Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

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I don't care about Jaack rn he has
This entire game
Only scratched the surface with all of his reads and he continues to play like that
Ofc the NK points to you but HEY GUESS WHAT JACK SCUM CONTROL THE NK AND FRAMING EXISTS AND ZACH WAS OBV TOWN
ETC THE LIST GOES ON FOR HIS READS
HES BEEN OPPORTUNISTUC AND JUMPY THIS WHOLE GAME I SAID THIS
U DONT HAVE TOASK ME THIS NOW


NEVER
FAKE
CLAIM
COP
THE AMOUNT OF TIMES GODDAMMIT I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION
UGHH

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i just wish his N1 check lined up more

What do you mean?

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I....what?

It doesn't make sense for scumDunn to claim cop right now, because unless town had no investigatives it would mean he was signing his own death warrant. Because we've had a protective flip already, so town would start to question why Dunn wasn't being NK'd.

And it REALLY doesn't make sense for scumJake to CC, only to give an inno on Dunn.

Like.

This is town right? I'm not crazy?

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HES BEEN OPPORTUNISTUC AND JUMPY THIS WHOLE GAME I SAID THIS

Who jaack?

By the way you guys are really overestimating how much I cared about Zach tunneling me to the point where I'd night kill him. I just got out of a game with him where yes we were both town and he hardcore tunneled me day 2 until I claimed cop (heh)

Bins don't be mad AT ME listen my plan was perfect and I was 100% right on what was going on. I definitely didn't expect you to flip voyeur but at the bottom of the start of day 3 what you said there really threw me off and I actually reread your iso to make sure you weren't somehow cop pulling off some wifom

Yes Jaack

zzz

your plan was perfect until you forgot about what type of player Jake is
Jake had a death tunnel on you
You claim cop man what is he gonna do

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If my gut is right and they're both town (I'm like 99% certain Jake is)

Jake
Robert

Dunn

Tyler
Tool


So scum is in: Keyser, xy, Jaack

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Here's the thing: even if there's a slight "ehh" going on in my claim it doesn't matter if I'm uncc'd. Especially since bins basically had an outburst day 2 and wouldn't doubt it at all. Well, she would with the voyeur result. But I trust she wouldn't have outted that once I had cleared jake (bins plz)

I'm not sure I think MOST SANE PEOPLE DONT FAKECLAIM COP

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other sidenote: I'm happy there's no more GF

pedit - ok actually I see what you're saying now : |

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I'm too tired for this I sleep

Pls discuss scum in people not Dunn, Robert, and Jake

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are the wagons at their peaks on xy and desmond similar enough in constituency with unflipped ppl that it's more likely xy is also town or am i moonlogicing?

Is Jaack scum
Is tool scum

These r important questions too

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Ok I'll concede it wasn't a bad idea if you knew Jake had an investigative Inno on you and you didn't think GF existed


Actually it was pretty smart


But obviously that wasn't the case
So djjxjdkskskskwkwkskkskwkwksmcjdiejej!

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Why are you still on about tool...

It's mainly paranoia? Why should I not doubt my strongest townread a little?

If xy is town then Tool or Jaack has to be scum (hence why I asked about those two). Or Keyser. But I really like scumKeyser at this point.

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Gun to my head in my tired state Jaack/Keyser are the last mafia
if not Jaack, xy
If not xy, tool
If not tool, Tyler

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lol I feel bad for straight up saying Jake was cop lol gg


also Tyler I forgot to say they can't both be scum gambiting cause of my results

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Normally I like VCA-ing mislynches, but the ridiculousness surrounding that slot makes me a bit hesitant to trust it too much in this case.

That being said, I'll do a bit.

Floof/zakk/desmond seemed to be the inevitable lynch for most of D2 - every time the wagon shifted to xyzzy, that wagon stalled, and I don't think there was ever really enough support for a dunn lynch. No one else had any significant wagon unless I'm forgetting something. This kind of leads me to believe that there was at least one scum off the wagon. The only three living players that meet this criteria are Tyler, Bins, and Keyser/Creature (who I now have an opportunity to welcome). I had a scum read on bins and still think she's a viable scum. Tyler I've been hard townreading most of this game, but that's a bit shaken now, mainly due to his aborting the wagon when it was at its weakest point (when zakk requested replacement). Looking back to D1, he was also the only person who went along with my plan to lynch Robert over now confscum HA. He did, however, give intent to lynch desmond at the end, although that was after desmond did stupid confusing things. Keyser was basically absent D2, so I don't think it's particular worthwhile to consider he actions regarding the mislynch.

As for the people on the lynch:

I'm pretty sure that Jake is town. I don't think that scum would have been so against a particular lynch all day only to hammer when someone else (Tyler) had already given intent. I mean, I already thought that Jake was town, but this sort of mentally confirms it.

I know I'm town.

Robert expressed interesting in hammering zakk after he (zakk) requested replacement. Jumped on the wagon after Tyler moved over to xyzzy. He hadn't really been scumreading zakk prior to zakk's replacement request. Overall: still have hangups about this slot.

There is no funniness involving tool's vote on zakk, at least none that I see. Town

xyzzy is still probably scum. Parks a vote on zakk fairly early on, but never really said all that much on any of the residents of that slot.

Dunn's strong lust for the f/z/d lynch for virtually all of D2 makes me pretty comfortable that he's town. I don't feel that scum under reasonable suspicion would push so hard on a weak slot's lynch.

So that leaves tool/jake/dunn as town
Mixed on Bins/Tyler/Creature/Robert
Xyzzy still probably scum

VOTE: xyzzy

Does this make Xy/Jaack team less likely?

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Jake do you really think there's no chance Dunn is town or is this policy?




And I know my role is useless I've been saying this
the only thing I did is prove they're both not scum together

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Oh nvm I missed this page entirely

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VOTE: creature

I targeted Robert because I knew either scum or town investigative would want to target him.
I targeted Dunn because I wanted to know if scum had a roleblocker (I thought Dunn was cop).

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Doesn't her claim basically clear her?

It doesn't clear me. I think I look pretty town now because of my claim + my synergy with both Macho and BG. Why do you think I'm cleared?

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I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.

