Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Bins]

Doesn't her claim basically clear her?

It doesn't clear me. I think I look pretty town now because of my claim + my synergy with both Macho and BG. Why do you think I'm cleared?

[Tyler the Creator]

Well, gotta go, currently seeing this:

Jake - His hammer looks towny, he already showed intent to hammer Desmond, though, he wasn't overcautious when he wanted to hammer.
Robert - He seemed decently town despite the investigation.
Tyler/Tool - They haven't done anything particularly scummy/indicative, their general motivation looks good so far.
xyzzy - Kind of liked him D1. Haven't done much D2 or D3 to get a read from.
Jaack - Should say, his pushes are pretty terrible.
Bins - I dislike her posts since D1. Her claim is a coincidence, which makes me think she could be some kind of mafia PR.
Dunnstral

Bins

Why you targeted Robert and Dunn?

1) hammer looks towny, why?
2) robert is literally confirmed town so good job
3) tool and i are different people thanks
4) that's not really true at all? everyone posted more day 1 than day 2 or 3 and xy has posted readable content on all of those days - which way is your read leaning?
5) all of his pushes? which ones? why?
6) what does "her claim is coincidence" mean precisely? Like you're saying she's scum because her results were easy to give? why can't that also be true if she's town

6/6 of these reads seem fake to me

[Bins]

I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.

[Tyler the Creator]

i particularly love the quip about jaack's pushes while pushing the same shit jaack's pushing atm

[toolenduso]

It doesn't clear me. I think I look pretty town now because of my claim + my synergy with both Macho and BG. Why do you think I'm cleared?

The synergy is one part. But the main thing is why on earth would scum fakeclaim -- and fakeclaim voyeur of all roles -- right as two cop claims are arguing with each other? Like, what's the endgame there? To get one of the claims lynched? And if so, why not then try to get Dunn lynched?

And

she crumbed?

That seems like pretty strong evidence to me.

Also, yeah, Creature could be scum too. I'm just wondering if scum would both push on Dunn right now.

[Tyler the Creator]

I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.

thing is im isoing keyser and calling his push on ha bussing is sorta hard to swallow

[Bins]

v

ery sad about my reads th

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: ( i was gonna come in here townreading h_a

y

a i was gonna say floof not noticing the claim is badeeeee

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ur

right

i have full intent to hammer
i suppose theres really no point in saying intent to hammer unless someone else has something left to say

pedit - ok

this is my crumb btw I forgot

[Bins]

I just wish Keyser had been there to actually say something other than "Ira's claim looked more towny" after all the shenanigans. I think scum could have easily seen that H_A was fucked and they needed to side with the BG CC (which is why I still have paranoia of tool).

[Jaack]

You just highlighted random letters. I mean, I believe your claim, but that's not a worthwhile crumb at all.

[Bins]

It's not merely about misreading a role pm.

It's that he claimed never to have heard of his role despite understanding what it does and having confirmed it in pregame. (See 587)

That being said, let's try to work out what we should do.

So let's assume for a second that all three of ira, h_a, and Robert are telling the truth about their roles.

Robert would be little more than a named townie with only the macho modifier. Since doc is slightly better than bg, h_a would be slightly more useful than ira. So the "best" lynch in this scenario would be robert, and then have ira protect h_a and h_a protect someone aside from ira.

Assuming at least one is scum, then once again Robert is the best lynch, as it's highly doubtful that a macho townie with no night role exists in a game with just a lone doc/bg. If one of ira/h_a is scum, Robert almost certainly is as well.

I guess there is the possibility they are all scum pulling a ridiculous gambit, but that is infinitesimally unlikely and would become obvious by d3.

VOTE: robert2424

Most logical place to start.

To add to that point above
This post is so condemning that Jaack scum would have to be horribly unaware of how much this post would fuck him over.

[Bins]

You just highlighted random letters. I mean, I believe your claim, but that's not a worthwhile crumb at all.

Really? My post randomly put first letter then last letter then first letter then last letter to spell my role?

[Bins]

To spell VOYEUR of all things? If it was the word "cop" I'd agree. But I clearly was crumbling voyeur with that post.

