Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

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pleeeeeeeasssssuh

VOTE: dunn

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are you normally this "hey look at me trying so hard to look town"?

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are you normally this "hey look at me trying so hard to look town"?

Are you talking about Dunn?

It's more of a " hey look at me i think i know what I'm doing "

I don't think he's seriously trying to do anything but appear to be doing something.



I suppose that's your point.

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I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....

Not a fan of this post at all. Hesitant to vote on the first page? With literally the vaguest reason ever?

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VOTE: Robert2424

More vague could be just saying that he's voting for "reasons", so that isn't true.

I get you're trying to be cheeky, but I don't understand why you're derailing his point.

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That's not my point. I'm not talking about content and analysis.

You entered the game with a level of comfort that looked sort of like "hey look at me! scum would never post like this!" It's a strategy I use... to often as scum. That's why it struck me as odd.

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*too

oopsie

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hi hi i'm back

reading through now

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sorry ur gonna get a quote post per page because the site doesnt hold onto my quotes properly

You entered the game with a level of comfort that looked sort of like "hey look at me! scum would never post like this!" It's a strategy I use... to often as scum. That's why it struck me as odd.

Fair point, kind of.
"level of comfort"? Should I be spazzing out and telling everyone I'm town

Uh, no that's kind of what I felt like you were doing.

It was either really scummy (hence the vote) or really town (as in, you're actually comfortable because you're really are town but you're just slightly awkward about it).

And to be clear, I know you aren't being serious in your first few posts. Like I get they're jokes.

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You entered the game with a level of comfort that looked sort of like "hey look at me! scum would never post like this!" It's a strategy I use... to often as scum.

I did not get that vibe. Could you explain and point to an example?

Uh... like each post on the first page. It's more in the way he was saying things, responding to everything, acting all calm and cool. It felt forced. I'm not as sure rereading through it and considering the fact I'm still reading that tone in his posts even AFTER I pointed it out. I'm leaning more to it's just his posting style.

@bins - What are your thoughts on robert's first post

It's really not enough for me to get any off of. It was awkward, but that's about all I can really take from it. The lack of vote doesn't bug me that much.

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Bins disappeared like my town read on them

If you're really curious, I had an exam yesterday.





Sorry about the quadruple posting. I really am just super lazy.

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I don't know what side I'm on in the whole Keyser/Tyler vs. xyzzyz. I have a tendency to be paranoid of people who act like they know what they're doing. I disagreed with a few of Keyser's points, but his entry is solid and I find myself agreeing on the bigger points.

I liked xyzzyz's follow up in 89 a lot (the long post). I felt like he comfortably was able to explain himself and elaborate further on his earlier points.

I didn't like Tyler's entry. Who was the person who said they had a strong townread on him? I'd really like you to explain that.

It's his aura.

i c u u get me

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I didn't mean I concrete fight. I just meant some posts they tossed out saying they didn't like xyzzyz's posts.

It was like 99% Tyler, but I including Keyser because of like one post.

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XY, I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to switch my vote to. I just haven't read as in depth as I had liked. I pretty much skimmed and looked at the early stuff before I had to go to work.

My feelings have changed. If Dunn was mafia I feel like he would have dropped this "hey look how into this game I am" (I'm really trying to explain this as best I can) tone after being called out on it by 3 people. I'm curious about how he's actually going to push this "case" on me.

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I felt like the "guess why I'm voting this way" in #46 wasn't that great (it's kind of a leading question that just gets other people to answer for your actions), but that's the only thing I've specifically disliked.

This is why I didn't like his entry.

Other than that my read is mainly just paranoia because of what I mentioned. Very similar to the reason I was scumreading Dunn at first but less awkward. Very "I know what I'm doing, look at me".

The fact all I have is gut reads right now is mainly - yep I'm making an excuse - because I haven't played this game in a year and I've pretty much forgotten what to look for. Don't bug me about it.

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HEY ANOTHER ONTARIO SCUMMER

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sry I'm in bed but I got excited sry good night friends

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XY, I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to switch my vote to. I just haven't read as in depth as I had liked. I pretty much skimmed and looked at the early stuff before I had to go to work.

My feelings have changed. If Dunn was mafia I feel like he would have dropped this "hey look how into this game I am" (I'm really trying to explain this as best I can) tone after being called out on it by 3 people. I'm curious about how he's actually going to push this "case" on me.

I don't think that is a good reason to think that Dunnstral is town-aligned. If I was using that metric to read Dunnstral I would invert it and call him scum-aligned for it, but I think the best thing to do is ignore it.

I think you are focusing excessively on this non-alignment-indicative aspect of Dunnstral's play because you are scum-aligned and your attempts to read players are fake.

VOTE: Bins

I don't understand & I don't like how you worded that last sentence.

I don't understand how tone isn't alignment indicative.

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Like the whole "if I was using that metric I would scum read him" is such a weird POV, don't you think? Anyways, agree to disagree that Dunn would drop it. Like I said, the fact Dunn is now comfortable pushing me in the way he currently is doesn't seem like scum to me. I interpreted his earlier posts incorrectly, and now I'm seeing it really is just a weird vibe in the way he posts. He's continuing to jump around like "Look at me! No fear!" and that's no longer scummy to me. If he flipped scum, I'd be impressed he was able to keep his tone like that.

UNVOTE: dunn

Dunn, I'm passive because I grew more unsure of my read on you. I fail to see how that's not a normal approach.

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it seems off mostly because it's a scum post

I actually really like this post. Just where it is.



Sorry on mobile this is worse than Mac for triple posting

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I like Keyser's commentary on reasoning behind other people's reads, that's a pretty deep thing to look into and on the harder side of things to fake as scum.


I had a reason for leaning town on Ira. Have to go find the post.

Either way I'm at the point where I have too many town reads and might just vote a silent person.

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No, I lied I can't find it. Dkm.

Reading through most of his posts actually bugged me.


VOTE: irao

Pedit lol I'm not sure if this redeems me oops

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Usually if I see a person make a post I cannot see coming from scum I shove them into my town pile and in my notes I had done that with Ira but I honestly can't figure out why and reading through his ISO I feel pretty awful

Like at first when he derailed the question w/ Jaack (i think I commented on this)

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Just the way he tries to continuously dismantle suspicion on himself by explaining himself very "Yep. This is how it is. Lmfao, back off now." (as you can see I have a Ph.D. in explaining)

VOTE: iraonavp
Voting someone who hasn't even talked

like the mafia

This isn't an rvs vote, this is an actual read and its' not changing for the rest of the day

Robert2424 has talked, though.

This is so null but so not null at the same time if u kno what i mean

I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....

