Mini 517: Tree Stump Mafia: Game Over

[Korlash]

Ditto...

[Korlash]

Well I for one would gladly stump myself instead of being lynched. (I would love not being able to be NKed! )

My biggest issue with this plan is that we need to set some limit to the number of stumps allowed. I mean if 5 townies stump themselves day one we pretty much have a lylo situation right there. and if 6 townies stump we lose.

So I was thinking 2-3 stumps max day one with a different standard day 2,3,4, etc...

[Korlash]

Vote: Korlash

Neither have something good nor something bad happen to you Quagmire!

[Korlash]

Well personally I have mixed feelings. I agree that he woudl probably know if he was mafia because of the mafia can talk to each other before the game thing. But that does not mean he doesn't know he is mafia and still chooses to ply this way. So for that I don't want to fully jump onto him as a candidate.

On the other hand Adele is not the play today so he loses points for lying. I see the point of losing him today instead of a more helpful townie. The big point there is, we still have a higher chance of losing two townies and then beginning day 2 without anything to go on for anyone else. So it is still a bad move to lynch him on page 3. no matter how bad he is playing.

So FoS:

d3sisted, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mastermind of Sin, and Adele

While I do not hold it against you for wanting him dead (I admit I do too) I don't like how quick you want to kill someone off. Especially a person who has said he will not stump.

[Korlash]

I'm not against wanting an anti-ton person dead, I'm against wanting anyone dead on page 3.

[Korlash]

I'm not against wanting an anti-ton person dead, I'm against wanting anyone dead on page 3.

It is never too soon to find scum.

How did you get find scum from what I said? In fact, a 3 page day is in no way helping to find scum.. in fact it is helping to not find scum at all!

FoS: MoS...

And I am voting for Korlash because he is very suspicious! He keeps stealing my stuff, the jerk...

[Korlash]

And I don't... I am beginning to feel this game is not going to be fun in anyway. We will sit here for a while arguing about how it's best to kill someone like Quagmire then let him live, while I will argue it's better to wait until a good 8 pages or so has gone by before doing that, then you will come back "I don;t want to put up with 8 pages of his crap!", and he will chime in "Vote adele vote adele blah blah blah" and so on and so forth...

Mod, is it at all possible to replace Quagmire? You can clearly see he is not going to actually play the game and I see no point in continuing a game with players like that.

[Korlash]

No no no no no.. you misunderstand me...

If you lynch Quagmire now we start day two off just as day one started with three people (most likely dead) and out of those at least one of them will be a towny, with the other two as very likely townie. So saying its ok to begin day two with every single person unknown means you don't have the town's best interests in mind MoS. You say you found a scum? Good, go find another one moron.

[Korlash]

So in other words.. you want to limit the NKings... yet... want to start the game off with two town dead anyways, which means less stumps, which means.. your going against your own plan, which means... Your kinda full of BS I think.

I agree with you that Quagmire is a hindrance who should be dealt with (Eventually) given time he may damage himself more, or even start playing who knows, I also agree we should stump instead of lynch.

So, heres the deal, keep your vote on Quagmire. If other townies feel he needs to go, they can lynch him. I, and I hope you, will use this time to scum hunt and gain some info we can use day two.

[Korlash]

I don't... But I know there is a higher chance he is town then he is mafia. And a pretty equal chance he is power role town and vanilla town. But you have made it clear you do not care if he is town or mafia, you just want him dead. So why do you suddenly care if he is town?

[Korlash]

We don't have any power roles.

Wow... i totally got the Trimvetra que and this game mixed up somehow... Right... Scratch that one off... >.> <.<

Do you mean, in general? Because when we play the game we intuitively use bayesian probabilities to adjust the likelihood up or down. As in: given that X is acting so scummy, he's more probably scum.

And while this is true, the only real lynch worthy evidence against him would be trying to entice a lynch with no basis. yet the only reasons I tend to see people actually stating is him not looking at his role. Neither of these, or even both together, should call for a lynch this early. (Page three) I just think, as bad a player he is this game, the rest of you seem to be just as equally bad... Although I do admit this game has special circumstances...

In short, I firmly believe in the phrase "Short days are bad for town" and by going after Quagmire with the intent of a lynch, means you are going against that.

[Korlash]

well I guess you cannot find him scummy or... the opposite of scummy. What woudl that be? Towny? Pro-Town? Not scummy? Anyways, Seems it would in a sense be neither. As he said so himself, he wanted to look at the game in a neutral way. I admit it's still a poor basis fro a lynch but it is in no way a benefit for the town. Maybe for him personally as to his outlook, but to us it is just a hindrance and annoying.

[Korlash]

until i've become a "normal" player.

So what, your some sort of special player who should be allowed to live today even though you are refusing to do either of the two things the town is asking you to? I mean I can be stubborn myself, but what your doing is just plain stupid. How hard is it to see your "strategy" is not benefiting the town in anyway.

Also how is this buying time? I mean we are pushing for a lynch in a game that is specifically made to keep day one going. It's kinda the opposite of buying time!

[Korlash]

Yeah go ahead and stump. I would not be surprised if you got lynched... a little annoyed yes... But not surprised at all...

[Korlash]

You noticed that too did you? [/sarcasm]

[Korlash]

I'm already bored of this game... And I see no reason to not stump

whether you have looked at your role pm or not.

Worst case scenario I am wrong and tomorrow I will have to stump. Big deal.

Unvote:, Vote: Quagmire

I am not convinced he is mafia, but I am convinced leaving him alive will not help us find the real scum. So I am willing to sacrifice two townies so that we can all stop being retarded and actually play tomorrow...

[Korlash]

Ok seeing as how I know it is coming...

Vote: Korlash

His "hammer post" seems to indicate to me that he in fact knew Quagmire was scum and was trying to make himself look like the hero day 2!

[Korlash]

Ok seeing as how I know it is coming...

Vote: Korlash

His "hammer post" seems to indicate to me that he in fact knew Quagmire was scum and was trying to make himself look like the hero day 2!

Please I still hold to my "I would rather stump today then have yesterday keep going what with how retarded every single person in this thread is."

Plain and simple, we got F***ing lucky... I won't deny that. I am still firmly against what just happened, so all of you stop being F***ing retards and play this God Damn game right.

I'm not going to defend my hammer because it was a plain dumb move. I only did it because I was pissed at all of you.

I feel like a reread is in order, I am going to focus my main attack on those who supported Quag first. I will move on to those who started that unnecessary lynch a bit later in the week. As far as I see it whether you were on his wagon or not it doesn't prove anything. The wagon was started and ended for a very shitty reason so everyone on it has just as much chance of being scum trying to distance.

JDodge and scotmany12 are my two top picks at this moment. I'll make my case in the morning. Until then my vote stands because I feel I deserved to be stumped for being such a dumb ass town and hammering that wagon. Fucking idiot Quag... Fucking lucky town I say...

I agree that Korlash's hammer is odd, but I'm not entirely sold on his being scum yet.

Do you honestly think a scum would be that stupid... wait... This is the game with Quagmire in it.. never mind... Ok so another angle... Do you honestly think I am as stupid as Quagmire? Show me one good reason why any scum would pull such an obviously suspicious hammer before you even think about using this as a case against me. (that last statement was directed at everyone, not you JD. I do not feel this was an attack on me. In fact, Because you are one of my top picks, I feel you are trying to buddy up to me because you know I am not going to have a lot of friends today. Thanks for the support, but stop it. Thanks.)

[Korlash]

Korlash, do you

really

think Quag didn't look at his role pm? If so, I have this bridge I'd like to sell you.

And where did I say that? I just think lynch someone on the basis of them not looking a their role is kinda dumb.

[Korlash]

Still going to work up a case here sometime I promise. For now a quick check in.. and address the only real issues involving me.. Lets see... Surprising how most people just ignore my post... Seems odd...

Suggest that if it's all that painful for you, you request replacement rather than self-destruct and harm your side.
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You're against what you just did?
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For what? Playing "retardedly"? I didn't think a whole lot of your play yesterday, actually; you flip-flopped a lot, much like you're doing now.
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That's your defence? That's practically the definition of one of the forms of wifom.
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That argument it, to my view, so unsound that there was no use in posting it at all.

More or less... 1) I see no reason to replace out of a very heavily towny run game just because I don't like the people in it. I want a win in my column here. And this game has the odds for that happening. To me a simple blow to "my side" seemed fair considering half of you would get it through your skulls to stop being stupid.
2) Yeah... Can you not see that in my post where I.. I don't know.. Voted myself because of what I just did. Your a real smart one aren't you...
3) Define and give examples of "Flip-Flopped." The only thing I would classify as "Flip-Flopping" was my actual vote on Quag. Other then that I feel I have done no "flip-flopping" at all.
4) Already told you I will not defend what I did... Move on or vote me your choice.
5) It made me feel better... Worst case scenario I have to stump and big deal to that... We are already one up... woo...

Korlash: Didn't want to lynch quag because quag wouldn't stump, so there'd be a night (also, didn't want a quicklynch). Requested replace on quag ("possibly trying to swap in a bad partner for a good one?" lol). Eventually just got sick of him. Seemed to be a lot of contradictions, and flip-flopping.

Yeah I would definitely want a better partner if I ever got stuck with him thats for sure =D

But seriously can you define and point out my "a lot." please. I see one... that is not a lot...

Adele 0%. (But that last one's just my opinion )

Shouldn't it be a "fact" not opinion if you have the Role PM?

[Korlash]

See, that's just the thing. If you believed he *had* looked at his role, that means he is scum. Therefore, he should be lynched. By saying that you think it's dumb to lynch someone for not looking at their role, you are saying you believed he had not looked at his role.

A) looking at his role does not mean he is scum... The way he was acting was weird yes... Suspicious yes... Proof of scum... In retrospect yes... but at the time I ranked this at no...

B) My feelings on his role pm read/not read in no way effected my opinion of lynching him based on whether or not he admits to looking at his pm... I mean... Come on... The only upside I saw to your guy's argument was the fact he refused to stump. If not for that I don't think I could have brought myself to hammer him...

[Korlash]

Dude... Even I am waiting until I get to L-2 or something... You need like 6 people to support "Your lynch" not the... what... 3-4 you had...

[Korlash]

Also how many stumps can we have before it turns to LYLO? 3 more? Hmm... 12 players.. minus 3... thats 9... 2 mafia... 7 townies... nope... 3 stumps loses the game... so only two more stumps... huh... Did I count right?

[Korlash]

Wow... That was... *shakes head* man that was funny...

[Korlash]

no, I see what you did there - you treated the "7 townies" as "7 man, 2 scum"; like a newbie (sans power roles). Here's how it is, assuming all townies stump and no scum do. If 5 more townies stump before any more scum die, we lose. Interestingly, we don't get a softer safety net once one scum dies, since that gain is mitigated by an NK. For example, if we stump 3 townies then catch scum, D3 will open with 1 scum and 3 town; usually classic nolynch debate territory but because of the nature of this game, we'll have 2 shots, so at least a 50-50 chance.

No I totally for some reason thought 4 town and 2 mafia was a win for them... Man I am stupid aren't I? At least sometimes.. >.> <.<

Ok with 5 stumps left I am not as worried as I was before if I am forced to stump.. whew! Man I wondered why the numbers didn't add up!

[quote="Someone.. I forget who..." The fact that both of them have been fairly active posters, and yet not done much scumhunting at all concerns me greatly.

well I am going to get my stuff up as soon as I can find time.. Hopefully tomorrow seeing as how I get the weekend off. I am very concerned with having to go back and wade through all that crap from yesterday just to point out my case.. But it is coming... But yeah, I know I am kinda useless so far this game... Gimmie time..

[Korlash]

Dangit... Fixed:

no, I see what you did there - you treated the "7 townies" as "7 man, 2 scum"; like a newbie (sans power roles). Here's how it is, assuming all townies stump and no scum do. If 5 more townies stump before any more scum die, we lose. Interestingly, we don't get a softer safety net once one scum dies, since that gain is mitigated by an NK. For example, if we stump 3 townies then catch scum, D3 will open with 1 scum and 3 town; usually classic nolynch debate territory but because of the nature of this game, we'll have 2 shots, so at least a 50-50 chance.

No I totally for some reason thought 4 town and 2 mafia was a win for them... Man I am stupid aren't I? At least sometimes.. >.> <.<

Ok with 5 stumps left I am not as worried as I was before if I am forced to stump.. whew! Man I wondered why the numbers didn't add up!

The fact that both of them have been fairly active posters, and yet not done much scumhunting at all concerns me greatly.

well I am going to get my stuff up as soon as I can find time.. Hopefully tomorrow seeing as how I get the weekend off. I am very concerned with having to go back and wade through all that crap from yesterday just to point out my case.. But it is coming... But yeah, I know I am kinda useless so far this game... Gimmie time..

[Korlash]

Vote: Korlash for now. I want to see how he reacts, and the hammer/self-vote combo meal is upsetting the gut.

How do you think I will react? I mean it's one vote... Nothing to bat an eyelash at...

MMM... hammer/self vote combo meal... do we get fries or a baked potato with it? Cause perhaps that is what is upsetting your gut... Bad fast food... Icky!

On that note I finally have a day off so I will reread (Sighs) the thread and see where I stand on things... Not looking forward to it... but alas... it must be done...

Seriously what size drink? Can you super size it? How much does it cost? shake or soda only???

McMafias! We put the Paranoia in your Diarrhea! =D

[Korlash]

Alright I have finally finished... In an effort to appear less cluttered i will post a player by player rendering in the order I find them most scummy... I will try to organize the posts accordingly but I do feel i may have a few mistakes. I will do my best to make sure every quote is right and make sure they are in an ok order...

Also I will right now give you my scum list:

1) Scotmany- 100% sure is scum.
2) JDodge- 99% sure is scum
3) MoS& Adele- only scum if JD and Scot both turn out town, very unlikely
4) Desisted- Also very unlikely but I cannot overlook the new stuff that has been said.
5) Mith- Mostly because Blapa was a bit... suspicious...

The rest I more or less think are townishy...

Vote:Scotmany

my case against him is next.. so expect it in about 5 min.. I just need to organize my notes into one post...

[Korlash]

Scotmany:

Post 12:

hey jdodge, scotmany:

instead of bandwagoning and trying to lynch mos, do you want to go for adele instead? she's really stupid and recent events show that she would be just as worthwile a "principle lynching" as mos...

p.s. i have not looked at my role, nor do i plan to throughout the course of this game

Clearly this post could be a big deal. Seeing as how he turned out scum this could be him *stupidly and not so subtly* talking to his buddies. While I find it very unlikely he would do that, you get into a WIFOM that that would be what he wanted us to think! He could also be Distancing himself from both MoS and Adele here. Overall, I use this post to narrow down my suspect ranges. Jdodge, Scotmany, Adele, and Mos. Not a very solid case, but definitely a starting point.

Post 28:

Vote: adele

No reasons, chalk it up to a random vote if you will but either way you look at it he did exactly what Quag told him too.

Post 101:

But turning that on me is not the way to go. I actually think that you are being opportunistic at my mistake.

QFT… Opportunistic can be turned around too much… it is a very flimsy piece of evidence or reason to vote…

Post 104:

And now you are trying to say you found him scummy the whole time? Judging by my posts, you seem to believe that quag never looked at his pm. THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU FIND HIM SCUMMY AT ALL? How do you judge his actions as scummy if you believe that he doesn't even know what his role is?

He never said “the whole time.” This is the second time you are more or less putting words in his mouth to further your case… Too much of that and yoru case will more or less fall apart in my eyes… Secondly, not looking at his post makes him “Not town” and “Not scum” both at one… and anyone “not town” should be killed immediately. End of story… case closed! (One truth prevails… XD)


Post 110:

Yet you were still advocating his lynch before hand. You can't change that. And then when I question on it, you say you found him scummy. I already pointed out how that contradicts you. In reality, you could not find him scummy, as you believed he never looked at his role. Thus you wanted to lynch a neutral basically.

And whenever scum slip off, they call it a mistake. So yeah, you can call it a mistake all you like. Thats not going to change my opinion.

Bapa Bail, I am a little confused. I don't quite understand how my attack is unwarranted. I saw a slip up, and I'm going with it. I'm trying to hunt scum, how is that unwarranted?

Whenever a town makes a mistake they too call it a mistake… I agree that automatically accepting what everyone says as the truth can hurt, but the same can be said for totally disregarding it too. Also isn’t advocating his lynch and finding him scummy both the exact thing? How is that a contradiction? Secondly, wanting to lynch a neutral is the same as wanting to lynch a “Not town.” Keep arguing neutrality is a safety zone and it will come back and bite you.


Post 114:

Yeah but I'm not really twisting his words. It clearly looked like he believed quag to not have looked at his role. And now he is trying to say what he did before does not matter at all. He wanted to lynch a neutral. That was his only reasoning.

Also, jdodge always does this. If you think its enough, then that is fine, but in a recent game he was like this during day 1 and he turned out to be the doc.

Also, can you answer my question?

