Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Not claiming until NM unvotes.

[RadiantCowbells]

Perfect.
I am a role cop.
I targeted Gorkington N1: he's a Compulsive Music Vendor. Note that he never claimed the compulsive part.
So I wasn't fucking roleblocked whatever shit NM wants to throw.

Last night I targeted Fire Assassin. He's a 1-shot executioner.
So basically confirmed scum at this point.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[RadiantCowbells]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Executioner

[RadiantCowbells]

im compulsive.
that doesnt mean that rc cant be scum rolecop.
i want to take this slow.
reasoning behind targeting fire?

Because his play the entire game has been shit and I've been growing a fuckton less confident that his D1 AtE makes him town.

Why did you violate the "Always check Titus" rule?

I'm pretty confident in my ability to read you sweetheart.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scumpartner is Gork/NM.
We can go ahead and lynch today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, where did the second kill come from?

[RadiantCowbells]

If someone wants to claim Vig they should do it today asap.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a day thing.
As in it ends the day with the lynch.
I'm somewhat skeeved out by Gorkington knowing what the role was because I had to look it up but whatever.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not addressing my reads on anyone else until after Fire Assassin has been hammered.

[RadiantCowbells]

im compulsive.
that doesnt mean that rc cant be scum rolecop.
i want to take this slow.
reasoning behind targeting fire?

Because his play the entire game has been shit and I've been growing a fuckton less confident that his D1 AtE makes him town.

Why did you violate the "Always check Titus" rule?

I'm pretty confident in my ability to read you sweetheart.

And your result? BC my gut says not to trust you AND that your result is right.

I've thought you were town since a long time ago.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay yep

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

k that's one scumbuddy.

[RadiantCowbells]

I haven't been townreading Gorkington since a long time ago.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not explaining myself to you.

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record, if NM is not scum I'm in quickhammer range.

[RadiantCowbells]

Going back to my initial multiball assumption because it makes more sense than anything else at this point.

We're probably looking at

FA + NM
Gork + ??

[RadiantCowbells]

I can be

Why didn't you investigate Andro, by the way?

Because I believed that they were the role they claimed to be regardless of alignment.
Why would I have investigated them?

[RadiantCowbells]

If this is multiball then actually NM is probably on the OTHER scum faction who wants to let FA's faction quickhammer me.
So if a hammer goes through, FA you should kill NM.

[RadiantCowbells]

NM + Androgy
Fire + Gorkington?

[RadiantCowbells]

But I think if Gorkington's scum he's scum with Androgy.
So maybe NM is just scum with Fire?

[RadiantCowbells]

fire assassin and maybe not_mafia are the only people that i feel remotely okay with right now. aristophanes is back in the sort pile for how little he gave this game d2.

p-edit: theres only one more fuck-up to be made. either we plow our way to victory or fail trying. im not interested in giving up at this point.

holy fuck you're bad if you're town.

[RadiantCowbells]

{Titus}
{Roshar}
{Aristophanes}
{Gork, AB}
{FA, NM}

[RadiantCowbells]

If FA wants to claim to be town instead of just rushing a hammer on me then we're forcing him to use his ability today on {Gork, AB, NM}

[RadiantCowbells]

But like I don't think Yimmy would have put a town aligned executioner in the setup with me in it.

That's basically a guaranteed mislynch if checked.

[RadiantCowbells]

Gork/NM/FA actually makes a ridiculous amount of sense if this is in fact singleball.
Gork could have been trying to go for towncred by pulling that stunt and saving an exec quickhammer for if it would be absolutely necessary.
That makes a ridiculous amount more sense than him being town and actually having those two as his top townreads as well.

I don't trust the music vendor thing either. Fruit vendor seems to be a scum role these days anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay so yeah.
If I get QHed and there's a vig/SK they need to kill FA.

If people still think Gork is town now is the time for me to explain why you're wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

If this is multiball scum should mostly know who each other are so just shoot each other.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hold on. I want to check something.

