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/confirm

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VOTE: knightmare
Why RVS twice?

[Sakura Hana]

For reactions.

Do you think it's alignment indicative?

Good enough for my first vote at the very least.
Why did you change your RVS vote to sheep an RVS vote?
If you wanted a wagon you'd have done that on your very first vote.

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So I ask you again - is it scummy? I would like you to explain this one.

Well ok since my answer wasnt obvious enough then:

Yes, otherwise i wouldn't have voted you.

There I even bolded it for you.
To me it looks weird because you obviously didnt want to start a wagon since you had chance to do so with your first vote.
Second, "i was looking for reactions" is not that valid of a reason, specially when you already said so, if you were looking for reactions you wouldn't have said so.
So I wask again, why?

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Ok - explain why it is more likely to come from scum.

Scum reasons:
Blending with another player.
Sheeping a teammate.

Town reasons:
Getting a Wagon started (I already explained why this one's not possible, you would've done it with your first vote if that was your intention).
Reaction Test (Seems to be your explanation, but a reaction test stops being one when everyone knows what's coming).

Also - why does it matter that I made an RVS vote before switching?

I refuse to believe that a Town player would just go "Hey let's vote a random person" and one hour later goes "Oh hey let's randomly sheep this person instead for reactions". Once again, why didn't you do it with your first vote? What made you change your approach this game in that 1 hour time frame? seems a little quick...

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Also no "i found his >rvs< reasoning funny" isnt a good reason.

[Sakura Hana]

All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...

[Sakura Hana]

1) Again, you cannot tell me how I would've used my vote. The fact I made an RVS before wagoning doesn't mean shit. You are reaching.
2) I did want to generate discussion/reactions, and it's worked. You bit and now others can weigh in on our interactions.

1) Ok let's see:

VOTE: Lowell

Don't lurk this time.

Last time I played with Expedience, I remember voting for that feather in his cap, and I'm tempted to do it again. But instead I'll vote for another piece of ridiculous head apparel.

VOTE: Boonskiies

VOTE: garmr

I'll do what I wanna lurk.

All of these were perfectly fine for sheeping, yet you didn't you only did so later.

2) I "bit"? That's funny since i could've completely ignored your vote, instead i engaged you on it by asking you a question, something that can't actually be ignored.

Now on another subject:

@Anyone townreading me: Why? I haven't done even anything remotely townie (unless you count my interactions with knight townie and if so why?)

P-Edit:

I'm liking sakura hana for town don't think I need to really expand on why.

What if i want you to expand on why?

[Sakura Hana]

Wait what the heck? did you just unvote a person and revoted the same person? what the hell? XD

[Sakura Hana]

also what's your thoughts on lowell?

His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just that suddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill. Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.

[Sakura Hana]

That being said, i can see sayaka's reasoning coming from a town perspective, i'd want more from boon, and lowell

P-Edit:

Unvote

Ok there's something very wrong with my wagon getting traction so easily.

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I'm a gut player, and my gut is always* right about these things.

I am a gut player too, and my gut currently disagrees with the speed of the wagon considering when my gut is right the person i want to lynch is almost impossible to lynch.

[Sakura Hana]

unless you think knightmare is a mislynch?

Yeah, that was about it. I've explained it afterwards as "i rarely get sheeped this easily and it's usually impossible to get my suspects lynched" (usually not even past my own vote).
Hence why i said it was giving me the chills, a.k.a i had a bad feeling about it.

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@Knight: yet you still misrepresented me in 77

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her trying to say I could be scum sheeping a partner in Smith is a gigantic leap in logic for that stage of the game.

This part.
You asked me to show you the scum motivation behind your actions, i went and showed every possible scum reason and town reason i could think of, and showed why the town reasons werent possible, yet you spun it around as it being the sole reason i was pushing you.

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I said it when i was mentioning possible reasons for scum to do what he did on 31

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@Mod: you missed my unvote in 72

That being said i'll just do it again in case i did it wrong
UNVOTE:

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Funny to see naked votes from the person that hates naked votes and gut reads.

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PPS Did you notice that the only person who hasn't posted since the confirms went in was the scum I caught? Why abandon such a clear winning wagon?

Red Flag here, the game hasn't been open for 24 hours, what's the correlation between time of posting and scumminess?

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Inb4 there was some sarcasm/joke in there and i missed it.

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@Expedience i dont take back anything i said, feel free to vote me if you thought those posts were unsincere and reachy respectively.
@GoodLord: What you said in 127 is false. The only thing that could be more or less "attacking" would be my post on: 98 which was something i forgot to address earlier so i brought it later.

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Dang, I was hoping to find some sort of issue with Expedience's reasoning, and the part that isn't true is about the sincerity of those posts, yet i can't seem to find a way to prove that, or probably im just too tired.

[Sakura Hana]

Your question in full was this:

Why do you state worry about sheeps instead challenging them? Why not be happy with their votes

unless you think knightmare is a mislynch?

The part in bold is the part i quoted because it's pretty much the answer to your own question.
As for your new question:

also what's your thoughts on lowell?

His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just that

suddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill.

Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.

You seem to have skipped over it.
Neither of them have been posted since i pointed my finger here.

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Also i should go to sleep, i shouldn't be awake past 2 am.

[Sakura Hana]

Your question in full was this:

Why do you state worry about sheeps instead challenging them? Why not be happy with their votes

unless you think knightmare is a mislynch?

The part in bold is the part i quoted because it's pretty much the answer to your own question.
As for your new question:

also what's your thoughts on lowell?

His OMGUS vote was the first thign that caught my attention, but also was accompanied by a defiant tone, thought it was townie back then. Haven't looked at all the votes on the wagon so far, it's just that

suddenly sayaka and boon voted in succession and gave me a chill.

Probably my gut trying to tell me something.
I still dont think Knight's very townie, but if he is the people that blindly sheeped me would be the first ppl i would look at... I usually have trouble convincing ppl of my reads since they come from gut most of the time, and ppl just blindly sheeping me gives me a bad feeling.

You seem to have skipped over it.
Neither of them have been posted since i pointed my finger here.

Yeah, no. You have stated discomfort with the wagon you started because of the other players who joined. This is passive, not active. If the other players were an issue, voting or trying to engage them is an active method of addressing the issue. It seems to me that your main scumspect pool should be: chilledtea, Boonskiies, Sayaka Maizono, Lowell, and Almost50. Heck, you narrowed it down to Sayaka Maizona and Boonskiies. However, I do not see you engaging any of these players. You instead bemoan that you cannot refute Expedience's reasoning to vote you. This is bad; amend.

knightmare's defensive and emotional walls were off-putting. Not sure if I want to lynch this person, but it may be sympathy holding me back.