As much as I like metaing, unless the game you mentioned involved town suicide and limited nights it is unhelpful… And again I say, lynching a neutral is the same as lynching a “Not town.” Or a third party if you will… They are not pro town and thus are a very good lynch candidate…

Post 117:

Not buying it silver. And you have still yet to explain how you considered him scummy when you believed that he never looked at his role.

And you have yet to explain why it matters so much… The way you are defending him either means you believe him to be town enough to protect him, or you have a grudge against Silver. Seeing as how both of them have been proven town/scum no matter which choice I pick, you end up scum… So… Explain why he is worth defending if you have no proof he is town…

Post 122+123

You called him scummy. How do you find someone scummy when you believe that they have never looked at there role? Also, I have yet to see you bring up a case against me and jdodge. Seemed like you were blindly calling us scum so that you can call quag scummy.
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Vote: Quagmire
I can't take it anymore. I'd rather kill you now then have to deal with your horrible play. It's not just that you are acting scummy, you are just playing horribly. I would rather someone inactive than someone who refuses to play correctly.

There you go. You said he was acting scummy right there.

Seriously you sound like a broken record… And a very anti-town record at that… Glad it has been broken… scum records usually suck… >.> <.< (Got sidetracked here… )

He never said he didn’t think Quag was scum… Stop trying to make it seem like he did… Stop trying to “create” evidence against him. And stop assuming Quag is town. You claimed you believed him to have looked at his PM, yet you do not find the fact he is lying to be scummy at all? Hello? Are you a dumb town, or a stupid scum? Either way I hope you die today…

Post 127:

Because you looked opportunistic to me silver. You didn't provide any reasoning of you own, but of others. And both of those that you mention make you scummy. First you want to lynch someone basely on the fact that they "aren't playing the game"(in your words). Then when I bring it up against you, you say you found him scummy. Too bad you already admitted to believing quag. Then you try to say that me and jdodge are scum for defending him.

If quag ever turns up scum, then you have a case, but until then, you really don't.

*Smiles*


Post 152:

I already told you silver. It was predetermined. I never intended for it to get adele lynched. It was a joke. And I am still happy with my vote.

I can understand why you people are disappointed with quag, but you all seem to believe that he is lying. Or at least some of you do. I think you guys are just casting your votes blindly. If quag does not know his role, then we should ignore him for today. Starting the next day we can focus on him. I also personally do not see scum trying to pull what he is doing. I believe that this is a waste of a lynch.

Probably one of the most scummy posts I have read this game…

First off: Predetermined, mafia talk before game starts, Quag said to vote Adele… Not adding up good for you…

Scond: You too have admitted you thought he was lying… see below:

Post 116:

Why, do you believe he looked at his role?

Post 118:

Yes I do, and judging by your posts, you did to.

Third: You say we should ignore him for today… Thus you only want us to look at him after we have entered and passed a night phase.. and thus you are clearly against the stump to prevent night thing…

Fourth: By doing the above, you also want to get as many townies to stump as possible before focusing on real scum.

Fifth: Apparently Scum can and will do this. And as his partner you will die as well.


Post 155:

I find myself agreeing with Jdodge on this, more so with Max than with d3sisted.

I find you agreeing with him a lot actually… (Ok not literally agreeing a lot.. but more or less You two share similar views most of the time…)


Post 185:

You just admitted to hammering someone who you don't believe to be mafia. Way to go.

Pre-emptive strike to use against me tomorrow? Trying to set me up as the Scapegoat? Could explain why I was left alive… Then again.. with 9 people to choose… I didn’t have that great a chance anyways…


Post 206:

No Adele, I was not using wifom. I was expressing my opinion. I did not see any scum trying to pull what quag did, and I still don't. Korlash used wifom, I did not. You should not be focusing on me and jdodge, but on the ones who have been extremely oppurtunistic, such as desisted, sp, and max, as well as korlash, who basically admitted to lynching someone he did not think was scum.

I'm going to Vote: d3sisted. His first post today is him voting for jdodge and fosing me. He doesn't even consider anything else, but attacks the two people who were against the quag lynch(I still am, town got lucky). He did not do much day 1, and due to the fact he didn't even seem to consider any other possibilities than me and jdodge being scum, I find him one of, if not the most, scummiest people right now.

… Second most scummy post from you… Of course we should attack the people who defended quag you nut… Do you not get the idea of a partnership? And Opportunism? Like how you and JD are both oprotunising the fact that D3sisted went after you? And how you are opprotunising Quag’s lynch as a reason to focus on the real town and not you two scum? Stop using OPPROTUNITY AS A REASON FOR A VOTE/LYNCH! IT IS NOT REAL EVIDENCE! EVER!!!!!

Post 208:

That's your only defense? To call it an OMGUS when it clearly isn't? Alright then, you just made me pretty sure that you are scum.

It more or less is… Kinda, OMGUS cause you killed my partner! That sort of thing. You know how scum are! (Well I don’t but I’m sure you do )


Post 214:

You admitted to believing him yesterday silver. What made you change from believing quag did not look at his role pm to being split down the middle?

Ok you “semi-attacked” him yesterday for “Not believing he checked his role” and here you say he did believe it… which is it?


Post 234:

I implore the town to seriously consider the possibility that scotmany and/or JDodge are scum. Reasons:
1. Initial action w/ Quag
2. NK choice being Pooky who singled them out
3. Focusing on an easy lynch for both days (me)
4. General distancing of questions (as Adele said)
If you want quotes, ask and you will receive.

Yeah quotes would be nice. To bad there isn't really any quotes.

1. If you are talking about the early bw on adele, ever heard of joke voting? And if this is the case, why are you not singling out mith, because bp also was on that bandwagon.
2. Too bad pooky did not mention either one of me or jdodge at all.
3. Sorry that your play was scummy. Also, if you noticed I went after desisted first today besides you.
4. Where? Adele said quag was distancing from questions, not us.

Make sure you get your facts right before you bring up an attack against someone.

1) Probably more of the fact you two defended him a lot.
2) No shit… Perfect reason to kill him off. (Good player, very pro town, does nto implicate you. Good job pointing that one out. More or less shows you already knew it and were ready to make it a case to not come after you.)
3) Doesn’t change the fact you still go after him and yet clearly miss all of JD’s scummy acts… No offense but I cannot see why the two of you have not considered each other… only further makes me feel yoru partners.
4) Doesn’t change the fact I have yet to see you two come up with any really good reasons/answers to any questions you may or may not have been asked. And before we delve to far into what I mean by that I will tell you. I mean you give no INITIAL content for anything you do. You just seem to vote, or attack people for no reasons and only give them if asked specifically.

Make sure you get actual facts before you attack anyone…

Post 236:

I already told you I did not believe scum would do what he did. This is not wifom, this is my opinion. Secondly, it is something I would not put pass quag. I still believe that he did not look at his role pm.

CPONTRADICTION to your post 118! Liar, hypocrite, and scum. Die Die Die! Burn in hell and Die! Etc…etc…etc… You had better be today’s lynch or stump or I will be very pissed off at this town (AGAIN??? How many times can I get pissed off at the same town? o.O )


Post 260:

I'm pretty confident in desisted being scum. I would be voting for him even if jdodge was not.(I was the first to do so before silver stumped himself). He comes right out today and votes for jdodge without even considering anything, then when I vote for him he calls it an omgus. He is just going for the easy lynch. He did that yesterday, and he is trying to do that today with jdodge.

You think JD is the easy lynch? This is the first time you have ever mentioned that… Also Quag was not an “easy lynch” in yoru mind yesterday was he. Another BS case against D3sisted. You keep digging that hole your in deeper and deeper don’t you scum.

Post 264:

Also, he lurked through most of day 1. When questioned about it, he said he has pushed for the lynch of quag the whole day, when he only made about 5 posts. I do not see him providing any substantial information. He is not only opportunistic, but unhelpful as well.

Lurking is a very overused term… And stooping to using that as your main claim against him seems… Well BS…

Post 269:

Nice omgus. You are not confirmed town. Silver was scummy as hell. Adele is not confirmed town. Um, me, quag, and jdodge decided this before the game even started. If you are going to use this against me, you should seriously reconsider what is viable evidence.

… are you shitting me? He just admitted to confirming things with a known scum and his partner BEFORE THE DAY STARTED! HELLO??!?!?!?!?! THAT IS WHAT MAFIA DID BEFORE THE GAME STARTED! TALKED TO EACH OTHER! HOW IS HE NOT LYNCHED YET?

Same post:

You rode this bandwagon.

Uh.. he like unvoted… then revoted.. so he did not ride anything.. he was more or less iffy…

Same Post:

You question me for scumhunting? I was scumhunting, just look at me question silver. And if you are going to say that me thinking silver was scum, then you also have to look at jdodge and mith. I don't see any scumhunting from you. You let others question quag. I actually don't recall you once posing a question to quag. You might have been the first on the wagon, but you did not push it, or hunt for scum at all.

As much as I hate to agree with a known scum I have to say I do here. D3sisted has been of no help this game other then to be an additional vote to help lynch the scum. I wish he would be a bit more helpful occasionally and not just once or twice the entire game…


Post 273:

Mith-No. I do not think anyone is innocent at this point. But I am pretty sure that desisted is scum.

Interesting.. While you two seem to agree on everything almost… You still feel he is not innocent.. while you never seem to comment on anything he says… interesting…

Post 282:

EBWOP: I also find it ridiculous that because I didn't think you were a confused townie you think I am scum. When I see someone scummy, unless I can meta them, then I assume that they are scummy, not that they are a confused member of the town. Maybe if we played before, and you played like this before, and were a townie, then I would consider it. But unless that happens, I'm going to attack someone who I think is scummy, instead of letting them off the hook.

I doubt you can meta anyone this game unless you find another game so “town oriented”… This game seems unique in that fact.. But I have not been around this site that long… I think you need a game that lets the town keep nights to minimum, game without power roles, and game where scum are at such a huge disadvantage to correctly meta anyone here…


Ok I pretty much have a huge long list on word in order of post count so I may have missed something... that is more or less everything I have gathered on scot.. Enough I feel to outline my vote on him... JD's list up soon...

Oh damn.. I have to fix every single dang post because the word " marks are different from the ones used int he quotes.. *sigh* this adds another 30 min of work... Ok not that much.. but a lot more work at least.. anyways... On to JD...

[Korlash]

JDodge:

Post 12:

hey jdodge, scotmany:

instead of bandwagoning and trying to lynch mos, do you want to go for adele instead? she's really stupid and recent events show that she would be just as worthwile a "principle lynching" as mos...

p.s. i have not looked at my role, nor do i plan to throughout the course of this game

Clearly this post could be a big deal. Seeing as how he turned out scum this could be him *stupidly and not so subtly* talking to his buddies. While I find it very unlikely he would do that, you get into a WIFOM that that would be what he wanted us to think! He could also be Distancing himself from both MoS and Adele here. Overall, I use this post to narrow down my suspect ranges. Jdodge, Scotmany, Adele, and Mos. Not a very solid case, but definitely a starting point.


Post 33:

vote: Adele

No reasons, chalk it up to a random vote if you will but either way you look at it he did exactly what Quag told him too.


Post 70:

Hi scum

Unvote, vote: SilverPhoenix

In response to Silver’s post:
“I can't take it anymore. I'd rather kill you now then have to deal with your horrible play. It's not just that you are acting scummy, you are just playing horribly. I would rather someone inactive than someone who refuses to play correctly.”

Seeing as how I felt the same way when I voted him I cannot justify this vote… However I like his unvote from Adele… so.. half and half.. He gave no real reasons though… So… slightly more on the scum side I think…

Post 86:

You assume I have nothing. I actually find it rather odd that you're trying to cast my vote off as nothing, and saying that everyone else should do the same.

Vote: Quagmire
I can't take it anymore. I'd rather kill you now then have to deal with your horrible play. It's not just that you are acting scummy, you are just playing horribly. I would rather someone inactive than someone who refuses to play correctly.

Here you essentially say that you just want him lynched regardless of his alignment; how is that in any way good for the town?

A) It gets rid of a person creating unneeded hinderances to the town.
B) He is more or less the most obviously suspicious person at the time
C) He keeps disobeying orders that he is given

by a majority of the town

D) It is a lot better then wanting someone lynched on a basis of nothing.. which is about all you have had this entire game… (So far XD)

Same Post:

I am mainly annoyed by telling everyone who to vote for. You set your target as Adele since before the game even started, and then you use OMGUS for your target tomorrow. Just horrible.....

And here you assume OMGUS and not the same reasoning behind the votes for Adele. Guess which would probably seem scummier to people?

You had no reason to vote Adele… so this makes no sense whatsoever… stop replying with nothing and get to a point scum…

Same post:

Is playing unseriously a scumtell?

No, but staying in “early random mode” long after everyone else has moved on makes you seem either moronic or scummy. Neither of which will keep you alive for long.

Post 90:

If a scum is playing town he must never be lynched.

Your willingness to off someone simply for playing neutral is rather odd. Being unreadable =/= being scum.

If a scum is playing town he should be lynched ASAP! Because if he continues to look protown for too long people may be less inclined to lynch him later. For this reason, the longer a “town looking” scum stays alive, the harder it gets to kill him.

And no one should play neutral. You should in fact PLAY TOWN no matter what side you are on. (see above point) Both town and mafia players alike benefit from appearing “Pro-town” and so to play neutral is idiotic. So being unreadable = being dangerous. And being dangerous and NOT STUMPING = scum. As proven already. Or that’s my take on it. You being scum of course makes you semi biased right? :p

Same post:

Is playing unseriously a scumtell?

Look, you guys seemed to obviously have some prior discussion before this game started about who to target, since Quagmire told you and scotmany to vote for Adele and you guys did obediently.

And now you are defending someone whose alignment you don't even know? That seems like scum trying to shut up a dumb-ass scum partner to me.

Everyone, please read the bolded part

very carefully

. Can you see what I see?

No what do you see? Seriously I stared at it for like 3 minutes and cannot see what yoru talking about.. or more… not talking about… STOP IT! I would not be surprised if I hammered you for the exact same reasons I did Quag.. You annoy, confuse, and piss me off at the same time…

Post 91: ~FIXED~

So, if a scum is playing town he must never be lynched?

now that that's fixed

So now you are trying to put words in Silver’s mouth? Either way I look at it is still seems scum… Trying to fix something you knew you slipped up on doesn’t change the fact you said it. Plus fixing it into something worse just… you know… Tips the scales further right?

Post 101:

But turning that on me is not the way to go. I actually think that you are being opportunistic at my mistake.

QFT… Opportunistic can be turned around too much… it is a very flimsy piece of evidence or reason to vote…

Post 105:

go scot go

Yeah… It is so pro-town to tell someone to keep up the blatant lies and false evidence against a towny…

Post 154:

This Quagwagon reeks of opportunism from some of its less vocal members like d3sisted and Max.

You could argue that you jumping on their “Less vocalness” as opportunism too. You could argue Me attacking you for this is Opportunism. You could argue going outside and getting a tan to be opportunism. You could argue any dang thing in mafia as opportunism. It is a flimsy, weak, and a last ditch effort for you to save your partner that failed.


Post 169:

i find it ironic how in trying to prevent unnecessary deaths we're rushing someone to the gallows

Hate to say it but I totally agreed with you here… Still… The mere fact we do have to lynch the scum means we do HAVE to come to a lynch at some point….


Post 172:

It's hypocritical. Let's prevent people from refusing to prevent a lynch by lynching them!

And he does! Kinda badly… Yeah… more or less… I think he said “It’s hypocritical to lynch a scum for being anti-town!” Nice… Chalk all this up to another scum point towards you…

Post 174:

Personally I suggest we actually scumhunt for a while and find an alternative to Quag - for now. We can always come back to Quag tomorrow or later today if nothing else pans out.

The whole case on Quag is that he's supposedly scum for not wanting to stump, when (from his position, having not opened his role PM yet) is indeed the second most optimal play besides opening your role PM when you are near lynch to see whether you should stump or not. Furthermore, you have no real basis to say he is scum - just basis to call for his head. I see no point to lynching someone without any reason to think said person is scum since it's contrary to the town goal of eliminating mislynches.

You keep trying to get us off of Quag (Who is now proven scum) and so I only see you as his partner. Plain and simple… You should probably stump now to prevent all the time we will waste of our lives lynching you…

Pot 180:

Unvote, vote: d3sisted

The Quagmire wagon is driven by two things IMO - a so-called "policy lynch" which is hypocritical but not necessarily scummy, and the opportunists like d3sisted and Max who just want a lynch so they can make use of one of their very few possible nightkill attempts. I'm willing to bet SP is the third scum, too, but the case on d3sisted compels me.

Because you and Scot tend to agree on most things I almost want to say you are contradicting Him here! He clearly said D3sisted is not opportunistic because he voted first… Yet here you use that as your only reason. I think you just don’t want the lynch because you do not want to lose yoru scum partner day one! Sad day for you scum isn’t it… (Literally XD)

Post 182:

I think the opportunist here is you, JDodge.
The only reason you would be so sure that Quagmire is town, is if you're scum. Building upon that, you're making this pre-emptive strike so as to setup tomorrow's mislynch after this one goes down.