Not a fan of this post at all. Hesitant to vote on the first page? With literally the vaguest reason ever?

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VOTE: Robert2424

More vague could be just saying that he's voting for "reasons", so that isn't true.

Like I mentioned b4 pointless dismantle
Like this is how you just ruin a point by mentioned something that isn't really relevant
"Like hey but he could have been MORE VAGUE so.............. ur wrong lets discount your post."

I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up

Same.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

This is an aweful vote

What?

I'm town-aligned, but how are my posts dumb?

vote:iraonavp

Why are you voting for me?

I am town-aligned.

this is what I was saying as my first point

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Guys I feel hyped up I finally feel something again

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Yeah, definitely not joining the bins wagon now... while I think dunn's argument has merit, I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.

Pedit-Tyler is right, 210 is a bad post.

Pedit x2-but ira votes are good votes. Still have mixed feelings for bins.

Tool voted me?

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I see this now - what's your read on tool?

Scum, but not super scum. Probably my no 2 scum read after ira, but definately an order of magnitude less scum than ira.

Did not like 210 for the "I'm gonna vote a lurker cause you're all so town" aspect. Looked like bins recognized he was about to do something scummy and decided to butter us up with townreads to make us ignore his scumminess.

Methinks a townie would have just voted for a lurker.

I actually do think scum is being quiet right now.

Also, I'm quite self-aware.

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could he be a bad mafia

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Wait. Yeah, Keyser I'm confused it seems like you have strong feelings about Ira but you haven't made a clear stance on them? What do you think of ira? Why not go for the person with the bad logic instead of the person that follows them?

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Guys, sorry! I'll catch up tomorrow I have a shit load of work today.

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Went to spontnuoeus party
Am very drunk
Tmmr
Gimme 12 h max cause hangover

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Wait when is do

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Oh we good I felt like k was slacking but I'm on pay pt

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These last few pages have been super interesting.

I want to do a reads list but 1) I'm in bed 2) Jake will bite me.

Something personal "came up". More like, my meds effected me more than I thought they would and I currently feel like I'm going to die. I'm hoping this passes because holy shit I can't do anything. If it continues, i'll eplace. But it wasn't hard for me to read up so i should be good.

Keyser did you ever answer Tyler/my question because I'm sort of glossy eyed rn but I didn't see it

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I like Dunn's last few posts, I don't think what H_A did was a scum slip but I don't think it's that incriminating that Zach thought it was one. boy who cried scum slip... Idk if that's super scummy.

Robert is more MIA than me so like fuck that. He's sort of high on my list rn I just wish I had something to go off of.
Tyler is probably town
I really like Tool's posts / general observations
Floof is like eh
Jake is pretty town too but I'm less confident
I think xyzzyz has reached a point where he's putting so much effort I'd be impressed if he was scum. I feel the ability to ask questions and pull so much from everyone's posting is quite town. I usually get weary of A LOT of effort. I need to look more in depth in his posts to get more feels
h_a and Jaack and I can't remember who else I'm missing are really hard to comment on rn. I generally don't get a bad feel from h_a and Jaack is like eh but like eh. I need to ISO both of them
Idk who I'm missing
Ira is making me so unsure of him at this point ugh. I really have to draw this out


These are my general feels to that read through please dkm

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I, surprisingly, like iraoavp's claim so much more (he has no reason to).

Would it be stupid to suggest they're both telling the truth?
It would, wouldn't it?

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yeah, there's no way in a mini normal that'd be balanced (how would scum counter TWO protective roles... unless there's strongman?)

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very sad about my reads tho : ( i was gonna come in here townreading h_a


ya i was gonna say floof not noticing the claim is badeeeeee
ur right

i have full intent to hammer
i suppose theres really no point in saying intent to hammer unless someone else has something left to say

pedit - ok

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does anyone ever crumb anymore

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and yes ira doesn't have a reason to do this as scum

I disagree with this. After h_a's claim, ira was the most likely lynch by a decent margin. Claiming now would buy scum-ira a day (and in the very unlikely event they're scumbuddies, 2+ days)

That being said, H_A is and should be the lynch today as he is still the likelier scum between them.

I am fine with an H_A lynch whenever, but I won't vote right now since people want to say things

being guaranteed as scum is never worth "buying scum a day" imo

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@Bins you know it's L-2 still right

i trusted jake

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does anyone ever crumb anymore

Crumbing is stupid

So looking at completed games there were 22 games that had bodyguard and only one also had a doctor. So it's possible both exsist but not very common at all

crumbing is goooooood imo

was it a 13p mini normal

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oh r you talking about minis

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does anyone ever crumb anymore

Crumbing is stupid

So looking at completed games there were 22 games that had bodyguard and only one also had a doctor. So it's possible both exsist but not very common at all

crumbing is goooooood imo

was it a 13p mini normal

Yea it was. Want a link?

actually yeah i do thanks

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Mafia:
xRECKONERx - Mafia Roleblocker
Telo - Mafia Goon
quadz08 - Mafia Goon

Town
Maestro - Town Bodyguard
Bub Bidderskins - Town Reporter
Mirari - Town Doctor
Antagon - 1-shot Macho Cop
roflcopter - Even Night Hider
Glork - Vanilla Townie
ChannelDelibird - Vanilla Townie
Infinity 324 - Vanilla Townie
rmpeacoc - Vanilla Townie
Fate - Vanilla Townie

ok so a RB to balance
macho cop ok
tf is a reporter

tbh this seems townsided even tho scum won

Trollie who told you this setup was okay? I'm not seeing how town having 5 PRs and scum having 1 is balanced but I guess it worked out

yeah so reck understands this

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Largest scumslip of the entire game.

why did you think that was a scumslip?

It was a jo-

tbf it went over my head

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lol

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I think ira is 99% town at this point. I expect him to be NK'd.

I'm just bugged by the fact he claimed doctor when he wasn't even at risk yet.

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there, there

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What

I've been commenting on this stuff

Idk how you can call that filler at all

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Ok him not just checking his pm is fucking weird

But now what if all three of them are town

. . .

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Yeah but you don't have anything substantial to say... you're just commenting on things like you said

My last 15 posts are arguably equal in content to yours

So uh shut it

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I don't see the scum motivation behind Roberts claim unless he's trying to save H_A which is possible

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Im not lying. That's what the pm said. I've never seen the modifier before. So if it's not supposed to be in the game. Talk to zuffy. I think it's a silly modifier.

Wait, the PM said weak?

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Weak, and with the macho description?
Cause I would of bought that you just "forgot what the PM said and got the two roles confused" - but uh...