Lowell is both terrible and fine. He is the non-sympathy in my heart.

If I were to buy into Sakura Hana's innocence, and I have made no purchases, mind you, I would think the other members of the knightmare wagon are a fine place to begin. However, I do agree it is late and they can be looked at tomorrow. For now,

VOTE: Sakura Hana

So is it your opinion that i should've been engaging the players instead of waiting until they reply to me pointing the finger at them?
Sorry but i dont play the way other people want me to play.

Dang, I was hoping to find some sort of issue with Expedience's reasoning, and the part that isn't true is about the sincerity of those posts, yet i can't seem to find a way to prove that, or probably im just too tired.

What's this supposed to mean?

You don't really think knightmare is scum, but you think I wouldn't believe you if you just told the truth?

I dont think knightmare is scum since like 2-3 pages ago.
I also unvoted because I thought the wagon buildup was too fast.
If you think im lying there's nothing I can do to show you differently, so im not even gonna bother.

[Sakura Hana]

I will however
VOTE: Lowell
I know as a gut player how it feels to have gut reads, but you seem to be hiding behind your gut reasoning for voting here.

[Sakura Hana]

Eh actually I forogot about 84
But that's just saying things, give me quotes or i will assume that all your talk is BS.

[Sakura Hana]

Also i love how goodlord says this:

K, read (well, skimmed) everything, and every part of my gut and brain is screaming that knight is town.

I will defend him not to the death, but at least to the slight inconvenience!

Yet he has said nothing about the people actually scumreading and voting him, but goes after someone that's no longer scumreading him.

How interesting.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, I've got a question: Do we know anything specific about the setup? Like, do we know exactly how many mafia players to expect? Whether there could be an SK? Any particular roles that are guaranteed to exist?? etc..?

Not really, since the setup is fully closed, mafia members are usually about 25% of the playerlist more or less.

[Sakura Hana]

See that's how you wagon. With conviction!

Now do that same thing again, but on someone scummy.

Nice to know that's all you got to say.

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84 is a great post. 85

Ok let's break it down then:

No but really, this guy is scum. I'm a gut player, and my gut is always* right about these things.

Very great reasoning there i'm totally gonna follow up on this reasoning.

The entirety of his ISO is him getting madder and madder while trying to look calm and collected.

Words without examples are mud slinging.
(How do you even see whether he's "getting mad" while "being calm"?)

Even the latest few "let me put together a ponderous, methodical case on some rube to look like I'm helping" reeks of scum.

Once again, no quotes or examples.

If this is an example of a "great post" then all of knightmare's ISO would be the pinacle of amazing posting.

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Why would they reply to what you call a finger? You get people's attention with questions directed @them or a vote. This is a terribly passive approach to those you consider questionable in comparison to the wagon for which you properly argued before bailing on it.

Ok, so let's see

FOS: BOOON

There happy?

[Sakura Hana]

I do wonder, do they not teach people in newbie games what a finger of suspicion is nowadays?

[Sakura Hana]

Alright, but actually. Way too defensive already. It's page 2. Hot damn.

I didn't say it's why I voted you. I completely RVS'd. It's page 2, why would you get lynched...?

What's with your reasoning here.

[Sakura Hana]

You are clearly going places, Sakura Hana.

Ah but i got a reaction out of fingering someone

[Sakura Hana]

I don't have any reads yet. I don't have reasons for doing anything. I'm waiting for stuff to happen.

Welcome to Boonskiies, you poor souls.

Life is better when he is already on a wagon you join versus later, since he will happily quickhammer just about anything. So be careful with your L-1's.

So Ika v 2.0?

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@Sakura - how do you feel about Almost being the L-2 vote multiple times? What's your read on almost?

Town, I agree with the notion of coalescing people instead of splitting everyone. He was voting a scumread he thought needed pressure then jumped to another one with more votes, what's wrong about that?.

Also when you guys decide to stop arguing can we lynch scum Lowell? thx.

[Sakura Hana]

Granted tho the first L-2 felt a bit uneasy, the 2nd one is fine because Lowell's been doing nothing but calling out Knight on being scum over and over like a broken record with little to no reasoning.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah you go eyeroll all you want, you calling us out as scum mates isnt going to change my read on him.

[Sakura Hana]

Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith. I promise it'll get hilarious as we get close to lynch. I can tell he's the type.

What the heck? Stop asking questions and just vote? deadline is in a little less than 2 weeks, why would we rush a lynch when there's still lots of discussion to be had, for instance, the lack of your explanation for anything?

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why did she eventually move on elsewhere?

If you aren't even gonna bother reading my posts, then im not even gonna bother answering your questions, this question i've answered a bunch of times before.

[Sakura Hana]

Also he's weirdly sensitive about pushing people to L-2. Which, on D1 especially, is a dumb thing to be sensitive about.

Since you brought this up, what's your opinion on boonskiies?

[Sakura Hana]

Hey guys this is why we should lynch Lowell
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Yes, I'm VERY worried about it. There's nothing I like less than when a wagon forms, gets close, and then people just start to weasel themselves out of it without any good reason other than "it's too early" or "I want to keep looking" or whatever. Again, this game shouldn't just be pissing around waiting until deadline and then panic-lynching. sakura is probably scum.

Perfect example of scum wanting to end the day quickly so that we get to Day 2 without information, then tries to flip flop the situation making it look like i just want deadline to run out so we end up panic lynching, on which case i've never stated this is the case.

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So how about you address the point I made instead of polishing your mock incredulation act.

Theere was a point made?

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Apparently for someone who says:

I'm a gut player,

You seem to not understand what's having "a bad feeling" when everyone suddenly jumps into your wagon, specially when you picture if the player you're lynching is scum, scum would do SOMETHING to defend them. I take it you were lying about your gut reads too.

[Sakura Hana]

This game...

[Sakura Hana]

I'm having a hard time figuring out what most people are thinking, I find most of the scumreads nonsensical and is making me struggle to see who's genuine and who isn't, it doesnt help that some of those people dont even bother as much as of explaining why their reads change, remember it's very easy to fake reads and read changes, but hard to substantiate them with worthwhile evidence (a.k.a post quotes from the thread like... hello, what i've been saying all this time). The only person here that i've seen try to achieve some sort of TEAMWORK is Almost50, and for trying to achieve such TEAMWORK he's being SCUMREAD, like what the fuck? I don't even... while all my mafia life i've seen ppl that are stubborn and refuse to cooperate, i have never seen ppl that are actually trying to achieve town unity be scumread for... trying to achieve town unity. Like i dont even...

