Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

Bins · Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:05 pm

In post 2125, Bins wrote:ra was 100% scum

* town lol

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:05 pm

I can't imagine town anyone would fake claim cop and try to discredit the actual cop and change their claim once somebody else claims to contradict them.

Look at what scum got. 2 town PRs on a platter and everyone town reading Dunn to boot.

Scum had way more to gain.

Bins · Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 2122, Dunnstral wrote:But tyler's voting jaack with me right now

i kno im hoping this is just cause tyler got impatient or something idk man

fk

ok

like

i dont want to say like
"why do creature and xy not post I NEED THEM TO POST" but honestly its the truth

Bins · Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:08 pm

the only thing i can say for 100% certainty rn is that jake is just wrong

Bins · Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:11 pm

cant read lurkers for shit man : |

because i never lurk as scum and i can never understand the motivation behind lurking as scum so its just so weird to me
the fact that xy comes in here and doesnt try to save face AT ALL and has barely addressed it has gotten to the point where i think he really does feel so awkward to talk about it because he doesnt want to give a reaction

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:15 pm

In post 2129, Bins wrote:the only thing i can say for 100% certainty rn is that jake is just wrong

He changed his story only after you contradicted him. He kept trying to discredit me. Does this sound like somebody who believed I was the cop? No it doesn't. He wanted to discredit the cop.

You guys call that town behavior fine. You want to ignore me. Fine you want to insult me. Fine

But in my mind I can't fathom town doing this so he remains my top scum read even if I'm wrong. I'm also most likely dead tonight so if you aren't going to lynch Dunn, at least give me the common courtesy of ignoring him as he has definitely earned the right to be ignored over me.

Bins · Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:16 pm

WHY WOULD A GF DO WHAT HE DID

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:20 pm

Why would a gf not do that? You guys have no idea how to manipulate people. Who better to pull it off? They lost a goon so they have a gf and probably a pr. They were banking on me investigating Dunn cause it's obvious that's who I was going to investigate and with a town result on him he knew he would be safe.

Bins · Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:22 pm

if what world does someone claim cop because they know they have a cop inno on them?!

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:24 pm

A world where somebody understands Mafia is about manipulation.

In what world does a townie claim cop and once the real cop claims attempts to discredit them and only changes their story when busted?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:25 pm

Have you ever played epic mafia bins?

Dunnstral · Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:26 pm

In what world does a cop cc his inno report and tunnel vision on them...?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 2137, Dunnstral wrote:In what world does a cop cc his inno report and tunnel vision on them...?

In a world where the GF role was verified as still a possibility and knowing no way a townie would ever claim cop to discredit the actual cop.

Now go away and stop interrupting and stop talking to me

Dunnstral · Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 2133, Jake from State Farm wrote:Why would a gf not do that? You guys have no idea how to manipulate people. Who better to pull it off? They lost a goon so they have a gf and probably a pr. They were banking on me investigating Dunn cause it's obvious that's who I was going to investigate and with a town result on him he knew he would be safe.

Not seeing the part where me claiming cop comes into the equation

Why do I need to "manipulate" people if I already know I've got a cop inno on me - and you know it would've been obvious too

toolenduso · Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 3:03 pm

I feel like we've already been over this. Jake doesn't want to move past Dunn, he's said he's not going to move past him and I'm pretty sure no matter what anyone says he's not going to change his mind.

Creature and Jaack are both candidates for scum.

So that leaves TOF. Who sounds like he wants to lynch Dunn. So, TOF, let's talk. Why would a scum godfather, who was sure the cop was going to investigate him, preemptively claim cop rather than just wait for the cop to out the result and ride to victory on the inno result?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 1647, Dunnstral wrote:Well you've got to be lying because I'm cop and godfather is blacklisted in normal games anyway, which is why I'm not voting you right now

In post 1658, Dunnstral wrote:Jake I don't understand why you're going full rambo but I'm not going to let you get lynched, obviously, just stop with the fakeclaim already?