H_A and Robert both being scum is becoming a possibility.

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ok

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:/

actually i feel scum is more careful than that

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my take is that i don't like roberts play but i can't remember the last time scum misread their role pm whereas town do it once in a while

im torn

^ this is what i'm trying to say but put better

this is too much WIFOM for me

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dsadhaskdsa dWJLE!?!??!

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I think at this point either they're both town or they're both scum.

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Honestly, I want to say something concrete but I'm at the point where everything I say is going to have 50% doubt behind it.

I really liked Iraonovp's post. I feel an H_A lynch is fine, but I'm just fucking peeved about lynching the doc claim, of course. When it is possible there's a BG and Doc (THE WEAK ROLE DOES HELP THIS I DON'T KNOW WHAT TOOL WAS SAYING). But in a way, man, clearing up the H_A and Robert scum possibility is important. I just agree that there's a chance - A CHANCE - that H_A is scum and Robert is not and that's more likely than Robert scum and H_A not. Robert's move, much like Irao's, was crazy town.

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Okay, should clarify why I like the Irao post. Basically, I feel that Irao looking in pretty much everyone else but the other two three is pretty town here and is pretty much what I'm doing right now in my head. I feel like since we have 3 claimed roles at this moment (2 which are very protown), scum isn't going to want to just nope out on the chance of lynching one of them.

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The first couple sentences here seem to suggest you think Robert could be scum. The last suggests you're sure he's town. Which was it, and what do you think of Robert's claim now?

The move was crazy town itself. As in, if H_A had flipped town, Robert would be pretty much conf town to me. But now that's he's flipped scum, I have no idea.

I'm going to look at interactions before I throw around feelings about people.

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I'll post tonight, sorry guys busy weekend.

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It's funny cause I was townreading zakk's reaction.

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I think that at least one of bins/floof is mafia - that interaction makes it more likely for me but they were also individually scummy (thinking more so bins here)

VOTE: Bins

I actually agree with your analysis of the post H_A made.

I have a pretty strong townread on Jake. I think Robert is town at this point. I really like Tool's catch-up. I find myself really agreeing with what Tyler is saying. I still think Dunn is pretty town just based on how he's acting.

Also, I don't think Keyser was bussing that hard. And I feel that the only weird thing about it was the fact he voted H_A over irao even though I didn't get the impression he thought irao was less scummy. But again, it's super duper unlikely he bussed that hard.

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@Zach, are you mafia?

This is bugging me.

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Eh, I actually like Zach's stuff right before the hammer.

p-edit - I'M NOT DONE CHILL.

I'd say right now scum is in zakk > xyzzx, and maybe Jaack (if not xy). I'd say I lean strongly towards zakk and xy. I still haven't looked at Jaack before the lynch.

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Tool could also be scum, I guess. I don't really think so right at this moment, though.

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@Jake

My read on you is purely because of how stubborn you're being. It is getting to be a little too much, though. I don't agree with your read on Dunn and I think you shouldn't be taking this stance with zakk. He shouldn't of been posting if he didn't have his role PM.

Robert is town because I'm still of the belief scum wouldn't fuck up a fake-claim.

I have another reason but I really can't say it. Plus, I'm not confirmed on it.

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Gah, I've been too trusting of my gut reads. I need a break already.

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Maybe I'll revert back to my scum reads in the first few pages because I'm too paranoid.

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Something rubbed me wrong about bins most of d2, but nothing as much as this here. Prior to this, bins had just floated tool and I as possible suspects (924 and 926). Felt like scum fishing for possible alternatives/mislynches down the road. But then bins backtracks in the two quoted posts when no one bit.

what are you talking there are so many people biting at me about reads

besides the point

anyways i don't want to continue talking about my reads until i actually give a proper read through which will have to be after mother's day

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I'm quickly changing my mind.

I don't think Floof looked that scummy on the H_A wagon.

p-edit fuc man I'm tryna make a point ad why does someone always make if first

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WHY ARE ALL OF MY READS BASED ON GUT WE HAVE SO MUCH TO GO OFF OF


I'm just gonna reread D1 entirely fuck this expect me to pull weight tmmr unless I go on a date in which case Wednesday I'm completely free
I feel useless right now I know no one has to tell me

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All I know is that scum is playing really well right now effort-wise! Good job, guys! I am quite impressed!

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...weren't you going to talk about your reads or something

I keep looking back at ISO's and changing my mind about how I feel about posts and stuff.

I can post a readslist and it would look like:

"Oh, so ok this person has made a few posts that sort of bugged me... but then again they look pretty town because of this... but their position on this is like blah."
"Oh, so ok this person gives me super good vibes cause... yeah... but then... fuck... I'm paranoid that in reality they're... ya..."

I feel like most of my weight right now relies on my gut. Which feels like I'm reverting back to my old ways in playing mafia... in which I'm usually wrong about stuff. I'm just really nervous about my reads. Like I feel I could be labelling someone as town right now who really hasn't done anything town, but rather just hasn't given me "bad vibes" or maybe even given me "good vibes" but other than that that's it. Like my townread on you (Dunn) is completely based off of vibes rn and the fact that I think you've been pretty much given off a really town impression but a lot of people are disagreeing so I get worried that I'm not seeing somthing cause my gut is telling me one thing, right? And another example I'm pretty much considering Tyler as town right now (even though I didn't like his entry posts) pretty much cause every time he says something I'm like "yeah I can agree with that" or "hey I was going to say that" or even because I don't think scum has a reason to give a townread on me but he did - but is that good enough? Am I still paranoid? Yeah? so idk.

These are all things going through my head right now. My most confident townread right now is Keyser but that could still be completely wrong.

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All I know is that scum is playing really well right now effort-wise! Good job, guys! I am quite impressed!

what do you mean by this?

who do you think is scum? quick summary of who, and why.

All I know is that scum is playing really well right now effort-wise! Good job, guys! I am quite impressed!

Trying to figure out if this is some kind of weird slip or just weirdly worded/thought

All I know is that scum is playing really well right now effort-wise! Good job, guys! I am quite impressed!

Trying to figure out if this is some kind of weird slip or just weirdly worded/thought

It sounds like scum trying to fake a townslip. Although it kind of fits in with the "I am confused about everyone" thing that bins has been doing this whole game.

ur so basic STOP i don't drop towntells when I'm scum
i'm honestly just saying I wrote too many people off as "man this person went HAM with the analysis this game" that pretty much one of them has to be scum, right? the Robert essay, tyler went back and read a bunch, Dunn posts off the wall, Tool and Keyser and xy are crazy with analysis, zakk's catchup was good, etc

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fuck i pressed enter too early

@zakk i've mentioned it and i really can't say anything more concrete than that because CHANCES ARE I'LL CHANGE MY MIND AGAIN IN TWO DAYS
i thought it was u and xy but now i'm leaning towards not u and maybe even not xy looking back at old posts
actually maybe xy i need to really look back on before the lynch

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yeah ok i was relying on tool's analysis but I promise I'm actually going to do my own and if i don't by wednesday night someone can shoot me

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but a lot of people are disagreeing so I get worried that I'm not seeing somthing cause my gut is telling me one thing, right?