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v

ery sad about my reads th

o

: ( i was gonna come in here townreading h_a

y

a i was gonna say floof not noticing the claim is badeeeee

e

ur

right

i have full intent to hammer
i suppose theres really no point in saying intent to hammer unless someone else has something left to say

pedit - ok

this is my crumb btw I forgot

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I just wish Keyser had been there to actually say something other than "Ira's claim looked more towny" after all the shenanigans. I think scum could have easily seen that H_A was fucked and they needed to side with the BG CC (which is why I still have paranoia of tool).

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It's not merely about misreading a role pm.

It's that he claimed never to have heard of his role despite understanding what it does and having confirmed it in pregame. (See 587)

That being said, let's try to work out what we should do.

So let's assume for a second that all three of ira, h_a, and Robert are telling the truth about their roles.

Robert would be little more than a named townie with only the macho modifier. Since doc is slightly better than bg, h_a would be slightly more useful than ira. So the "best" lynch in this scenario would be robert, and then have ira protect h_a and h_a protect someone aside from ira.

Assuming at least one is scum, then once again Robert is the best lynch, as it's highly doubtful that a macho townie with no night role exists in a game with just a lone doc/bg. If one of ira/h_a is scum, Robert almost certainly is as well.

I guess there is the possibility they are all scum pulling a ridiculous gambit, but that is infinitesimally unlikely and would become obvious by d3.

VOTE: robert2424

Most logical place to start.

To add to that point above
This post is so condemning that Jaack scum would have to be horribly unaware of how much this post would fuck him over.

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You just highlighted random letters. I mean, I believe your claim, but that's not a worthwhile crumb at all.

Really? My post randomly put first letter then last letter then first letter then last letter to spell my role?

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To spell VOYEUR of all things? If it was the word "cop" I'd agree. But I clearly was crumbling voyeur with that post.

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I'd believe that des was a counter wagon looking at that

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does anyone ever crumb anymore

I said that around my crumb for a reason

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Literally the post after

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Do you actually think Dunn and Jake are both cops?

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Feeling pretty confident both scum are on Dunnstral/Jaack/Bins.

Can we lock the game already?

JAACK KEYSER SCUMTEAM CONFIRMED WRAP IT UP BOYS

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How am I still in OMGUS? Wait, how is what I'm doing OMGUS at all? I've been saying Keyser-scum since D2.

The reason I highlighted that post is because I feel Creature's Jaack read is super out of place. Not because of the read on me, lol.

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Kidding but I wanted to hear the explanation

I've been saying Keyser-scum since D2.

err

I mean you didn't really push it...

What are we waiting for right now? Robert's replacement?

No, I mean I've been suspecting it. The only reason I didn't push it was because KEYSER WASN'T IN THE GAME. Which is why I was piss-y about the D2 hammer. Make sense?

Why is his Jaack read out of place? Because the reasoning of it looks terrible. And like you said, he's explained and talked about his read on you and I, but the Jaack read seems sort of thrown in there. To bus? A good possibility in my mind if Creature is scum.

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Ohhh, okay. Gotcha.

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The site is being painfully slow right now.

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I like enough of what Keyser did while in this game to not feel strongly that Creature is scum, but I'm not a big fan of how Creature himself has played so far. I definitely am having a problem with seeing everyone as too town and not committing. I guess by process of elimination I'd have to go with Creature as the most scummy player at this point (I feel like Jake's claim probably makes him town). I think probably the most compelling piece of information for me here is that I feel like all of the people who are voting for Creature have valid reasons for doing so right now, whereas the votes on Dunnstral don't feel good to me at all. with that in mind I'm gonna

VOTE: Creature

What do you think of our good friend Jaack-o
And Tool-o

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Is this vote really bad on xy if Creature is town? Tune in next time, folks!

Actually I'm not that comfortable with L-1 because Jake might hammer lol
UNVOTE:

let's just chill out a second

I want xy to answer these questions and Tool to you know do more stuff and not just say he's done a lot of stuff in the background

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I still think creature is scum but I don't see why I would want someone who is just bitter to quickhammer
I want someone to actually think creature is scum to hammer him or at least have his partner flail around more before he decides to hop on the wagon

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I feel the same way and it's how Tyler described it.

Jaack is so confident and bold it's unnerving and comes across as very town when I read it. But his logic is always very simple. Like "Hey, this night kill points to Dunn because Zach scumread Dunn." or "Guys Robert is scum" (after the whole shemalamading, etc. Other examples I have called out before.

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I want to mention that the only reads I remember Zach being v. vocal on were Dunn/xy scum. He had like... two other reads that were loudly expressed? But he didn't really have any reads that were "This person is town town town." I really do feel like the Zach kill must of been mainly motivated by the fact that Zach was pretty town and was probably the most town out of everyone. Unless, you know, xy is scum.

Actually, I really want to look at the formation of the xy wagon and Desmond wagon more in depth. Maybe there is indication that Desmond was a counterwagon.

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idk man why do you think Zach was killed

I'm not saying xyzzy was framed I'm saying xyzzy had a good reason to want the guy dead

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Well, I did invent it just to have a counterwagon...

(This might be confusing. I did scumread xyzzy but my main reason for voting them was to start a counterwagon)

I mean Desmond being a counterwagon to xyzzy but I see now that I might be wrong on my timeline. I'm too tired it's like 3AM.

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i wish xyzzy WOULD NOT POST IN SMALL BURSTS

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like there's only so many times you can try to spark a dialogue with someone before the "maybe they're just social inept" turns into "okay yea they're scum who literally is incapable of engaging you at all

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ok i feel ya i really do

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like i do this time it aint like zakk-o

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VLA until Tuesday night

i can prob check up on tuesday tho but for now god save the queen

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ditto

back from da land of no stable wifi tho so I'll post after work

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So none of jaack, creature, xyzzy can be mafia solely because I'm pushing on them?

Right now it looks like you're starting to push on your other inno report but I'd expect as much

So scum is probably in tool/bins/Tyler

This is a joke right?