No, I'm not sure that he's town or scum. I'm sure that there is no actual suspicion of Quagmire being scum aside from the people who now think that he has read his role PM, which I have yet to see any evidence substantiating. And I think you believe the same thing and are trying to push the lynch while staying as below-the-radar as possible.

He is refusing to lynch. So there is actual suspicion he is scum. Missing such a big point is kinda hard for me to ignore here… All I see is you trying desperately to save his life… While it would have been a lot better to just vote him yourself… Sad say indeed…


Post 203:

Please, refresh my memory; what was the case for Quag being scum that

cannot be explained by him not reading his role PM?

If you honestly believe you can get away with saying not reading yoru role pm is an excuse for anything I think Mafia is the wrong game for you… Try Tic-tac-toe… or like… Checkers… They seem to be about your IQ level…


Post 209:

1. You're fingering him for bandwagoning randomly early in the game?

2. Is the best play if you haven't read your role PM

3. Examples please

4. His lynch was not smart, it was lucky.

5. Being an arse =/= being scum

I don't like that last sentence, either. Something about "accept you were wrong" feels off.

Vote: SilverPhoenix

Only real point I want to tlak about is your Number 2, there is no best play for not reading your role PM cause that is a very stupid thing to do (or not do if you want) So yeah… Stop trying to make it seem like not reading your Role pm is a good thing…

Also I find it odd you talk about all these pints Adele made and yet vote for Silver… Weird… Only wanting to vote for townies others have already voted eh?

Post 211:

Adele doesn't seem like scum, you do. I'm pretty sure I outlined why yesterday.

Nope… outline again why you wanted us to lynch a towny please…


Post 215:

You're making the claims, it's your job to prove them

Take your own advice here…


Post 253:

Horribly early stump, but I'm glad at least someone sees what I see.

Vote jdodoge

This is not OMOGUS in any way

No it isn’t. Besides the fact you have no reason to vote for D3sisted, you are clearly the second best choice for today’s lynch. Strike out I say…

Post 257:

my reasons have changed somewhat

… And they are??? Come on.. even bad scum can make up reasons… Although Really bad scum like you apparently can’t…

Post 259:

Eventually, but for now I want to see more before I disclose said reasons.

Absolutely no pro town reason for this… So thus, not being pro town, I want you dead…


Post 272:

No. I could go either way.

General feeling, mostly is my reasoning.

Seeing as how you two agree with each other on almost everything this seems fishy. Also I think your lying. Also… You two are scum anyways… So… Die…

Ok thats about it on him... I would like to iterate here that I kinda became a little bias against both JD and Scot this game and some of my attacks became a bit to personal and I deeply apologize for them. I will outline my stupid MoS/Adele partnership idea next...

[Korlash]

Ok the MoS & Adele Theory!!!! (Beware the following is ridiculous and in no way the most likely chance of being what is going on. I only brig it up because I kept seeing things that strengthened the case. Also if JD and Scot both do somehow come up town I feel this is a very likely scenario!!!!)

Post 45:

That sounds like a bullshit argument to me, Quag. If you're not looking at your role, you should play assuming that you are protown, since you have a better probability of getting that role. Therefore, your best play from not knowing your role is quite clearly to stump yourself when the time comes. The fact that you are fighting against it and trying to play it into an established persona and the "I don't give a shit" schtick makes me think that you are scum trying to slide by. I don't buy it.

Unvote, Vote: Quagmire

Post 49:

He claims he hasn't read his role and uses this as an excuse to act anti-town. "My scummy behaviour isn't actually scummy because of this third factor that you cannot verify!"

Am I missing something here?

vote: Quagmire

Bussing and distancing aside I tend to think both MoS’s and Adele’s jumping to vote Quag kinda puts them in a town light… But you never can count anything out right… I still think this “could” be a very very good distancing plan they came up with… But the chance of that seems very little.

Post 56:

If we let people off being lynched because they refuse to treestump, refusing to stump will become the dominant strategy for town and scum alike. However, I agree that a quicklynch is a Bad Thing (tm).

I was stunned to have four votes on me at the end of page 2, and didn't pay much attention to how many votes were on quag. So, for now:

Unvote

however, I won't support antitown play by inaction. If quag won't retract or agree to play a solidly protown game (you know, post "ok, I checked and guess what? I'm a tree! Shocker, no?" so we can get on with the game we're here to play) then I support his lynching.

As much I as want to not believe in a partnership between them I find it funny mentioning how she would be all for a Quag lynch yet unvoted just the same…

Post 64:

I swear to god I have not looked at my role.

although mos you seem very scummy; i'm glad we're lynching you tomorrow because you're really stupid and bloodthirsty and worthless

but adele is today's target fo'sho'

Seeing as how much Quag kept fighting more or less to get himself killed I am beginning to see the MoS, Adele, and Quag trio more and more. A good plan that could have very easily been thought of by MoS and Quag. While I like others more, if this turns out to be the case I am going to probably do a little jig… 9 times out of 10 I’m wrong though… No dance for me…

Post 75:

...hello, logic please? When you find scum, you vote to lynch them. It doesn't matter if it's the first fucking page. You don't just sit around and say "hmm, we need another 8 pages before we can lynch this scum we found!" That's not how the game works. Quagmire is acting like scum, so I'm going to vote for him. Just because he slipped up trying to find a way to act blatantly scummy and get away with it on Page 1, does not mean that we can't lynch him.

You seem pretty sure he is scum on page 3. I find that very hard to believe. While his actions were suspicious and he did end up being scum I feel the only way you can justify a short day on the basis “I know he is scum” or however you want to put it means you are his partner trying an early bussing.

Post 150:

And, in case it's not obvious, I'm ready to vote for you. Hell, I've been ready to vote for you for several pages now. One last chance: Stump. Now. I'll be dropping my vote in 24 hours.

Kinda dumb to wait if you ask me… he has more or less said 50 times he will not stump.. waiting 24 hours is kinda dumb… and could be seen as fence sitting (Not the right word I think) between being with his lynch to throw suspicion off you day two, while still being able to roll with someone else’s lynch should you be bale to save your partner… (Not a lot of scum stuff to go on you here… I have to use what I find XD Nothing personal you know..)

Post 218:

Oh, and Vote: SilverPhoenix

Jumping on a town bandwagon for no reasons what so ever… ????

As you can see I have very little to support this theory and so I do not intend to push it too hard.

[Korlash]

D3sisted: (apologize for any name misspellings)

Post 22:

Sounds like an excellent plan. And those who refuse to stump, we lynch. Furthermore, by having more players stumped instead of lynched/NKed, we have unbiased viewpoints coming from confirmed townies.

Understandably, anyone who objects this plan will be seen as obvscum, so by unanimous vote, this plan will take effect as of the start of the game.

Don't noone lynch anyone!

I bring this post up because I know I will have to focus on Desisted at some point. I just find it odd he would say “Don’t noone lynch anyone!” and then be a part of the Quag wagon… Not saying this is scummy… Cause it really isn’t… Just odd how fast people’s opinions can change…

Post 171:

I find it odd how you insist on defending him in this manner.

Please. Tell us how our case/judgment is flawed.

Fair enough question. Hope he answers it…

(shit.. this shoulda went in the JD case... ><)

Post 286:

About "the hand", I had meant to unvote him in that post as well. Then in my "why haven't we lynched Quagmire yet?" post, I realized I made this error, so it was not necessary to put a vote back on him.

As for the unvote, I figured there might be a slim chance that he honestly hadn't checked his PM, so I gave him the chance to do so and subsequently stump. There was also Adele threatening to hammer in 24 hours, which I believed was insufficient, hence my unvote. Call it wishy-washy or whatever, but as JDodge had pointed out, it's really quite hypocritical that we are lynching when our main strategy is to prevent lynches.

Ok.. because I do not see you as the most likely scum I accept this and do not feel like any further comment is needed...

Mith/Blapanext...

[Korlash]

Mith/ Bapa Bail:


Post 18:

I like Quagmire's strategy hehe, though I have no idea who these other spooky people are.

Joke or not Also a starting point for this guy…

Post 20:

That actually sounds like a good plan! I'm in.

This was in response to Silver’s post:
“Other than that, I suppose your strategy would work. Just hope the town doesn't choose many tree targets that end up killing themselves.”

I can see it as either:
A) He likes the too many tree targets killing themselves part or
B) He just pretty much contradicted his previous post by agreeing with a plan he agreed with Quagmire about not doing.

Neither of which are good points.
Post 30:

I prefer the other idea, where someone is at lynch -2, and two other people not voting much say "stump"

So he admits he liked this one. Still a contradiction to his post 18. But a more or less town oriented contradiction. Could chalk his post up to a “joke.”

Post 35:

vote: Adele

Go quagmire!

… Ok this time he went back to his anti-town approach.. His contradictions are beginning to piss me off… Jokes or not… This was the 4th vote on the Adele bandwagon and whether or not she was ever in danger this behavior cannot go unnoticed.

Post: 108:

SilverPhoenix and Quagmire seem both pro-town to me. I have felt like I can't stand someone annoying (in this case for him, Quagmire). Quagmire just seems like someone who wants to start a fire, and burn everyone, not literally of course.

That's about all I see atm.

Scot's post confuses me, because his attack seems too unwarranted, his tone that is.

JDodge has not said anything meaningful, just a few one liners, like GO SCOT GO etc. Yeah he needs to be stumped so he'll be unbiased, if he's town that is. =)

Trying to stay on everyone’s good side… seems like a very very likely town move… Not wanting to stand out yet trying to see everyone in a good light… weak, but a possibility. Could also been seen as a scum trying to gain friends/buddy up… of course two of the people he has talked about have each been proven to be on opposite sides which means I am more likely to believe it was a scared town move.

Post 109:

I really don't see how claiming to not have read a pm is harmful to the town (referring to Quaggy)?

We could just assume he is scumhunting, and let him attack whoever whenever during the day? It seems like a logical approach, but I don't know why he said so... Unless he seems to be scummy for another reason that's clear, then I don't see any reason why we should push.

He refuses to stump, and refuses to look at his pm EVEN AFTER A MAJORITY OF THE TOWN HAS TOLD HIM TOO. Whether he has a goal or point is irrelevant.. you do not disobey the town consensus and expect not to get hounded for it. It is far better to lie in this case then to continue on the path he was. Town or scum even…

Also Not reading PM means he is not looking at the game as a pro-town player and thus cannot HELP the town in anyway… the only difference in looking at the game pro-town and neutral is that you have no goal as neutral and thus cannot focus on scum hunting… You more or less “Player hunt” at all times, Argumentative both as a good thing and a bad thing. I refuse to get into it any more then I have because it wastes my time…

Post 112:

I'm going to unvote, vote JDodge

He's posted nothing of any significance throughout the whole game.

Oh he has posted significant things, mostly significant reasons to lynch him… But those are still very much significant things… All in all I agree with the vote… seems a town act…

Post 133:

Mith replaces Bapa Bail.

Damn it… Replacements suck… And Mith is a good player… *sighs*

Post 135:

On one hand, we can probably do better than what amounts to a random lynch (well, slightly better than random, since there's some non-zero chance he's looked at his PM and is scum). Moreso in this game than others, because if we go another direction, we're going to either have a scum lynched or a stumping (which is obviously strictly better than lynching a townie). On the other hand, if he's going to act like this, I'd rather get him out of the way now if we're going to kill him at all, and the 27% chance of him being scum is far too high for me to consider just ignoring him all game and hoping he's innocent.

Where did you get “27%”? Random number?

Other then that I agree with your feelings here and so I cannot dispute you for anything…

Post 146:

Quag, I understand that you are saying you haven't opened your role. And I understand that until you do so, I will be pushing for your lynch. And I understand that you getting lynched, or being forced to stump, will hurt whichever team you happen to be on.

I believe that's five.

Oh good… Nice point there… I believe one of his big reasons to not stump was that he would be hurting his team if he were mafia and yet he did not consider he would be hurting his team as town if he did not stump… Only further proves (in my mind) he is a good lynch…
Post 271:

scotmany12, do you believe JDodge is innocent? Why or why not?

JDodge, do you believe scotmany12 is innocent? Why or why not?

Interesting how they had never mentioned this before no?

(Shit this needed to be in both JD's and Scot's list... Damn it...)

Post 284:

scotmany12, do you feel there is any chance d3sisted and JDodge could be scum together? As near as I can tell, most of your case against d3sisted seems to be based on his "opportunistic" voting, yet Quagmire came up scum, and obviously if JDodge were scum as well we couldn't call that "opportunistic" either. I am having a bit of trouble making sense of your case unless it hinges on the assumption that JDodge is innocent. But now you're saying you don't think anyone is innocent.

Reading through d3sisted's posts from yesterday, there are a few little things that are off - for example, he votes, and then makes a post giving Quag the "Hand", apparently not realizing he had voted already; I tend to believe scum are more likely to forget where they put their vote. And the "unvote to prevent a self-lynch" is a bit off. That's hardly conclusive though, and the case presented at the moment pretty much sucks.

So, scotmany12, would you post a clear summary of what the hell you are actually accusing him of?

JDodge, post your reasons. I am entirely with Adele on this one.

Vote: Korlash for now. I want to see how he reacts, and the hammer/self-vote combo meal is upsetting the gut.

Huh… I think I missed that on D3sisted.. Nice.. But seeing as how I have so much more on scot and JD I feel I don’t have to run with it.

Also You should be giving that speech to JD as well… And even reiterating D3sisted’s claim that JD and Scot are most likely partners…

And how did my reaction suit you anyways?

[Korlash]

Lastly: Other things I had commented on:


Post 24:

I vote that we instead of voting (to avoid quicklynching we Stump)

If the mod is nice enough to post a stump count, we will be able to (if we reach a majority force someone to stump then we all move on to finding the next stump

I find this one very anti-town… I too have thought about a mass stumping.. but then we lose… We need to focus on finding scum, plain and simple. I we stump to many we lose. So trying to focus on stumping clearly shows some sort of anti-town feelings here…

Post 39:

Adele! Stump Stump!!!! (jk)

Joking or not never do this again…

Post 99:

Nothing to see in this post

Or is there???? Seriously… No vote count or anything? Why even post… I think Thok could be a third party scum o.O with mod powers… scary…

Post 100:

Since Korlash asked, at this time I'm not planning on replacing Quagmire.

Jerk! I bet if it had been anyone else you woulda done it! You just hate me cause I’m awesome! T_T


A couple things on Max and a few jokes on Thok... Thats about it...

I promised you guys I would get a case ready and here it is... I have outlined my biggest theory and belief (Quag/JD/Scot) followed with a secondary option of a (Quag/MoS/Adele) bussing partnership.... along with two others i feel are more or less suspicious in some way... I feel with this we can get the last two scum with relatively few stumps...

You guys do with it what you will... Odds are I will be going back to my lack of content posts seeing as how I work just as much this week as last week. I do not see my vote ever changing from Scot voluntarily. So whether he stumps or gets lynched, I want him dead today. The sooner the better...

And for the record, the second I get to L-2 (Depending on the voters) I will stump. Until then peace out. I am very tired and need rest... ZzZzZzZz....

@ MOD:

Very sorry for the... um... 6-7 times post in a row... I felt posting it all at once would make it too difficult to read... Don't hurt me for it X.X

Also the jokes are meant all in fun! Hope you understand that!

@ The rest of you: Whether you like my posts or not I couldn't care less. Read em, don't, take it all and use it against me I don't care. I'm too freaking tired to care right now... Besides I doubt you will get much more out of me for a while...

[Korlash]

^^ I am pretty much convinced that JD and Scot are the scum and thus the other four would make up the last 1% between them. Weak explanation yes, but seeing as how we have 5 stumps to deal with, listing 4 townies in my scum list will not effect our win that greatly. I feel if we go along it and they either stump or die accordingly we will hit the two mafia before long!

Also I am sorry about the length... I would actually give you a good month and a half actually...

[Korlash]

As it seems you fail to understand that post it vas obvious we stup as in Stump: Korlash

I have asked to be replaced and this will be the last time I will read this thread

I really hope that was not your way of asking me to stump... I cannot really understand what your trying to say but... If your being replaced I don't think it matters...

[Korlash]

You know I was about to come back and tell you to give me some examples but it looks like you just did...

I am all ready to give you the benefit of the doubt, except I have NOTHING but scummy acts from you, and so i highly doubt you actually made a mistake. While at the same time Silver being proven town kinda HAS to be given the benefit of the doubt you know... Not to mention it was kinda you that threw him into stumping, along with JD, and mith to a lesser degree... So I think you should not get to be forgiven for even a "mistake." That mistake got a towny killed you moron and I don't like that. Either way I look at it you still come up lynchable material today.

Hmmm... I woulda been happier with JD's comebacks if they all didn't span around me being dense... As for the 169/172 scandal thats about the only thing I can see your side on. I feel the two sentences are different enough for me to have taken different sides but I can totally see how that makes me look contradicting. Props for having at least one good comeback. Unlike Schot at least... Thats why your my number two

And as far as Long posts go I hate them too... This is probably the only post longer then 4 paragraphs I will ever post here again... That is just all my stuff up to know laid out because I have more or less been totally unhelpful all game.