[RadiantCowbells]

Plotinus has not rolled traitor so Traitor!Gork who can send music to teammates doesn't work out.
Plus usually that comes up in role investigations.

Fuck, I'm deciding this shit aren't I?

Vote FA please.

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you mean 'copying the strategy from NY 192'?

[RadiantCowbells]

OK.
If you think I'm scum with Fire Assassin, let me win the 1v1 since more people are scumreading me for later.
I don't see why you'd think my slot is roadkill in this game though?

[RadiantCowbells]

gork is probs not scum.

"havent townread him at all in ages"
yah okay bud.

firstly.
has
plot
rolled.
executioner.

if not.
RC is scumclaiming.

This was a slight read and solely based off of associatives involving Iecerint being scum.
He was not scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I answered that.

Yes.

But the role was town.

This means literally nothing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm town so consider it done.

I'd replace out for that if you weren't scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

For your benefit, not mine.
I can't see you as town so I can't take your reactions seriously here.
We can talk about this in postgame when I know your alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which is to say that if I was replacing out it would be because I don't want to force you to play with me if you feel that way about me.
But that doesn't feel real and I'm never letting a scumread AtE me to quitting a game after Brosiedon.

when your scumreads have been iece, xkfyu and me.

Iece wasn't my wagon. I hammered that for all your fucking benefits because you all got cold feet on AB.
I fucked up royally on XK. But he was lurking in a way that felt very intentional and I scumread him for it.
If you're town, do something to prove it.

[RadiantCowbells]

i should have let the game die.
fuck me.
im so dumb.

im.
so.
tired.

I'm sorry dude.
I wish this game had ended D1 as well for the record.
I'm still open to calling it here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not pushing on you right now.

I'm just trying to lynch scum, yo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shared opinion man.

I'm sorry for getting so salty but I'm pissed because I'm probs getting quickhammered by exec and I can't get anyone to listen to me even before that.

[RadiantCowbells]

He's executioner and setup spec indicates that that role is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

If NM is willing to unvote I'll stop pushing a quicklynch and we can let FA say his piece.

I'm near positive that he's scum though.

The only condition under which I don't lynch FA today is if we lynch one of my other major scumreads and we use his execution to do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Has Plotinus ever rolled serial killerb efore?

[RadiantCowbells]

guh I actually feel bad and feel like FA might be town rn.

UNVOTE:

btw gork like even if you're town as well I'm sorry that wasn't called for and more to the point I didn't even mean it when I said it. I fucking loathe my tendency to be an asshole for absolutely no reason and it mostly happens when I'm scum and my empathy is selectively turned off but that came out here forn o good reason and I feel really bad about it. regardless of alignment, hugs?

[RadiantCowbells]

bump.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want drunk titus.

RC is not sober either =\

[RadiantCowbells]

This is multiball.

we have no way of knowing that FA made that kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not how executioner works Titus

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm too bitter atm to take that time.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol.

[RadiantCowbells]

reminder that if there isn't a vig claim in like 48h I'm going to consider this a SK/Multiball game.

I'm already pretty sure it's multiball because that's what I thought on D1.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fire, can we agree from the perspective of Town!You that NM looks fucking awful?

star wars mafia was 3:2:8 :'D

oh god don't remind me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town win as well

I tracked scum to a kill N1

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm trying to reevaluate this.

I still think FA is scum just because it's so hard to come up with a scumteam of 3, 2, or multiball compositions for him being town =\

I could maybe lynch NM though?

[RadiantCowbells]

He just really bugs me.

FA town gives me a real too many townread problem as well =\

[RadiantCowbells]

He just really bugs me.

Well that's not very nice

You're voting me and that's not very nice either.

And my 'bugs me' was referring exclusively to alignment indicative things?

Not that I'm exactly happy with your play in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I don't feel like I deserved to be prodded but yeah.

wtf guys =[

lynch nm plz.

