Mini 517: Tree Stump Mafia: Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

/confirm

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i support that strategy

limiting the scum's nightkill chances will definitely help us.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i actually want everyone to state right now that if they are "pseudolyncheD" they would agree to stump themselves.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote Quagmire

Die Quagmire!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Quagmire,

You should stump yourself if you are "pseudolynched" because the alternative would be for us to lynch you and then the mafia will get a nightkill in.

If you are protown, it would be better for you to stump yourself rather than for us to actually lynch you because that would deny the mafia a nightkill oppurtunity.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm in favor of killing him now.

He's just going to be a impediment to us if he is going to be playing that way.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I firmly believe in my bones that every townie should stump himself as an alternative to being lynched because it will limit the number of NK possibilities for the Mafia.

If anyone wants to dispute that, I would like them to speak up and tell me exactly why I am wrong about that.

If not, I would like to use the threat of lynch to force each and every player to promise to "stump themselves" if they are indeed pseudo-lynched in order to limit the number of nightkill attempts the mafia will be given.

Since Quagmire has said that he will not stump himself regardless, he is deviating from the optimal protown strategy, and there is no question in my mind that we should eliminate him earlier rather than later.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how do you know Quagmire is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The higher chance he is town then he is mafia thing is true for every player.

What the heck do you mean pretty equal chance he is power role town and vanilla town?

We don't have any power roles.

My point is that every player has the same probability of being scum in my eyes(except for me because I know I am town).

However, 1 of those players has stated clearly that he will choose to deviate from what I believe is the optimal protown playing strategy(which is to stump if you are pseudolynched).

It's my belief that punishing deviation from the best protown strategy will lead to less deviation from the best protown strategy and result in a better chance for the town to win.

My point is that my options are between lynching Quagmire and lynching any other random possibly protown player, I would choose to lynch Quagmire because that would decrease the number of deviators from what I believe the best protown strategy should be.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1) i'm a townsperson and you guys lynch me: then i'm doing the town a minor inservice by allowing a nightkill. OOH! it's not like this game isn't broken in the town's favor anyway as it is

2) i'm mafia and you guys lynch me: then i'm doing the right thing right now, and the town is one-up

3) i'm a townsperson and i stump: then i'm doing the right thing by implementing a part of gameplay that makes this game pretty unbalanced. also, i die, meaning that if the townspeople win then i don't really win because i'm dead

4) if i'm mafia and i stump: then i just fucked the mafia up by fucking over a nightkill and killing myself.

1)This game is not broken in the town's favor, your job as a townie if you are one is to make it as likely as possible that the town wins, it is not to "balance" the setup towards the scum because of whatever perception you may have towards the town's "overpoweredness"

2)If you're mafia, you are not doing the right thing because you are drawing attention to yourself and putting the mafia in a hole early. If you are mafia then you have been a detriment to your team and this game.

3) Pretty unbalanced? Your job as a townsperson if you are one is to do the best you can to win for the town, not to use your opinion of what the game "should be" to "balance" it the way you want. It is not up to you to redefine your win condition as a townie if you are a townie.

4) If you're mafia, you're "fucking the mafia up" right now by drawing all the attention on yourself. The best play for the mafia is to say that they will stump and then when the time comes, basically refuse to. By saying outright that you will choose to deviate from the best protown strategy, you are doing your mafia team an INCREDIBLE DISSERVICE IF YOU ARE MAFIA. You are basically putting a giant "LYNCH ME" sign on your back.

Frankly speaking, you are doing your side a tremendous disservice regardless of which team you happen to be on. The later you make it into the game, the more your distraction will be a detriment to the town and the more powerful your vote will be.

I don't like the idea of a vote being in the hands of a player who is going to play halfassed like this, and I'll do my best to get rid of him early rather than to have him screw us up late.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

When you say they seem protown to you Bapa.

What precisely are the odds that you are putting on them being protown?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bapa.

Why do you think we should look at other people?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bah

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I for one am shocked that either MoS or Adele would kill poor me.

Heartbroken really.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I only thought it was mith because I can't imagine somebody deciding to kill me over mith when he is such a vastly superior player.

sorry mithy.

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