But Schot, you might as well keep hounding that little bit you got there... I bet it totally gets you out of the gallows

[Korlash]

Also, how did I throw silver into stumping? I wasn't even voting for him on day 2 when he stumped.

Really? I honestly thought you were... So what your "mistakes" that you made when you attacked him were done after he stummped? That seems like a not so scum move..

First off, opportunism is a viable reason. Second off, do you not just realize you just attacked me for being opportunistic when you said it was not a real reason?

Yeah I attacked you for using it because it is not a real reason... So your second point makes no sense to me. And as for your first thing, almost EVERY SINLGE CAN can in some way be called "Opportunism" and it really cannot be proven or disproven. So it is, more or less, a really really bad reason to do anything and a really bad piece of evidence. It's more of an "Opinion" then fact almost every single time it is used. And seeing as how many times you and JD seem to call people "Opportunistic" I think you guys need to find some actual case against someone...

So you don't care if I'm scum or not? Even if I'm town you want me dead? [sarcasm]That has got to be the most protown move this entire game.

I have already said I think you are 100% scum, I would advice you not to try and twist my words and put words in my mouth.

[Korlash]

Well I already said I will stump so there is a very high chance I may in fact come up town... I just figured I would rather lynch him first... =D

[Korlash]

Um... You said you believed he had looked at his role if I remember the 8 times I quoted it correctly... I don;t really see any point you would be lying about that right now so I don't know that it actually means anything... Just feel like pointing it out...

Post 118 if you don't believe me...

[Korlash]

Sure... You made a mistake on top of all your scummy actions. I can accept that. Still want you dead. But at least now I feel we can kill each other and still be friends =D

[Korlash]

You... have.. not... Put words in your mouth? What... So everything you say did not come from your mouth eh... plagiarism is a crime!

And yes, If mafia I want you lynched, and if town I want you to be stumped. So either way I do hope you die today. Now that that is out of the way I need to find some kind of copyright law I can bring up on you...

Ohh a surcharge for sarcasm! Happy days! =D

[Korlash]

??? Ok... In my last post I was talking about you saying you didn't put words in your mouth not mine... You seem kinda jumpy man... Or paranoid...

When I said you were putting words in my mouth I meant the way you said I thought you were either town or scum when I had already listed you at 100% scum... Granted the post you quoted could be used against me for that, I still feel my scumdar overrides that one little sentence...

However I enjoy how you keep trying to find little holes in my case and try to push them with all your might.. Your not getting out of this... But you are putting up one hell of a fight! Good show ol' chap! Jolly good show!

[Korlash]

Did Korlash say that during his super-tirade? Hmmm.....troubling....

Why is that troubling? I already explained my reasonings behind it...

That is what scotmany seems to be good at...

Yeah but I don;t think he can honestly get out of some of the things I brought up... I just hope people actually read some of my cases and don't just base it off what he is bringing up...

Ehh I'm not worried.. Even the things he is bringing up I know I have good reasons for... So bring it on Scum.. I mean Scot.. sorry.. i always get those two mixed up! GO figure XD

[Korlash]

@DGB: Hey... Your so called theory works with MoS more then it does me... I was almost pro-quag half of day one... Or at least against his lynch... That is definitly not distancing.. now if you wana say I was trying to save a scum partner I would agree you may have a case... But other then what you could call a bus at the end of day one, I see no distancing between me and quag...

@ Adele: I really do not believe that you and MoS are the partners but it seems like the best strategy for the scum to do in this "pro-town" game... I mean you two are the two most likely we never really go after and thus you would make the perfect scum.. just hiding waiting for a couple to stump... Like I said I don't feel the need to push it at all... More confident in my JD and Scot pair...

[Korlash]

Huh... DGb sure likes this distancing thing...

As for MoS's questions... No, yes, and no... I wish it was that easy =D

I would never go after you because what Quag did more or less makes you seem innocent... And until you do something really scummy... That more or less means I probably won't find anything at all wrong with you.

Secondly, Quag never mentioned anyone else.. just you two...

Thirdly, I only think you have a chance to be partners if Scot, JD, and D3sisted all turn out tow... So because I "know" I am right I do not think you guys are scum thus.. never go after you...

I just felt seeing as how I was going back through the entire game I woudl throw every possible theory I had any real evidence for at all out there...

[Korlash]

Ok, I'm going to have to stop there for now. Korlash makes my head hurt.

Woot! Crap Logic Korlash strikes again!

>.>
<.<

Evil doers beware for I am on the loose... To annoy you silly!!!!!

Ok seriously... Where was I? And why am I wearing spandex?

I know it seems odd, But I really do not fully agree with your "200% max" thing. I mean I tried to fit my thing into yours just so we can try to understand each other but it really doesn't... I mean take DGB's list at the top of the page.. That adds up to 205% if I am not mistaken... I think I counted it right... So not everyone has the same way of listing people as you do Mith.

I rank people I am confident in (being scum) as a high 75-90% depending on how confident. People I will never unvote for because I see NO PROTOWN ACTIONS at all I rank from 95-100% and anyone I do not feel is scummy that much I rank below 60%. I never outright rank someone as town, unless I either have first hand knowledge or a better then educated guess that they are in fact town. (I.e. Some kind of evidence, such as role claim that is not counter claimed or unproven)

If I had to rank the others they would fall below 60%, you would be like... 65% only because of Blapa... D3sisted maybe... 65% also... and the Mith/Adele pair gets a 'maybe 80%" until Both Scot and JD are proven.

Or that's my take on it. If you don't agree thats cool, I like how I rank my scumdar and I don't feel like changing it for anyone... even you...

And dang DGB... What have I done that makes me such a likely candidate as scum? (Other then being annoying muahahahahaha)

[Korlash]

I only herd it from him... Sorry if I didn't answer it before... never saw it... wait wait found it.. post 305...

Ok in my opinion anyone "neutral" is not town... literally. I was against a Quag lynch because it was more or less a consensus on PAGE 3! That was my main reason, my second reason was that the mere "not looking at your PM" does not automatically make you scum. In fact it neither makes you more town nor more scum and thus not a good reason to lynch.

However, playing the game as a neutral is not the same as playing it Pro-town.

I did not lynch Quag for being neutral, I lynched him because he was an ass and the rest of you were pretty much not going to move on... So all in all he was a hindrance to the game... I'm not saying I was right. I'm not saying my hammer was even a good move. I already illustrated my views on the subject the first post (Third actually) of the day. We got lucky, not arguing that.

Does that more or less answer your question? I will be glad to further explain it if you give me some more specifics.

Also, just so I do not further my biasness against you, would you mind pointing out the "second" time it was mentioned... I mean I only saw it twice now.. and you say three times... I would like to know where this other one is. Thanks Schot!

[Korlash]

Ok I wasn't going to but this has been bothering me for a while now... Can you explain this please DGB:

Let's check out Korlash:
FoS: d3sisted, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mastermind of Sin, and Adele
FoS: MoS...
Overall he's obsessed with Adele and MoS, also scotmany, JDodge, and Adele some more.

That settles it. Korlash is scum #3. Adele, Quag and Korlash are overdoing the Day 1 distancing bit. It backfired on Quag, and now it's going to backfire some more.

How does a mere 5 FoS's make me the third scum? Where did I distance day 1? And for the love of god I am not obsessed with Adele and MoS... I am obsessed with the deaths of JD and Schot, yes, but am in no way obsessed with Adele and MoS. I find your entire case to be more or less BS... can you enlighten me as to your exact thinking here? Examples maybe...

[Korlash]

I am going after you for a completely different set of reasons.... I think... Damn now I am beginning to doubt my case... Darn you slick mafia plays! Time to list out my reasons me thinks...

Because you asked I will see my main points on you here JD:

1) The reference Quag made in his Firstish post where he more or less calls you two by name. That along with the fact you keep insisting the "Adele" thing was PREDETERMINED! And the only talk before the game was between mafia partners. That is more or less end of story there. Plain and simple, cut and dry, in my mind you two claimed mafia.

2) You never really seemed to give reasons when you originally vote people. You just say "Hi scum" and Vote then explain it later. Not a tell tale sign of being scum but I won't ignore it either.

3) You have been playing "Unseriously" half the game. Or that is what I got from the chat you and Silver had. If that is the case you more or less have been acting "quag" all game, and Quag = scum so... Yeah again not meaning a lot but it all adds up to a character profile...

4) You said, and I quote: "If a scum is playing town he must never be lynched."

...

That is saying you want scum to win... and thus you are either scum or anti-town. Again, cut and dry, plain and simple, I want you dead based on this, reasoning. that makes 2 pieces of scum evidence, and two of minor maybe evidence. Lets see if I have anymore...

5) you still have not explained this: "Everyone, please read the bolded part very carefully. Can you see what I see?" Even after asking you. So I ask you again, please explain it.

6) You keep using the word "Opportunism" as an attack... I have already outlined My thoughts on that matter.

7) You and Scot (The other player I most suspect) seem to be all buddy buddy the entire game. Seems odd because I myself see so many things to comment/attack you two on that neither of you attack the other at all.

8) Post 174: You try to defend Quag on the basis "HE does not want to stump" = not scum... Tat is not what I felt at all. I do feel not stumping = scum... and so I attack you for thinking otherwise.

9) You don't even prove your votes/cases when asked to do so in most cases...

10) In one case in particular you refuse to give your reasons... and have yet too...

So there you have it.. 10 valid (In my mind) points against you, none of which are what I was thinking...

Some of those points, on their own, I would not consider even vote worthy... but together.. they clearly spell out something wrong with you.

[Korlash]

So what exactly is this Scumchat then? Some place to talk about ongoing games or something? seems odd...

Is it in the forum somewhere? I should go look...

*leaves*

Oh even if that is true, it is still a scummy thing to do so I am going to keep it as a point of interest against Scot and JD... I feel I have enough other valid points that they still need to die...

[Korlash]

Sure Mith only say that to me and not to the other people who don't follow your stupid rule... That seems fair...

And whether or not it is a "scummy" thing it is still a stupid thing and I add it to reasons I want them dead. Keep only focusing on that one point and you miss the rest of my case. Are you guys just that brain dead or do you hate me that much?

Either way I don't really care.

[Korlash]

I present to you Mith, a counter arguement to your "mathematical" probability... Yes I cannot seem to let my bad math skills go without fuss...

Post 200:

mith 10%
max 15%
mos 15%
aimee 20%
d3sisted 20%
silver 25%
korlash 30%
jdodge 35%
scotmany 35%

Kinda ironic it being post 200... But it still adds up to 205%... yet you seem to be intent on making me look stupid while conveniently forgetting to even mention her.

Then in post 325 DGB also restated that same list. So you had no reason not to see it.

And I'll be damned... If those are not the only two lists of that sort in this entire thread... Mine can't really count because I only listed two players... Guess no one ever feels like sharing their lists... Probably to damaging to their 200% max case eh Mith [/sarcasm]

Ok so either you can accept I am the type of person to list each person on their own separate grid or not I could care less. I would put JD and Scot well over the majority marker anyways. in fact I would leave them at the numbers I have and like i said pull the 1% down into the rest... Hmm... That would be an odd list...

[Korlash]

Yet another nothing post from scot... and an only semi worthwhile post from JD... I just feel more and more confident about them as the day progresses onward... *stares into the setting sun*

On that note:

I want you to read the last two sentences of my post again, though. You continue to focus on your God-given right to suck at math, while ignoring what is actually scummy about what you did.

OK! =D

So, obviously I have a problem with you labelling such numbers as how "sure" you are they are scum. It just doesn't make sense. You simply can not be that sure that so many people are scum, when we know there are only two scum in the game.

I am sure that JD and Scot are scum... two people... Two mafia... Where do you not follow that one?

I only have Mos/adele listed because if JD or Scot somehow show up town they would be my next targets, right now I feel they are both town.

As for you and D3sisted.. Well I think I had a couple things from both of you I wanted answered from my reread and so I created a post for you two. Not saying you are likely scum but if for some odd reason JD/scot turn out town, and my MoS/Adele case does not find a hell of a lot more support, then you two would be next. And so on, and so forth.

Simple answer: 2 suspects, 2 mafia. I believe I actually did a good job of adding this time... Had to use both my fingers and toes but I got it!

That, at least, I could just pass off as you being really awful at math. However, more damning is the fact that posts 297 and 343 flat out contradict each other.

Well let me take a look at them then...

Nope.. not contradict.. explains each Other...

Note the "I mean I tried to fit my thing into yours just so we can try to understand each other but it really doesn't..."

If you don't agree with my explanations of things that is cool. But explaining why I did something does not contradict the thing I did. And I do not feel like explaining it anymore if you will only continually try to make up cases against me.

Korlash's poor grasp of probability theory should, ideally, be taken care of by the educational system.

o.O That... is the second time someone has mentioned that. I believe it was Mith before, in another game. Odd. You blame the educational system for my crap logic. Kinda funny actually. Seeing as how I was a wiz kid in math. Algebra, geometry, trig, calculus... Sucked at physics though... Did not see that one coming.

[Korlash]

Sure... here is a list of posts you have made that did absolutely nothing at all, were in a sense meaningless, or were so vague it really did not prove/disprove/support anything... In a sense this post I am doing is a worthless post... But you asked.... so here it is:

Post #/ Reason
300- Too vague. Did not give any details or explications. Overall no information
185- seems a lot like sarcasm, nothing really stated. Very little information/ could be seen as you setting me up for an attack tomorrow(Today)

So you see a very very very short list, but enough to qualify for the use of the word "Another" =D

(In fact you will find at least... 3... 4 times as many worthless posts from me )

However, I said what I did because I feel you keep ignoring everything thing I have ever put in front of you or attacked you with. You seem to only comment on things that I have either little to no support, or things you are able to twist around to your own side. You do not even try to defend against anything else. I called you 100% scum and you just seem to be ignoring me for the most part. So any time you post and do not address something I have asked of you then I deem it more or less worthless. (In my mind)

[Korlash]

@ Scot: Yeah I was pretty much hoping you would ask for that eventually. I wanted to do a complete list for you at the time too but lets face it, I am lazy ><

On that note I will make a list ASAP but I just replaced into another game so my time tonight will be spent on that. I will either get to the list afterwards, tomorrow morning, or at the latest tomorrow after work. Just a quick note to let you know I think your request is fair, justified, and I am not trying to ignore it.

[Korlash]

As promised main points against Scot:

1) The reference Quag made in his Firstish post where he more or less calls you two by name. That along with the fact you keep insisting the "Adele" thing was PREDETERMINED! And the only talk before the game was between mafia partners. That is more or less end of story there. Plain and simple, cut and dry, in my mind you two claimed mafia.

- More to the point, a known scum told you to do something, and you did it. Random or not.

2) You seemed to continually put words in people's mouths while providing a defense for Qug and attacking Silver.

- More to the point, you twisted words to protect a known scum and attack a known town.

3) You seemed more inclined to DEFEND Quag day one, instead of just PREVENTING the bad lynch.

-More to the point, You mostly overlooked any reason the lynch had merit, focused solely on the point it was weakest, and then tried to use it as a reason to keep quag alive.

4) Your post 127, where you state plain and simple that Silver had a case if Quag ever turned up scum, which he did. SO logically there is some case against you even you have admitted to.

5) Your post 118 contradiction where you admit to believing Quag looked at his Role PM. Your reasons for this contradiction: A mistake. Well good job. You keep stumping town off mistakes like this and you won't need another night!

6) You wanted us to wait until tomorrow to focus on Quag, thus you WANTED us to go to night instead of making him stump there and then. A very anti-town thing in my opinion.

7) You and JD seem to agree with each other a lot, work with each other on things, use he case cases almost all the time against the same people, and yet have never once commented on anything scummy the other has done.

8) You say we should not focus on the people who d3efended Quag, but more on the people who lynched him. Seems illogical.

9) The way you kept changing your attack on silver, day one it was "yours scum for believing he did not check his role!" Day two it was "your scum for saying you believed he checked his role yesterday but today you don't!"

- In other words, You attacked him for Changing his mind, when he never did.

10) No initial reasons for votes... (Most of the time.) Or at the very least weak and meaningless reasons...

11) You claim JD is the "easy lynch" for today... Why?

We can start with those...

[Korlash]

Well at least I am not the only one who thinks Scot should stump. I myself almost said the same thing a while ago but thought about the ramifications it would imply. So I do believe it is just a bad pro-town act seeing as how I almost did it myself.

We lynch due to refusal to stump, scum gets a NK

We have to lynch the scum and so they HAVE to get another NK to win. Trying too hard to appear pro-town scum? I think so...

I'm having trouble considering how you could argue that d3sisted seemed like bussing more than both Korlash and Max.

Yeah how can you say anyone looks like they are bussing more then me? Come on Scot... Why is no one else voting him besides me and D? And why do I only have 1 vote? Come on I would think me and Scot are the best choices right now...

[Korlash]

And? How is that bad for us? we get one of the most suspicious players to stump, we then get a priority lynch on someone unless they stump, and if they both stump then we get two of the most talked about people proven town. Of course this hurts us by losing two town but overall we are still in the clear. In fact if we had to waste all our stumps i would love to see Scot, D3, JD, myself, and.. well lets just say those four. Because if all of them are

proven town

then it of course eliminates the most obvious people we would have lynched.