[RadiantCowbells]

Did anyone claim the second nightkill?

[RadiantCowbells]

If we have like a vig or a joat now is the time for them to claim.

[RadiantCowbells]

Or scum + sk.

[RadiantCowbells]

But yeah I've been feeling multiball since day 1.

Either way, we're not NLing and I'd like to force FA to use his ability on NM.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not willing to risk FA walking away with that power intact.

I want it used up.

[RadiantCowbells]

You think there's multiple scum factions or SK and you don't have an eyebrow raised at NM's bulletproof townie claim?

c'mon.

[RadiantCowbells]

and he's been a scumfuck aside from that sooo easy.

I have no other lynches that I have any strong interest in today.

[RadiantCowbells]

What this feels to me like tbh
is that NM is factional scum who thinks I'm SK and is pushing a lynch on me for it.
or possibly vice versa.

and the bulletproof claim was intended to prevent him from getting night killed.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to spend hours poring over this game doing additional scumhunting.

NM is scum, I want to lynch them. I will not be scumhunting further.

[RadiantCowbells]

*shrug*

I'm over mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you drive somewhere other than NM and it flips town I speedvote you tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

I made my statement.

[RadiantCowbells]

The only direction I'm okay with today is NM. You are subverting that.
You subverted my Androgy push yesterday and we hit town.
You subverted the FA push on D1 and we ended up hitting town.

If you're town you've either subverted at least one scum lynch that I've tried to make or the scumteam is
Aristophanes/Roshar/Titus.
Which are literally my townreads in order, bar perhaps Roshar.

And I'm 100% not lynching in that pile because that's basically my townreads in order.
So, me not happy. My reads are blinkering in general because of lack of effort but I have a fuckton more info this game than I usually do and I have a bunch of people that I read easily.

NM/FA/Gork/AB make up all of the remaining scum, I'm fairly sure, and considering the FA/you/NM associatives being horrible all around I'm lynching in them.
FA's ability makes him virtually unlynchable. You are you.
So the only thing we're agreeing on here is NM.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not voting outside of it.

I can do NM, maybe do FA. But you supporting one probs means I want to vote the other sooo.

a roleblocker and a rolecop is not strong enough for town in this setup and you fucking know it.

Ehm.
Thinking of it as NM/FA.

FA's role is scummy as fuck.
I bet NM's is as well.

If whoever the SK is has a sketchy ass role as well then my role is pretty strong.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm well aware of that.
I don't really know how to read Firebringer?

I'm scumreading him more from associatives with NM.
If you want to townread him I'm content not lynching him today if he executioners Not_Mafia.
I'm not letting him get an early endgame.

and FA's role is broken af for scum and a potential counterbalance to your role if you are town and hes town.

I agree, but this setup feels imbalanced as fuck anyway. And if the other partner is weak it works out-ish for 2v1v10 with 2 town investigatives?
FA makes sense as a serial killer on that note.

[RadiantCowbells]

But that requires AB to be town which I doubt.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've spent way longer on this game than I intended to.

Ignoring setup speculation, NM is scummy as all shit.
His claim is bogus and feels like scum trying to not get nightkilled by other scum.

FA's role is nearly valueless if town and insanely dangerous to leave in the hands of scum.
We lynch NM using FA's executioner. thank you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't like town trackers, sorry

VOTE: androgybee

Translation: I don't believe the claim

This all seems very pointless to fake, but some of andro's posts in their spam rant felt super scum

VOTE: RadiantCowballs

this look town to you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like even claiming bulletproof townie is so bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not saying that.

I'm saying you've been hard defending at least one scum this game.

You need to think through who that could be.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm actually quite good at reading Titus, contrary to what some people like to think.

i dont think its FA.
it could be NM and im not even really saying that i townread him at this point.

OK. let's agree on that then?
like even if you're scum if he's not on your team he could be SK or vice versa.

im happy im not frustrated right now, but this game is still a bag of feelings that im not parsing well.

