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I played a normal with hiplop and some others yesterday or sunday and as twitch I was able to assassinate the swain a couple of times with executioner's calling.
edit: Eventually though I did start just dying to the swain very quickly while he was super tank.
Last edited by Dwlee99 on Tue May 24, 2016 1:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
In post 121, DeathNote wrote:How do you adc without just getting shit on? Like, any time i play adc I just die sooooo much and if I try to play safe, then I don't ever really contribute to team fights.
In post 121, DeathNote wrote:How do you adc without just getting shit on? Like, any time i play adc I just die sooooo much and if I try to play safe, then I don't ever really contribute to team fights.
It's like as soon as I decide to engage, I die.
Wait until Riot buffs adcs, the role is awful. :3
^ this
Also having just played a custom game with some friends where there was a brand, ahri and full ap sona on the enemy team as tristana, I recommend standing behind tanks. It won't allow most skillshots to hit you. You can also wait for the main damage threats to be cc'd and then walk up to auto them when they are unable to damage you. Another thing that is a bit more difficult is knowing what the cooldowns of the enemies abilities are. For example, when I saw the enemy ahri use their charm I knew I had ~6 seconds where that wasn't a threat and I would be able to get closer to the ahri and auto them. Doing that for every single champion on the enemy team can be a bit difficult, but it is kind of just the state of adcs right now, sadly.
I understand the getting camped thing and it sucks (one game by the 14ish minute mark I had two tf ults bot lane, a tp, a volibear waiting in my bush and multiple other volibear lurking around things) but in that case you need to just farm, not try to.engage and fight (otherwise enemy team just tf ults and tps) but in the case of no tanks: Hopefully you dont have to deal with this but what you can do is try to play a safer adc. For example you could go lucian ezreal or caitlyn. Lucian is super strong rn with his mobility dps and burst damage and a billion other reasons. Anyway, you can stay safe with him using his dashes. Ezreal, long range, short cooldown flash so you can stay sage. Caitlyn, proper trap placement and your range plus net will help you stay safe. I would have to see specific games to give better advice but you should probably just ask gendaberry anyway cause he is much better than me.
In post 135, Dwlee99 wrote:I understand the getting camped thing and it sucks (one game by the 14ish minute mark I had two tf ults bot lane, a tp, a volibear waiting in my bush and multiple other volibear lurking around things) but in that case you need to just farm, not try to.engage and fight (otherwise enemy team just tf ults and tps) but in the case of no tanks: Hopefully you dont have to deal with this but what you can do is try to play a safer adc. For example you could go lucian ezreal or caitlyn. Lucian is super strong rn with his mobility dps and burst damage and a billion other reasons. Anyway, you can stay safe with him using his dashes. Ezreal, long range, short cooldown flash so you can stay sage. Caitlyn, proper trap placement and your range plus net will help you stay safe. I would have to see specific games to give better advice but you should probably just ask gendaberry anyway cause he is much better than me.
Lucian and cait are in my top four adcs (second and fourth). Basically people 4 man you every fight if you play lucian, and if you play caitlyn without a frontline the rest of your team dies immediately before you can deal enough damage and you end up being left with 3 people running you down. Adcs don't have enough kite options at the moment and at my elo most players (including myself to a certain extent) aren't good enough at peeling to keep you safe, and you have to rely on your own kiting mechanics which have to be VERY high level to survive at the moment.
In post 134, Randomnamechange wrote:Jokes on you, no one plays tanks in silver because they think the are going to carry the game.
Till you realize it's absolutely glorious to be the only tank in a game. Just go completely full tank, your base damages are significant vs people who buy full offensive. And then they have to deal with you or get out of your way, and there is nothing that can deal with you because they cannot stand long enough next to you to kill you because your teammates will wreck them. So they have to "focus the carries", but have no dedicated engage, while your team has peel (which is you, the god of the rift). Everybody in silver can group up and push mid (I mean, it's that or baron...) and you can hardly lose that fight.
I'm pretty sure last season my galio winrate was inflated because I got into many a game like that (picking mid then realizing my top was squish and their entire team was squish).
Yeah, I've started doing that on Shen.
In post 140, Dwlee99 wrote:yea malphite mumu and sejuani are the gods of silver, no?
Yes, but no one plays them. They're kind of like unicorns. Very rare but when seen they fucking spear everything.
In post 141, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Dont forgey darius and garen, although they probably go full damage.
Same with amumu and malphite though
Darius you don't see that often, to be honest garen isn't that great and generally gets shut down or ignored.
Top laners I see the most in silver at the moment are champs like Vi, Tryndamere, or Akali.