Now, I am not for a mass stump! I do not want Scot to stump until he gets more votes.. (Come on people, just a couple more XD) And I do not want to stump myself because I need my vote on Scot!!!! However if it is necessary I would just to prove I am town.

As for Aimee... I believe i saw something earlier I wanted to comment on but now I have forgotten it! XD It was nothing big but I wanted an answer... I will try to find it... Back later!

[Korlash]

This has nothing at all to do with the game but why do you keep putting a "H" in my name??? It's been bugging the crap out of me Schot...

[Korlash]

Cause you kept putting one in my name and I felt I should return the favor...

[Korlash]

I don't think anyone can honestly say that they play the same way for all roles.

I more or less do... I am always loud, for the most part unhelpful, and try to make a lot of jokes. Town, mafia, doc, vanilla, doesn't really matter to me...

But alas.. I cannot speak for the others...

[Korlash]

Oh i do... I act like an idiot, stay more or less off topic, make over half of my posts pointless.. and throw in a bit of jokes.. i admit this game I acted a bit differently because I got pissed off during day one...

But yeah... I at least TRY to act the same...

I figure if I play every game as if I were town, even if I am scum, I can hopefully come off as pro-town...

Then again I have yet to actually be over half the roles (i.e. Doc, cop, tracker, RB, etc) so I guess my claim is a bit premature eh... I still plan on acting the same no matter what...

[Korlash]

Oh sure.. First off when i posted my huge thing JD answered me, Scot man laughed and said it was funny how much I "Contradicted" myself.

Also when you look at my two "new" lists where I spell out my issues I have more listed for Scot then I do for JD.

So plain and simple, for the most part I feel scot tried to ignore me earlier plus I find more about him scummy.

Korlash's "if we had to waste all our stumps i would love to see..." doesn't read genuine to me at all. Listing himself might feel more pro-town if not for the fact that d3sisted had just done something similar, and he took it quite a bit further with the "love" wording. Further, he seems to be suggesting that it would be a good thing, or at least an acceptable thing, if we were to have four townies stump because it would prove them innocent - which is pretty silly, since we would then be in a lynch-or-lose situation.

I'm not saying it would be a good thing, but if the day went on for another bagillion years we would eventually HAVE to either lynch scum or have stumped one or two people yes? And if we say HAD to pick townies that we all went after, thus forcing them to stump, I would like to get the people I think are scum rather then the people I think are town. OF course everyone of us should feel that way I think.

Also whats your point with the D3sisted comment? I had already more or less said I had almost done the same thing earlier. No duh I'm going to still have the same feelings.

I find it kinda funny that you claimed you do, and then had to admit you acted differently in this game.

I know... I haven't had enough time for jokes T_T

Wait... wait... Two men walk into a bar... The third one ducks! =D

...

Oh you guys are lame...

[Korlash]

If you would like to get the people you think are scum, why did you list yourself?

For a few Obvious reasons, I am very suspicious to you others, so while I find me 100% town you don't, I was the quick "flippy-flopy" (apparently) hammer on Quag, another suspicious act, The fact I am bringing up the mass stump is more or less suspicious.

So overall I am looking at this list as from my point of view, while also from your's (the town) in which I am seen just as scummy. (Or at least I think I am)

(I'm confused lol ).

awesome... Two players down.. only... 8 to go... =D

As much as I love to see other's going after scot I feel this is a bit too much D3s... see he is not refusing to stump, he is refusing to stump prematurely. And while I would love to agree with D3s post 445 and try to use this as another point to them begin scum buddies I think they are justified here. (You may have won this battle scum, but I will see you hang! =D)

Overall:
QFE:

Explain to me why he's scum, and not just town playing badly.

Scot has not actually refused to stump yet,

and I think I need someway to confuse Adel now... She is next on my list... Actually Pooky was... But he is dead *tear*

Ironically Mith was first >< Woohoo!

(And yes this is all one great big joke har har har... You don;t have to strain yourself to try and follow me right now =D)

[Korlash]

I've played with Korlash before, and he seems to be playing up to par from that game, where he was town. Not getting scum vibes from him at all.

Oh... I <3 you too man..

[Korlash]

I am feeling different about Korlash today, and I'm trying to figure out why.

Different in a good way or a bad way? Just wondering.. not that I care what you think of me or anything... Not Like I have a Mith rules poster on my wall... >.> tmi...

Dear, it's called "LOVE". This game is like a soap opera.

=D And I am at the center of it! I feel all warm and cuddly for some reason.. if only Pooky was here...

And, don't be silly - I could never love someone who is so dreadful with probabilities.

X.X

Korlash was not against Quag's death. He was against a quicklynch on page 3 (and the other early pages). Those are two fundamentally different things, but you are confusing them together to be the same view you and JDodge held.

As true as this is I admit I was also against the reasoning of "not looking at Role pm" too. But overall I felt the "Refusal to stump" to be enough of a reason for a lynch. Thus why i did it. But yeah... More or less what you said ^^

Wow... this seriously is a soap opera isn't it... "I love you Janice!" "but Brad! I am in love with your robot twin brother Darb!"

>.>
<.<

I'm not weird I'm special....

[Korlash]

NO U! Wait.. what? hey I do not know this man! I have never seen him before in my life! See ya later Fred...

*walks away*

[Korlash]

I hope they were both being sarcastic...

[Korlash]

I seem to remember you voting for quag, disappearing, and then coming back to unvote quag.

Your right. He never really scum hunted that much... But he did end up revoting quag. Which, as much as I would love to use bussing here, this game is not one for mafia to buss really... so I find it harder to believe the other scum are on the wagon.

Though if they are I doubt D3s is one of them.

Still happy with my vote. Although if the town remains split like this we are never going to get anywhere... And I am stubborn so you all come over to our side... freaks...

[Korlash]

Well this is kinda us coming back together...

I have no idea what the heck Mith is talking about as in Newbie 476 I played pretty much how I always do. So I would like to know what these non-playstyle things are...

However I can see his second point so I feel he has good enough reasons. He is wrong yes, but I think he is doing an active job of scum hunting...

I refuse to say anything about DGB... I have been pushing for Scot sense... page... like 11... and no one but D3s even seems to care. Although Silver may have done some things here and there... Not that he matters... *rolls eyes*

I personally feel i have found the two remaining scum and so you all seem town to me. However I totally agree with her on the stump thing. I too was born to stump, Crap Stumping Korlash... that is what the midwife called me. Oh it was a great and glorious day the day I went into the front yard and chopped down that old cherry tree. Dad was so upset but luckily I tricked our neighbor into saying he did it! HA! What an idiot.... I wonder whatever happened to him...

Oh.. memories are great eh?

Seriously though, while I would love to stump I need my vote so here it goes...

Amiee... Lurking almost all the game... I would not be against pressuring her in some way. However I don;t actually see a case here. I mean yes, she voted Max a looong time ago... Did she ever unvote and revote? Or did she leave her vote on max/DGB for the last 8 pages?

DGB- Too cool a player to be scum <3 Finds me the most scummy out of the not so scummies... Makes me special

Sometimes I think her cases are a bit off... Like putting JDodge with the other faction.. he is totally with us here... see.. voting D3s... With us! grrr....

Mith- Only other game I played with him I had to NK him... So.... i am afraid of him *Hides under desk* Still want to know what the heck my not playstyle things are...

Scot/JD- My scum pair... aren't they cute.. all about to die and stuff... Unfortunately I believe a lot of my stuff is traced back to their stupid team AH or something... I don't know much about it... But it apparently makes people stupid in mafia games. While I feel they are scum I also feel I am ignoring a lot of the more important stuff going on.

D3s- I get town vibes. Really cannot see a mafia player being so... what is the word... stand-outall..

MoS/Adele- Nothing to say on them... Would hate to be moved up on MoS's list... I so like my current spot... I'm really not sure what to think of Adele... I think all of DGB's cases against her so far just sound so hard to believe... However I too have made stupid cases against them.. so there may be something to them... Or it may all be crap...

Who did i miss? Silver? I think he is scum! I think this whole stumping thing is simply to throw us off he scent! (That was a joke for you more slow players....)

[Korlash]

Really? Like I said I don;t know much about it but I assumed you were in it too... ehh... Doesn't change much...

please explain...

Naw... You have never once commented on anything scummy JD did. You have never once looked at anything he said and "analyzed" it. You may have never come out and said you think he is or is not town but you have never even tried to scumhunt him. If your allowed to be totally biased on JD why can't I be the same on D3s?

Vote for Aimee OK? Forget these other clowns that are bees in your bonnet. They can be dealt with later.

Naw... I hate following others as it makes me look like a Patsy! I so should look like a Charles, or a Dave! Patsy is such a bad name for me... Besides I don't wear a bonnet but I am afraid of bees... So... Yeah...

[Korlash]

Sure... take the you stump I stump thing. I don't think a mafia would do something so dumb as that. A) As you see people jumped on him for even suggesting it. B) If he did stump and D3s refused it would have been a 1:1 trade off.. a very bad thing for mafia... Or that is my take on it. He more or less seems to have the exact same thoughts I do at times and so I keep getting the town vibe because of that. Sure I could be mistaken, I could be mistaken on you and JD too. But i am stubborn and egotistical and so I assume I am always right! ^^

[Korlash]

That's a lovely personality trait to have

Damn straight it is... It makes the world such a lovely place for me to live in. The birds sing, the rivers run wild with salmon, and above all the mafia lay dead at my feet! All is well...

And yeah I was mistaken it is a 2:1 trade off not a 1:1... still not that great for mafia... So I still stand by my reasons...

And no, if your town you better not stump just cause Scot does... Never stump unless you are AT LEAST halfway to a lynch. Better even to wait until L-1/L-2... I could care less if you plan on keeping your deal or not, I do care if your going to pull a Silver and cost us a stump for no reason at all...

[Korlash]

True... although she has posted while DGB has been here and she had time to change her vote...

Only way I see her as scum is if she is doing the whole vote then lurk thing... Otherwise I see her as a bored town. Either way... I too have very little to say about her...

Also I am very insulted at being called a dog! I am much more a tiger, or maybe a wolf... or like... a jackal! Roar! grr! Wolf!

>.>
<.<

And I would never chase someone else's tail... Eww...

[Korlash]

Do you oppose pressuring Aimee into contributing more?

Not at all.. but votes by them selves are worthless... And too many of them can get dangerous in this game... Seeing as how the scum are much more incined to quick lynch just to get another NK...

Now if you somehow came up with a case I agreed with or could see, or something maybe I would be more inclined to help.

Right now "Vote the lurker" is nothing I feel like doing... Maybe "Splat the Instigator" Or "Cut the Contributor" but those cost a dollar to play

[Korlash]

Interesting idea. Assuming I am a townie, why have I not been quicklynched? I am at lynch -2. Or stump -1, more accurately.

Interesting idea yourself... I thought you were still at L-3... Either you are sum, or at least one fo the scum are on you, or the scum don;t feel the way I think they might. Might not want to attract attention. *shrugs*

I tend to agree with MoS. Voting a lurker to get them to post is all well and good. But wasting your vote on people who are not here to feel the pressure when you could be using it more efficiently on an active person seems illogical.

[Korlash]

Sclurking huh... Hmmm... Hey Jim! What have you done today? Well Bob, first I did some fishing, followed up with a good lunch and a couple brewskis, then I did some Sclurking until my wife called!

It has merit... >.> <.<

An as for being left out of the action... Well... Um... Here *throws a frisbee* go fetch! =D

Seriously... What is wrong with my theory? Also why would you want to negotiate to stump if Aimee turned out town? isn't that what we keep telling D3s not to do?

Or was that a joke about wanting to be included with us? Cause if that is the case ha ha ha... I get it... If not.. ha ha ha... I get it anyways ^^

[Korlash]

Hey... This isn't

my

frisbee!

But I see your point. My vote on Scot seems to be doing no good at all. But I don't think voting Aimee is going to help too much either...

However... I am willing to experiment here...

Unvote, Vote: Aimee

Let's see what happens next time she posts...

*Bangs head on desk for placing a reasonless vote* This is sooo out of character...

Now to find out who this frisbee belongs too....

[Korlash]

Probably not... But I admit she is funny... ><

Besides... I'm getting bored not having anything happen... And I am interested in what Aimee says the next time she posts... So I don't see the harm in following DGB for a moment...

[Korlash]

Mith you make me sad... I almost want to stump just to prove you wrong.. But alas... I need my vote...

[Korlash]

I find it hard to believe D3s is scum... But eh, I'm sure JD finds it hard for me to believe you are scum right? ;P

Also what is with the *words*? Could never figure out why you guys do that...

[Korlash]

Hey Korlash - You can put your vote back to where it was.

Grrr...

Like I said, I hate doing what peopel tell me too. And I stick with my experiment here. I want to see what Aimee says. She has pretty much called me scum the whole game. I figure I deserve to know why. My vote stays until that is answered.

BTW: If your plan was to trap me to see if I blindly followed you, nicely done... I couldn't think of a more tempting offer... Well I could vote Mith just for fun

For now I will sit back and enjoy watching you two shuffle around for a bit...

[Korlash]

[quote=D3sisted"]Likewise. [/quote]

You think Scot hit scum with you? ><

(Joking... I knwo what you meant )

[Korlash]

T_T Your a weirdo... We should be friends =D

[Korlash]

I am online now. Decide.

Anyone else getting that feeling you get right before you see two people about to show down and do a quick draw? Yeah they normally chicken out but it is still suspenseful to see what happens...

*waits*

Wait this is JD... man... had to pick the slow poke didn't you?

[Korlash]

Come on. I give you 30 minutes from now. I am refreshing every minute to make sure that the scum doesn't put me at lynch and forces us going to night.

... That is a little sad... I mean... at least be like me and try to hold a conversation... no need to hit refresh and waste your life away...

[Korlash]

No actually. I was thrown off my ship a looonnnggg time ago. Think I was washed out of the human sanity into the Indian Ocean. From there I hopped aboard a friggate and somehow wound up in Alaska... o.O

Now that my life's story is done...

[Korlash]

Ha ha ha... every tree... who says puns aren't great...

Still i don't think you should be so focused on stumping right now. Lets say you do get lynched. You will definitely out the dumb person who hammers you you know.

[Korlash]

True... that was a little baiting... But you didn't bite.... that is a good sign...

[Korlash]

Plus I'd love to participate in the game LIKE CRAZY without having everyone think I'm scummy for a change. This is the opportunity of a lifetime.

T_T This is exactly the way I feel... OMG! your like my role model... *Bows down*

I'm not offering to stump. Why do people keep think that I am?

They are linking the two of you together as one big stumping offerer. We all know it was D3s who offered...

[Korlash]

What did you expect... Things like this take time... *checks watch*

[Korlash]

Oh Mith.. How you bore me.... I admit your number 7 point is pretty solid... I don't think I will be able to get past that one...

As for me switching to Aimee I'm not even really serious here. I just want to see what she says. I would still be inclined to go after Scot once this DGB thing the other half of the game is on is over with.

Hammer from yesterday even I admit is suspicious. But there is really nothing I can say about it.

My percentages again? Do you really think probabilities is the only thing I suck at? XD

Buddying up to DGB? That's about what it is I think. More for fun then anything I suppose.

I'm not trying to use it as a defense. In fact when I first brought it up the conversation was not even directed at me. saying I am trying to use it as a defense is reaching on your part. Bad Mith... Go sit in the corner!

Similarities to a newbie game... Yeah... That is really helpful...

And yeah, I keep defining small details every game I am in. Play style is the same, but some things I change. Like tone, word usage, words I actually use, way I push arguments, arguments I push, tells I run with, etc...

I concede points I think I have lost. No need to press things or look over defensive on worthless stuff.

Well that is about it... I expect it to be pretty slow tonight and tomorrow...

And does this mean I ma no longer at the bottom of your list MoS? Man... Now I am sad again...

[Korlash]

Yeah I think Mr. Flay was hinted at that when talking to me a while ago. Something about how my "playstyle" means the town will have to automatically lynch me or something... Ehh whatever... *snap snap* I do what I want!

=D

[Korlash]

and if her reply's inadequate, then what? You've put yourself, if not on, then... near the fence.

Um... If her reply is inadequate I hope she gets replaced... Right now seeing as how the town is divided we cannot afford to have people not playing the game. Otherwise we will be deadlined for lack of activity. Right now neither side has enough people to lynch. And because of that no one should feel pressured to stump. And because of that the day will go on and on until oh snap a deadline... then we all jump to conclusions, blame so and so, and the mafia capitalize with a town LYNCH. I can totally see it happening. And it scares me at night... *Sniff*

Yeah, that's the thing about scummy actions. You can pretend to be contrite and say you can't undo them, but the result you wanted is still nice and... resultant (okay, I'm very not articulate today).

Yeah but his attack is also nice and attackanty, and your rebuttal is pretty darn good rebuttlerarly, and my sarcasm is pretty dang excellentaficific!

Sarcasm doesn't change anything either. You said you were certain (or near-certain) that 2 people were scum, then said that other people might be too. It's a contradiction.