The answer is to not play mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

Optimal play is to lynch main faction scum so that SK and scum can crosskill.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am willing to call this a game, and just ask mod to end it.
This argument is pointless theory setup spec and RC isn't even hunting scum.

if NM is scum you owe me an apology for this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I say it as scum because it's what I'm saying as town.
I thought NM was scum before he claimed bulletproof. it just exarcebated my scumread.
Further, I don't recall seeing bulletproof in the list of Plot's roles.

[RadiantCowbells]

Stop criticizing my shit if you're not going to either explain why you're townreading NM or posit another scumread.

And your defense of him is terrible, I'm not going to lie.

[RadiantCowbells]

No one's even voting you?

[RadiantCowbells]

OK, Roshar might be scum.

We're lynching NM though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll do stuff tn. But we clearly have an unclaimed kill, which is worrisome. So it's either Multiball or Maf/SK.

BP is a pretty typical thing for an SK to have. I would not be surprised at all if NM were SK fakeclaiming.

Gladiator isn't a DV and FA insisting on this is weird and probably gambitty to make himself look townier, as a scum DV isn't very common. I think it's a scummy role and that he is likely scum. Of the VTS there is undoubtedly a mafia somewhere in there. That's myself, Titus, Rosh, correct?
Of the three, Titus has been a strong town read all game for me, and I'm me. So I would bet Rosh is the final scum with FA.

I'll check out their Isos and associatives tonight and see what I can come up with.

Why isn't NM scum fakeclaiming though?

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

I'm concerned with lynching NM, him flipping SK, and Firebringer slot quickhammering for the win tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fire Assassin*

[RadiantCowbells]

can't lynch anyone besides Fire Assassin if they're not going to use their ability today is where I stand.

If we lynch SK, which NM may very well be based on people's play around him, FA scumteam gets autowin.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who would you be willing to use your ability on?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Fire Assassin

That role if scum can't be allowed to live. we don't have any other lynch options if he's refusing to use it.

[RadiantCowbells]

You executionise RC

holy fuck you scumlord.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your role adds no actual value to town and means that we can lynch Scum!NM and still lose.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable that I want your role gone.

[RadiantCowbells]

6 players.

insta hammer.

5 players.

night kill.

4 players.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum will either have another vote or SK will be alive and make a Night Kill.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you assuming that we lynch FA's scumpartner today?

If you actually believe NM is SK, that means this:
6 players tomorrow, (I can't quick hammer)
Where is this new vote coming from?

From your fucking scumpartner?

the executioner is able to kill a person who has acquired half-the required lynch votes on a given day. Typically speaking, this ends the day and begins the night phase.

2 votes.

4 to hammer.

instalynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

HOLY FUCK.

ARE YOU LYING ABOUT YOUR ROLE NOW?

[RadiantCowbells]

YOUR ROLE GIVES A LYNCH WITH HALF LYNCH.

IT IS NOT A FUCKING DOUBLE VOTE.

HAVE YOU ACTUALLY BEEN CLAIMING A DOUBLE VOTE NON-RHETORICALLY?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not what the wiki page says.

I'm going to pull up Plot's role PM.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ether, can you verify what the functionality of any Executioner roles in this game would be?

I'm looking for Plot's exec game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I interpreted that as claiming that for this specific day.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok.

I can accept not lynching FA today since it doesn't in fact give him automatic LyLo.

I'd rather he use it but

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[RadiantCowbells]

Helena Cain's functionality was as described by FA and I think that the wiki design would be too strong to give to scum anyway in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

I believe that if we lynch town, SK will kill FA if they aren't the SK.
If we lynch SK, we face 6 way where FA!scum can't quickhammer.
If we lynch main faction scum, FA becomes considerably less dangerous anyway.

If anything my role makes it so 2v2 or 3v3 isn't a auto lose for town.