No that's basically just Jake and Zach

It would help if you would list what you think as it gives us an idea of what you're thinking
Just because you think someone is town right now doesn't mean if you say they're town you won't be able to vote for them in day 3 if your opinion changes

ur so basic STOP i don't drop towntells when I'm scum

I haven't seen any town tells...................

see up for answer to that i'm just not comfortable discussing i was relying on Tool's post for a quick catchup tbh but i feel that isn't enough actually i want to look more at stuff before the lynch and i find myself actually disagreeing with what people are saying i'm just lazy i shouldn't be posting lmfao

and the "towntell" is what Jaack pointed out. usually ppl dont like it when people talk @ scum because it looks "fake" as in theyre "faking it" so they appear "not part of the scumteam" but again i'm not that basic i was just wording it that way and my main POINT is (hey i have a point for my posts) that the effort is throwing me off

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now i'm leaning towards not u and maybe even not xy

Looks like I pressed enter too early too, why not zakk anymore? you just said:

All I know is that scum is playing really well right now effort-wise! Good job, guys! I am quite impressed!

But from like 5 pages of analysis from zakk you change your mind

the effort isn't what made me change my mind on zakk at all and i wouldn't say i have changed my mind
it's more that i no longer get why Floof is considered scummy for HIS posts
actually none of my read has to do with zakk rn

pedit- yeah i know its just that i really havent been doing anything with my life so i mean i should have time and its bugging me cause i usually do put effort in games but then fortnight just ended and i didnt do SHIT ALL in that game so i was like hey i can salvage that in this game zzz

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and i wouldn't say i have changed my mind

"because of that"

sorry i have the tendency to repeat things and also leave out parts of sentences when i type fast and dont proofread

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fuck no i read through it again and i'm changing my mind again i really need to go to bed i dont think i've ever flailed this hard in a game

I still want a H_A lynch.
I feel as though whenever wagons move this late it is a result of a wagon moving off scum.

why would floof post this as scum?
but then again, why wouldn't floof post concern about the doc claim unless really trying to hold ground on the bussing?

either floof was town & really accurate about the read
or floof was scum & was really really going full commit on the busing thing and just looked sort of awkward because of it (like it "i am confident he will flip scum")

maybe... i'll meta floof

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ok well floof has one game and it was abandonned night 1 hey that looks like a good sample size

but it tells me exactly what i was trying to find
she was town and she made posts SUPER EARLY

like

Spoiler: quote dump

That's something I can agree to.
HURT: Egg.

I am guessing you are scum this game?

No we aren't lynching egg because I am not voting with scum.

@mod how many lynches can the judge veto, is no lynching an option?

Also Ircher is scum.

Ranger/Ircher this is an easy game.

Ircher if you want to make is obvious you are scum after I clearly explained to you why claiming votes first is optimal you are scum.

For example if 2 people claim to vote Jeanne and 2 claim to vote the Ranger slot they are all conf town.
If there is 3 Ranger slot votes and 2 Jeanne slot votes we know the 2 Jeanne slot voters are town and there is 1 scum in the Ranger voters.

Like Ircher you are scum or bad because I am spelling out to you why this information is really good.

H_A is probably scum btw.

and i mean she didn't really have any bigger posts than those... that's it...


conclusion: i feel better about floof's "i kno u r scum no ands buts ifs or ors"

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UNVOTE:

zach did u ever explain this unvote

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bins,

1, meta is trash
2, compare those floof posts to his posts here the tone is actually way different

it's hard to describe, but his entry here was tepid as fuck, like basically a "i got shit to do will post later" after the game was already rolling which is off right about because when you're not a big content poster to begin with and just go off feels it's way easier to jump right into the game - im exactly the same way so i should know

his ircher and ranger reads feel a lot more real there then his jaack and ha reads here, just the bluntness and indignation when talking about his scumreads there shines through and just reads townn

here, his scumread on jaack was soft, and the ha read - as ive pointed out and multiple people including yourself have ignored - was selective

yeah 1 game meta is trash but it proves that town floof did act like that before

and i feel the posts are very similar in the way that he was sort of blunt and maybe ever awkwardly forceful about his reads
especially the "blah blah blah YOU ARE SCUM" post i feel reads the same

i just don't see how his position on the wagon is scummy unless he was really committed to bussing H_A
which does make sense because he didn't flinch at the doc claim (but i feel like that sort of goes with the stuff from above)

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lemme read up before we lynch anything please

K MAN DID I ASK YOU THERE MIGHT BE MORE THAN THAT

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wait you know fuck this i have time and i'm not tired

toolenduso - "hi i appear sometimes with super good posts and i had a really good reaction to the ira claim that made bins feel really good" (493) and tool didn't jump on the Robert wagon and actually kept his wits about him and i feel like in posts 640 (saying no to Robert) and 667

Dunnstral - "hi i give bins good feelings but that's about it" and his fucking stance on the H_A and Ira THING IS SO NULL

Robert2424 - "hi im a wea- fuck"

Zachstralkita - "hi i never hesitate so i'm town af but lol look at all the fucks i give there are none"

Keyser Söze - "hey guys i was right about h_a all along fuckerS"

xyzzy - "hi i put a lot of effort and i've been PRETTY NULL but i didn't jump on the robert bad wagon so that's pretty good and idk why people are scum reading me pls guys stop PoEing me"

Zakk - "lol guys don't vote me i don't even have my role PM yet and i really didn't give info with my reads post that much eh and everything floof did was just so eh"

Tyler the Creator - "hi i give bins so many vibes shes probably just going to ignore me until i do somethign really scummy but i havent yet so thats good"

Jaack - "hi my name is MR FUCKING OPPORTUNISTIC"

Jake from State Farm - "hi i think Dunn is scum and i'm stubborn about it so that's pretty town of me and also other reasons huhuhu"







tyler what do u think of jaack?

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sorry i actually lost interest after my tool read as you can see exibxit A and i just thought i'd still give general impressions

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@Dunnstral has been by far the most entertaining player for me to follow in this game so far. As for liking him, makes me want him to be town. Best proof I have of you being town is your response to post 34 by xyzzy.