I said other people might be scum? Where? When? that doesn't sound like me...

Weak.

Figured that all on your own did ya? your a really great investigator...

..."how dare mith share his opinions with the town if they're not completely objective?", or "I can't change the past so this should be ignored" again?

See! We totally agree Mith should drop it! I don't get why you are so worked up over this... [/sarcasm]

look, I have been in 3 newbie games. all of them completed. From what I have seen Mith is only using one of them, and I think MoS is too. I mean yeah, Mith should think I am scum simply cause the only game he seems to be using I was scum in too! And MoS should think the same for town. Now... If they were to look at the other game, they may then get mixed feelings. AND my third game I was scum in too. So look at that one. However it isn't as helpful as it was my FIRST game on this site. I admit I played it a little weird.

BTW... I believe my scum partner was Thok on that one.. we totally won... maybe he can give his opinions of me in that game

But please... Go pick and choose what games you want to hold me too. That is helpful... [/sarcasm]

For that, I want you dead.
But it's cool, I'll go to Alaska, hunt you down after game finishes.

Bring it on! I will be hiding in my Fort Igloo with a Super Soaker... come if you dare!

[Korlash]

Korlash's jump on me is particularly interesting as well. He moves from "Nah, Aimee is bad to vote for" to "I'm not sure about anything, but I'm going for Aimee anyway". This is non-committal and opportunistic. (Post 548). Seriously. This is exactly like what you did on the Quag wagon.

I can totally see why you would suspect me from the quag wagon, but to say I am doing the exact same thing to you is a huge leap in reasoning. I put Quag at L-0, My vote on you only puts you at L-3 if I can do substitution right. In other words your lynch is very unlikely while Quag's was not. It is interesting how you call yourself an easy target when quite clearly only two people have any interest at all.

Does anyone else feel that Korlash just seemed to accept mith's points, with an attitude of basically "yup, I'm scum"?

Not really. I am beginning to think Mith is in fact th proverbial "Going after the easy lynch" person. Until I see scot and/or JD stump or lynched I have no need to run with it. However... Should the town continue to be divided like it is I feel I shall have to jump to your guy's side in order to get things moving.

What?

What do you mean what? I'm serious. The town has been divided half of today. If players keep only checking in once a week we are seriously screwed. I think what I said is pretty cut and dry.

Korlash - I find him suspicious because of his non-committal votes, particularly - demonstrated by his rash hammer on Quag for no real reason, and his questionable "pressure" vote on me.

So in other words demonstrated by my only two.. got it. Nice way of trying to make it sound worse then it is.

I agree! Korlash's jump on you is HUGELY interesting. By your own analysis, Korlash bus'ed Quagmire. YOU say he's doing the same thing again with you... does that mean he's bus'ing you?

Lolz...

I am the one making sure you don't fly under the radar, and paying you mucho attention. If I weren't here... you might get away with it. You only have two votes, by the scummiest players in the game in your list, and no one else is suspicious of you one bit. Nervous are we? Jumpy, maybe?

You noticed that too eh? Just a tad bit jumpy. But at least she posted right...

Korlash's hammer IS more suspicious. But that's just the Quag wagon. There are other things to consider.

Um... for the record.. I did hammer him... how much more committal do I need to be? seriously...

"Hey Korlash! How committed are you to your vote?"

"Well seeing as how I tied to noose I figure.. Oh I'm only 50% into it right now Jerry!"

*rolls eyes*

Hmm I like how Aimee posted a lot, answered a bunch, and gave us stuff to work with. now I figure she will disappear again... I don't like half the stuff she says but I can't really call any of it scummy. So

Unvote:

[Korlash]

Wait, so do you find him scummy for doing that?

Unfortunitely yes. I believe the fact that you are beginning to post very little (As in you mostly just ask one or two questions per post, per dayish) means I see less of you and my suspicions begin to diminish.

The same goes for JD. The less I see of you guys, the further you travel from my brain. I will bring my attacks, cases, suspicions, and what not back in a nano second as soon as I get new evidence or what not, but right now I don't see the town even caring about us. So I figure I can at least look at other possibilities.

Possibilities that include Mith being scumz! *laughs*

Seriously... Anyone else notice he has only really gone after Me and DGB (The two players with the most "lynch likely" attitudes) all day? I suppose I could just be biased as he seem to be pushing my lynch pretty hard for just having a hunch... Oh well... When I stump I'll blame it on him

[Korlash]

Is that so?... Then attack me for it so we can get back into this.

Also No, I don't remember.. Enlighten me...

[Korlash]

Not really sure. To be perfectly honest I haven't been following your guy's side all day.

[Korlash]

You could of had a V8...

[Korlash]

mods don't replace players because other players think they're being unspecific, but only because they're disappeared. A fluff/lurk combo, I suspect, would keep you satisfied - not quite dissatisfied enough, rather - to let someone flake to endgame, and you cannot let people do that. It's just plain bad play.

No your totally missing what I meant. I didn't mean if I didn't like her reply she should be replaced. I mean if she only posted 1 paragraph and then left for another week I would hope she would get replaced.

(emphasis added)

You emphasized the part about players I thought were town in response to a quote asking where I found players scum... That definitely makes sense...

More to the point the one you quoted was in no way a contradiction as Aimee said. It was merely a small "scum-dar" or suspicions list.

2. sarcasm is not sufficient as a rebuttal. I asked a question and, oh look, you didn't actually answer it.

When you ask a question I will answer it. When you try to put words in my mouth and try to shape it like a question you will get a "screw you" back. If you don't want me being sarcastic don't come at me with it.

We're not obligated to do hours of research on you. mith wasn't saying everyone should think you're scum because of that, but that it's a factor in his opinion. That's his right - and the full-disclosure thing works in his favour.

Contrary to what you would like to believe I in no way want anyone to meta me. Mith was using it as a point against me, I responded saying he was being biased. And then you attack me for saying it. And it's my right to call his right here a load of BS if I want to. And it's your right to attack me for it. It's also my right to go down to the movies, buy a large popcorn, and watch three chick-flicks in a row. Not that I would >.> <.< Just nice to know I can...

Only two what? If you're not even going to try to post good arguments or reasoned rebuttals, full sentences would be helpful.

She attacks me by saying I do "Non-committal votes" Then she says "demonstrated by his rash hammer on Quag for no real reason, and his questionable "pressure" vote on me." The only tow non-committal votes I have ever done.

Where was I? Oh yeah... My reasoning here is she said "Demonstrated" implying I had more then the two examples she listed. This, I believe, is a some-what example of a lie of omission. And lies are bad!

With his every post, Korlash seems more scummy to me. Is he just completely not getting what he's supposed to be doing here?

I'd be careful how you word things towards me. I am one of those players you never can tell what he will do next. Keep saying I have no idea what to do and I might just do something stupid.

I know what I am suppose to be doing, I am scumhuinting in my own little way. Just because I won't get on the DGB wagon like you and your patsies doesn't mean you can start throwing insults like this around.

...you're 100% committed to your noncommitment. Is that what you meant?

Well i would be more convinced if you had left the third quote out as it had nothing to do with my vote. I have already said it 50 times that that is not why I hammered him.

again, quotes ftw. But also, if he did attack you, would you defend yourself or just blow it off with more sarcasm?

I assume you mean I should do a quote in that post? Are you so lazy you cannot even scroll up one post?

And yeah I would defend myself. It would be coming from Scot, my #1 scum. Of course I wouldn't blow it off. Now half the stuff your saying I would have been ok with not answering but I felt it was more fun this way.


Also I find it odd you would open saying:

ooh, not too many posts but dang they're long...

Implying there are only a few posts, yet you only seem to focus on me... Between now and the last time you posted I posted 6 times, Aimee posted once, DGB posted 4 times, mith twice, MoS 3, and Scot twice. So why only me? Why not Aimee? Nothing to say to/about her? or MoS? Or DGB? And oh yeah your one Mith comment. really helpful...

____________--------Page Break--------________________

... Homework? Are you nuts??? Fine...

Name:

Korlash

Date:

Yesterday

Class:

Period 12

Score:

--

1) Mith- he seems to be a bit... I don't know... He personally seems to have a vendetta against me. I think he has a few good points, an I feel his vote is justified. Doesn't mean I agree with it of course. Scum rating: 65% chance of rain.

2) MoS- What can i say? He is MoS... Hasn't paid much attention to me so I haven;t to him either. Scum rating- 30% chance of sun, strong wind from the south.

3) Adele- She seems to be unable to focus on more then one player at a time. Granted I barely listen to her anyways... Going just off her last post... She seems to be following Mith, could indicate partnership, very little evidence to support it, very unlikely. Slightly biased cause I get the feeling she has an attitude with me and I hate when that happens. Um scum factor- 65% chance of rain, partly cloudy.

4) DGB- Ehhh I'm blinded by charm and good looks I suppose. scum factor- 40% chance of precipitation with a low overcast.

5) Scot- still my number one. He seems to be posting moderately, definitely not lurking. Seems to be posting little content though. A few questions or observations at max. May be trying to skirt under the radar, may just be bored. Scum Factor- 95% chance of scum death.

6) JD- He seems to be lurking a bit more then Scot. But he usually posts an ok amount of content. I have been getting used to his "Playstyle" in this and other games and so my suspicion level has dropped. i still think if Scot is scum, he is his partner. Scum Factor- 8

7) D3sisted- I know he isn't but I get the feeling of Newbie town/ bored town. Ideas may be bad at times but they come from the right direction. Haven't heard form him in a while.

8) Aimee- What can I say? I don't have enough to go on. I wish she would post more, but I am satisfied with her ATM. Scum factor- 50%

9) Korlash- He is awesome, handsome, smells like roses on a bed of Lilacs, not so good with the speaking of words thing but he is getting there. One word to describe him: Puppy! <3 Scum Factor- 2% chance of lynch, 98% chance of stumping early.

10) Silver/Quag/Pooky- They are dead... Eww dead bodies! Gimmie a stick to poke them!!!!

Part 2:
"I'm a lumberjack and I'm

Lonely!

I

Cry

all night and I

mope

all day!
I cut down trees, I

sow

and

knit

, I like to press wild

cherries

,
I put on

Mith's

Parka

, and hang around in

Movie theaters

."

Thank you very much in advance.

You owe me a gold star!!!!

[Korlash]

I know... it's a bad habit.. But I do love the warm whale skin and the Seal down... Comfy!!!

[Korlash]

You indicated only a mild lack of suspicion for those remaining players. Even if you say that you find them townish, you've still opted to distinguish MoS, Desisted, mith and I from the group you find townie, thus you're saying you find us, to some extent, scummy. So don't say now "I said other people might be scum? Where? When? that doesn't sound like me... " when you clearly are saying above that other players might be scum.

Exactly... It's what is commonly referred to as a "scumdar" here. I myself like to refer to it as a more aptly named "suspiciondar" myself. your attacking me for having more then two people on it? Please... Thats just sad...

I'd really be grateful, especially if you're quoting me, if you'd post the full quote (including the portions where I've quoted you - like in emails, where it goes back-and-forth with the whole convo sitting under the new message).

naw... too much work for me.

not yet been in any real danger of being lynched/asked to stump.

I already said i won't wait to be asked. The second I hit L-2 I'm stumping. Earlier if I can. So I am merely two votes away from being dead T_T

and gives the TBH tell, obv obv scum

What does THB mean?

@ Mith's big long paragraph thingy... It's me. Do you honestly expect me to not be talking crap half the time? o.O You should totally run with that and see where it gets you though.

Die die etc. die.

Ok...

"I didn't want this role. I wanted to be a little teapot, short and stout. Here is my handle, here is my spout! Something about leaping through the air, but not because I would be very fragile! Unless I was like.. made in China! Then I would be a strong little teapot!"

dammit! I got lost halfway through that...

[Korlash]

If you're telling the truth about the early stumping thing, you're a moron.

As true as this is I don't take kindly to insults...

it worries me that you're actually discouraging people from voting for you because of the possibility you're innocent and will stump early, defeating the secondary purpose of a bandwagon (getting information).

Really? I have like 3 reasons not to vote me. 1) As Adele pointed out I don;t really answer anything. And so voting me won't exactly help. It will however lead to 2) higher chance of a stump. Me stumping is not a bad thing but it is likely to happen whether I, you, or anyone else does or does not want it too. Unless you would rather #) ME being lynched. Quick lynched from the scum? Didn't happen to DGB why would it happen to me right? Unless I did something stupid like not stump and let you lynch me thus giving the scum another NK they would not have had... Interesting...

I think you're scum, and you claiming willingness to stump doesn't sway me in the slightest

Fine with me, I have said countless times your vote on me had a few justifiable points. Some of which others are unable to use themselves. Which I believe was the original point that brought up this whole mess... Again.. interesting...

I see your point. But as a Goofball, and real-life stumper, I understand how seductive stumping can be. It's like a siren song to me; and it looks like Korlash hears the call as well. Better tie us to the mast, while the rest of you keep rowing with earplugs on.

Sorry... I already jumped ship... Anyone want to throw me an oxygen tank?

[Korlash]

Ideally, he's scum but is so enthusiastic about stumping that he'll stump anyway. But that's probably too much to hope for.

You never really know...

Honestly Mith, if your attacks/case/gut feelings or whatever didn't look so much like some personal Vendetta I really wouldn't mind. It's just you came at me so long ago saying "Korlash is scum why can no one else see this!" and then the die die etc die thing... You might as well grab a few daggers, don a long black cloak, and put a mask on...

[Korlash]

That's actually not a joke; I read or heard somewhere (book? TV?) that it was a "lie tell" in real life.

Maybe... but he keeps insisting I said "To be honest" when I actually said "That's actually not a joke; I read or heard somewhere (book? TV?) that it was a "lie tell" in real life. " so I think if he wants to call it a scum tell he better get it right! It's (and gives the TBPH tell, obv obv scum) *rolls eyes* man Mith... for a player like you this is a huge slip up!

*The above psot was made in Jest, sarcastically. Sponsored by Pita Brand Wheat Bread. IF you like the delicious flavor of Vanilla extract mixed with Flour, Pitz is the choice for you. Also brought to you by the George Fordman Grillz. Do your teeth sparkle? If not, why not add some bling to your grillz yo!

[Korlash]

damn copy and paste...

Maybe... but he keeps insisting I said "To be honest" when I actually said "To be perfectly Honest" so I think if he wants to call it a scum tell he better get it right! It's (and gives the TBPH tell, obv obv scum) *rolls eyes* man Mith... for a player like you this is a huge slip up!

Fixed.. sorry for the hundred posts in a row...

[Korlash]

If you're pro-town then I need to see it, Korlash.

As you wish...

I didn't want this role. I wanted to be a Lumberjack! Leaping from the trees!

Now that that is out of the way... i get to annoy you all today... Let's see...

I mean, to be honest (Yeah It's my catchphrase now ^^), Do any of you think i would have acted like that if I were scum? After what Quag did? Are you serious? idiots...

So yeah, that question was a genuine one. Because if you don't know how to, then I'll be wanting to give you some hints, fast. You're new and I have some sympathy for that, but I've got a game to play here too, so it's a trade-off, y'know? I can't be going so far as to give a free pass but I've often thought it's only nice to continue IC'ing during someone's first few games. Put it this way: if, say, Stoof acted like you've been, my vote would be on him a while back because I know he knows better.

I may be relativly new to the forums but I knwo what I'm doing. To be honest I am trying a bit too hard to set up a persona of myself in my early games I think. has already killed me twice... But I ask for no pity or sympthy. I ask for help when I need it, and I get by fine. I'll take you up on the help thing in the future should I need to, but I'm good now.

The threat, if meant personally, annoys me, more than anything; really, what are you going to do? You're not the vig or the SK, if you're scum there's a 50% chance you'll be dead by N2, and even if you do nk me, I'll still probably win. I've kinda broken this game, so I'm not too scared

Man to go through all that... And to still think your town.. What is wrong with me... Personally I think I broke this game... but if you want to keep running after me and DGB for no reason be my guest...

Edit By Way Of Adding Something Before Posting: 1250 words on Korlash, but much of it was cut'n'paste.

Yeah I believe the record is 5676 words. it is in the record for best waste of time. Picture of me too! ^^

You attacked me for it right there. Also, going for the easy lynch is basically opportunism, which you also attacked me for using that as an argument. How come it is all of a sudden viable evidence when you decide to use it against someone?

*shrugs*

Kidding..

First off this cannot be solved without quotes.. dammit!

The convo:

Unfortunitely yes. I believe the fact that you are beginning to post very little (As in you mostly just ask one or two questions per post, per dayish) means I see less of you and my suspicions begin to diminish.

The same goes for JD. The less I see of you guys, the further you travel from my brain. I will bring my attacks, cases, suspicions, and what not back in a nano second as soon as I get new evidence or what not, but right now I don't see the town even caring about us. So I figure I can at least look at other possibilities.

Possibilities that include Mith being scumz! *laughs*

Seriously... Anyone else notice he has only really gone after Me and DGB (The two players with the most "lynch likely" attitudes) all day? I suppose I could just be biased as he seem to be pushing my lynch pretty hard for just having a hunch... Oh well... When I stump I'll blame it on him Twisted Evil

Did you forget that I used the same argument basically against desisted when he went after jdodge at the start of the day, and then you attacked me for using said argument?...