[toolenduso]

You just highlighted random letters. I mean, I believe your claim, but that's not a worthwhile crumb at all.

No, it's super hard to just find something you can call a crumb in your early posts if you didn't intentionally put it there. I've actually tried that as scum before, going back to my early posts and seeing if there's anything that can possibly work as a crumb. I couldn't find anything. And look at her use of "ur" instead of "your."

I guess we don't really have to wait for a replacement for the Robert slot since it's essentially clear. I'm not entirely sure of which to go for between Jaack and Creature; both are bad and I came up with reasons to townread both when I was looking at HA interactions.

[toolenduso]

This post is so condemning that Jaack scum would have to be horribly unaware of how much this post would fuck him over.

What do you mean? Because Jaack was going after Robert?

[Tyler the Creator]

she means that that's bold for a scumpost

[Tyler the Creator]

and i sorta agree

but jaack seems like he's got balls so it's more meh really

[toolenduso]

Bad idea for town. We have a pool of clears and our advantage is in keeping as many people in that pool as possible.

no shit?

Sorry -- was this post not you suggesting that we could afford to lynch Dunn just to appease Jake?

[Tyler the Creator]

we could "afford" it

it's pretty easy to gather im quite against it, though

i just wanted to no for sure if it was worth my time to argue with him about it

[Tyler the Creator]

Votecount 1.09

iraonavp

(L-3)

:

Tyler

, bins, toolenduso, Jaack

heuristically_alone

: Keyser, Dunnstral,

Floof

Zachstralkita

: xyzzy,

heuristically

Keyser Söze

:

iraonavp

Not voting

:

Robert2424, Zachstralkita, JFSF

Decided to look at votecounts and this one is interesting - it's pre doctor claim too

relatively strong townreads on bins and dunn
so either half the scumteam wanted to all pile on zach (xyzzy) - which would be strange considering that there's a cool ira wagon already rolling
or

at least

one of jaack/tool is scum

a part of me wants to think that ha might be getting bussed there, namely because paranoia, but also because i don't ever have faith in town's abillity to get a wagon spinning on scum day 1 without some sort of bussing/distancing sparking it
and im leaning on it being keyser because a tool/jaack team realizes how shit out of luck they are if ha takes off and how bad this would make them look (gonna sprinkle some meh ontop of that but im rolling with it for now)

which it did - gonna keep reading on

[Tyler the Creator]

quick correction - that count was just a spell after ha claimed doc, still semi reflective of how things were standing before it though

[Tyler the Creator]

and after that - spec all falls to shit because you got ira claiming which basically cements the ha lynch

i slightly dislike tool being quick to jump on but that's mostly meh

i sorta like jaack and dunn not twisting their panties about it right away and jaack pursuing robert, like i said, seems bold for scum

jaack or tool/creature?

gonna move on to day 2

[toolenduso]

Vote analysis, good idea. I want to do it a little more comprehensive than that though.

[Tyler the Creator]

Votecount 2.05

Zakk

:

Tyler

, Dunnstral, xyzzy

xyzzy

: Toolenduso, Jaack,

zakk

Dunnstral

: JFSF,

Zachstralkita

Not Voting

:

Robert2424

, Bins, Keyser Söze

this throws a giant wrench in a lot of tool/jaack/xy combos i think - but that's nothing new

[Dunnstral]

The only way it's possible for bins to be mafia is if I was roleblocked after all so she'd have known I was fake, or if she simply guessed.

I don't think Bins is mafia in the first place anyways so I won't talk about that anymore

I might agree with you on wanting to get creature over jaack? It's just that I thought he looked so good after I had called him out early on and I'm not sure if xyzzy is town after all

Creature came in and gave a typical reply I'd expect from scum though

[Dunnstral]

I'm a Voyeur
I'm going to claim cause I'm useless now

I targeted Robert N1 and yeah he got investigated
I targeted Dunn N2 and yeah he got investigated

So either Dunn is GF or Jake is scum investigative
Have fun someone figure this out

LOL

Ok I retract. And I'll explain what I was doing before you psychopaths jumped on me

The LOL was him laughing that his planned worked sort of.

I don't think even you can believe this?