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fuck this makes me townread Dunn so hard

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@Dunnstral has been by far the most entertaining player for me to follow in this game so far. As for liking him, makes me want him to be town. Best proof I have of you being town is your response to post 34 by xyzzy.

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fuck this makes me townread Dunn so hard

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First off, I found it so strange that so many people read Jack so early on as scum or town based on his vote in post 13 against Robert. I think anyone voting him as an easy vote at the beginning makes for possible scum players,

(Keyser, tool, floof for example)

, not that I'm saying that one of them HAVE to be scum. As for Jack, I don't have enough information yet from him to really say for me what he is, but for now I'm leaning on town.

the jack read is interesting as is tho

Spoiler: xyzzy

I'm thinking town at this point. More of a gut feeling. There have been quite a few posts done that seems to be generally seeking more information from players and challenging players on their spots and it just feels pro town to me

HMMM
too lazy to put quote tags sorry fam

Spoiler: tyler

vote:xyzzy

guess why im voting this

Still confused about what you meant by this. Were you assuming that we though it obvious why you voted thus?
First assumption is that Tyler is town. Also a gut choice. He does seem to think Jack is town and has some doubt on Bins like me, so with common thoughts, I'll put him as town for now.

idk i feel like this isn't a scum partner stance because of the fact he mentioned a post lmfao but other than that really neutral

Spoiler: Toolenduso

As you might have guess from my Jack reading, I have a little suspicion towards tool. Also like Keyser, posts clarifying posts but lacks giving some original content to help town.

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Spoiler: Zach

My vote stays on Zach for now.
70 "Also, I'm certain you guys aren't aware of this, but I have a mental power thing like I can see into people's hearts with my mind. Like a scouter for your soul. I have the intuition of a reincarnated something. Sure, It's natural to be skeptical, but expect me to make a definite solid statement on the true identity of the scumteam at some point and be super right. Maybe today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe 19 days from now. Maybe in 5 minutes." I find this a scummy post. Obviously trying to have some fun with the game, but also poking fun around the the time limit and not giving definite times. This type of joking is something I've seen other mafia and myself do as scum.
146Why are you so eager to get Dunn on the wagon? I think that Dunnstral's line of thinking could be considered a threat to the mafia and would want him destroyed

@Zach What's all this shade getting thrown my way without really saying anything of value

You're scum.

Refuses to give explanation of vote other than "He is scum". Voting people without evidence hurts town.

There's not much to say at this point, you lynch him, he flips scum, yay, you lynch him, he flips town, you lynch me.


More likely: You lynch me, I die, no one does anything about Dunnstral following this.

I vote the last option. If we are wrong and you are townie, than we can go after Dunn.

idk this looks pretty good for zach

Spoiler: Floof

Also a suspect of mafia for voting Jack. There hasn't been any more substantial reading from Floof to get more of an opinion.

EHHH ehhh...

Spoiler: Jake

246Asks people to not use lists because it helps the mafia out too much and doesn’t help the town. If this is an earnest request, then it makes Jake town, whether or not people agree with him on his opinion of read lists

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super null

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At this point, Zach is still my number one scum read.

i don't think this was bussing

Whoever people want to vote out first: Zach, Robert, or Keyser, I am more than happy with getting anyone one of those 3 out.

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I want to say these aren't bussing either but can't be certain. Man... probably most likely is Robert scum or Keyser went hella bus mode with H_A? Possible? Bah. Nah, too deep to look into.

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Eh, I actually like Zach's stuff right before the hammer.

p-edit - I'M NOT DONE CHILL.

I'd say right now scum is in zakk > xyzzx, and maybe Jaack (if not xy). I'd say I lean strongly towards zakk and xy. I still haven't looked at Jaack before the lynch.

??? So what did you find

Jaack is probably the worst before the hammer out of everyone.

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the players in the groups are in no order

---town---

Zachstralkita
toolenduso
Dunnstral

---town but less constant paranoia---
Jake from State Farm

---town but constant paranoia---

Robert2424
Keyser Söze
Tyler the Creator

---this is who we're left with---

xyzzy
Zakk
Jaack





night fam sorry for spamming


ps tyler i want to say that i dont mean to give floof the town card with the meta i hope that was perfectly clear i just wanted to see if floof behaved like that as town because to me floof was either super set town or super bussing and i was leaning toward super bussing 100% until i read the meta and now i'm like "damn she does act like that"

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actually

---town---

Zachstralkita
toolenduso
Dunnstral

---town but less constant paranoia---

Jake from State Farm
Tyler the Creator

---town but constant paranoia---

Robert2424 (because of the claim)
Keyser Söze (because of the bussing)

---this is who we're left with---

xyzzy
Zakk
Jaack

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If he's town his play is atrocious imo.

I will lynch you.
Grr.


It's actually funny because all the townpoints I was giving you are now going to Dunn because I realized I might have the wrong idea.

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Actually Dunn's RVS vote is the only thing that really bugs me lmfao

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Finally, my reads so far

Spoiler: Jack

First off, I found it so strange that so many people read Jack so early on as scum or town based on his vote in post 13 against Robert. I think anyone voting him as an easy vote at the beginning makes for possible scum players, (Keyser, tool, floof for example), not that I'm saying that one of them HAVE to be scum. As for Jack, I don't have enough information yet from him to really say for me what he is, but for now I'm leaning on town.

Spoiler: Robert

Robert has been really inactive as well, and I don't have a read. If what bins said in 239 is true about mafia being quiet this game, it could be a reason why

Spoiler: Bins

239You've been relatively quiet too this game.
38 States that being super townie is your scum game. Now we know to expect that if Bins is mafia, she won't be super townie in this game. And maybe even if a super townie posts accidentally jumbles in, it gives more cause to her being scum.
177I feel like mafia use excuses like this more often than town. So what you haven't played for a year. Isn't playing mafia like riding a bike? Saying you haven't played for awhile so refamiliarizing yourself is similar to mafia tactic of acting more like a newbie or taking advantage to being a newbie so scummy posts can get away by having players think, oh he's just a newbie doesn't know what he's doing.
On a whole, I'm pushing Bins onto my scum side of the spectrum for now

Spoiler: xyzzy

I'm thinking town at this point. More of a gut feeling. There have been quite a few posts done that seems to be generally seeking more information from players and challenging players on their spots and it just feels pro town to me

Spoiler: tyler

vote:xyzzy

guess why im voting this

Still confused about what you meant by this. Were you assuming that we though it obvious why you voted thus?
First assumption is that Tyler is town. Also a gut choice. He does seem to think Jack is town and has some doubt on Bins like me, so with common thoughts, I'll put him as town for now.