You think JD is the easy lynch? This is the first time you have ever mentioned that… Also Quag was not an “easy lynch” in yoru mind yesterday was he. Another BS case against D3sisted. You keep digging that hole your in deeper and deeper don’t you scum.

I'm not getting the connection.. i attacked you for NEVER saying JD is an easy lynch before until just then, and then mentioned you never thought Quag was an easy lynch. How is that in anyway related to what I said to Mith? I attacked him for the exact OPPOSITE (almost) Make more sense...

The opportunistic thing is good. But I have never said the word opportunistic because my whole case against it was "Personal feelings" You or JD or whoever used it yesterday only used the word Opportunistic and that can be taken way too many different ways. My way may fall under the term "Opportunistic" but it is a hell of a lot more specific. If I still had a vote it would get thrown on you again for this...

You'd better start talking.

HA HA HA HA HA... Oh... How you shall regret that... If you think I posted a lot when I was still in the game.. wait until now...

I think after a break and food I shall come back and begin my now game long rant on how stupid everyone's attacks are and how the attaky is obviously town...

[Korlash]

Not prematurely... I was a L-2, and I had two players (I counted Myself twice) telling me to stump. So I followed the plan.

*Points to Scot*

He is scum! Lynch him...

[Korlash]

What about Adele? First, she pushes hard on me (sweeeet), but then... she pushes hard on you... taking everything you say SERIOUSLY. How can anyone in their right mind take what you say seriously? Except the part about stumping fantasies.

T_T You just get me...

And yes korlash, you stumped immaturely, and you hurt the town in doing so.

Did I really? Or is that just what you wanted me to do? ohhh... A riddle? How original!!!

Is scot the one that wouldn't stump? Whoever doesn't want to stump gets my vote.

While I personally hate to defend him, I hate even more giving him the defense of a bad attack... He never said he "wouldn't stump" he merely refused to stump when D3s made him an "Offer." Any town (Besides me apparently) would have done what he did.

That is win.

Then why did you not revote him?

All your base are belong to us!

Dammit! She just won!!! NOOOO!!!! Cheats suckzors!

Power overwhelming! Power overwhelming!!!!

Dammit!

>.>
<.<

[Korlash]

*laughs*

[Korlash]

Nope... only 2... >.>

<.<

Vote: Scot

=D

[Korlash]

Man... Yet again I dumb was being...

Stupid Thok and his "I will not be strict on requiring proper spelling for the Tree Stump activation phrase."

Dangit i thought I had such a good plan... Now I just look stupid... Oh well... At least I got to fulfill my lifelong dream of being dead in a mafia and still being able to post! Yay me!

Also i know my vote on scot is useless... no one has to point that one out to me... ><

I blame Mith, MoS, and Adele... >.> <- "Is stubborn"

[Korlash]

Dammit... Ok Mith you can head smack me now. But only once...

[Korlash]

Oh... It's JD again? coming in at just the right time to redo his vote... Lurk much...!?!?!?!?

Seriously, to be honest I think this proves he is watching but not commenting at all. you would think he would have had SOMETHING to say against/about/for/whatever me in the last 2 pages... But no.... nothing... Why not let Scot live and take him out first? [/seduction]

[Korlash]

Hey i warned you all... To be honest I wouldn't have stumped if I had not felt Mith was blindly attacking me, Adele was coming at me with an attitude, and you jumped form Korlash is most town to Vote korlash in like 4 posts...

I like how your still ignoring both Scot and JD even though they each just did something relatively scummy... Real nice MoS... this is what got us here in the first place...

Also i too was laughing at the fact when you first came in you called me the obv. scum DGB... lolz we all make mistakes eh?

[Korlash]

Well is it still invalid? God... i told you all I play the same no matter affiliation... I mean seriously... *rollseyes* As if I would so blatantly get myself lynched... *coughs*

So now that I have successfully proven Mos Wrong, shut Adele up, and more or less continue to pull the wool over Mith's eyes... We move on.. to either JD's or Scot's bandwagon... *cough* I want to see movement people! MOVEMENT!

... sitting at your desk looking at a computer screen is the OPPOSITE OF MOVEMENT!

(Pssst... First one to roll over on the other gets a cookie! JD? you like cookies right? scot? How about a Dog Biscuit? hockey puck? Cow pie? )

[Korlash]

Also.. I think MoS should point out what exactly i did and stop being such a vague nobody... with no opinions of his own who blindly follows others and tries to equate their cases to his own....

My brain just died... More accurately the hamster in my brain.. i think "equate" is what did it... Poor little guy...

Unfortunately as a stump I have very little pull to get people to talk.. someone wana second tis here? Else he just blow it off...

[Korlash]

Emphasis mine. Stop skimming, Korlash.

Naw... I'm dead now.. I'll do what I want! *snap snap*

Actually, Korlash brings up a good point, unintentionally. Is there any reason why our stumpy friends shouldn't psuedo-vote? They are still a part of the game, and it would encourage us to pay attention to our confirmed-innocent opinions.

Oh so now that I am dead my opinion matters... Right... I mean back when I was alive people could give a rats lower hind quarters about who or what I thought was scum... but now it's oh Korlash has a good point! blah blah blah...

Korlash, I'll be ranting at you after the game. I don't think it would be particularly productive here.

Bring it on Mr. Die die, etc, die! You can't say a damn thing. Now shut up and play. ^^

Slight contradiction there

Bit more then slight actually.

plus hypocrisy after you told us not to insult you

I'm dead. I'll insult whoever I damn well please! Your alive, you watch your words! ^^

"I'd act like this irrespective of my WC, but if I were scum I wouldn't act like this". Plus you got wifom...

I got WIFOM? really? dead players get that? I am so happy now... I think I'll drink it! Ewww... It's apple juice... you liar...

And I think it i more "If I were scum I would not act like Quag." I think that is a bit more accurate.

ok, you know what? I don't think I misplayed, I think you did. We can discuss it in postgame, but right now, whatever.

Of course you didn't, your scum with MoS! you played it brilliantly!

JDodge, Scot and Aimee all deserve some quality attention right now

T_T Man when this game is over I'll give my own rant about how I frickin saved this game...

I may be voting for scotmany12 at the moment, but you're next on the ballot sheet. Or MoS for that matter. Or mith. All three of you that voted Korlash. He was sincere. You could see that crystal clear through the thick fog of Korlashery. But he was stump happy, and what better player for a scum to pressure, but a stump happy townie?

Just remember I really really became stump happy later on, mith was voting me for a while. Not saying he couldn't be scum in some parallel universe but i think the other two are more likely candidates.

I see none of you pressuring non-stump happy scotmany12. Now that I think of it, that's in scotmany12's favor.

Hmmm... favor is so easy to mix up with flavor.. Scotmany12 flavored ice-cream, Korlash flavored gum, DGB flavored cat food! We would totally become rich and famous! we could even have Mith flavored edible socks! ^^ $$Ka-ching Ka-ching$$

[Korlash]

Goof, you didn't like the stump. You've made that clear. Why are you mad at the players who voted him, not even into the danger zone, and not at HIM, for unnecessarily suiciding? He misplayed, and he didn't even apparently mean to stump

You keep calling it a misplay... I don't see it as such... I think you are trying to alleviate all the pressure from my stump off yourself and onto.. ME!

FoS: Adele

(which makes him a liar to boot, and you know my stance on that - and I know yours and that discussion will go nowhere).

... *Is insulted* I am not a liar! >.> <.< And if you believed that I have a pretty statue to sell you!

So looking at Korlash as an actor, not a master strategist, I thought he played his part with sincerity. You can't apply the same scumtells to Korlash as you would for MoS or any other player. When you factor in the fact that Korlash is a pretty spontaneous player with no apparent forethought, planning, or guile even, well, me, I sure had to believe that he meant it when he said that he was born to stump.

>.>

To be or not to be! That is a question! Rhetorical i think... Not meant to be answered... And... What light breaks wind at dawn or something... *Bows*

And I like to think I have loads of guile! Like.. pockets full of guile... and... a plethora of guile... Wish I knew what guile was Kidding... All jokes aside... >.> <.< Well... then I have nothing... ><

Mith I expect will have forethought and might be sneaky in a way that he could entice the town to go after a player, while looking like his hands are clean. That's sorta what might have happened with Korlash. But because mith is cautious, I will hold him to different standards. And I haven't seen enough of him to make up my mind one way or another. He's a gonna-get-no-read, but watch carefully player on my roster.

EoF: DGB

For holding anyone but me to a different standard

Anyone that wanted to crucify Korlash would have no problem doing it, because hey, he was scummy. But I have a problem with that in the sense that they are hiding behind rigid scumtells and perhaps purposefully choosing to remove the art from the scumhunt. And since I think MoS knows better, I find him to be by far the most scummy in the trio of Korlash voters. For that reason, his timing, and the abrupt nature of his turnaround.

Bravo! Bellicimo! Challupa! *claps*

My hands are in no way clean - I'm not going to skirt the fact that I pushed hard for Korlash's lynch. I thought he was scum, I was wrong, simple as that.

T_T Such a great moment for me...

So, yeah. I don't think both of them are scum, and I think Adele is more likely. I don't think JDodge and scotmany12 are both scum, and I think JDodge is more likely. I don't think d3sisted or DGB are scum, though I'm less sold on that than before Korlash stumped, and Aimee still needs to post more (especially reaction to the Korlash happenings). Still need to reread, hopefully I can fit that in on a writing break.

The more I think about it I too am beginning to believe out of my top two pairs (JD/Scot and Adele/MoS) I have been hopping around this very theory myself... I also could think of MoS/JD simply because I think he could be trying to tie himself in with Adele... Work in progress.. more later when I make it up I guess... Still liking Scot/JD more right now.. but that is starting to fall a bit... Sad Panda...

You seem to have a problem with the fact that I abandoned my theory that Korlash was protown when the entirety of the argument I made for him being protown was shown to be false.

Shown to be false? Why? Because I conceded points to people? Weird...

MoS: MoS

cause it looks cool to do...

Also

HoS: Mith

for not previewing his post... That is a bad think to do man...^^

And

LoS: Silver

for not being around to save my life... Your a bad friend stump you know that ;_;

[Korlash]

Hey quick question... Does this count as me being dead in this mini? Can I go ahead and replace into another one or am I still considered "Alive" here? Don't want to break the whole 4 mini rule, but I don;t want to miss out on a game I could be playing too...

Thanks... And... um... I woudl tell you a joke here but I really can't think of one... make one up for yourselves I guess >< I phail!

[Korlash]

dammit... Alright... Thats fine... i like this game anyways! <3 you guys! Group hug!

[Korlash]

Oh what? Now we have this semi-acquaintance man/dude relationship all of a sudden? I mean it wasn't so long ago you were implying I was an idiot... I don't think I'm ready to get into a whole pet name basis right now. Just isn't the

right time

...

[Korlash]

Chainsaw? *gulp* I thought they only had axes... Now I will have nightmares forever...

[Korlash]

^^^ was aimed at DGB, silver, Korlash, and anyone who's wandering around thinking "Today is a good day to Stump".

Why.. the.. hell.. are.. you... aiming.. it.. at.. the... STUMPS? I mean it's not like we are going to.. STUMP OURSELVES AGAIN!

For now, I think MoS and JD are the best lynches.

[Korlash]

Vote for JD...

[Korlash]

^^^ = 666

Creepy... Scum? maybe... ironic? Not so much. scum? Maybe...

[Korlash]

wow i totally did not expect DGB to buddy up to the confirmed innocent

What now that i am confirmed we can no longer be buddies? Make more sense scum!

[Korlash]

What buddying up to the confirmed innocent? Or do you mean continuing to be buddies AFTER I confirmed my alignment. Or would you rather she buddy up to me while I am unknown, see I am town, then stop being my buddy?

Or are you and your partner JD suddenly feeling the heat and rummaging around for any excuse stupid believable enough to pass by this already proven moronic town?

O.o *Evil eye*

[Korlash]

And... you being JD allows you to... A) Hide behind your reasoning, and B) Look more like Scum cause you are...

>.>

*mumbles*idowhatiwant*Mumbles*

Also have we not already proven going after "Life-stumpers" is a bad bad bad play... Mos and JD are bad bad mans... (those two last sentences not in any way related...)

[Korlash]

h sure now Mith values my opinion... *rolls eyes*

Sudo-Vote: Silver

He's a sneaky one... didn't save me... ;_;

[Korlash]

and I still think you're a raving lunatic, but I don't see why your vote shouldn't be worth something.

sniff... you don't know how much this means to me... T_T so happy...

Being Korlash's vote butler is way more fun.

bring me a lime and soda vote on the rocks with a hint of lemon! Chop chop! good help is soo hard to find...

[Korlash]

D3s agreeing with JD? I would have never thought... I guess anything is possible eh?

[Korlash]

Yes... Adele is a good game... We follow here, and we lose... =D kidding...

[Korlash]

Such a small word, but so important. Sorry Korlash if I implied your vote was no better than a dice roll.

*Knocks something on the floor* What? What dice... >.> <.<

[Korlash]

FoS: Aimee's internet provider!

They must be scum!!!

[Korlash]

You said there was a causal relationship between her unvote post

Thats good. I hear the inter-forum office relationships between posts. D=

[Korlash]

awww... That makes me sad... *cries*

[Korlash]

Tsk Tsk Mith. No need for fist shaking! We are all friends here... now let's just continue to kill off JD and then we can have cake! Cause cake is so not a lie! >.> <.<

[Korlash]

JD still not talking...

*coughs*

*hits the Vote: JD button*

Come on people... see what I see, do as I do, SAVE AS I SAVE! ... >.>

[Korlash]

*Nods nods*

*Hums the lynch song*

[Korlash]

Hmmm... I think We are on to something... JD is cracking... he just slipped up a bajillion times in that last post... We are so totally going to win!!!

[Korlash]

Ohhh.. sure now he thinks of scot as scum... Boo! Your scummy lies will get you nowhere! Death to the non-believers! Death to the lumberjacks! Death to anyone who hates cheese!... >.>

Also why would buddying up to confirmed innocents be a scum action? I mean it does you no real good when you think about it. It should be "Buddying up to anyone" duh... Lynch whoever said it. Mos and JD I think... Have to reread to find that out...

[Korlash]

Town have no reason to buddy up to confirmed innocents. Just because they are confirmed does not make them right. It is not in the town's best interests to just follow around and do whatever the confirmed innocent says. It's just that what they say means more now that they're confirmed. But that's not what DGB was doing.

No you misunderstand me. I mean, why just the confirmed innocents? It should be, no buddying up to ANYONE. Confirmed innocent should in no way make a difference. And so using the "Buddying up to Confirmed innocents" seems a bit odd to me. I could totally be blowing it out of pro-portion, but it just stood out to me. IGMEO you two... You watch yourselves... or.. watch me watching you... O.o

[Korlash]

@ Korlash - put on your serious cap for one minute, it's not going to hurt I promise - please tell us what you think of scotmany12's most recent contribution.

What do I think? Seriously... Where the hell have all you people been the ENTIRE DAY 2? I have been pushing for both scot and JD all day and what do you do? "Oh let's vote Korlash cause he talks like a moron!" Well I may be a moron, and I may like to talk to trees, but I sure as hell hate that I am the only one seeing how "Buddy buddy" Scot and JD have been all day.

Let me actually do something for once and see if you people can listen to me now that your not blinded by your obvious desire for me to be the scum...

Ok, so my top scum is still desisted. I don't think I am voting for him yet so I will Vote: Desisted right now. Unfortunately, I am not sure what to think of his scum partner. It is probably between Adele and DGB for me, but I'm still not sure. DGB strikes me as a little bit like korlash, and we all know how that ended up. I have to look over those two as well as MoS, but I think he is town.

First. Votes D3s for no stated reason. Never a good move. I don't care if you have outlined a page long case before, you better say something useful when you place a vote.

second: ohhh nice partner picks... Let's grab the two names that a skim read picks up off everyone's radar and throw them out! "Ohhh look at me I R Smart!" Please... Again, reasons, evidence, and a few brain cells required please.

And he ends by saying he thinks MoS is town... Yeah... Sure... Like he will fall for that one. I would only be more shocked at your uncleverness if you tried to get on Mith's goodside too.

Mith I do not see as scum.

.. Man i am good... And you are so not...

Concerning jdodge, if desisted is town, then I can definitely see jdodge as scum. But as it is right now, I'm pretty set on desisted being scum and I cannot see jdodge being scum with him. This is all for now.

Right... Let's defend your buddy, distance from him, and even set yourself up for a bus later all at once. You give no reasons, no clear explanations, vague useless crap, and once again let anythign and everything JD has said go out the window. You sir, phail.

Oh... It's JD again? coming in at just the right time to redo his vote... Lurk much...!?!?!?!?

Seriously, to be honest I think this proves he is watching but not commenting at all. you would think he would have had SOMETHING to say against/about/for/whatever me in the last 2 pages... But no.... nothing...