Jake cmon

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I'm really at the point where idk and I'm stuck between those three and even though I was hating creature now I can probably say it's equal chance in my mind they're scum

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I have the hit the point where you calling my town play bad early in this game does not have weight because you have proved your opinion is worthless

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VOTE: xy

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i'm at the point where tyler is probably right

there's no way that xy if town can be so adamant to avoid all contact

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and what do you mean my play has been underwhelming my reads so far have been pretty good dsadaskldjas kdjwqm

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and what do you mean my play has been underwhelming my reads so far have been pretty good dsadaskldjas kdjwqm

They were? You had your vote in ira at the end of day 1, and you didn't seem to scum read ha. If anything he was in your null/unsure pile. Those are amazing reads

You have a ton of posts and I can't really remember any truly useful ones.

i didn't switch my vote from ira cause it wasn't necessary i was too lazy to unvote ira
i clearly stated i thougth ira was 100% scum and an H_A lynch was the best outcome and i said i would hammer

i was right about both zakk/floof (not confidently as i should of been, because i think most ppl pushing his wagon were town) and Zach

so like
stfu

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ra was 100% scum

* town lol

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But tyler's voting jaack with me right now

i kno im hoping this is just cause tyler got impatient or something idk man

fk

ok

like

i dont want to say like
"why do creature and xy not post I NEED THEM TO POST" but honestly its the truth

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the only thing i can say for 100% certainty rn is that jake is just wrong

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cant read lurkers for shit man : |

because i never lurk as scum and i can never understand the motivation behind lurking as scum so its just so weird to me
the fact that xy comes in here and doesnt try to save face AT ALL and has barely addressed it has gotten to the point where i think he really does feel so awkward to talk about it because he doesnt want to give a reaction

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WHY WOULD A GF DO WHAT HE DID

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if what world does someone claim cop because they know they have a cop inno on them?!

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It's a good wagon.

agreed

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No one's gonna lynch you lol

But seriously xy if you're town you have to say more than that

someone hammer
or wait for the claim
idc

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):

sorry for your loss Jake

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I've gotta admit, I've kind of had most of my energy drained from me in this game, and I've not been nearly as active or attentive for much of it as a result; I've been somewhat sick for about 2 weeks now, and I've also been dealing with some really bad personal things that have taken away a lot of my motivation, and on top of that, there was a period where every single time I returned to the thread there were 5-10 new pages, which hasn't really been great for my ability to meaningfully focus on this game. if I happen to live, I'll definitely be trying harder as I get back to normalcy, but I just wanted to apologize for my significantly lower contributions to the game lately. I think those factors are part of what's making me look scummy right now, which is obviously bad for me, but in general it's just bad for the game as well, so I'm sorry my real life issues have been getting in the way of the game lately.

I'm sorry to hear about the personal things. But if you really are town, you need to stop lurking. Because you went from wall stuff to nothing. And you don't always need to post wall stuff. And the face all you've done so far is this null-analysis is really hard on the town, because you aren't engaging anyone. It may be in your best interest to replace out, regardless of your alignment anyways.

VOTE: Creature

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1. Yes, and I was really gunning for Dunn's lynch in my initial post because of the sheer convenience of his cop claim. (With a BG dead, my role is significantly more likely.) It was safe to "clear" a mostly confirmed town, and it outted the doctor. However, other people's reactions to his gambit covered my feelings, so I erased it. I still really don't like him, and if anything, I want him lynched cause it would provide more information, and since GF isn't blacklisted, it's a pretty safe call that he should be lynched before lylo.

There's a really weird thought I've been having that I want to toss around re:Dunn's stuff.

Let's assume Dunn was scum. Then he'd have to be GF. His initial reaction was "GF is blacklisted, so I don't even see what you're saying." Initially, this bugged me because I didn't know GF was blacklisted. And thought, maybe Dunn had extra information / had done research and stuff because it was his role. But now I'm thinking, if Dunn was scum, his best argument BEING GF and knowing GF ISN'T blacklisted was "Hey no, GF is blacklisted." Which would a) be a really shitty play in terms of fairness and sportsmanship (trying to deceive based on false rules) and I doubt he would do that but also b) why would his main argument be something that will easily be refuted and something he knows is not true?

I just don't think scumDunn knowing that GF isn't blacklisted (because it is his role) would use that as a defence.

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can we please agree on a lynch tho if we kno lynch that would just

suck

a lot

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* no

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It's not lurking when the game hasn't changed since you last posted

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It's not lurking when the game hasn't changed since you last posted

Talking about overall game, not just past few pages. 2/90 pages of posts is pretty poor.

I wasn't talking about XY. He is lurking. I was talking about the last few pages.

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Any thoughts on scum just lurking? ie, Bins? Jaack? (kind of) Tyler?

I meant in response to this

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Creatures intent to hammer was awkward as fuck

As Dunn pointed out when it happened
Creature made a really strange switch in reads quickly
Almost like "oh ya he's fucked gotta scumread"

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Intent to hammer

Going with Dunnstral for this one.

Take out Bins and put xyzzy in that list.

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1)I can't believe you changed anime jazz hands. on the other hand Ibuki is pretty great.

2)I agree:

VOTE: Jaack

Scummy post

Ehhh, I don't think xyzzy is the last scum in light of creature's flip. Creature was willing to hammer xyzzy, and I don't think that makes much sense, particularly since the last scum is most likely a PR, since town had a cop and means of protection for said cop.

I guess that leaves tool or tyler. Will have to investigate some more.

Not as scummy post

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Basically ditto @ tool but I'm at work so no effort from me

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Jake, because I was hoping scum would roleblock Jake and kill TOF.

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Basically who else would I target

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Dunn is not scum

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Unless they really wanted to fuck everything except Dunn's towniness to win them the game

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Been working late these past few days gonna look at stuff tmmr

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Okay, I lied. I'm gonna say I like a xy lynch and a Jaack lynch equally. But I'm undecided/don't really care who goes first.

I'm just gonna play the worst scenarios out right now.

We lynch xy and he's town. TOF dies (confTown).
We lynch Jaack and he's town. Dunn or I die.

Either way Tool/Tyler is LYLO and Dunn and I are going to have to make that awful decision and I'm really not sure on who I would pick over the other. Either way, this isn't something to worry about until tomorrow. I feel like Tool would play a logical scum. As in, never using faulty logic to save a member (like how he saw the Ira claim as better than the H_A one, or how he responded to the Robert claim, or how he responded to Dunn). But then again ALSO, Tyler would of done a better job of distancing / wouldn't of went with town reading Keyser. I don't think scumTyler would have been so "Keyser was preeeetty town guys" if he were scum. Of course that's better than saying "Creature is town, guys." But eh. I don't know. I really hope we don't have to get to that decision.

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Dunn or I die.

I could also be completely wrong about this. Super hypothetical right now on worst case in my POV.

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The main problem posts I have with Jaack:

tl:dr version - there virtually has to be scum in <dunn, creaure, jaack>. If we lynch from that pool until we get scum, we will most likely win.

Is it likely he would just straight up name the remaining scum team (which includes himself)?

