Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Tyler the Creator]

it's a mix of hard cold facts and gut blended into a read that coupled with the fuzzies ive gotten sporadically from xy that makes me feel good about that read

now only if they would post more than once a week

[Dunnstral]

Like what?

like the fact that I got hard tunneled on by two town; RC and Zach (and Zach tunneled onto me again when we're both town)

And the fact that yes, I made a big case outting Zach as doc using evidence (I was wrong though but blame Zach) which basically shows that there's no way I would've missed Jake's cop tells here

[Creature]

like the fact that I got hard tunneled on by two town; RC and Zach (and Zach tunneled onto me again when we're both town)

Heh.

And the fact that yes, I made a big case outting Zach as doc using evidence (I was wrong though but blame Zach) which basically shows that there's no way I would've missed Jake's cop tells here

The difference is that you didn't decide to fakeclaim at that game.

[Tyler the Creator]

i'll vote dunnstral as soon as someone convinces me that his play today is scum motivated

all have yet to do this

just woop, must be a godfather

[Dunnstral]

The difference is that you didn't decide to fakeclaim at that game.

Obviously I'm not going to fake claim every game. Also I was cop so.....

Digging around in my last game isn't going to help you, saying "I didn't fake claim that other game" is true but doesn't have bearing on this game in the first place

[Dunnstral]

Also you're ignoring discussion on the game at hand

[Tyler the Creator]

creature have you read the game in full because it doesn't really seem like you have tbh

[Tyler the Creator]

maybe it is just creature/xy

mostly because why the fuck do both scum jump down dunn's throat?
i feel shitty about turning around on jaack now but holy shit have his pushes been mechanical

but it makes sense more with xy starting to posture up on jaack once he got traction if creature is scum i think

[xyzzy]

I think I was misunderstanding part of the interaction that was going on when I made my post about toolenduso last night--partially because I was speedreading through about 6 new pages of posts. I do think that anyone who had a strong reason to believe that Dunnstral was a cop day 2 would have killed him as scum, and toolenduso is the most obvious person to fill that role.

I never got as far in my logic yesterday as deciding that Dunnstral might be a cop yesterday; I knew that one of his statements had to be incorrect, but I was having a hard time working out which one, and I didn't try to work all the way through the logical implications of both.

I believe Bins' claim; I think it would've been a completely pointless claim if she were scum, and I find her crumbing plausibly real.

I agree with the statement someone made that Creature's reads post (1868) feels like it says very little. most of the game so far I've felt that Keyser was probably town, though, so I don't really like the idea of a Creature lynch right now.

I read through Jaack's ISO and felt like the shift against Dunnstral wasn't as strong as others seemed to imply it was.

anyway I still don't think Dunnstral is scum

[Creature]

One thing I do note is just how little voting Keyser did in this game.

Well, despite the lack of votes, he was genuinely pushing in D1. He can be considered passive at D2, the way he was focused on h_a posts points he wanted to scum hunt by association.

And how low-activity he was too.

Low-activity isn't very accurate, he could be busy or just not in a good mood to play mafia game. Seeing he stated he would replace out if he didn't finish his post, I believe it must be one of it.

That does go against what I remember of his town game,

Would like to see that game.

and Creature's entrance today fits scum very well.

How did you reach to that conclusion?

I am thinking atm that if Creature flips scum then Jaack would be less likely to be partner -- in which case I think I'd be looking at xyzzy based on PoE.

And if I don't?

[Tyler the Creator]

who's scum?

[Tyler the Creator]

@xyzzy^

[Creature]

Also you're ignoring discussion on the game at hand

As I can see, most of the discussion involves me being scum, which is totally wrong.

[Dunnstral]

I do think that anyone who had a strong reason to believe that Dunnstral was a cop day 2 would have killed him as scum, and toolenduso is the most obvious person to fill that role.

Bins was the most obvious by far I'd have to say

What about you? Did you notice it? Why were you asking about my vanilla town claim on day 2 and talking about it like I had info?

[Creature]

creature have you read the game in full because it doesn't really seem like you have tbh

I've browsed through all pages before I replaced in.

[toolenduso]

K I think I get your logic now Tyler. I don't find it all that convincing but I get it, and mainly I just wanted it explained publicly.

creature have you read the game in full because it doesn't really seem like you have tbh

Yeah, it does seem that way. Which makes this post:

I noticed you were gambiting, but I find it hard to come from a town!you.

...confusing. It looks like he's saying he knew that Dunn was gambiting, but for some reason still asked people if they think Dunn could be cop.

I also realized something else about this from Dunn:

Looks like xyzzy definitely suspected that I was cop with an inno on robert from the bolded part. That's why I think they could actually be town here

...if scum had an investigative role and checked you N1, they could have known you weren't an investigative. So then scum could have still kept you alive N2 even if they picked up on your cop/VT thing.

[Dunnstral]

creature have you read the game in full because it doesn't really seem like you have tbh

I've browsed through all pages before I replaced in.

I believe that.

But then you got your scum role pm and haven't paid attention to current events?

[Dunnstral]

...if scum had an investigative role and checked you N1, they could have known you weren't an investigative. So then scum could have still kept you alive N2 even if they picked up on your cop/VT thing.

Wait that reminds me

Because of bins being on me I can know I was for sure not roleblocked, so it would have to be an investigative role there instead

That was my thinking of jaack being suspicious if that were true

[Tyler the Creator]

you have something quoted in post 1937 that i didn't even say tool

[Dunnstral]

Actually

You're saying that because I was the hammer vote on h_A

there's a good chance I was roleblocked or investigated then, when bins wasn't on me

[Tyler the Creator]

oh wait i get it that was something creature said and you mis-pasted my name somehow?

and yea that's an alright point

pretty down to lynch creature i think

also xy's waffle on creature doesn't look good just now considering they didn't give any other scumreads and basically called everyone else town lol

[Creature]

creature have you read the game in full because it doesn't really seem like you have tbh

I've browsed through all pages before I replaced in.

I believe that.

But then you got your scum role pm and haven't paid attention to current events?

Huh? No.

[Creature]

Feeling pretty confident both scum are on Dunnstral/Jaack/Bins.

Can we lock the game already?

[toolenduso]

you have something quoted in post 1937 that i didn't even say tool

Yeah, weird. That post was by Creature. No idea how you wound up in there.

Low-activity isn't very accurate, he could be busy or just not in a good mood to play mafia game. Seeing he stated he would replace out if he didn't finish his post

I mean, yeah, possibly. Or it could be that he, like some people on this site, just doesn't like playing scum very much or feels awkward doing it and so he didn't post much. I haven't done a meta dive or anything, but I do know it's different than what I know of his town game.

Would like to see that game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63716

and Creature's entrance today fits scum very well.

How did you reach to that conclusion?

You came in and hopped on Dunn, who was lynchbait but there were two other people willing to vote Dunn so not like you'd be autolynched for it. Then you doubtcast on Bins' claim and set up Jaack as a possible lynch despite him also voting Dunn.

I am thinking atm that if Creature flips scum then Jaack would be less likely to be partner -- in which case I think I'd be looking at xyzzy based on PoE.

And if I don't?

Probably jaack.

[toolenduso]

Because of bins being on me I can know I was for sure not roleblocked, so it would have to be an investigative role there instead

That was my thinking of jaack being suspicious if that were true

Not sure what you mean, why would that make jaack suspicious?