creature/Fire bw going

We hyave 10 days.
Have you had second thought about Chrimi? Howcome you're looking at moving onto Creatue and Fire now?

[Vedith]

I haven't had 2nd thoughts on Chrimi I just know trying to lynch her would be an act in futility so I'm moving on to my other 2 strong sr's as I think all 3 are a team

Because you think of them 3 as scum, or because of their interactions with each other?

[Vedith]

But creature flip flopping like this is probably town

I don't think I've seen him as scum.

[Vedith]

a mix of both did you see my giant post a few pages ago explaining the whole thing?

1926 - This one?
I can see where you are thinking logically, but I don't think that the reasoning behind this is strong enough as it's more of a theroy. Worth refering back to if needed at a later time though.
How do you think creature fits into that scenerio though?

[Vedith]

On I haven't played with him before....but he doesn't like he gives a damn about looking consistent...he's probably town

Hard to say. Not caring about being consistent can be just his personality trait, would he do that as scum as much as town?
As I said, I don't recall playing with him as scum, so I'm not sure how cautious he is, but I would like to know from him what changed his opinion on Dunn.

[Vedith]

I'm bored of this game, it needs a red flip.

Then lynch KTS.

[Vedith]

Vedith

I don't think I'll sheep you on KTS or giga even if you flip town. You could actually reread the thread instead of using confbias and/or intentionally hurt town for lynching you.

KTS is scum, if I'm lynched and town is dumb enough to not lynch him, nothing I can do but laugh at you from the dead thread.

[Vedith]

Also, it's worth noting that who's suggesting Dunnstral as scum yet never pushing him could pretty much fit as a partner distancing.

Why the fuck did you not push him then? You just said he was scum and that was it.
After town reading him all game, of course.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: KTS
VOTE: Creature
I can get on that.

[Vedith]

Guys
Creature was flip flopping like crazy
Why is he scum

It's different to flip flopping.
He's trying to push lynches on what he has done himself. That's not flip flopping, that's trying to divert attention away.

[Vedith]

Hard claiming cop
I targeted Maria n1, got a mafia result.

*cough* *cough*, eh?

UNVOTE: Creature
VOTE: Maria

[Vedith]

I like her more than you.
Let's discuss something more important like... who is the scum you mentioned that is on your wagon?

Regardless of liking someone more, a cop guilty claim is a cop guilty claim.

[Vedith]

Hey Vedith, can you check the Draft list? Tell me what you notice about shadow?

I don't care for game setups, reason I don't read them properly. :<
Just explain it to me instead of asking me to look.

[Vedith]

I thought he picked the same number as me?
Just confirm this to me, could both me and Shadow pick a role with having the same number?

[Vedith]

Everybody can pick a role, but if the role was picked already by someone higher in the draft, then you become a VT. 13 people picked before him, i can't really imagine nobody picking cop.

Depends on how much people wanted a role I guess.
It does seem doubtful though.

UNVOTE: Maria

[Vedith]

Shadow - this will determin if I hammer or not.
Are you saying that you are lying for the lynch or you actually got the result?

[Vedith]

Well I assumed from your previous comment that you didn't get a read and was lying.
I just don't know now.

Lynching a claimed cop who would have clearly targeted Chrimi if true and has been on Chrimi all day...

I think instead of people just shouting hammer him, lets consider this for a moment.

[Vedith]

So did we really just lynch a claimed cop without considering the options here...

[Vedith]

Maria, you think Shadow is town... Why are you voting there?

[Vedith]

Isn't it against the rules to gamit so he has to be scum fake claiming against me at this point? Yes I thought he was town the whole game but now all my reads can be fucking wrong and I don't know what to think

I don't think it's against the rules, I see players do it enough.

[Vedith]

Can I also note I was one of Creature's "hard town reads" and when a cop claims he auto votes me

So if we lynch you and you flip scum, that gives us 2 confirmed town, right?
If we lynch Shadow and he's town cop, that gives us 1 confirmed scum and 1 null creature.

[Vedith]

Nope

[Vedith]

I still don't fucking think Maria is scum

She played well

If she's scum then it's probably down to the naive friendly play (not saying it's scum sided but I think people would see it as more town regardless)
Karl looking scum as shit if Maria is scum

[Vedith]

Should I claim or no?

Unless it's Cop, not yet

[Vedith]

Yes, he could actually be a cop and be faking a guilty... But that would be REALLY STUPID. Let's use Occam's Razor here.

This crossed my mind, and I can't say why because of site rules but I believe this to be a good chance.
40% - He's telling the truth
40% - He's lying but town
20% - scum

[Vedith]

Can someone confirm if scum can use vig?

[Vedith]

I'm not faking

I'm 100% serious

I mean, I'm sure you know why I'm thinking this.
Regardless I don't feel good lynching you.

[Vedith]

I want to step away from my comp again because this is so much to handle and I don't really know how to deal with this but I don't want to come back be lynched because I don't want this to be over i've been trying so fucking hard

This is to my point earlier.
If someone else made a post like this, it would be seen as scum.
I believe that Maria is a nice person overall, but I do feel that she count be hiding behind it to get attention away.