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
I need to do a reset

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura: My intuition is that "trying to achieve town unity" is null, not town. I think there's a lot of room for scum to hide behind "town unity" since they have to make fewer decisions, and can potentially fake their way into that "town unity" group. And I'd read A50's efforts along those lines as fake. I owe him a re-read given his responses.
PS If you think my theory here on "town unity" efforts being null is bunk, please let me know why. I've put effort into learning theory, but it's entirely possible I've missed something important.

There's 2 major things:

The first is that chaos benefits scum, when town runs around like headless chickens the chance of mislynches are far greater, so any scum trying to achieve town unity on their own are playing against their win condition and cornering themselves into more trouble later (since they will get found out anyways with PoE and all that), there's literally no late game benefit for scum to do this so early since they reduce their possible mislynches and help town get together.

The second, is that as much as what anything is said, technically everything can be faked, tho it depends on the skill of the player at lying.

Now, on the other subject, the votes you've been complaining about for "being only for pressure", regardless of what the player's intent is behind a vote, a vote is a vote, a vote indicates you want the player dead, and a player with a large ammount of votes on them is going to show their true colors (this was mentioned earlier by A50, but i reiterate it because apparently it has gotten in your head yet), you cant achieve a large ammount of votes without town unity, because if everyone pursues only their scumreads i doubt anyone would go beyond 3 votes.

What A50 has done is not only this, has also explained the reasoning why he's doing it, he's also explained why the player he's voting needs to be pressured and he's also explained that town needs to achieve unity. These are the characteristics of a town member, scum hunting, by getting town together to add pressure and analysing after.

Now let's look at Lowell, which is similar but different, he also intends to achieve wagons going, however he's not achieving them for the purpose of analysing the player he's achieving them for the purpose of killing the player and... as you may have already noticed, ending the day early with barely any discussion, notice how he jumped at me and scumread me when i pointed out that we still had time and there was no need to rush, it is 100% a scum mindset trying to make others think that the way he's doing things is right... oh also the fact that he seems like impossible to lynch, because, you know, scum has these things called partners.

Now a question for you, what is the issue with putting a player you're scumreading at L-2? Despite he saying that the player needs more pressure (i.e. Lowell) it's a fact that he's stated that you need to vote the player with the largest wagon whom you are scumreading, that's his way of thinking, while i usually dont vote someone unless I have no issues seeing that player dead, that doesnt mean everyone has to think that way, for instance, when Madonna specified that votes arent meant for reaction tests, etc but for killing the player, you disagreed.

tl;dr: A50 doesnt get much benefit from doing what he's doing as scum because it'll hurt him lategame. Differentiate the difference between a difference in alignment and a difference in playstyle.

Sorry that ended up way longer than intended, but i wanted to make my point clear.
I'll probably will move back to Lowell but i need to review everyone else.

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And I have pushed a town case against the lynch you want which you never replied to.

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Other than that...
Sayaka
Expedience
texcat

What have these people done?

Sayaka hasn't had any scumreads since she started townreading Knight, and the only worthwhile things she's done is her explanation of why knightmare was scum way back then and why im town.
I haven't seen Expedience do anything other than present his reasoning for me scum after a naked vote
And i cant remember a thing texcat's done.

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370 was directed at boon
372 was directed at everyone

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353 was against the A50 vote

That's the one, it may not be a super huge town case, but cases dont necessarily need to be like 5 paragraph's long. I showed why he wasn't scum and if he was he would be found out later anyway, but why his current attitude was bleeding town everywhere.

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Also wtf is even this:

@Sakura - I made my points; you made yours. What else is there to say about it now.

If you really think A50 is scum, why would you just dismiss my town case on him? Why not go through my points and re-evaluate or refute them? Do you not want to convince ppl to lynch him?

[Sakura Hana]

152 A50 called my Lowell vote a good vote, this implies he has a scum read there or supports the wagon.
160 A50 asked CT to vote Lowell the larger wagon of his 2 suspects
162 A50 jumps into it himself.

What am I missing in this progression texcat?

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Funnily enough tho both CT and

Lowell

* have jumped on a higher number of wagons, in addition Sayaka wasnt really a wagon when A50 voted her iirc.

A50's vote progression:
Himself > Knightmare > Sayaka > Lowell

CT's vote progression:
Knightmare > Sayaka > Madonna > Lowell > Smith > Lowell

Lowell's vote progression:
Garmr > Knightmare > Smith > Texcat

Why does the ammount of vote change matters?
How do you feel about Lowell voting you right after smith presents some suspicion on you?
A50 has expressed clear reads, he's obviously not voting anything that moves, otherwise i'd agree with you, any comments on A50's reads?
What are YOUR reads?

* After checking ISOs Lowell has changed votes as many times as A50.

[Sakura Hana]

It looks to me like he joined the wagon in 162, just to join the wagon. He never explains that he thinks Lowell is scum, he just wants a big wagon for the pressure. I don't think randomly applying pressure is a town trait. Nor do I think it builds town unity.

So you call good votes on ppl when you dont scumread them?
I don't think he was "randomly" applying pressure, look at his ISO again.

[Sakura Hana]

After reviewing, yeah im going back on Lowell
VOTE: Lowell

As for your questions about Jester, Jester is considered "Bastard" no Normal game has Bastard roles, and only a few theme games have Bastard roles and are advertised as such.

[Sakura Hana]

So basically Boon hammers more often than Ika?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still not sure about Lowell, so I don't want to move to night yet.

Be careful, Lowell might come after your head for "wanting to prolong the day and end up panic lynching"

[Sakura Hana]

You do realize that we have currently used 2.5 days out of the 14 that we have available?

I'm not usually one to highly value day time, but this is fucking ridiculous.

I don't have strong feelings about Lowell being scum, in general I'm lost and really would like to use more of the time.

Yet you're fine with everything Lowell's been doing? Rushing lynches all day because "fuck questioning we need blood" and when i disagreed he says im scum for apparently wanting to use up the entire deadline and rush into a panic lynch.

Sometimes I wonder if ppl are reading the fact that... you all got arguments against lynching Lowell quick, however Lowell's been wanting a quick day end, which is one of the main reasons i've been scumreading him (other than his relentless not giving any evidence to substantiate his arguments).

[Sakura Hana]

So are we lynching Lowell or not, people? Not saying I called it, but there you go.

Do you understand the concept of intent to hammer?
Would not be surprised if you didnt since you didnt know finger of suspicion apparently.