Between creature and xyzzy, I believe xyzzy is probably more likely to be scum but that creature's flip will provide us with more info either way.

I hate the "this flip will provide more info tho" when it comes to association. It's so half-ass distancing.

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I think Keyser and Creature are pretty key here to figuring this out. We know that Keyser hefty bussed H_A. But Keyser also hefty interacted with xy and also pushed Jaack at the beginning.

"Moderate suspicion:

Robert2424
Zachstralkita

Mild suspicion:

Floof

toolenduso

Jake from State Farm

Good feelings on:
Dunnstral"

Man, Keyser would make sure to bus the fuck out of H_A but left his leftover partner out of this?

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Tyler/Tool - They haven't done anything particularly scummy/indicative, their general motivation looks good so far.
xyzzy - Kind of liked him D1. Haven't done much D2 or D3 to get a read from.
Jaack - Should say, his pushes are pretty terrible.
Bins - I dislike her posts since D1. Her claim is a coincidence, which makes me think she could be some kind of mafia PR.
Dunnstral

Alright. So here are the questions I get from this.
1) Would he pair his partner up with someone else and then just say "null lol"?
2) The reads on both Jaack and xy are terrible. But is he more likely to scumread them or townread them in this position?
3) Would he just not put a read for his partner?

Feeling pretty confident both scum are on Dunnstral/Jaack/Bins.

I think this makes Jaack look worse.

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So do you want to vote jaack instead or what

no I guess I'll hammer

I was just killing time waiting for a better response from xy, but I'm gonna guess there's not a high chance that happens.

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The fact scum doesn't have a Roleblocker (likely, but unsure still, just because they didn't target me with it)... makes this seem incredibly townsided. Even if they did have a roleblocker, it feels townsided. Just throwing it out there while it is unlikely, hey four scum is possible.

Anyways, Jaack can have his last words but I'm gonna guess it's gonna be along the lines of "lynch... Dunn..."

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I don't want to say I like xy's response, but I don't dislike it. The one he made earlier was what made me relook everything because I liked this one. This one right now is just eh.

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I've gotta admit, I've kind of had most of my energy drained from me in this game, and I've not been nearly as active or attentive for much of it as a result; I've been somewhat sick for about 2 weeks now, and I've also been dealing with some really bad personal things that have taken away a lot of my motivation, and on top of that, there was a period where every single time I returned to the thread there were 5-10 new pages, which hasn't really been great for my ability to meaningfully focus on this game. if I happen to live, I'll definitely be trying harder as I get back to normalcy, but I just wanted to apologize for my significantly lower contributions to the game lately. I think those factors are part of what's making me look scummy right now, which is obviously bad for me, but in general it's just bad for the game as well, so I'm sorry my real life issues have been getting in the way of the game lately.

this one^


wait nvm what I said about 4 scum I forgot Jake was macho

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honestly tyler could be scum

man i could make a good argument for everyone but TOF at this point

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well tbh it is fair in terms of associations and how you acted with the creature lynch v. the other ones and how you just left it to "keyser was ok tho" and then you know the mispush on floof and stuff. idk man.

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sry my bad I've been having a bit of a medical scare so I'm kind of all over the place / not really here in my head

I honestly don't know what to add without getting paranoid.
Part of me wants to say that I believe Jaack's reaction more than I do xy's now but ugh. I'm just worried. I'm glad you guys are looking at other people to.

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imma hammer then

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before xy can come in and change my mind

VOTE: xy

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what the fuck scum

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this is like some serious fucking mindgames but i'm gonna go with the fact that

1) dunn was on point
2) i was really wrong so they want me in lylo
3) TOF is super wrong and they don't fear him
4) this is all WIFOM

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TOF is conftown tho.



I wanna say scum feels good leaving TOF alive cause they can swing his reads one way.

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Also I targeted tool and got nothing

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I'm literally going to cry myself to sleep if I have to choose between Tool and Tyler.

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I think in LYLO I'd vote Tyler over Tool.

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lmfao ircher is GF game is fucked

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yeah I'm joking

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idk yet i'd like tyler to say something

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Ughhhhhhhhh I'll look at this after Father's Day.

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I feel like HA is a good lynch. But I feel like it's a tad fast to lynch right now and I kinda want to sleep on this and come back and look at it with a fresher eye tomorrow. So in the meantime I'd like to ask for no hammers on H_A just yet. And certainly don't do it without getting a claim out of him first.

This doesn't look like a scumpost. Too obvious.

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I wanna say that my read on Tyler/suspicions on Tyler are very different from my suspicions on Tool. Which is true.

Tyler set up the Floof lynch. He led it. Which is interesting now that xy flipped town, because now I can't call it a counterwagon. Come to think of it, Keyser was completely MIA during the zakk v. xy lynch choice battle. That was completely town game except for one person. Anyways, beside the point. Tyler's read on Keyser also bugs the fuck out of me and I think that's the main reason. Because it's the only reason, that's why it's paranoia. He said Keyser was "pretty town tho" when looking @ Creature. Which seems like a v. likely buddy stance to take.

Tool is the opposite. Tool has done nothing I would deem incorrect in terms of logic. While Tyler's logic now seems to be opportunistic/scum driven/buddying, Tool always seemed very... logical. However, he was very MIA during a lot of the major stuff. I feel Tool and I aligned on a lot of stuff. But the reason I'm paranoid of Tool... is exactly that. I'm only townreading Tool because of what he has done. Not his tone, his mannerisms, his presence. All of that feels very null to me.

I don't want to say I don't think Jaack is scum. Jaack is also a very different paranoia. Jaack has been completely illogical and opportunistic this entire game. But his tone was very bold. Very unflattering when he would have been evidently bussing or trying to save H_A by going after Robert.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents. I know this LYLO is unavoidable if it happens.

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1) hammer looks towny, why?

He showed intent, but didn't show much hesitance in his hammer, like I would expect scum to go "Can I hammer?"

2) robert is literally confirmed town so good job

Yep, sorry. Still wanted to add a comment on.

3) tool and i are different people thanks

Like I said, I didn't see anything particularly scummy, just a gut read.

4) that's not really true at all? everyone posted more day 1 than day 2 or 3 and xy has posted readable content on all of those days - which way is your read leaning?

I am currently seeing xyzzy as town.

5) all of his pushes? which ones? why?