This doesn't give us a way of actually coming back though unless it's 1v1 but you'd be killed before a 1v1 situation.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, yes?

otherwise they face autoloss.

[RadiantCowbells]

im literally flabbergasted at your assumptions that youre not going to be nightkilled RC.

Where is this assumption made?

[RadiantCowbells]

well your claims that youre going to speedlynch me tomorrow or that a scumteam would kill townFAexecutioner over your role?
i just expect someone like you to say something like "listen you idiots lynch gork after scumfucks kill me pls", where im not seeing any of that here.

I said that the SK would be literally required to kill FA if town got lynched because if he's scum they automatically lose.
I don't have the energy to line up multiple scum lynches, I'm on vacation. shoo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Either lynch NM or give me a good reason not to.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's decided, just vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

um..
why not?

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

I wouldn't mind leashing right now tbh.

give me thinking time.

[RadiantCowbells]

My main issue here is that I think NM may be main faction scum bulletproof.

In any other situation it's beneficial to leash him.

[RadiantCowbells]

If he's scum non bulletproof, SK will kill him.
If he's SK, scum will kill him and we get an additional kill.

But his associatives with most of my scumreads are terrible.

[RadiantCowbells]

why does an SK claim bulletproof?

Why are you caught up on this?
Why wouldn't it just be the simple answer that he claimed SK to avoid getting shot at?
What's your actual role, NM?

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you just vanilla SK?

[RadiantCowbells]

why does SK care if they get shot at?
wouldnt that be better for them?

it just draws all sorts of unnecessary attention that an SK inherently doesnt want to have.
thinking about it more today, it just makes a lot more sense to me for groupscum to claim this to convince SK not to shoot them.

What if he isn't BP?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, town is fucking weak.

Maybe he has ninja or something?

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like Aristo is probably mafia with NM right now.

VOTE: NM

[RadiantCowbells]

To avoid getting lynched since we're setup speccing one as existing and get someone else lynched?

Aero did it in Star Wars.

[RadiantCowbells]

Huge scumread on Aristophanes rn, especially if this flips main faction scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I see the SK claim. Cheet, why are you doubting this so much? Coupled with the original BP claim, it seems pretty legit to me.

p-edit: why not?

This looks like scum fishing for a SK counterclaim.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm talking about Aristophanes?

This feels like NM is Ari's scumpartner and he's trying to figure out who the real SK is.

[RadiantCowbells]

Music is really popular nowadays!

[RadiantCowbells]

AB, who did you target last night?

[RadiantCowbells]

I just realized if scum has a busdriver they don't need to be scared of either a tracker or a role blocker because they thought a night action would never target Gork and as a result they knew a guilty couldn't appear on Roshar.
Scum is in {Roshar, RC} for this to make any sense.

What's your result?

[RadiantCowbells]

I checked Roshar and he's a compulsive music vendor.
So it looks like scum bussed Gork with Roshar?

[RadiantCowbells]

LOL I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE.

It says Gorkington.

interesting.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that Gork might be scum here?
I really don't like how he called FA scummy then they got NKed and I was suddenly a townread.

i would have fucking murdered rc so hard if i was scum with a bus driver.
:/

zzz.

[RadiantCowbells]

What if scum didn't know that our results had the player name in them?
That also makes a bus driver seem a lot more balanced.
Bus driver functioning as semi guilty to role cop + goon / music vendor?

[RadiantCowbells]

If Roshar was bus driver and remaining partner was vanilla and Roshar made the kill as well this sort of makes sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

no but like why the fuck bus with you then.

why wouldn't Roshar bus with a vanilla?

[RadiantCowbells]

why would i bus myself with someone when a rolecop who im leaving alive will get my name as the result if he targets them.
it equally makes no sense.

getting the name in the role PMs is not standard.
Why the focus on name as opposed to the role?