[Sakura Hana]

Madonna's bugging me a lot right now.
Votes Lowell and expects him to be hammered within 1 hour?
And where did Madonna's constant defense of Lowell even go? Where and Why did that 180 come from?

[Sakura Hana]

Madonna's bugging me a lot right now.
Votes Lowell and expects him to be hammered within 1 hour?
And where did Madonna's constant defense of Lowell even go?

Where and Why did that 180 come from?

There has been 200+ posts since I last argued anything in defense of Lowell. My opinion could have changed since then, surely.

Strange how any defense somehow translates to others as "strong townread" and that it somehow must be permanent.

Strange how you strawman my post and ignore the most important question im asking you which somehow already answers what you're posting about, but since you seem to be blind i bolded it for you!

[Sakura Hana]

Strange how any defense somehow translates to others as "strong townread" and that it somehow must be permanent.

Another question:

Do you hard defend people that you aren't townreading? If so why?

[Sakura Hana]

Reread Lowell's ISO. Still love the guy.

I am not voting Lowell because I think he is scum. I think other players voting for him are either being obtuse or are scum and both of those groups need to put up or shut up, as the French say.

If you are convinced Lowell is scum, I am helping so fret not, team.

@madonna: is it your opinion that the wagon was a serious attempt to end d1 quickly?

This is a weird question and so is every instance where players in this game talk about serious votes. This is for everyone:

every vote, even in RVS, should be counted as a serious vote,

because you should absolutely always vote how you are feeling. If a player is voting someone, the voter is saying, "I want this person lynched," not, "No feelings or beliefs behind this." I can accept votes that okay a lynch on a lukewarm read, but only if we are nearing deadline and the voter does not have a better, stronger read on someone else. No one should be saying that their vote is not serious, and if they are, maybe consider voting them to help make them realize what a vote means.

I do not think a wagon on knightmare was an attempt to end the day early. I think it was something which could lead to ending the day, but if the mafia were on a mislynch, it was for the sake of a mislynch, not a day ending move.

Ummm
Ummmmmmm

So you are voting "how you are feeling" and because "You want Lowell lynched" yet you're "not scumreading him"
Yeah totally believable! im totes convinced guys!

[Sakura Hana]

@texcat: thanks for saying exactly what i had already said (Well more or less)
Nevertheless
VOTE: Madonna
Fine with either Lowell or Madonna dying, but now my vote makes Madonna the larger wagon.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so first things first.

1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.
2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.

[Sakura Hana]

First: If you were just using my reasoning for your vote, then why didnt you just quote or link my post instead of just passing it off as your reasoning? Having a reason for a vote is a thing, and it'd be perfectly fine if you just had agreed with me, what I don't get is that you just went and presented the exact same contradiction I did without any mention of my post anywhere.

Second: Why are you worried over "having done townie things" than explaining the above?

[Sakura Hana]

My post was made before 565, did you not read the posts before posting that?

[Sakura Hana]

Tbh i dont think she's lying about missing my post.
What bothers me is that she keeps appearing as "i have provided a reason, so i'd think i'd be townie for it", if she already had a reason on 565 why not vote right then and post the contradiction later, it's weird to me.

[Sakura Hana]

Well, it's not something that we can directly verify, my reasoning comes like this:
Before 565 texcat's last post was a bunch of posts ago. If texcat wasnt active lurking (which isnt something we cant verify right at this momment), it's entirely possible she just read the last page or so and presented her post, and just didn't read it.
It's also entirely possible she's lying, but i dont wanna go guns blazing just yet, specially with how quickly D1 came to an end, I want to explore all angles and possibilities first.

[Sakura Hana]

If you knew that Madonna was town, why did you vote her?

If you're going to misread my words, then at least do it with something that isn't glaringly obvious that is not what i said.
Snarkyness aside, you seem to have missed something from the post you quoted:

1) Knowing

now

that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.

You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.

Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.

Uh what?

Are you going to vote texcat any time soon or just dance around a bit more?

I'm not going to vote texcat anytime soon, first of all im not entirely sure she's scum, which is why im asking questions tyvm, so im going to dance around more.

[Sakura Hana]

Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.

So you're going to keep pushing something that is false?

Well, you put Madonna to L-2, which is basically the same thing.

Yeah so?

You seemed passively and awkwardly a part of the crowd cheering for the blood of a quicklynch.

Uh what?

So who are you going to vote any time soon? Me? Lowell? Garmr????

Why do i have to vote SOMEONE sometime soon? Why do I have to play the way you want me to play?

[Sakura Hana]

Spoiler:

...And wagons on newbs are fun, anyway.
...
so I'm moving to an easier, hopefully more hilarious, target.

Serious vote or joke/reaction test? I'm assuming the latter for now. I dislike playing games with votes but whatever.

This guy needs some votes. Even when I specifically vote him on page whatever this is, he's all "oh, me? are you being serious? Is this just a joke? oh gosh, I don't know."

Stop asking questions: vote mhsmith. I promise it'll get hilarious as we get close to lynch. I can tell he's the type.

What the heck? Stop asking questions and just vote? deadline is in a little less than 2 weeks, why would we rush a lynch when there's still lots of discussion to be had, for instance, the lack of your explanation for anything?

There's always someone who gets needlessly peeved about this. For every "oops quick lynch" I've seen about a dozen "no let's wait no let's wait no let's wait OOPS OUT OF TIME KILL SOMEONE RANDOM QUICK." So how about you address the point I made instead of polishing your mock incredulation act.

What do you think of Sakura, Lowell? You're not weirded out at all by her backing off of knightmare?

Yes, I'm VERY worried about it. There's nothing I like less than when a wagon forms, gets close, and then people just start to weasel themselves out of it without any good reason other than "it's too early" or "I want to keep looking" or whatever. Again, this game shouldn't just be pissing around waiting until deadline and then panic-lynching. sakura is probably scum.

Oh man.

Boon is scum, lowell is prob scum and madonna is prob scum too. Although madonna is a slight read.

Can we just decide on one of these. I would go for boon though.

Sounds pseudo-Lowell.

Yeah this guy wishes. Though in possibly related news, this guy gives me townvibes.

Anyway, smith, sakura, and knight. Game over, let's all go home.

According to this post, Lowel's scumreads are sakura, knight, smith.
Texcat hasn't said anything from 314 till recently after Lowel's vote. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

Lowell what made you change your mind regarding your scum reads? What made texcat suddenly scummy?

Lowell I want an answer to this.

I like wagons. And I have a theory. And hopes and dreams.