Not all of his pushes, I disliked 673, he says his plan was to lynch Robert but decides to lynch h_a first, but in his next post he changes his vote to Robert.

6) what does "her claim is coincidence" mean precisely? Like you're saying she's scum because her results were easy to give? why can't that also be true if she's town

That can, but why can't that also be true if she's scum? I don't liker her behavior at all.

6/6 of these reads seem fake to me

This wasn't a very well thought read. I got time now.

One thing I do note is just how little voting Keyser did in this game.

Well, despite the lack of votes, he was genuinely pushing in D1. He can be considered passive at D2, the way he was focused on h_a posts points he wanted to scum hunt by association.

And how low-activity he was too.

Low-activity isn't very accurate, he could be busy or just not in a good mood to play mafia game. Seeing he stated he would replace out if he didn't finish his post, I believe it must be one of it.

That does go against what I remember of his town game,

Would like to see that game.

and Creature's entrance today fits scum very well.

How did you reach to that conclusion?

I am thinking atm that if Creature flips scum then Jaack would be less likely to be partner -- in which case I think I'd be looking at xyzzy based on PoE.

And if I don't?

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This is too much. Ircher, if you are in LYLO, I hope you really go through the posts Tool makes when he votes Creature and the way Tyler talks about/approaches Creature. I really do think Tyler is more likely to be scum than Tool... by a big margin. And if Tool is scum, this is really well played by him. But I have never underestimated Tool's scumgame.

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My full results were

N1 Robert was investigated
N2 Dunn was investigated
N3 Jake was killed
N4 Nothing on Tool

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This isn't the way you should be talking if you're town in this scenario.

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Talking about how obvtown you are. That's exactly what I would do as scum in this situation.

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I think I'm leaning Jaack again too.

VOTE: Jaack

No need to prolong this. The stress will come if tomorrow exists.

[Bins]

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Ok I'm going to be out of town/partially VLA until Sunday

Please make 5000 word essay on why I should vote the other person

[Bins]

town

[Bins]

fuuuuck me no faith

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I love all this:

didn't like his questions in 34 and 40

the purpose isn't immediately clear

like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town

if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place

I could not see the town motivation/tone of xyzzy's questions (then he later backs down from his line of reasoning).
post 34, post 40 - IMO, they are non-questions (

forced early scum-hunting

)

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Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

OK, but here's the thing though. Take a look at Keyser's early-game posts in this game.

I'm not gonna give him a pass or anything just yet, and actually I want to go through his ISO here in a minute, but I am approaching this with the knowledge that: A) People were suspicious of Keyser early in that game too, and B) Eventually he became pretty obvtown.

oh shit

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Finally, my reads so far

Spoiler: Jack

First off, I found it so strange that so many people read Jack so early on as scum or town based on his vote in post 13 against Robert. I think anyone voting him as an easy vote at the beginning makes for possible scum players, (Keyser, tool, floof for example), not that I'm saying that one of them HAVE to be scum. As for Jack, I don't have enough information yet from him to really say for me what he is, but for now I'm leaning on town.

Spoiler: Robert

Robert has been really inactive as well, and I don't have a read. If what bins said in 239 is true about mafia being quiet this game, it could be a reason why

Spoiler: Bins

239You've been relatively quiet too this game.
38 States that being super townie is your scum game. Now we know to expect that if Bins is mafia, she won't be super townie in this game. And maybe even if a super townie posts accidentally jumbles in, it gives more cause to her being scum.
177I feel like mafia use excuses like this more often than town. So what you haven't played for a year. Isn't playing mafia like riding a bike? Saying you haven't played for awhile so refamiliarizing yourself is similar to mafia tactic of acting more like a newbie or taking advantage to being a newbie so scummy posts can get away by having players think, oh he's just a newbie doesn't know what he's doing.
On a whole, I'm pushing Bins onto my scum side of the spectrum for now

Spoiler: xyzzy

I'm thinking town at this point. More of a gut feeling. There have been quite a few posts done that seems to be generally seeking more information from players and challenging players on their spots and it just feels pro town to me

Spoiler: tyler

vote:xyzzy

guess why im voting this

Still confused about what you meant by this. Were you assuming that we though it obvious why you voted thus?
First assumption is that Tyler is town. Also a gut choice. He does seem to think Jack is town and has some doubt on Bins like me, so with common thoughts, I'll put him as town for now.

Spoiler: Toolenduso

As you might have guess from my Jack reading, I have a little suspicion towards tool. Also like Keyser, posts clarifying posts but lacks giving some original content to help town.

Spoiler: Zach

My vote stays on Zach for now.
70 "Also, I'm certain you guys aren't aware of this, but I have a mental power thing like I can see into people's hearts with my mind. Like a scouter for your soul. I have the intuition of a reincarnated something. Sure, It's natural to be skeptical, but expect me to make a definite solid statement on the true identity of the scumteam at some point and be super right. Maybe today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe 19 days from now. Maybe in 5 minutes." I find this a scummy post. Obviously trying to have some fun with the game, but also poking fun around the the time limit and not giving definite times. This type of joking is something I've seen other mafia and myself do as scum.
146Why are you so eager to get Dunn on the wagon? I think that Dunnstral's line of thinking could be considered a threat to the mafia and would want him destroyed

@Zach What's all this shade getting thrown my way without really saying anything of value

You're scum.

Refuses to give explanation of vote other than "He is scum". Voting people without evidence hurts town.

There's not much to say at this point, you lynch him, he flips scum, yay, you lynch him, he flips town, you lynch me.


More likely: You lynch me, I die, no one does anything about Dunnstral following this.

I vote the last option. If we are wrong and you are townie, than we can go after Dunn.

Spoiler: Floof

Also a suspect of mafia for voting Jack. There hasn't been any more substantial reading from Floof to get more of an opinion.

Spoiler: Jake

246Asks people to not use lists because it helps the mafia out too much and doesn’t help the town. If this is an earnest request, then it makes Jake town, whether or not people agree with him on his opinion of read lists

read on tyler is worse, i think

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Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

OK, but here's the thing though. Take a look at Keyser's early-game posts in this game.

I'm not gonna give him a pass or anything just yet, and actually I want to go through his ISO here in a minute, but I am approaching this with the knowledge that: A) People were suspicious of Keyser early in that game too, and B) Eventually he became pretty obvtown.