Spoiler: Toolenduso

As you might have guess from my Jack reading, I have a little suspicion towards tool. Also like Keyser, posts clarifying posts but lacks giving some original content to help town.

Spoiler: Zach

My vote stays on Zach for now.
70 "Also, I'm certain you guys aren't aware of this, but I have a mental power thing like I can see into people's hearts with my mind. Like a scouter for your soul. I have the intuition of a reincarnated something. Sure, It's natural to be skeptical, but expect me to make a definite solid statement on the true identity of the scumteam at some point and be super right. Maybe today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe 19 days from now. Maybe in 5 minutes." I find this a scummy post. Obviously trying to have some fun with the game, but also poking fun around the the time limit and not giving definite times. This type of joking is something I've seen other mafia and myself do as scum.
146Why are you so eager to get Dunn on the wagon? I think that Dunnstral's line of thinking could be considered a threat to the mafia and would want him destroyed

@Zach What's all this shade getting thrown my way without really saying anything of value

You're scum.

Refuses to give explanation of vote other than "He is scum". Voting people without evidence hurts town.

There's not much to say at this point, you lynch him, he flips scum, yay, you lynch him, he flips town, you lynch me.


More likely: You lynch me, I die, no one does anything about Dunnstral following this.

I vote the last option. If we are wrong and you are townie, than we can go after Dunn.

Spoiler: Floof

Also a suspect of mafia for voting Jack. There hasn't been any more substantial reading from Floof to get more of an opinion.

Spoiler: Jake

246Asks people to not use lists because it helps the mafia out too much and doesn’t help the town. If this is an earnest request, then it makes Jake town, whether or not people agree with him on his opinion of read lists

Is it more likely that scum forgets his partner or includes his partner?

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I know he's missing other people, but still. I find it odd that he'd omit Dunn, the person with 10000 posts this game.

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I know he's missing other people, but still. I find it odd that he'd omit Dunn, the person with 10000 posts this game.

This was covered already. Glad to see you confirm why your play is atrocious. Dunn wasn't listed in that post cause he already gave his read of Dunn. This very thing was discussed later in the game. Possibly twice but definitely once.

Can you kindly shut the fuck up about my play?

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Seriously, I hate playing with people who care about "level of town play". There's no point talking about it. There's no point saying you'd vig someone for it. What the hell is your problem?

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that's... not the same thing lmfao

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Yeah. Guess who has horrendous play now!

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Yeah. Guess who has horrendous play now!

Reading mistake =/= horrendous play. Read your Iso for that. Btw my reading mistake actually worked out in towns favor as it shows how bad Dunn actually is

YOU JUST ACCUSED ME OF NOT READING SOMETHI

you know what nevermind

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Tyler, I'm waiting for input from Keyser and Tool and xy before I place my vote.

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they both havent said things regarding the recent wagons

and i think my keyser read needs that and i trust tool's input a lot

i already discussed the three people i'd be willing to vote (i'd be willing to vote jake now too TBH b/c my big reason for not voting him is gone) so i don't see the harm in waiting on them to finalize which one

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actually i'm probably more angry at jake over thinking that he's scum

so probably like less likely because i had 3 good candidates more scummy than him

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why is jaack town?


again if you've said this i'm sorry

i do forget posts AND IT IS NOT BECAUSE MY PLAY IS BAD
it's because I THINK OF OTHER THINGS AND FORGET

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oops somehow missed this

If he's town his play is atrocious imo.

I will lynch you.
Grr.

beetlejuice rule

was obviously skimming the thread looking for mentions of "bins" and found one and posted

It's actually funny because all the townpoints I was giving you are now going to Dunn because I realized I might have the wrong idea.

then aCTUALLY threatens jake with "you're losing townpoints" in response

like whoa. this is scum too

1) actually no well kind of. i was just reading along and do check the thread but

i literally had no reason to post since last time i posted.

if someone was mentioning my name then i have a reason. that's fair.
2) i have a nongut reason for townreading jake. well did. and its true that its gone now. i was going to update my readslist. i will lynch jake simply because he's one of the most unpleasant people to play with. dunn could be pulling fuckery with this whole "im not a VT!" oh btw "I have 100% confirmation that Robert is town" there's no reason to fkn beat around the bush for this. but basically i thought jake was an investigative PR with an innocent on Robert and therefore i townread them both.

I DONT HAVE REASON TO DO THIS NOW
IS THIS CLEAR NOW FRIENDS
THANKS

I know he's missing other people, but still. I find it odd that he'd omit Dunn, the person with 10000 posts this game.

meaning you think dunni s scum or town?

neither because i was wrong that H_A didn't put a read up on Dunn
i still think H_A's position on Dunn was pretty un-partnery but man maybe h_a is so bad he's good. that's a worry. i don' tknow. fuck . i'm done with second guessing myself.

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i'm sorry that my second guessing / wishwashiness is coming off as scummy to a bunch of people but thts literally how i always am

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im not a VT!"

* i am a vT sorry

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Is bins blatantly role fishing between people who weren't ever going to get lynched today

jesus its not role fishing if you wear it on your shoulder


and i wanted to explain my townreads on robert and jake that dont matter anymore

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well the robert one matters but you know what i mean

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i thought jake was an investigative PR with an innocent on Robert and therefore i townread them both.

this isnt role fishing either



so i dont see what youre talking about

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if you're going to halfass claim you should just fkn fullclaim bc its obvious af

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I'm not sure why they think outting who they think is pr is a good idea. Also I've claimed vanilla town already, but I don't mind if you think I'm whatever ; though the problem I have is how you can think that's a good idea.

i have literally said nothing more "out-ing" than you have man

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tomorrow is my birthday don't ruin it by saying mean things about me and wondering where i went

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Strategically replacing out is dumb

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Can someone unvote

I'm not comfortable with quick hammer

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Bins who is mafia

I don't think zakk is


And if he is replacing out like that as scum it's pretty much rule breaking

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/ :

If scum the replace out was only for town points and that's wrong

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Sry on mobile tired sleeping now pls don't lynch

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More often I've seen scum do it right before they are lynched, then I'm a sucker for being, oh, he just replaced in with a bad hand, got to give him time, and they turn up being scum. So, its going to rub me the wrong way. It may be nothing and he could be town, but he certainly isn't going to gain any points for trying to be replaced now.

Like I just straight up disagree w this



Ok to be fair zakk did yell at us for scum reading him b4 he even got his role pm lets just say he isn't the best model player
But still replace outs like that should b illegal :/

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And if he is replacing out like that as scum it's pretty much rule breaking

no it isn't?