I also want an answer to my question.

[Sakura Hana]

Well what you think it's wrong and here's why:

The Knightmare push was based on little to no reasoning, hence why it surprised me when ppl started jumping onto the wagon so quickly.
Lowell and Madonna where people i had strong reasons to believe were scum so i had no issues with a wagon forming on them.

When a wagon results in a mislynch, there's very likely scum in it, which is why im looking at it. Why are you misrepressenting things despite being corrected?

P-Edit: I am not worried about being voted for not playing the way people want me to play, I'm not a person that's going to accomodate to what people want me to do. I'll scumhunt my own way whether you like it or not.

[Sakura Hana]

I have a large weekend (Thursday through Sunday) so im gonna be taking a V/LA this weekend, V/LA until Monday.

[Sakura Hana]

The ammount of possible night killing PRs doesnt even ammount only to roleblcoks and doctors, there's also bulletproof.
Why were you even assuming roleblock is the only possibility?

[Sakura Hana]

that's meant to say Night kill blocking not Night killing derp.

[Sakura Hana]

Hi, I haven't read anything that happened since i left yet and not planning on doing so anytime soon, if anyone would be so nice as to provide a summary that would be cool.

[Sakura Hana]

Hi, I haven't read anything that happened since i left yet and not planning on doing so anytime soon, if anyone would be so nice as to provide a summary that would be cool.

Actually I wanted YOu to tell ME who your top 3 scum reads are. It doesn't help that you're not caught up, but "not planning on doing so anytime soon" is scummy as can be.

If you think it's scummy then vote me for it, im not going to magically make up time to catch up, if you really need that info soon, a summary would be of great help.

[Sakura Hana]

Garmr (1): Expedience

Here are the lists provided by others. Everyone has their own suspects:

<snip>
Sakura, Sakaya, texcat (Expedience)
<snip>

Uh what.
Garmr is nowhere in this list yet Exp is voting him?

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway as for my list it'd be Exp/Lowell

[Sakura Hana]

if you need a 3rd it'd be texcat who is somewhere in the null-scum category.

[Sakura Hana]

Also if Expedience is scumreading texcat why isnt he helping lynch her? Considering he's been doing everything about getting me to vote.

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm no, from what i know of scum!Expedience he wouldn't hesistate to bus texcat if they were partners, texcat might be a mislynch
VOTE: Expedience

[Sakura Hana]

LOL. Have you read this page thoroughly?

Yes, she was saying she wanted a summary and everything and from there went on to vote expedience. So I wondered if she had completed her reading.

If no one provides a summary i cant promise ill catch up at least until tomorrow, im basing my vote on Expedience's posts on D1 and what i saw from him on D2 before leaving.

I'm not moving my vote from texcat. That was blatant trying to send something this way.

Why are you scumreading chilled?
What do you think of Expedience misrepresenting everything?

[Sakura Hana]

They both are giving crap reasonings and switch wagons when something gets going. I am scum reading chilled for the same reasons texcat is being scum read.

So, why can't this be SvS from your PoV?

Also, I haven't been paying too much to expedience. I feel like he's repeating himself.

Really? that's surprising, considering you both have the exact same reads (minus chilled)

[Sakura Hana]

Their behavior doesnt benefit scum/scum at all. They are very likely to get one of themselves lynched if they are scum/scum, and that's just not good scum play at all.

Scumpartner tex is getting lynched one way or another scum chilled comes to bus to grab the towncred.
chilled's tunneling town on tex who scum is taking advantage of to mislynch.

There i gave you 2 very common scenarios of possible TvTs and SvS.
Can you really ignore those posibilities? and if so why? with examples please.

[Sakura Hana]

but I assure you, our reads are not the same.

Sakura, Sakaya, texcat (Expedience)
texcat,

chilled

, Sakura, Sakaya (Boons)

yeah not the same totally.

[Sakura Hana]

You even FoS'd the person he was voting!

[Sakura Hana]

Im doing so to show a more graphical way of explaining this:

considering you both have the exact same reads (minus chilled)

it doesnt change the fact that you got asked your top 3 scumreads, and your texcat and chilled reads are reverse of each other, so assuming chilled town, your reads would be the exact same, or are you saying that you lied and those arent your top 3 scumreads?

[Sakura Hana]

While we're at it, if you haven't been paying attention to Expedience, how do you know your reads arent the same strength?

[Sakura Hana]

Expedicen+Boons+(Lowell?)

[Sakura Hana]

Tbh i've always hated TvS arguments, because it looks like scum lining up lynches.
Boon is scum for lying and doing the above.
Expedience is scum for misrepresenting every single one of my posts since day 1.

[Sakura Hana]

1)Fair enough, i just feel like TvS arguments are to make one flip, then go "oh then the scum is the other one" and flip the other and go "oops? guess i was wrong" which is awfully easy to do if you know both of them to be town.
2)Boon is lying like here:

Also, I haven't been paying too much to expedience. I feel like he's repeating himself.

If he's not paying too much attention to expedience how does he know this:

I wouldn't say we have exact same reads. I feel he scum reads you harder than I do, and my scum read on you is more external. And minus chilled is quite a big thing. We may have lean scum reads on similar people,

but I assure you

, our reads are not the same.

3) Here:

Funny to see naked votes from the person that hates naked votes and gut reads.

These posts made me thing that you were scum:

All these people sheeping me are giving me the chills however...

P-Edit:

Unvote

Ok there's something very wrong with my wagon getting traction so easily.

Your explanation for your unvote is not believable to me.

It seems like you're just turning the tables on everyone who agreed with your (bad) accusation of knightmare, so that you always remain on top.

I also think that 28 is reachy. So if you show me that you were doing RVS things in 28, I'll unvote you.

Ok so first things first.

1) Knowing now that Madonna's town, i'm mostly gonna be looking at the other ppl voting that wagon.

If you knew that Madonna was town, why did you vote her?

2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.

You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.

2) Day ended within 2-3 days (more or less the way Lowell wanted), I'm interested in seeing what Lowell supposedly manages to get from short days, enough to want to rush Day 1 before.

You put both Lowell and Madonna to L-1 and so have no right to say this.

Okay, you didn't, but you basically did.

Are you going to vote texcat any time soon or just dance around a bit more?

Not to mention he also tried to provoke me into OMGUSing here:

So who are you going to vote any time soon? Me? Lowell? Garmr????

Why do i have to vote SOMEONE sometime soon? Why do I have to play the way you want me to play?

Because otherwise other people will vote you, maybe.