If youre playing lucian and getting killed at the beginning.of fights youre positioning incorrectly or kiting poorly ngl
In post 135, Dwlee99 wrote:I understand the getting camped thing and it sucks (one game by the 14ish minute mark I had two tf ults bot lane, a tp, a volibear waiting in my bush and multiple other volibear lurking around things) but in that case you need to just farm, not try to.engage and fight (otherwise enemy team just tf ults and tps) but in the case of no tanks: Hopefully you dont have to deal with this but what you can do is try to play a safer adc. For example you could go lucian ezreal or caitlyn. Lucian is super strong rn with his mobility dps and burst damage and a billion other reasons. Anyway, you can stay safe with him using his dashes. Ezreal, long range, short cooldown flash so you can stay sage. Caitlyn, proper trap placement and your range plus net will help you stay safe. I would have to see specific games to give better advice but you should probably just ask gendaberry anyway cause he is much better than me.
Lucian and cait are in my top four adcs (second and fourth). Basically people 4 man you every fight if you play lucian, and if you play caitlyn without a frontline the rest of your team dies immediately before you can deal enough damage and you end up being left with 3 people running you down. Adcs don't have enough kite options at the moment and at my elo most players (including myself to a certain extent) aren't good enough at peeling to keep you safe, and you have to rely on your own kiting mechanics which have to be VERY high level to survive at the moment.
In post 134, Randomnamechange wrote:Jokes on you, no one plays tanks in silver because they think the are going to carry the game.
Till you realize it's absolutely glorious to be the only tank in a game. Just go completely full tank, your base damages are significant vs people who buy full offensive. And then they have to deal with you or get out of your way, and there is nothing that can deal with you because they cannot stand long enough next to you to kill you because your teammates will wreck them. So they have to "focus the carries", but have no dedicated engage, while your team has peel (which is you, the god of the rift). Everybody in silver can group up and push mid (I mean, it's that or baron...) and you can hardly lose that fight.
I'm pretty sure last season my galio winrate was inflated because I got into many a game like that (picking mid then realizing my top was squish and their entire team was squish).
Yeah, I've started doing that on Shen.
In post 140, Dwlee99 wrote:yea malphite mumu and sejuani are the gods of silver, no?
Yes, but no one plays them. They're kind of like unicorns. Very rare but when seen they fucking spear everything.
In post 141, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:Dont forgey darius and garen, although they probably go full damage.
Same with amumu and malphite though
Darius you don't see that often, to be honest garen isn't that great and generally gets shut down or ignored.
Top laners I see the most in silver at the moment are champs like Vi, Tryndamere, or Akali.
If youre playing lucian and getting killed at the beginning.of fights youre positioning incorrectly or kiting poorly ngl
OK. Basically if you go anywhere near the enemy team they immediately dive you. Even in the middle of a teamfight they will stop who they are attacking and dive onto you.
I feel like I'd put adc and support at diamond support and plat adc just because if that lane gets ahead (which it will) a diamond support will make all the plays and the adc will have good enough mechanics to outplay the entire enemy team.
If people have a lot of games on a champ and win about 50.5% of their games the champion probably isnt good (which imo illaoi isnt because kiting for dayz)
In post 344, FakeGod wrote:I want to ask you guys a question. I know people here play in a very wide range of ELO, so I would like you to answer based on your OWN game experience, instead of what you've seen in streams or on the professional stage.
How many games you've played where you felt that the
team composition
was the deciding factor in the outcome of the game?
Everytime our team comp ends up being riven kindred yasuo lucian bard against malphite nautilus annie ezreal soraka
Yea the next game I played as karma top we had a jhin so that was great. He got dumpstered in lane but in team fights lulu and I enabled him and peeled for him so much we were able to get him super fed by the end.
Figured out also that picking karma top with an ezreal is not a good idea.
Please dont
Here are just some notes about adc in general though
Okay, first of all, you should probably not pick an immobile carry early in draft, jinx can manage if your team is ahead and you can get the reset at the beginning of the fight from a distance with your rocket. Ashe it is possible to outplay divers with your ult but this requires good reaction timing as well as good mechanics.
Sometimes caitlyn / ezreal are just the champs you need to pick though unfortunately.
It is the thing that sucks about adc and is why it is for masochists but lel
Overall I would probably just recommend moving to being a midlane main tbh
In post 670, RayFrost wrote:Zhonyas makes it less likely you get murderized after zhonyas than after GA. GA gives you a longer period of invulnerability.
And in the case of an adc with no escapes, you're left in the same awkward position of "everything is standing on top of my body waiting to kill me"
There is no actual viable argument for zhonya's hourglass being a better item than guardian angel on any ADC.
Unless we're talking about hilarity. In which case zhonya's is vastly more hilarious.
In post 673, animorpherv1 wrote:I would argue that zhonyas is decent on Corki, depending on build. The ap is great on him, and 85% of his damage is already magic. As a last item after your adc stuff it works.
In post 677, KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:I'd only consider buying Zhonya's on an AD for cases like Rengar, where he jumps on you, you Zhonya, and he dies instead of you. Other then that it's not worth it
I prefer they, thanks :)