Yes it is

L-1 replace outs like that are generally regarded as town
Any replace out that isnt related to commitment problems / personal problems w some asshole in the game are unfair imo

I think I've seen Zor or someone mod kill someone for it

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brb replacing out cause this is stupid

Is something we can speculate allignment from and is therefore unfair


It's unsportsmanlike and horrible from scum
There most people think "only town would do that because they're being genuinely frustrated"

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I'm not saying at all that it definitely makes him town

Tbh it's more that I can't respect a player who does that as scum and I like assuming people aren't awful sports

I don't think that zakk was that emotional
Again here I'm trying to find motive behind a replace out
And I think that's a stupid position and unfair position to be in

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:/

Like
Here I'll make it super clear what I'm trying to say

It's more that I hope he's town and just from experience I read a replace out like that as town
And from experience most people I see read replace outs like that as town


If zakk is MAFIA
I honestly believe the only reason for his replace out would be to gain town points



And that's why I think it's unlikely but also extremely unfair and shouldn't be allowed in a game

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Tyler what do u think of Zach
Esp in regards to H_A's posts about him?

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Fuck



It's rule breaking cause I think it's similar to trust telling

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Tyler what do u think of Zach
Esp in regards to H_A's posts about him?

Also Jaack

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you're also acting like there haven't been 2 slots that have posted content to go off of

and are just hyper magnifying one event and waffling all over it and if you think that his replace out looks town then im wondering why that's making you frustrated

Sorry I'm bitter cause I had a legit reason for replacing out once and people were up on my ass for "doing it for town points".

I wouldn't call Floof a hefty amount of content and that of Floof's I still read pretty town-y
Zakk idk most of his posts were underwhelming and null
Hobbe man what a guy def scummy af

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Bins are you ever going to place a vote this game

I think I've made it super clear that I have no objections to lynching xy

I'm just trying to figure out still if a zakk flip is better


All this waiting has been a constant battler between zakk and xy in my head
And I think I've been pretty vocal enough about that

pedit - I said town. Only going from "is zakk a big enough dick to do that as scum"... so uh, not that objective.

VOTE: xy

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Fun side note about history and Bins doing "trust tells"

I can't fake AtE well either
I once got emotional in a game and someone said I should be mod killed because it's basically a trust tell for me


Sigh

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I figured that was coming. At least there is more content now. Though looks opportunistic then anything.

Lol it's funny cause I hate every vote
Let's look at it in the morning

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i can't tell if bins is obvtown or obvscum

actually that sort of makes me feel better about u cause that's a huge ditto about how I feel about ur posts!!

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I figured that was coming. At least there is more content now. Though looks opportunistic then anything.

Lol it's funny cause I hate every vote

Yours was the worst one there

That's because 1) I haven't been voting and 2) you mentioned that and 3) you were waiting for it
It's less bad when you really think about why you're bugged by it
I don't think I'm that opportunistic, just very waffly about everyone

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Wait did I hammer

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Bins, can you explain why you think xyzzy is a better lynch than zakk?

Without the whole replace out part. Unless that's your whole reasoning...

Uh the big one being I've gotten stronger town vibes from some of Floof's posts which I've discussed

Another I feel the xy wagon has been built and destroyed so many times there's huge info on it

Pedit - ok people have got to stop saying L-1 when it really isn't THIS IS TWICE NOW

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Do I think xy is scummy tho? Eh it's mostly just a bag of null and PoE unfortunately
I don't think I could point to a post and say this is pretty scummy guys

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Ugh I do feel really awful and I kno I'll apologize more post game but I haven't played mafia in like a year and I feel utter trash so I hope that can explain the waffliness / wear everything on my sleeve way I'm playing

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I don't think I could point to a post and say this is pretty scummy guys

Hey man at least I'm being honest

I always work with PoE and town reads
Saying I can't find anything town in your posts is a big deal

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It's my readslist
I've posted it

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actually

---town---

Zachstralkita
toolenduso
Dunnstral

---town but less constant paranoia---

Jake from State Farm
Tyler the Creator

---town but constant paranoia---

Robert2424 (because of the claim)
Keyser Söze (because of the bussing)

---this is who we're left with---

xyzzy
Zakk
Jaack

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Jaack and Tyler are like opposites to me

Jaack reads as town but every move he has made has been scummy
Tyler reads scummy to me but I like his reads and moves

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Jaack is like so obvscum in his choices
His moves
His opportunism
I don't feel scum is that careless to just hop on everything... And I mean everything

Paranthesis is why I'm paranoid

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Tyler reads scummy to me but I like his reads and moves

?

It's like how I didn't like ur entrance
Certain posts u make strike me as
Well posts I'd make as scum

But I feel the direction you steer the game in and the votes u make aren't scummy and your reasons are scummy

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Jaack is like so obvscum in his choices
His moves
His opportunism
I don't feel scum is that careless to just hop on everything... And I mean everything

What are you seeing that is opportunistic in what I've done?

Uh, the whole Robert thing at the end of D1.
I feel you nitpick very basic things sometimes and regard them as scummy on their own. I can provide explains but I'm on mobile and lazy.

Dunn, it's because my scum read on Jaack isn't that big. That's why I didn't vote him when zakk wanted me to. I think you're misinterpreting my "Jaack is obvscum" post. I'm saying the fact there's so much of his moves that bug me yet he seems very self-aware makes him bug me less.

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I think I'll post an ordered list tomorrow in which the groups are organized. My only really "unsortable" read at this time is Keyser.

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Jaack is like so obvscum in his choices
His moves
His opportunism
I don't feel scum is that careless to just hop on everything... And I mean everything

What are you seeing that is opportunistic in what I've done?

Uh, the whole Robert thing at the end of D1.
I feel you nitpick very basic things sometimes and regard them as scummy on their own. I can provide explains but I'm on mobile and lazy.

Dunn, it's because my scum read on Jaack isn't that big. That's why I didn't vote him when zakk wanted me to. I think you're misinterpreting my "Jaack is obvscum" post. I'm saying the fact there's so much of his moves that bug me yet he seems very self-aware makes him bug me less.

So your only real scum read you'd want lynched is xyzzy?

Why do you make it sound so bad I've explained this already.

All of them aren't "scum reads" and that's a bad word to use with me. They're all "not town-reads" by PoE.
I think xyzzy is probably my most comfortable... yet I'm uncomfortable a little with everything.
Tbh, I'd probably still be down to lynch Jaack or zakk (zakk has really become a tough subject ugh). I know I have to revisit my town reads b/c I'm re-getting paranoid.