[Sakura Hana]

I think i'll watch exp and sakura

...
Watch what?

[Sakura Hana]

Okay, but none of that is scummy.

It is when you use it as a drive to lynch someone even after being corrected.

[Sakura Hana]

Interactions* autocorrect

Because I want to see if exp is still full bs when it comes to others aka not me

But i already quoted showing how he's full of BS.
Unless you mean something else.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not seriously saying that you're scum for putting Madonna to L-1, and I never was. I was just trying to pressure you into actually doing something rather than all the posturing and not voting anyone.

So backtracking now?

[Sakura Hana]

That's still backtracking, your backtracking on saying your arguments at the start of the day were legit. I don't even understand why town would do what you're doing, and all those misprepresentations and taunting are seriously pissing me off.

[Sakura Hana]

Define buzzwords however you like. My posts weren't from a scum perspective.

Neither are mine, would you look at that!

[Sakura Hana]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

[Sakura Hana]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

Is this the game you reference?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65049

I suppose I should look at it for a comparison point.

Yes that's the game I reference.
People led by Wisdom just kept shouting that I was scum, with no reasoning, and everyone just followed along and didnt let me do anything so I end up ragequitting.
My current belief is that Expedience is trying to achieve the same since he knows how i react as town, and it's why he's trying to make those misrepresentations, snarky remarks and taunting me.

[Sakura Hana]

Is it your opinion that you would only be affected this way as town?

I don't have any opinion on anything meta related to me, I let ppl meta me and form their own opinions. Because anything that i know would attribute to just town me, i will implement to my scum game.

That being said.
I guess I can be affected as both alignments, but the difference is that as scum it would be fake.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura: those posts of expedience's that you listed don't read as misreps to me. I think it is a weak interpretation but those are different things. Could you explain further why you feel those were misreps?

124 He's creating scummy motivation where there's none.
639 Not sure why you don't see this one, it's plain as day, my post refers to Madonna flipping town, not prior knowledge of the slot being town, yet Expedience decides to say it's the former, i mean come on, i don't get it. And i still don't understand what he meant by the second part since i never complained about the day ending early, I was asking Lowell a question.
640 Says im "dancing around Madonna" when im clearly just asking questions to see what happened back on Day 1, yet another instance of him creating scummy motivation when there's none.

[Sakura Hana]

Toasty: Why do we have opposite reads regarding Almost and Expedience, i don't understand why anyone's townreading what he's doing, i don't get why ppl don't see what i'm seeing, and the only person that's actually been seeing what im seeing is Almost50 as shown in 673 which is another reason for me to think he's town.

[Sakura Hana]

it's the former

This meant to say "it's the later"

[Sakura Hana]

So what he's doing in 630 is something you associate with town mindset? I mean the misrep is obvious, and he didnt even go and say "Oh sorry I misread" he just kept pressing the issue, I don't understand...
I don't really get it.

[Sakura Hana]

Also oops wrong post it's supposed to be 639
P-Edit: How do you misunderstand something after 641, 639 and 643 I don't get why anyone believes that is coming from town, like he must be like innocent child level to believe he's town doing that.

[Sakura Hana]

A difference in perspective, doesnt omit a word to make something sound different... even after putting that word in bold and large font size.

P-Edit: Wait what the fuck?

[Sakura Hana]

God damn. I'm so fucking pissed off of that blatant lie.

Yet you're not scumreading Expedience off his freaking blatant misreps, how funny.

[Sakura Hana]

ToastyToast just flat out fucking lied.

So did Exp in 639, what is it, selective scumhunting now?

[Sakura Hana]

Read the post after that. You are the one I see misrepping things.

It only counteracted the 2nd part of it, not the first part, who is doing selective quoting/memory?

[Sakura Hana]

(Beisdes the counteracting is wrong too).

P-Edit: Where's ToastyToast lying? he put you in a group of lurkers. I don't remember almost anything you've done this game, i think that more or less qualifies you as a lurker no?

[Sakura Hana]

So him saying "Ok you didnt but you basically did" nullifies what he said? seriously?

[Sakura Hana]

Like that nullifies nothing, if anything it nullifies the "ok you didnt" with the "but you basically did" why do i have to explain semantics u.u

[Sakura Hana]

You don't remember what I've fucking done this game? You were pushing tons of the stuff I was doing earlier.

Oh so NOW you acknowledge that you did it?

[Sakura Hana]

And now you are lying.

I am not.

[Sakura Hana]

Well it's obvious everyone wants to believe in Expedience the pinacle of towniness who apparently never lied or misrepped, i'll just expose him in another way.

As for you, you die.

VOTE: Boonskies

[Sakura Hana]

And I know I'm fucking right.

And I know for a fact that you're wrong.

[Sakura Hana]

Who am I wrong about? Texcat or Toasty? You know, right?

All 3 of them.

[Sakura Hana]

Fuck this game. Filled with people lying and no repercussions. I'm so done.

Yeah no repercusions for Expedience, I agree. Finally something you say I agree with, too bad you're scum tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I've been so fucking pissed off at this game, and I played a lot of games with RadiantCowbells when he was still newer.

You...
Take that back.

[Sakura Hana]

@Mod: I'm voting boonskies not myself

Fixed.

[Sakura Hana]

edit: those links apparently only carry through into the game and not the actual ISO. not sure why.

Because the [] breaks the url parsing, i'll fix the links for you:

I'm looking at prior Boon games...
town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
town http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
scum http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

and the whole tone sounds completely different from him here.

on the other hand...
scum http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
546 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7152032
That one (and some of the next few) sound similar to some of the stuff he's been spewing this game.

Moreover, I just don't see cause for him to get THAT angry in the first place in this game. Feels like he's playing it up. And I agree with TT's bit about him active lurking; he's posting a lot, but he really isn't doing much of anything productive.

VOTE: Boonskiies

To get this url just navigate to the bottom of a page and select "Display posts by user: username" you can even do isolation of 2 or 3 users this way.

[Sakura Hana]

@Dierfire: What's your opinion on Expedience and Boon

[Sakura Hana]

That is L-1, inb4 Expedience goes "OMG LOWELL IS SCUM FOR PUTTING BOONS AT L-1"

[Sakura Hana]

Boon is lying tho

[Sakura Hana]

Boon i'll give you until your next post to fix your claim into something that isnt a lie and explain why you lied or otherwise im adding super glue to my vote.

[Sakura Hana]

Boon i'll give you until your next post to fix your claim into something that isnt a lie and explain why you lied or otherwise im adding super glue to my vote.

Please come here and explain yourself.