[RadiantCowbells]

im gonna be sad if fire turns out to be scum and played me.
:/

This and FA dying feels really bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk you declare a scumread on someone, make a big deal about me 'expecting not to die', then that person dies and I'm not dead.

it's so obvious that it feels like it might be a frame.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ether, would a person who visited a person with two different actions show up in a tracker report as having visited them twice or just once?

[RadiantCowbells]

it's so obvious that it feels like it might be a frame.

youre probably one of the last people on this site i would want to try and frame if i were scum.

I meant a frame on you.

I'm not getting lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum!Gork trying to get a tracker guilty on Roshar makes more sense than anything else I can think of atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's not bad.

You being scum with a bus driver also helps to explain your perpetual concern that there's not enough power on town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if we assume the bus drive was made for logical reasons then that makes you scum.

It's possible for Roshar to be scum who bussed himself with you... because he thought you'd never be targeted? like AB suggested?
like that would maybe fly with Aristo I guess.

If neither of you are scum then wtf.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean fuck.

I was going to come in and speedvote FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

So AndyBee is pretty fucking town at this point. That's what I've gathered. Gork is lean town for claiming that. Considering we have no mislynches left more than likely, Gork could attempt to 1 v 1 with Andro if that was the setup.

Gork, who did you vend N1? Has anyone confirmed receiving fruit?

AB confirmed receiving fruit and I've confirmed the role independently twice.

[RadiantCowbells]

What if Gork and Roshar are both scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Or here's a thought.
What if it's not a bus driver but like a Beguiler variant?

Anything that targets gets redirected, anything that hits target hits main?

How so?

I visited Roshar and got my gork result again.

[RadiantCowbells]

What roles has Plot gotten in the past that have redirection capabilities?

[RadiantCowbells]

I need to head out rn.
Can someone make a list of all redirection roles that Plot has had?

[RadiantCowbells]

So basically, RC and Ando have to be scum or a bus driver is a given.

Or Andro is scum and I got redirected somehow.

[RadiantCowbells]

No but fuck if scum had a direct form of redirection with a serial killer that's fucking ludicrous.
it's bus driver. Andro is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

No but fuck if scum had a direct form of redirection with a serial killer that's fucking ludicrous.
it's bus driver. Andro is town.

Bus Driver can really neuter a town though, like insanely.

And you're arguing we have two information roles? :/

Yes?

[RadiantCowbells]

The music vendor thing actually makes a lot of sense as town aligned in a setup with a bus driver though because it's an innocuous way for the result to get out that targets are being tampered with.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I suppose that there is a bus driver rather than RC and Ando gambiting, I'm left with Roshar and Ari.

Tbh, I feel more confident in Ari scum than I do Roshar though. Even though Roshar is scum via common sense.

I could see a double scum bus though...

I thought about Roshar/Gork as well.
Bus one, claim that it was a frame on the other, NK one of the PRs, try to caost.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I suppose that there is a bus driver rather than RC and Ando gambiting, I'm left with Roshar and Ari.

Tbh, I feel more confident in Ari scum than I do Roshar though. Even though Roshar is scum via common sense.

I could see a double scum bus though...

I thought about Roshar/Gork as well.
Bus one, claim that it was a frame on the other, NK one of the PRs, try to caost.

[RadiantCowbells]

Especially if they intended to have Roshar be the one to get lynched, NK the tracker, I'm useless and Gork could just cite WELL I WOULDNT HAVE BROUGHT YOU TO LYLO WOULD I.

Actually that makes a lot of sense especially with both of them saying 'we wouldn't have done anything that bad!' but not really going anywhere.

[RadiantCowbells]

Roshar/Gork actually makes the most sense tbh.

[RadiantCowbells]

Roshar is scum unless it's Ari/Gork.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ari would be the bus driver though.
And have not bussed himself, which makes 0 fucking sense.
So it's not Ari/Gork.