I don't see how an RVS from another game has anything to do with reading how he plays as scum or town. And why did he become pretty obvtown? Just by posting a lot of commentary of what others were saying?

damn some mastermind threeway scumpiracy

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This is a good narrative on iraonavp's voting behaviour:

ira:

-Ostensibly, ira treated the game like it was RVS until #198, because when people gave him flak for his Keyser vote his defense was that he was trying to build a wagon to get out of RVS. Fair enough. But in that same post he votes Bins, right after Dunn begins pushing for a Bins wagon. It's the same MO as when he voted for Keyser, basically, but at this point he's putting reasoning behind it. So it kind of all comes together to look like ira was floating along trying to look active, then got criticized for it and came up with an excuse (I'm trying to get out of RVS) but also tried to escape the criticism by going to the next viable wagon he could find (Bins). It's worth noting that ira says he didn't know Dunn was voting Bins (#256).
-He switches back to Keyser in #257. He has reasoning, and I do follow it logically, but it should be noted that it happens amid pressure for his Bins vote, and in the process of switching to Keyser he distances himself from the Bins vote.

I like post 282 as a whole alot, including toolenduso's expression of his reads of xyzzy and Jaack (healthy paranoia + re-checking his positions continually) i.e townie-mindset.

Would like to do Bins, Zach and Tyler next.

Please - more of the same mate

just keep quoting

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Also kind of interested in this:

VOTE: H_A

Actually thinking about it this needs to post more.

Actually
UNVOTE:
VOTE: heuristically_alone

Ira is more scummy, but I would like to see some pressure on this player.

@floof: why specifically go after H_A to get him to post more? He's not among the least active players in this game. Why not try to get somebody like Robert to post more?
@jaack: Why did you want pressure on H_A specifically?

would be an odd defence

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I feel like HA is a good lynch. But I feel like it's a tad fast to lynch right now and I kinda want to sleep on this and come back and look at it with a fresher eye tomorrow. So in the meantime I'd like to ask for no hammers on H_A just yet. And certainly don't do it without getting a claim out of him first.

i think i said before this looked good for tool imo

too obvious

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on pg 21

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tbh this is the hardest lylo ive ever been in

and to make myself feel better im going to drink a bit and say that you both played very well
especially which ever one of you is scum

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you guys have been equal to me this whole fucking game well played

jesus why did i let this happen

even creature made you guys equal
his posts he made to the both of you were the same pretty much
he read you the same

i read you the same like "eh town but the paranoia might get to me sooner or later"

i'm probably going to end up voting for tool jfc

[Bins]

omg i should be keeping score here

[Bins]

im gonna find a post by one of you that couldnt possibly been said by scum

pls submit ur responses

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Votecount 6.01

Not Voting

: toolenduso, Tyler the Creator, Bins

With three alive, it takes two to lynch

Note: This will be the only votecount for today.

hey modman how much time do i have before tick tick tick BOOM

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fuck im gonna be vla for four days and im still stuck

[Bins]

i dont have anything to ask either of you today

I wanna look at the stuff when you werent aware youd be in a lylo death match

The stuff both of you have done today is equal to me

[Bins]

Ok 20 more pages weeee

[Bins]

VLA until Monday.

Sigh. I will have no way of posting. Middle of nowhere with no internet or service.

[Bins]

agh fuck on my vacation i completely forgot about this game and it was so peaceful

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kinda felt keyser was sorta shadowing me a bit early on but he's towned up

the position of this post is really weird

H_A is about to get roped because of ira's claim and then tyler is talking talking but then all of a sudden he says this randomly

idk if he would do that about a partner

[Bins]

Gonna save my response to HA's claim explanation for my next post.

why wait

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i kinda just wanna lynch ha before we out all our roles lmao

tbh this seems genuine man gj

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my take is that i don't like roberts play but i can't remember the last time scum misread their role pm whereas town do it once in a while

im torn

tbh just the fact that tyler was hesistant about robert's claim defending H_A is pretty good

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Im not lying. That's what the pm said.

To be absolutely 100% clear here, your role PM says that you are a "weak townie"?

I didn't see the point of a modifier other then to screw me. This is as far as I can tell is the first time playing with zuffy as the MOD. So I don't think he did it to screw me as I don't know him, so why is it in the game? If two protective roles are truly in the game, it makes more sense. If not, why for sake of balancing have the modifier? If you can come up with a theory that makes sense I'll listen, but 2 protective roles makes sense behind the reasoning of giving me this silly modifier. Or anybody for that Matter.

OK, but as far as I can tell, all this logic applies if town has

one

protective role as well. So why did you think, upon seeing two claims of protective roles, that your role made the other two make sense?

this however i guess could be scum going like

"heyo here's the only chance we have to save h_a's ass and it ain't even us doing it"

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unvote;
vote:robert

now this is a weird move at this point so i dont even kno

[Bins]

I don't really understand why it would make more sense to have a macho role with two protective town PRs than with one protective town PR.

damn

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jesus this is so fuckng back and forth

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I feel like heuristically_alone is more likely to be town-aligned than not

...and which one of his caught-scum troll posts he's posted since you counterclaimed him caused you to change your mind?

i didnt really see troll posts ugh

but i dont know

voting robert makes tyler look bad but idk thats a pretty obvious CW vote if it is one
maybe too obvious. but the justification of it looked sort of defensive idk.

also "i'd still support a h_a lynch tho" looks too obvious to be bussing as well

tool's "The amount and structure of resistance to lynching HA makes me continually comfortable with the lynch. And regardless of his flip, we will have a lot more evidence to look at tomorrow than we've had for most of today."

looks more bus-y

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a lot of these next few posts is tyler ignoring dunn's points about keyser and anything about keyser starting D2

but then tool is throwing a lean town read on keyser starting D2

ugh

[Bins]

glad keyser decided to stick around

hMMM

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Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

OK, but here's the thing though. Take a look at Keyser's early-game posts in this game.

I'm not gonna give him a pass or anything just yet, and actually I want to go through his ISO here in a minute, but I am approaching this with the knowledge that: A) People were suspicious of Keyser early in that game too, and B) Eventually he became pretty obvtown.