There's nothing to explain, he ignored me, so he's lying, he's scum.
If he was town saying the truth he would've challenged me

[Sakura Hana]

If you need a more in depth explanation:

He's supposedly a Town PR, who thinks i'm scum, from his PoV me saying that he's lying should be me preparing for a fake claim to get him lynched regardless, a towny reaction would be to call me out on BS and continue strongarming my lynch, but he... just ignored that my post existed at all. He knows he's lying and is worried that i caught him lying, so he's scum.

[Sakura Hana]

To clarify this, are you actually counter-claiming him, or just reading into his comments?

Read back into my previous post, I made an inference that i had information that counters what he's claiming, either his role or his target.
He ignored me completely, does this make sense for someone that thinks im scum and is a town PR?
Oh and... just to add. Look at where he's going now, since JK is a role scum has to kill, he switched his claim to JOAT, i assume he's gonna claim later that he also has a 1-shot bulletproof so he's still alive?

@Sakura - what is your opinion on Garmr?

Maybe town.

[Sakura Hana]

But hey since apparently the inference is not enough. No i dont actually have any info that counters what he's claiming, this is a closed setup, scum can lie and we wont know since we dont know what roles are in the game, hence my test.

[Sakura Hana]

wtf? What is there to be said? How is this even a matter of lying and truth at this point?

How is it a matter of lying and truth?
So you're saying that one of my stronger scumreads claims a PR and i should take it like word of god?

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: sakura

I won't be happy until I've voted everyone! I don't have a case here, other than I believe boon and have strong townvibes on exp. So sure let's make this happen.

Oh look, my 3rd scumread is voting me, whatever shall i do.

[Sakura Hana]

You aren't going to counterclaim. You have nothing to claim. Literally, nothing. I am literally not worried at all. Pissed off? Yes.

So?

Fellas, there's a reason she isn't counter claiming. All your posts are crap now.

How are they crap?

You aren't saying anything or making any kind of cases besides "oh, he's lying about being that role. lynch him. lynch the person who claimed PR. don't believe it. Just don't. please guys, dont believe it. he's lying.

I would have probably have believed you if you had come at me with everything when i infered that you were lying, but you didn't. Too late to go and do as i was expecting town to do now.

that's your entire fucking case.

My entire case on you consists on calling ppl out on stuff they arent doing, fake claiming a PR, and your actions not matching your words. Your AtE is fake, your claim is fake.

[Sakura Hana]

I answered Texcat's question real fast because I was doing a read through at my rehearsal of My Fair Lady, and I did it during whatever time I had during my small break, which might I add, I'm not going to use the entirety of the 5 minute break on mafia scum in the first place.

So in the 21 hour or so gap between 1013 and 1027 You had no time to "react" to my post? It's like it wasnt even there im surprised you reacted to texcat's question and not my own accusation. Which was at least quoted by some ppl as well. I really find that hard to believe.

[Sakura Hana]

we lynch Sakura today.

If you lynch me today you wont even make it to night.

[Sakura Hana]

we lynch Sakura today.

If you lynch me today you wont even make it to night.

How won't I make it tonight? You claiming vengeful? You have until your next post to "fix this".

I'm not fixing anything, that's what's gonna happen.

[Sakura Hana]

See this isn't a Town way of thinking:

You claiming Vengeful? If you are, even more of a god damn reason to lynch her over me. If I'm lying, she can shoot me, problem solved. BUT I'm not, And I highly doubt that.

Assume he's actually saying the truth, if he believes me being "vengeful" is a reason to lynch me over him, that means he believes my claim, which if he's town would result in 2 town PR deaths.

[Sakura Hana]

answer the question. Are you vengeful? Because I don't believe you are. That's what is wrong with your statement.

Role fishing now?
P-Edit: Deal
VOTE: Sakura
I'll vengekill you then i'll get to see something funny.

[Sakura Hana]

Hey guys we're lynching me now so that i can vengekill Boonskiies and we get to see him ripping his own pants and showering them hot sauce and then eating them whole!

[Sakura Hana]

I think that you should fully claim your role and explain your reaction to the claim by Boonskiies. It's not as though it gives the Mafia more information than lynching you would, and I'm trying to assess the chance that you're both Town here.

They have both been throughly explained however.
Also if ppl arent up to seeing boon eat his own pants in hot sauce, i'll just move my vote back there!

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Sakura, does your vengeful ability get activated if you are nightkilled?

Not really.
It's only if i am lynched.

[Sakura Hana]

Happy April's Fools people, i wont be around Today sorry.

[Sakura Hana]

If someone wants to counter claim they are the non normal role come at me then.
While i would love to see boon eat his pants in hot sauce, the one thing bothering me is dier's stance in all of it.
He says i should be lynched because im vengeful so that i can shoot Boon, but wouldn't the townie mindset be to let the scum waste a NK on me instead.

Vengeful would be the 1 possible role added.

This is a really weird position to take for someone who wasn't believing me in their previous post.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and not to mention that dier's reason is "because numbers" lol.

[Sakura Hana]

I haven't read Dier's case on Chilled because I just got back, but i would really prefer him to take a strong stance on both me and Boon, because with the way things are going there's no way the lynch can be shifted elsewhere.
Also.
VOTE: Boon

[Sakura Hana]

It's a far more sensible argument to go for a scum death instead of a town and a scum death.
This isn't rocket science.

[Sakura Hana]

I would understand wanting to lynch me if you think im scum and lying, but trying to tell others to lynch me because it's better to lose 1 town and 1 scum instead of just 1 scum, that's a really bad argument.

[Sakura Hana]

non-CC'd is meaningless in a closed setup however.

[Sakura Hana]

The problem is that Boon hasn't been acting like a Town PR who was about to be counter claimed, he's been acting like scum who knows that i'm town.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont really like outing PRs when unnecessary, but if since you guys are so damn stubborn if a PR doesnt counter claim with an ability that could've stopped a NK in 24 hours i'll stop the push.

[Sakura Hana]

There's currently a reasonable chance that sakura will flip vengeance and kill boon

For someone saying that Boon's an unCC'd PR, this doesn't seem to bother you in the slightest, you're suggesting here that we're both town and you don't care?

Really, take a stance, you either believe him, believe me, or believe both.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont really like outing PRs when unnecessary, but if since you guys are so damn stubborn if a PR doesnt counter claim with an ability that could've stopped a NK in 24 hours i'll stop the push.

Add you self-voting and it's a deal.

Sure, except if no one CC's... im vengekilling YOU instead.

[Sakura Hana]

I was reaction testing Boon, he didn't react how a Town PR reacts to someone that he's scumreading claims.