Fair point. JDodge, anything to say for yourself? Did you see the Korlash argument? If so, what were your thoughts and why did you not contribute them?

I don't think JDodge ever actually answered that question. JDodge?

QFE!

Hello! Whoever fails to bring this point up against JD has to be shot.. seriously... And throw it at Scot too. They both were mostly MIA the entire time, I think Scot was in periodically with no to little content. I mean what do I have to do to convince you guys I could for once in my lifetime be on to something here...

You totally confuse the whole situation, making me look at fault when I wasn't even the person who was the one who brought this situation up. It was desisted, but no, instead of actually reading, you jump to me being scum. You defend desisted, and attack me. That is why you can damn well be his scum partner.

Also, the only person I ruled out is Mith. And like I said, I have to reread MoS, but I have town vibes from him right now.

Ruling out Mith or MoS ever in any game is the most boneheaded move I could ever think of doing... Your beginning to sound like me... only... a smarter.. less fun me...

Also why not go after you? I see JD is a perfectly reasonable candidate for pressure/discussion yet you have still NEVER ASKED HIM ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE IN THIS GAME! you have never pointed out a flaw, you have never made a case or point against each other, you have never said anything but "HE may be town or scum who knows" EVER! I swear there is no way in hell you can both be town. I say lynch the both of you and see where we stand afterwards.

Didn't I do so a few pages ago? Or at least at the start of the day? Take that and add the sudden lurking to it.

can't even summarize his own case?... Yeah... he's so town [/sarcasm]

I really don't like this post. Still no committal either way on scot and d3sisted's alignments. Second paragraph I hate even more; how is going off on something else for a couple moments and actively hunting scum "trying to distract from the JDodge thing"?

HA HA HA it's times like this I have to laugh. It is so obvious your weak attacking the person leading the charge against you and trying to side with one of the town's most obvious "good players." Man... I am so glad I finally get to see you lynched... I want to be there when you hang.. scum..

this is a helpful post with riveting content

HA HA HA HA... man... your so sad...

Why do you only say this to scotmany and not Mith, who also stated that he had picked up town tells from me? Why single out scotmany?

Why are you missing so much from Scot and JD and only focusing on DGB? Come on... Your suppose to be better then this..

People who are town: Adele, DGB

People who are being totally idiotic ATM: MoS, D3sisted

People I am afraid of: Mith

Scumz: Scot, JD

Awesome people: Korlash, DGB, Adele, Mith, Pooky

Not-Awesome people: Silver, JD, Scot, MoS

>.> *Is very stubborn*

[Korlash]

Gaw... That first quote was so said by DGB... T_T Forgive me!!!!

[Korlash]

Perhaps... or perhaps DGB is right and you are distracting the town from JD... I could care less which because I do not see enough votes on JD ATM...


*stares at JD with evil intent*

[Korlash]

Notice MoS ignored everything I said concerning JD and Scot in my above.. um... 4 post... I think...

I mean even a "Korlash your an idiot this is wrong!" would have been acceptable. but not a complete blow off...

[Korlash]

No no no no no.. *bangs head*...

Man.. Mith and Adel... good thing I am already dead... ><

Um, I explained my reasons tons of times for desisted. You know damn well why I think he is scum. Also you totally missed the part where I said I had to reread all three of MoS, Adele, and DGB. Stop trying to insult me and actually read for once. If anything right now it is by process of elimination, which is why I said I had to reread all three of them.

Ohh someone is all snippy all of a sudden! Feeling pressured you scum? feeling defenseless now that your partner and/or townie shield is close to death? Charmed and afraid of my outstanding goo looks? I bet...

And no, if your too lazy to even say one single reason why the vote is warranted at the time you post it, you have no case. There is no reason to give a vote without a single "this is why the vote is being placed at this time" explanation.

Why don't you stop trying to insult me and start playing the game?

I am not trying to get on anyones good side. I'm expressing my views, and Mith is town for me right now, and I'm getting town vibes from MoS as well. But I haven't ruled out MoS even though you think I did.

And I have mentioned jdodge, even if you don't think I did. I don't recall him do anything particularly scummy that jumped out to me. Plus, I have already said this plenty of times, I cannot see him being desisted's scumpartner, and if you haven't caught on yet, I'm pretty dead set on him being scum.

I will not be asking jdodge to stump until we have heard from him.

Right... That is exactly what a scum would say! =P

Seriously though... You still have given very little of anything lately, including anything on D3sisted. And with JD at *L-2* at one point there is obviously something scummy about him... Yet you phail to even mention it... *duh* Why are you still alive?

There is no substance to this post. Desisted is the only person who continues to not do anything but spew out irrelevent nonsense in this game. Even aimee had some logical information when she posted. Desisted is watching the game, but he comments on nothing. At all. I am still very confident in him being scum.

Hmmm.. example that will kill this theory... hmm... where can I find one? hmm... not-so-helpful = scum... no substance posts = scum... hmm.. OH WAIT! What about me? *kicks self in head* stop trying to lead the town to another pointless stump and just lay down and die already...

I have not seen you nor JD ever even try to make a *Convincing* argument on D3sisted... You just seem to *insult* and/or put him down... Trying to make the town think he is as worthless as me eh? Good plan... Hope you burn in hell for all of eternity, yadda yadda yadda, die die die, etc.

Mmmmm... Scotmany sounds town.

Iie! dame desuyo!

I do not. You're making that up. Show me where I pride myself on "picking up every strange or scummy thing a player does, no matter how big or small."

Yeah.. that seems to be something I would do... I seem to remember attacking a certain player for having a scummy conformation post... Hmmm... *rollseyes*

In case you haven't noticed, everyone is bored with your petty little vendetta, except Quagmire, who's very excited about it, so that should tell you something. You are not convincing anybody.

How do you know what Quag is thinking?

FoS: DGB

for talking to dead people!!!! Scary...

[Korlash]

[quote='"Adel"]i think this set up is a delightful opportunity for stumps to practice a concise and helpful playstyle. [/quote]

HA HA HA HA HA no comment... >.>

Still don't have time at the moment, but I would like for Korlash to state his case on me in an objective, factual fashion as opposed to the mostly-fluff case he's been presenting thus far.

*pulls a page out of JD's book"

I already did that like.. 14 pages ago.. Not to mention at least three people have asked you the same question in the last 2 pages you have still not answered.. so... No... Anyone who cannot present their own case when asked does not deserve the case against them presented. Show me a case on D3sisted and I'll think about not doing anything you say... scum...

Distinguishing features: Excluding self-votes, ONLY unknown-alignment players. Korlash's scumdar seems to be FINELY TUNED. A genius in disguise.

I'm glad someone else realizes that...

Korlash and I still soulmates.

^_^ <3

I'm tempted to stump right now just to prove you wrong. And then I could sit here and laugh in your faces as you wonder how you lost sight of the true scum. And then I would remember that you never lost sight, because you are the scum.

Hey, at least I had an agenda... I stumped so i could annoy Mith the rest of the game.. but he hasn't posted very much lately.. ;_;

You don't need to stump in order to laugh in our faces... just do it so I can turn that into a scummy move you scum!

Also anyone else think JD is trying to use the "I will stump for no reason" card like I did? I do! I DO! Lynch him!!!

So the question is this: should I stump?

Yes... If you stump and are town, we go after Scot... If he ends up being town (unlikely you BOTH are town btw...) and stumps then we have used three stumps, mine, yours, and his, and can go off that to find the scum. However, th whole mirror image thing makes me feel ONE of you is scum... so... Lynch/stump the pair of you I say...

DO NOT STUMP.

Even soul mates have different opinions sometimes I guess... T_T

[Korlash]

Perhaps.. But I still think AT LEAST ONE of scot/JD is scum... I think a 4 for 1 is fair... *cough*

[Korlash]

i don't know which... That is why I want them both lynched/stumped...

After JD, scot, after him MoS, then Adel just for fun!!!

>.>

[Korlash]

Quick while he is gone, kill JD!

>.>

[Korlash]

And 7 and 4 and 12...

[Korlash]

... Oh darn...

*Two of them...*

GAW!

VOTE: ADEL...E...

VOTE: ALL BLUE STATUE THINGS!

VOTE: THE HERE AND NOW!

VOTE: CAPS LOCK!!!!

[Korlash]

... *sigh*...

Take two...

Adel: WHY? Dangit... WHYWHWYWHWYWHYWYWHWHWYHWYWHWYWHWYWWHWYWHWYWHWY?

*Prediction* : "No comment!"

Le sigh... Why is MoS town? Why is JD town? JD is scum..

FoS: adel

for saying the opposite.

Replacing into a game: 4$
Making well based and well reasoned cases: 6$
saying both my town picks are scum: Lynched
For every where you need it: Theres Mafia Scum!

>.>, *Tear*

[Korlash]

What were you wrong about?

[Korlash]

Ok so your repeatedly wrong about who is and who is not town... Well in a game of mafia who isn't? Seriously...

I mean everyone is wrong once and a while... Doesn't change the fact you have been acting very scummy!

[Korlash]

Yeah... JD is good at dodging things isn't he?

[Korlash]

Yeah... Don;t remind me of the sadness...

[Korlash]

Hmmm... So JD is still alive why? *blinks*

[Korlash]

... *sighs* Why is JD innocent?

[Korlash]

Who are you voting for Adel? There is no one here by that name...

[Korlash]

... Oh snap... Someone's feisty! Rowl!

I know you hate me, but seriously... save the mean hurtful talk for a game in which you can actually kill me

[Korlash]

*claps* I like it... So on the odd chance Scot comes up town your down for immediately following it with going after JD? Sweet.. finally a player who knows how to play.

Also, what do you feel about MoS? Noticed you said nothing about him.

[Korlash]

I don't make decisions on what I'm going to do based on players coming up one alignment or other until they actually do, I'm afraid.

Sorry I took you saying " I would surmise that at least one of JD/scot is scum," that you would go after the other should one turn up town.

I suppose your strategy is fine. see what happened to me? I go after the two I think are likely scum, people ignore me. I try to join their group, they vote me. I say I want to stump, MoS "Calls my bluff." Showed him didn't I?

*waves tree flag*

[Korlash]

Hmm I suck at multiple choice... To much like math... Is there an essay question?

EHHH! I CHOOSE D!

d) You think that person is a good role model.

WTF... *cries* I hate tests...

[Korlash]

I said I don't see scum doing this. THAT DOESN'T mean I think his is town.

If you don't think he is town.. and you cannot see him as scum... then... what is he? A shoe?

IT MEANS I DID NOT BELIEVE THAT HE WAS SCUM TRYING TO PULL A GAMBIT.

*Sneezes*

Oh sorry... I'm allergic to BS.. and the caps thing doesn't help...

This did not mean he was town however, or scum. Just that I believed he didn't look at his role pm. You are stretching.

Not stretching... it was a bit WIFOM. No stretch involved. Just different opinions on if that does or does not mean you are more likely town.

[Korlash]

I would rather JD stump then Scot. As many people have said Scot seems more... "believable" I suppose is an ok word... Not really... anyways i would rather see JD stump first.

And yeah, I find it Ironic you asking me for my opinion...

As for Scot, I know. I do not want to go over it again. But I have been saying all game the people off the wagon need to be pressed and I'm not going to stop just because I'm dead.

[Korlash]

Kewl... At least we are on the same page so to speak...

[Korlash]

Clear.... *bump*

Clear... *Bump*

Kinda off white colored now... *bump*

Oh crap now it's red...

*hours later*

>.> I am sorry to inform you of this.. but we lost him... Here's your bill...

[Korlash]

*yawns* are you all still alive?

[Korlash]

Um... top three... Well I think Darth Vader is pretty scummy, and Bowser is pretty much scum in my eyes, and I think JD is too...

>.>

Man being dead rocks...

[Korlash]

On an actual serious note... With Scot stumped, instead of JD... *growls*... my views change a little...

I still woudl like to see JD stumped, but I personally feel it would be better off to, say, hit up MoS...

Mostly for his 1006:

I still think this is not going to be a good move, but I guess we'll see when Scotmany posts next...unless anyone wants to change their minds before it's too late?

then his 1008:
He "*sighs*"

Then everyone votes people knowing full well the vote count will be reset.. morons...

So... with JD still toping my list, I think the town should hit up MoS and Fonz next, then if one of them is lynched/stumped. Move on to D3sisted/JD. Hot potatoeing between them in pairs.

However I still think all 4 need to be... um... looked into.

>.> I still think Scot is scum...

[Korlash]

Ehh it just makes me think you knew he would turn up town.

[Korlash]

Warm fuzzies? >.>

Mith, are you and Adel partners again?

[Korlash]

>.> What the 'ell... You think 1000 posts is a lot? Your weird...

[Korlash]

Ehh you still got 700ish to go... <.<

[Korlash]

Well... All I can say is that not having to reread is so super cool...

Also, Didn't I push Scot's lynch all freaking day? Didn't I turn out to be town? Didn't i at some point of another semi-defend D3sisted? ish...

So to answer your question, I would. Your calling me scum now Adel? Yeah... Why don;t you stfu for a change.

[Korlash]

Yeah I say... games on pause until Jan 5ish...

[Korlash]

Your post saying Des hasn't posted in a while.

mainly saying don't expect an answer for a week. Not saying you won't get one, just saying it would be best not to hold a no answer against him.

[Korlash]

I forgot... Something about going after Scot and he turned out town makes someone scum I think.,.. Thus, you called me scum... Or something... seeing as how it involved you it was';t all that important....

[Korlash]

sure... lets go with that...

[Korlash]

and somewhat confrontational - I don't think it was very cool of him to tell you to shut up like that).

She did it to me first... Way back when i was still alive. So it's not cool for me to do it but she can?.. right...

[Korlash]

No I'm trying to false accuse you of crap... keep up... *snaps fingers* not that hard...

[Korlash]

This is the second game I've been called a troll in.. Perhaps you guys will answer me.. what the hell is a troll?

Korlash, what do you think of Adel? I ask because you've been somewhat confrontational with her of late, but didn't include her in your suspicions list earlier

I hate her.. literally.. as a person... so you will never get a good answer from me...

Korlash, could you please refrain from making completely useless posts? If you were an unknown quantity we could perhaps gain some information from your behavior, but you're a confirmed innocent now, and it's very difficult to separate your actual thoughts, which I am interested in, and the BS, which I am not. You're probably trying to be funny, but you are failing miserably.

Just in this game or forever? Also... No... I told you I'd do my best to annoy you if/when I stumped... and you had to do it... *shakes head* tsk tsk... No one ever takes me seriously...

[Korlash]

Quotes aside I get what your saying...

In a game I can't talk about she did something I the most to me like... 20 times... And every time I try to get over it someone else does it to me in another game and I remember how much I hate people who do it.

I'm not one to hold a grudge usually but Adel is just so fun to hate... >.> Poke her with a stick... see what happens...

[Korlash]

Adel didn't make a contradiction! Scot is lying! He is scum lynch him!!!

>.> Yeah... make heads and tails out of that one...

Seriously though.. Where did she claim to be town simply by posting regulalrly? Yeah... Didn't think so...

[Korlash]

Scot's totally making sense! He has to be town! everybody listen to him!

Hmmm I wonder if this will ever get old...

[Korlash]

woot JD stump man! Stump!

... *waits*

After this we lynch Adel...

[Korlash]

... I thought I counted as a stump caller?

>.>

[Korlash]

I think we should stop listening to MoS because the more he talks the more I think he should be the next to stump... or lynched... I think he would choose to lynch...

[Korlash]

Well There is the whole Quag not wanting to go after you thing. Which seemed to me like there was some plan behind going after you to begin with but instead he figured why hit my partner when we can go after Adele. Then there is the whole "Call Korlash's bluff" thing when you clearly knew my feelings on stumping. Now it's the failure to recognize JD as anything. Also it's the fact I am me and you should all do as I say...

[Korlash]

It's possible. Then again you could be a partner with MoS or JD. Then again Mith and Fonz could be partners with someone too.

Likely? Not really... In fact I would peg MoS and Mith a good pair. MoS and Fonz a good pair. And Adel and Mith a good pair. None of them involve JD though... Quickly lynch him before I become too set on other partnerships... comeone JD stump stump stump...

[Korlash]

Have I been reading the thread? What kind of question is that? I never read anything... XD

[Korlash]

Voting Adel is better in games where there is no chance she becomes unkillable =D

i joke...

Seriosuly MoS... Just off JD so we can get on with this game.

[Korlash]

I agree... ask him to stump and see what happens... >.> doubt he will....

Also Fonz makes a good point. The less input from me is better... Hmm... Unless of course i actaully try to contribute something... hmmm... hard choice...

[Korlash]

Vote: Adel

Back to the basics I suppose...

[Korlash]

Adel? Scum? Right... I see where your going with this Mith...

Well i think we more or less have a greater then average chance of Mith being scum actaully. Unlike him I actaully plan on a little reread... >.>

[Korlash]

--I'm a little miffed that you folks eventually lynched Scot and Korlash, both of whom I thought gave off pretty obvious protown tells. I haven't yet gotten to either of their Stumpings, but I will be paying close attention to both of them.

Ha ha ha you'll hate me when you do...