I don't see how an RVS from another game has anything to do with reading how he plays as scum or town. And why did he become pretty obvtown? Just by posting a lot of commentary of what others were saying?

no matter what tyler says tho this is such a fucking weird interaction

"oh hey keyser is scum (heheh im bussing)"
"no partner! take a look at reasons why our partner isn't scum!!"
"partner u r stupid there is nothing here that means anything"

jesus

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im bored

unvote
vote:xyzzy

man this is so not the scum vote here

[Bins]

As long as we're waiting on a Keyser replacement I suppose it would be a good time to examine whatever Dunn and bins are talking about. It occurs to me that my read on that slot has been based a lot on a couple of posts.

ou ou
out of the blue

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on p 62

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Xyzzy looks worst to me. The problem is that now I don't have a strong second candidate for scum. I kinda want to revisit what Bins was saying about Keyser.

SURE YOU DO BUBBO

I find it odd that tool never really gave a strong read on Keyser it was always just posts like "Gonna see what Dunn/Bins are saying about Keyser" but then he never did.

i am back and am v drunk so I might not do this for long

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ugh this cop claim shit zz

aw man tyler looks so town in this


all really trying to figure this shit out

what a guy

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sidenote; creature has posted since replacing in but has given zero content

hm

[Bins]

it's creature/jaack

game has been cracked

ou

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Also I looked back at what Dunn and Bins were talking about re: Keyserslot. Especially seeing which players we've narrowed things down to, I can buy the narrative of a daychat-planned bus between partners. The slot isn't at the top of my list atm, but let's remember my tool from earlier -- if we find the second scum, we can use their actions re: HA's claim to find the third scum.

oh he did actually

this response doesn't satisfy me sadly

mmm yea creatures probably scum

no mercy right away

bus bus bus?
or gj tyler

man would tyler go this hard on creature

I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.

thing is im isoing keyser and calling his push on ha bussing is sorta hard to swallow

tyler was too relaxed to be saying this as scum eh
maybe?

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I was gonna do a comprehensive VCA and then I realized just how many votecounts there were. Tyler's approach of selective VCA is better, although I am still not understanding why xyzzy having more voters unflipped makes them town.

Did a quick little alt-view of the votes instead:

Spoiler: Individual votes

-Keyser/Creature: Jaack (55),

HA

(297),

Dunn

(1865)
-xyzzy: Jaack (7),

Zachstral

(89),

zakk

(852)
-Tyler: xyzzy (46),

ira

(109),

Robert

(628),

HA

(670),

zakk

(737), xyzzy (1308), jaack (1803)
-Jaack:

HA

(5),

Robert

(13),

ira

(66),

HA

(358),

ira

(480),

Robert

(616),

HA

(673),

Robert

(708), xyzzy (1011),

zakk

(1217), xyzzy (1322),

Desmond

(1517), xyzzy (1620),

Dunn

(1700)

One thing I do note is just how little voting Keyser did in this game. And how low-activity he was too. That does go against what I remember of his town game, and Creature's entrance today fits scum very well. I am thinking atm that if Creature flips scum then Jaack would be less likely to be partner -- in which case I think I'd be looking at xyzzy based on PoE.

(that's because of the scum-acting-together idea I had wrt to HA's claim -- Keyserslot voted HA without hesitation after HA's claim and didn't go for Robert, whereas Tyler did go for Robert. Ergo, Creature/Tyler is not as likely a scumteam as Creature/Xyzzy)

And somebody (think it was tyler) made a good point about Jaack's ballsiness throughout the game. He's gone for basically everything it would be convenient for scum to go for -- Robert after he made one bad post to open the game, Robert again when he messed up his macho claim, Dunn when he gambited. It seems a little brazen for scum, and while I can see scum doing it...well, it goes back to what I talked about at the beginning of the game, where there was this feeling that scum just wasn't doing a whole lot. It'd make sense for scum to have a lot of low-key players, and Jaack hasn't been low-key.

So basically the more I think about it the more I think Creature is a good lynch today.

VOTE: Creature

That's L-2

ok so like

i was using this as my reason for thinking tool was town

but then i realized something

the only big post/cases tool made in the game.. gee there weren't a lot of them
this post is so out of place now that i'm looking at tool's other posts eh

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yea no sorry guys this needs to go first

vote:xyzzy

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You had jaack as 3rd and now it seems he's moved up and xy moved down.

Nope.

And sorry, but I don't think there's a reason to keep talking about the Dunn thing with you. You're not going to change your mind. Nothing against you, I just think you're wrong and I don't like posting about the same stuff when it doesn't matter. I'll talk with TOF about it.

And I'm now realizing that with TOF leaning toward Dunn I think xyzzy is the only person widely scumread enough to get lynched today. And there is utility in lynching xyzzy before Creature because if xyzzy flips scum then I think we could move on from the possibility of Tyler being scum. Whereas if we were to lynch Creature and he flipped scum, I would not want to lynch Jaack but other people still would.

VOTE: xyzzy

noting this

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Shit sorry Jake. Best wishes.

I'm not sure if Creature is more likely to happen than xyzzy. Things might change with Jake's replacement, who knows.

VOTE: Creature

I might take a closer look at what xyzzy and TOF wrote, like later. I am pretty buzzed rn now tbh.

jesus fuck this is town

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Well, will you lynch Dunn or Jaack tomorrow?

really sucks when people replace in and don't do anything

i mean this game was really, really fun for a good while there - now i don't know if we're imploding or if everything i know is a lie

and the original players here, me bins dunn and jaack i suppose are gonna care more about the game obviously but

how much is it to ask to play the game you signed up for?

you don't really even need to read the thread, honestly, just jump in and interact, lord knows we were all active before the apathy bit everyone in the neck

a no lynch would be catastrophic - but xyzzy is flipping scum - creature is only

maybe flipping scum

i don't know why we moved on from xyzzy

ill be around if someone wants to chat

am i supposed to think this is town

[Bins]

my heartstrings have been pulled on

vote:jaack

to change your vote or to just stay quiet?

[Bins]

fml

vote:tool

don't really see myself voting bins today

legit time difference noted


ok im fucking sleeping geegee

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I'm assuming I'm getting an extension because of the crash even tho Zulfy PM'D me in the fallout shelter to pick. :'(

[Bins]

ok
i wanna reiterate good fkn job guys because whichever one of you is scum clearing did some planning and voted their buddies even when another lynch was inevitable

[Bins]

tool is right

tool has made some really town PLAYS this game
while tyler has made some really town posts vibe-wise

i think i'm going to vote tool now no takesiebacksies :/

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Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

OK, but here's the thing though. Take a look at Keyser's early-game posts in this game.

I'm not gonna give him a pass or anything just yet, and actually I want to go through his ISO here in a minute, but I am approaching this with the knowledge that: A) People were suspicious of Keyser early in that game too, and B) Eventually he became pretty obvtown.