In post 1666, Dunnstral wrote:Are you serious

Why would I fake claim cop with two innos as mafia

I'm real cop, jake is doing some weird gambit thing right now and doesn't actually expect me to get lynched

jaack I ask you again - are you really scum reading me?

In post 1692, Bins wrote:I'm a Voyeur
I'm going to claim cause I'm useless now

I targeted Robert N1 and yeah he got investigated
I targeted Dunn N2 and yeah he got investigated

So either Dunn is GF or Jake is scum investigative
Have fun someone figure this out

In post 1693, Dunnstral wrote:LOL

In post 1694, Dunnstral wrote:Ok I retract. And I'll explain what I was doing before you psychopaths jumped on me

Please tell me how the all this comes from a person who says they knew I was the cop...

Tyler the Creator · Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 3:27 pm

In post 2119, Bins wrote:VOTE: xy

im down

vote:xyzzy

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 4:21 pm

In post 2140, toolenduso wrote:Creature and Jaack are both candidates for scum.

Why did your read on Jaack change and what happend to your scum read on xy?

toolenduso · Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 4:38 pm

In post 2143, Jake from State Farm wrote:Why did your read on Jaack change and what happend to your scum read on xy?

Still scumreading xyzzy, and my read on Jaack has not changed. I'm not saying I'm scumreading Jaack, I'm saying he's a candidate for scum. Because he's in a pool of four players where I think two are scum. So even though I think it's probably xyzzy and Creature, I'm not discounting the possibility of Tyler and Jaack.

Or, more succinctly, one of {creature, jaack} and one of {xyzzy, tyler}.

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 4:48 pm

Just weird I guess. You had jaack as 3rd and now it seems he's moved up and xy moved down.

Still want a logical explanation as to why Dunn didn't retract right away vs waiting until he was caught in a lie to retract. Anyone?

You guys seem to have issue justifying his cc as town behavior but not the attempt to discredit me. How was that town motivated? How is it not scum motivated.

Let's play devil's advocate. What if I didn't have a result on him. What would your reaction to his actions be?

Jake from State Farm · Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 4:53 pm

Btw just bored and can't sleep. It's definitely possible gf is in this setup - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7704867

Plus with scum having daytalk they could have orchestrated something. Maybe the other pr was going to claim cop and they changed their minds or something.

toolenduso · Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 5:04 pm

In post 2145, Jake from State Farm wrote:You had jaack as 3rd and now it seems he's moved up and xy moved down.

Nope.

And sorry, but I don't think there's a reason to keep talking about the Dunn thing with you. You're not going to change your mind. Nothing against you, I just think you're wrong and I don't like posting about the same stuff when it doesn't matter. I'll talk with TOF about it.

And I'm now realizing that with TOF leaning toward Dunn I think xyzzy is the only person widely scumread enough to get lynched today. And there is utility in lynching xyzzy before Creature because if xyzzy flips scum then I think we could move on from the possibility of Tyler being scum. Whereas if we were to lynch Creature and he flipped scum, I would not want to lynch Jaack but other people still would.

VOTE: xyzzy

Dunnstral · Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 2142, Tyler the Creator wrote:
In post 2119, Bins wrote:VOTE: xy
im down

vote:xyzzy

VOTE: Xyzzy

l-1 and need 1 more person

Jaack · Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 5:36 pm

In post 2145, Jake from State Farm wrote: Still want a logical explanation as to why Dunn didn't retract right away vs waiting until he was caught in a lie to retract. Anyone?

This is an important thing that people aside from Jake and I seem to be comfortable ignoring for some reason.

This is also where I'm going to note that for a good portion of d2 there were 3 now-confirmed townies (fzd, zach, and jake) voting for dunn, and no one with the possibility of scum being interested in that lynch.

With TOF seemingly taking interest in dunn (although he hasn't exactly endorsed a lynch yet), that makes 4 confirmed townies. From my perspective, the only player with some level of interest in lynching dunn who is NOT confirmed town is creature, whose slot was the first to take interest in confscum HA.

Dunnstral · Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Wed May 25, 2016 6:09 pm

dang the legendary trio of zakk/desmond, zach, and jake!