So it's basically Roshar/Gork or Roshar/Aristophanes.
Unless it's some crazy shit where AB is scum and trying to act like there's a bus driver for reasons?

But that would only really make sense as AB/Gork- but there's no fucking way there's a redirector/bus driver with what town has then.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Titus is scum she's scum with Roshar.

I don't think she is though?

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus/Aristophanes makes some sense as well.

Titus/Gork doesn't make sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Roshar/Gork
Roshar/Ari
AB/Gork
Titus/Rosh
Titus/Ari

I'm going to reread this tonight and see what I come up with.

[RadiantCowbells]

Has Plot ever rolled something like a sc2mafia beguiler?
It would make sense with the SK if scum could redirect a kill.

Maybe the Gork target was just a throwaway that they didn't really think about.

[RadiantCowbells]

You were a vanilla werewolf.

[RadiantCowbells]

(A) Mega Markov Mastermind Manipulation - Each Night, you may target as many players as you desire to redirect their actions as you like. You may condition your redirections as you like (e.g. if ____ targets ____, then ____, but otherwise _____). However, if you try to redirect the actions of any player who does not target anyone, this action will fail in its entirety. You may try to redirect different actions to separate players (i.e. if a player can use two actions in one Night), but the ability as a whole will fail if you try to specify two distinct targets for someone who does not use two abilities. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

this is way too fucking imba for a sk setup.

no way, not even if it's 1-shot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe if it can't control killing actions?
Maybe it can only control Investigative actions or something like that.

[RadiantCowbells]

doesn't matter how many players it can affect.

being able to redirect the SK would be complete fucking nonsense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe scum didn't use it until they were aware of all the roles in play?

Doesn't change the fact that they could control the SK and basically function as a 2 kpn scum faction with such a role alive.
Plus it's simultaneously a vanilla cop and multiple target redirector.
that alone on a scum team makes for a broken ass scumteam. 2 investigatives plus the ability to control an outside killing role? no.

VOTE: Roshar

[RadiantCowbells]

In terms of who I would lynch, it'd be Aristo. A few things have made me question Gork (that he concluded bus driver instead of redirect before RC came in, him pointing to the fact that scum are really stupid for not lynching scum), but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him as his argument when backed feel genuine. Call me naive.
If I was forced to come up with a second scum buddy, I'd do that after an Aristo flip and get an association there.

This did not come from town.

Right, if you're so sure, then lynch me and end the game.

above.
but it's still probably Gork/Rosh.

[RadiantCowbells]

I voted you because I read that post in the pedit.

but yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

I want to lynch Gork first.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually no.

VOTE: Roshar

Here's the deal Gork.
You are going to target Titus tonight.
AB, you are to track Gorkington.

If their roles contradict, autolynch Gorkington.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually no.

VOTE: Roshar

Here's the deal Gork.
You are going to target Titus tonight.
AB, you are to track Gorkington.

If their roles contradict, autolynch Gorkington.

AB?

[RadiantCowbells]

If AB gets nightkilled I'll figure it out in 4 way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, if Roshar flips non bus driver, obviously track whoever you want.

[RadiantCowbells]

eh this might actually be a terrible distance attempt and gork might actually be town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wouldn't vote Titus so if it is the game's already over.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm with Gork.
This game's been exhausting, I'd be townreading everyone currently alive under other circumstances.

Bus driver not targetting themselves makes no sense whatsoever since it's such an easy guilty for both of us and all that.

Promise?

I'm tempted to place to the blame on town though (yes, I town read you). I probably could have taken more initiative this game though.

If you think Gork's town, who is scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

*checks his pockets*

Nothing in thereeee

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm here.

hi.

AB on Gork tonight please.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wish.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd unvote you but I'm not risking the wagon going onto something dumb.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dont ignore the town rb next time. RC was conf scum.

But my role cop results!

[RadiantCowbells]

because I made a very convincing role cop claim!

[RadiantCowbells]

>.>

I thought this was one of my all time best games.