I don't see how an RVS from another game has anything to do with reading how he plays as scum or town. And why did he become pretty obvtown? Just by posting a lot of commentary of what others were saying?

no matter what tyler says tho this is such a fucking weird interaction

"oh hey keyser is scum (heheh im bussing)"
"no partner! take a look at reasons why our partner isn't scum!!"
"partner u r stupid there is nothing here that means anything"

jesus

dis post still tho

tool if ur scum that's like fkn genius

[Bins]

JESUS TOOL WHY IS YOUR META LITERALLY IDENTICAL

[Bins]

I love all this:

didn't like his questions in 34 and 40

the purpose isn't immediately clear

like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town

if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place

I could not see the town motivation/tone of xyzzy's questions (then he later backs down from his line of reasoning).
post 34, post 40 - IMO, they are non-questions (

forced early scum-hunting

)

ayayay

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This is a good narrative on iraonavp's voting behaviour:

ira:

-Ostensibly, ira treated the game like it was RVS until #198, because when people gave him flak for his Keyser vote his defense was that he was trying to build a wagon to get out of RVS. Fair enough. But in that same post he votes Bins, right after Dunn begins pushing for a Bins wagon. It's the same MO as when he voted for Keyser, basically, but at this point he's putting reasoning behind it. So it kind of all comes together to look like ira was floating along trying to look active, then got criticized for it and came up with an excuse (I'm trying to get out of RVS) but also tried to escape the criticism by going to the next viable wagon he could find (Bins). It's worth noting that ira says he didn't know Dunn was voting Bins (#256).
-He switches back to Keyser in #257. He has reasoning, and I do follow it logically, but it should be noted that it happens amid pressure for his Bins vote, and in the process of switching to Keyser he distances himself from the Bins vote.

I like post 282 as a whole alot, including toolenduso's expression of his reads of xyzzy and Jaack (healthy paranoia + re-checking his positions continually) i.e townie-mindset.

Would like to do Bins, Zach and Tyler next.

Please - more of the same mate

nvm null

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i have the whole explanation post typed up where i vote tool

FUUUUUCK MAN ):

[Bins]

i feel wrong but i know i would feel wrong no matter what ok

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As you might have guess from my Jack reading, I have a little suspicion towards tool. Also like Keyser, posts clarifying posts but lacks giving some original content to help town.

this is literally it

the one fucking post that makes me doubt myself


everything else i can just say oh he was just faking it


but fuck man

[Bins]

fuck it
gg tyler

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fuck ok last rant

but just good fucking job cause i'm at the point where mafia isn't even breakable anymore
anything either of you could of done could of been fake-able because tyler could of been just faking his stupid obvtown bla bla bs but then tool could literally be faking everything because the guy is fucking good at this game

and the only reason now that i'm voting tool
is because tyler was the guy that was there with me figuring shit out while tool was just saying "i'll be here soon bb to come look at what you said."

tool if you're scum your play was really good but

if you're town please try to be more active

the main reason i'm voting you now is because you literally only popped up to say obvious shit / logical stuff and were missing for everything else / kept pulling that "i'm doing shit, will post it all later" crap as town you gotta know that makes you look bad

you fooled me here:
- that fucking meta shit with keyser man that's just fucking weird but then again that's the only time you went out of your way to explain a read
i feel like the only time you went out of your way to explain a read was on both keyser and creature so damn
the main reason i have doubts about your alignment is because it felt like as scum you went out of your way to defend keyser and had a weird read on keyser but also kept mentioning how you were going to ISO keyser and see what we were saying and stuff which idk seems like an odd thing in your ISO

tyler if you're scum and you want to know where my doubts are with your play:
- your vote on robert after the h_a claim was fucking bad and totally obvious but to be fair it was so fucking obvious i can't believe it came from scum
- your read on keyser is a ditto ^ like it was such a scummy stance i'm just mind blown that you went that route but i'm fooled cause i don't think you would have been that obvious (i mean like your read on keyser justifying why you didn't think creature was scum)

i'm gonna be mad if i'm wrong but that's only because i called tyler scum on pg. 3 and i was right about keyser


VOTE: tool

if i'm wrong blame dunnstral i'm just doing what he said
but if i'm right this was all me


also gj to both h_a, creature and keyser for making tyler and tool fucking identical



lol still at the point where tyler is either obvtown or obvscum




town pls come in here and pity me thx


wanna know my biggest reason for doubting tool scum? H_A putting keyser in his read for tool. jfc.

[Bins]

lock it friends no twilight bs

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tbh i won't be mad either way; like tool's got a good scumgame and he had me fooled for a good part of the game

but all those hours of blood sweat and tears this entire town put into the game

all the replacements

all the macho claims

IT'S A PERUVIAN NIGHT CLUB LIVE A LITTLE

look at tool's day 1 interactions with both flipped scum; it's too much interaction too early and it's all overblown and awkwardly out of place about shit that town doesn't care about

this is my first 3 way

these are my final thoughts

amen and to all a good night

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nckxkskkcjcndmskckdmmsndnckzk

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thanks 4 modding Zulfy excuse me while I go die

[Bins]

And that's how you fake claim ladies and gentlemen......

your fake claim outed everyone and got two people to hard scum read you


yep

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you just made it a lot harder than it had to be

[Bins]

all gambits aren't bad in theory but then u cry when they fuck up

[Bins]

IS THAT WHY HIS READLIST WAS THE ONLY REASON I WAS TOWNREADING TOOL
OHCJDOSO


also the dead thread is hilarious
sorry for making you guys wait haha

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Basically I think this will come down to a gut decision from Bins. And I have absolutely no idea which way that would go. I'm not feeling all that confident ever since she said she'd probably vote me, but I mean yesterday she was saying Tyler was way scummier than me so it's still possible she changes her mind.

This is pretty much it.

I pretty much held my breath and realized Tyler was obvtown not obvscum. He was too good of a player to have made those moves as scum. And his thoughts were very good and clear as town. His tone in LYLO was also very town. My gut swayed me away from him then.

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Also, I ended up meta-ing tool and read A Song of Ice and Fire Mafia and saw Tool wasn't afraid of voting his partners even when another lynch is already happening. I stopped looking at Tool's posts about creature after that and realized tool was capable of that level of scum play!

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Where will she vote? You'll never know!

Dead thread was entertaining. Glad I kept people on edge enough haha.