My paranoid reads I'd also be okay with wagons on (probably not lynches). I'd remove Robert as a paranoid read and add Jake. But I really don't have huge reason to suspect Jake.

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Good lord it's impossible to keep up with this thread right now

Yeah I keep tryna sleep

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I just said I thought you were town

lol I'm not bothering to read the p-edits anymore



The more we talk about xyzzy, the more I'm on board for just an information based flip.

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If Jaack, zakk and xy are all town I'll seriously just cry
Keyser/Zach scum team anyone?

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Nah fuck Zach is so town cause of H_A
Keyser is ugh UGH I wish Keyser would just post actually that'd be good

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The more we talk about xyzzy, the more I'm on board for just an information based flip.

ew

MAN CMON HOW IS HIS LAST POST ANY MORE OR LESS TOWN THAN THE ONE BEFORE THAT
they're all so null
just so null

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Dunn is Jake town because he's a hard ass or is there another reason

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I'd probably put my ordered list like:


Zachstralkita
toolenduso
Dunnstral
Tyler the Creator
Robert2424

Jake from State Farm

hobbez/floof/Zakk/Desmond_13
Jaack
xyzzy

Really hard for me to sort: Keyser Söze.

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The reason Keyser bugs me so much is not because of the whole "Hey, Irao is really bugging me guys but let's vote H_A instead of him" even though it seemed the H_A scumread was driven from the Irao scumread, but rather actually... this is the post I keep looking at:

I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up

Because literally every post he has made has been completely useless. Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

This just seems so forced from H_A. I mean did he talk like this about anyone else? Calling a partner "completely useless" is an easy bussing stance.

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This post is what I'm referring to when I say I didn't understand why Keyser voted H_A over Irao at this point:

@Zach, are you mafia?

@iraonavp - do you class this as "asking questions without answers"?

Because literally every post he has made has been completely useless. Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

Let me take this apart, piece-by-piece:

"every post he has made has been completely useless"

- please quote my "useless" posts.

"he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia"

- that is the game, you find something suspicious, you vote. I believe my vote was the first vote, it was not me jumping on a bandwagon. if you want me to break down the development of my read of Jaaack I will.

"Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own."

- this highlights your lack of perception. In those posts I was challenging people's positions and stating my own read/perspective on players. There was no

'me-sheeping-everyone-ba-ba-ba' posting.

"doing nothing to help the game"

- this is another unsupported generic scum-read reason.

"205 unvotes Jack, but that's that."

- that is information. Do you agree/oppose the reasons why I voted/unvoted Jaaack?

This feels like a manufactured sheep-dump off iraonavp's unsupported logic.

VOTE: heuristically_alone

When questioned about it he waited to give an answer and then I was never really satisfied with the answer he gave.

I feel like scum having DayTalk really makes this seem like a possible planned bus between them. Especially for H_A, the Keyser read seems to really stand out.

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I... uh... what?

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I think this is my cue to officially give up reading the zakk slot forever.

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this is the weordest amished i have ever seen

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uh

basically amished tell is when you come in and scumread your predecessor right off the bat because the first thing you do when you get a scum PM is read your predecessors ISO to see how much the fucked up the slot

which actually makes a lot of sense the more i think about it with this slot

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that's not the point
maybe zakk deserved the heat but it's the fact that his first comment was about zakk b/c again he read the ISO of zakk and wanted to say 'man ya guys ur right my predeccessor is a dummy"

idk i agree i think the entry post is sketch as fuck and pretty much reverted all the feels i was getting from that slot

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I still want a H_A lynch.
I feel as though whenever wagons move this late it is a result of a wagon moving off scum.

^^

this fkn floof post

pedit - yes

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oh i forgot to say yeah Dunn i saw ur keyser post and i 100% agree

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ahahah this is what i have been waiting for

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the vc is what i was talking about

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again another thing about that post that makes it look like a two layered gambit

another reason i cry when i try to read that slot now

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: | still want the keyser replacement before we continue

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at least for a weigh in

i feel like keyser lacks associations cause everythng he posted was "fact" and summary

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my town read on Zach stems from H_A

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intent to hammer

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i disagree w this lynch v much

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i disagree w this lynch v much

didnt kno this was the emote



cause really all of this bs that's sprouting is really stupid and i dont know how anyone can pull alignment from it
i want to wait for keyser spot

and i just have a bad feeling lol

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like :< when ur dad leaves home for milk but you know hes never coming back feeling

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its just

posts
that give me town vibes : |

idk
and i think both dunn nd tyler are town :/

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i think all of us are town haa.

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Blind faith can be said about a lot of this game

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: {

Zach cry w me

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Oh damn I was wrong

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I'm really not sure what to say just yet but I have something to say

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Bins shut up

SORRY THIS IS EXCITING

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I will post a readslist first.

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Ok I'm less important than I wanted to be

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I'm a Voyeur
I'm going to claim cause I'm useless now

I targeted Robert N1 and yeah he got investigated
I targeted Dunn N2 and yeah he got investigated

So either Dunn is GF or Jake is scum investigative
Have fun someone figure this out

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I don't have time to figure this out right now
Please don't lynch anyone yet

But I can confirm Jake's investigation at least

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What

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I'm going to bed

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I believed Ira's claim immediately because of my role (BG synergy is awesome)
Also I have a crumb but w/e

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ill brb 30 min

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the first thing i do if im godfather, have a good idea of who the cop is, pretty much know that they're checking me, well, it wouldn't be to CLAIM COP

this is pretty true



man who tf fakeclaims Cop as town

I'll admit I've seen it happen TWICE
But guess what
THEY BOTH GOT LYNCHED

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NEVER FAKECLAIM COP AS TOWN

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jake scumread Dunn cause he though he was faking cop?
Dunn never scum read Jake even tho he knew Jake was cop?

Man Dunn if you're town you know there's a possibility people are gonna wanna lynch BOTH OF YOU
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF YOURE BOTH TOWN

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it never makes sense

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"Baiting a cop claim" is never a smart fucking move with your own claim
Why didn't you just
Like
Ask for a massclaim

I was gonna do that

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I honestly believe Dunn after all this holy fuck I'm just so mad at his play rn
I HAVE LOST TWO GAMES BECAUSE OF THIS BEFORE
TWO GAMES BECAUSE OF TOWN THINKING HEY LETS TAKE THE GAME INTO OUR OWN HANDS AND CLAIM COP NOTHING CAN GO WRONG

pedit - sorry I'm trying to explain why I agree with Tyler

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Jake CCing you is completely reasonable and should of been fucking expected lol he was scum reading you

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Man I'm mad I shouldn't of claimed

But yeah I agree with Tyler