[Sakura Hana]

I was reaction testing Boon, he didn't react how a Town PR reacts to someone that he's scumreading claims.

How would you expect a town PR to react? How much variation in these kinds of reactions have you typically seen? And how much range do you give these reactions for some of the weirder players you see (and I think Boon likely fits somewhere in that range)?

I intentionally gave about 2x hours for Boon to reply, he said he was busy for 2x hours i find that really hard to believe.
There's no reason to ignore a post from the person you're scumreading and is calling you out on lying, if you truly believe they are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

but I'd rather keep a doc/JK alive and potentially useful in future nights, thank you very much.

That was what i was trying to do! but thanks a lot for not lynching scum boon.

[Sakura Hana]

if you have a better candidate I'm wiling to listen

Exp is the only other one that im entertaining a lynch on today.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait a second, wouldnt another PR outing mean that Boons is counter-claimed? I don't understand why you say "ANOTHER" town PR.

[Sakura Hana]

I wanna hear from Maestro first and foremost, he replaced in and has yet to do anything.

[Sakura Hana]

How close were we to deadline when the people who didn't want to vote Boons did so (namely, Expedience).

3 or so days, according to the expiry date on the countdown timer.

[Sakura Hana]

Basically deadline was supposed to be last midnight, but the lynch happened between 2-3 days ago, so probably a bit over 2 days?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm having doubts about mhsmith right now tbh, he's voting you for wanting a CC, while he was basically doing the same thing.
That being said I'm torn between whether expedience is town or scum, mostly based on his reaction to the counterclaim.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, you were telling the truth about being vengeful, right? It would just be good to check in case it was some sort of gambit to pressure Boonskiies.

Ugh, what's with this role fishing. For one i do lots of gambits but also im a type of player to claim early for no reason, it's better for scum to figure it out on their own.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok fine i'll admit it, it was a gambit.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, i didnt check that, what the hell Lowell.

[Sakura Hana]

I really wanna hear more from maestro, that last prod dodge is making me go

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura has yet to provide an updated list.

I'll do that later, im currently busy and probably will be busy all weekend sorry >_<

[Sakura Hana]

I'm going to pdodge since i didn't explicitly state V/LA despite the fact that i am V/LA this weekend.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm currently of the opinion that 1382 resonates with my thought process during the whole thing yesterday when dire wanted to lynch me. But then i don't remember much Garm has done before, im really having trouble getting definite ppl i want to vote because everyone except like a couple just feels scummy to me =/

If I go by what happened yesterday, Expedience's raction to the counter claim looked genuine, also Lowell's ISO dive on mhsmith looks like too much work for scum to do, which is why i have trouble placing them in my top scumreads list, i can't remember anything texcat's ever done and Sayaka and Maestro havent done much either, but Maestro wanted to be engaged so i think that's townie?.

I'll be mulling it over for the rest of the day (real life) and see if i can figure out this whole mess.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so after mulling it over i have come over my reads on everyone in descending order of towniness.

ToastyToast
Almost50
mhsmith
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Lowell
Expedience

Garmr

Maestro

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texcat

Dierfire

The ones in italics im having the most issue sorting they could be on a whole lot tier of their own:
Garmr defended me Day 1 i thought i saw this as someone who was town, but only expedience and madonna seemed to have an issue with me that day so i thought it was normal, after that i can't remember much of what he's done.
Maestro's predecessor Sayaka made some comments wrt knightmare, then decided to not appear again after posting on D2, and then Maestro just came in here to drunk post and said he's been bored.
texcat: Parroted me on Day 1, supposedly done because she didnt see my post, and cant really remember much else other than she going after ppl for joining wagons.

The names at the top are ppl im pretty confident right now on being town.
The names at the bottom are the ppl i've seen the least i can call town from, and im going to start there.
VOTE: Dierfire

Mostly because during the whole exchange with boons, he sat on the fence and wanted to just lynch me so i could vengekill boons and was "only worried boons was town too" if that was his worry why not lynch boons instead of lynching me for numbers. I never exactly saw an answer to that. Moreover he decided to against the counterclaimer chilled and decided to believe boons despite the fact that his attitude was more scum than anything specially after my reaction test.
Dierfire One main question i have is why was numbers more important than keeping the ammount of townies and more importantly a potential PR (even tho it was a gambit) alive for scum to NK instead of getting rid of it together with boons.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry, I'm still just as happy as can be with my vote on Expedience. But I would also be happy to go back to Lowell.

Sakura, can you explain why you have Expedience and Lowell so high up on your list?

Expedience posting when the whole CC thing came down felt towny (it felt genuine that he didnt expect a counter claim)
I liked Lowell's 1296 even tho i disagree with the conclusion.

[Sakura Hana]

And now this whole exchange between expedience and garmr is making me rethink again =/

[Sakura Hana]

Oh, damn. Garmr is bussing.

???

Vote Garmr then.

What.
Wouldn't the logical course of action if you think X is busing Y would be to vote the person with the largest wagon?

[Sakura Hana]

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

[Sakura Hana]

First of all many apologies to everyone.
But it turns out the fever i've been experienced is caused by me getting hit by Chikungunya virus again, just like last year, and from memory that last one had a duration of a month, i know it's also possible for it to go away in a few weeks but it's been noted to last multiple months as well, and as a result i can't promise when i'll be able to come back and i can't focus on mafia related stuff with this going on, so i think the fairest course of action is for me to replace out and come back to play mafia games once im fully recovered.

@Mod: Taking the above in mind please replace me out

[Sakura Hana]

Dont worry Dier, making Exp into mislynchable with his insistance for a CC to happen was all part of my plan!

Apologies for the rep out tho, i wish i hadn't fallen sick coz i was very happy with that scum theatre and wanted to ride it to the end

[Sakura Hana]

ftr i still have no clue what Garmr meant with this:

Like when I was jailkeeped night one I didn't have a choose in making the kill I was strongly opposed only a idiot would have the person who the only person who was town read by the majority to make the kill in case of watcher or jailkeeper or some other role that could nab me. But we have this weird voting system that's like lynching aka majority rules gah. Hell I wanted to kill exp night one because I knew he would cast suspicion on me but boon managed to convince the other scum buddy to vote his way which is absolute bs. If I was left to take charge the scum team wouldn't be in such a horrible position but no one listens to garmr.

Don't even get me started on the fake jail keeper claim and nearly outing our other buddy by accident.

But well you can find my opinion on the matter in the Dead PT

[Sakura Hana]

Thanks!