Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: Robert

Cause my real name is Robbie and people always call me Robert and I hate that name

[Jake from State Farm]

Quitters never win and winners never quit.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....

You shouldn't trust anybody day one.

[Jake from State Farm]

v/la until monday

[Jake from State Farm]

However.......I must prepare myself for Jake. For he may try to take revenge upon me from a previous game.

1. Happy birthday
2. I dont even remember playing with you

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: Zach

[Jake from State Farm]

Sup

[Jake from State Farm]

Good, at least somebody needs to

[Jake from State Farm]

what lead to this vote? obviously I'm fine with votes on Zachstralkita, but this is still a post that's empty other than having a vote in it, which isn't great given how little you've said so far.

Oh my apologies. I read his posts and think he's scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Thank you, and I imagine you wouldn't. I beat you being mafia with AJ. it was awhile back. Was my first time winning as the mafia btw, but you had us pagged from day one.

Interesting so i was somehow good enough to peg you that game and now this game I'm the person you trust the least? If you are town this game that makes absolutely no sense, if you are scum on the other hand I could see why you would be threatened by me.

[Jake from State Farm]

It was my birthday yesterday ladies and gents, please excuse my absence - I'll be online later.

Happy birthday

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the entire game. And in general you got more talk than game.

zach is one of my town reads so I will leave my vote here.

Why exactly?

[Jake from State Farm]

Who has an unwarranted scum read on you? I know I don't so who does?

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean you don't seem to have any reads at all, and the posts you have made are low on contribution

Well clearly that's not true if I've stated I have a scum read and I'm voting said scum read. If you're town stop saying things that just aren't true. If you are scum carry on

[Jake from State Farm]

1. I did actually explain how I got my scum read. Everyone saw when I got it because they saw my vote, and I even explained why I voted him. I did this all in posts 169 & 201.
2. When I voted Zach nobody else was and now only 2 people are so how is that "joining a popular bandwagon" exactly?

Like I said if you are town stop saying things that aren't true. you have now twice said things about me that are lies so now I'm inclined to believe you are probably not town

[Jake from State Farm]

1. Sure it explains why I voted him obviously.
2. I'm not playing dumb. Nobody was voting him so he wasn't a popular bandwagon. Bandwagon in Mafia games implies peopl are voting somebody. That wasn't true so if anyone is playing dumb here it's you
3. Rest assured it's not a scum tactic. I don't take kindly to people lying, especially when it's about me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

[Jake from State Farm]

You should have done that by default. We know you saw me as scum when you voted me, no one here believed you voted me because I'm your townread, am I? He didn't explain it like an astrophysicist, either.

I disagree. I'm under no obligation to explain something as soon as I vote.

[Jake from State Farm]

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

I pretty much did...

Oh I missed that question. Can you link me to it so I can verify this isn't you just saying false things again?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and since we are talking. If you are town please Never do a list read again. Nobody should ever do them again. They rarely actually help town, they are a good way to fake content, and if enough people do them they give scum too much information.

Thanks.

[Jake from State Farm]

Town should only concern themselves with stating who they think are scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Vc

What's going on...? What's this Vc that keeps getting posted

That means vote count. It's a page grab and a vote count will appear eventually

[Jake from State Farm]

So when do you want to explain it... not sure why you're being so difficult

Because I like being difficult. It gets people uncomfortable and things are more interesting when people are uncomfortable.

Now stop your babyrage and stop deflecting questions by calling me a liar

Did you forget this post?

Post 169 and 201 are where I do this. If that's not what you want and you want me to explain myself better all you had to do is ask. If you ask simple questions, I'm going to give you simple answers.

I strongly disagree with this: I think read lists are a good way to show what you're thinking and to get other peoples opinions on things, it also shows what I'm thinking at the time so if I were mafia it would be harder to wiggle my reads around so to speak

Well to be honest nobody asked you and there's better ways to convey what you are thinking without actually doing a reads list. The best way is to wait for somebody to ask you without volunteering in an attempt to make it look like you are providing content.

[Jake from State Farm]

I also think it's valid to assess wagons based on who's on them -- actually, it's probably more accurate than a lot of other scumhunting tactics people use. I let myself join wagons in the past year or so where I thought the people on those wagons looked scummy, and they often wound up being mislynches. I'd convinced myself that it was worth it because the wagon's target looked scummy, and I was wrong.

This is a good post

[Jake from State Farm]

You should have done that by default. We know you saw me as scum when you voted me, no one here believed you voted me because I'm your townread, am I? He didn't explain it like an astrophysicist, either.

I disagree. I'm under no obligation to explain something as soon as I vote.

That's the first time I've heard that. Any game I've ever been in, if someone votes and doesn't give an explanation, at least one person hounds down on them 'em demanding an explanation.
@Jake from State Farm what would be the advantage of not explaining a vote? I would think it's in the town's best interest to know.

Yea that actually happens and that's what should happen. People should question the people who vote without reason. What shouldn't happen though is people shouldn't scum read somebody for it (which happens and is pretty stupid cause it's not alignment indiciative)

I'm not sure if you would call it an advantage but it's just one of these things I do to stir the pot. It forces people to interact with me and by doing that I can kind of get a read on people. I can tell who's really curious like townies should be and who don't really care and just want to make a lot of noise. It's not full proof by any means but then again nothing in the game of Mafia ever is.

[Jake from State Farm]

This might be more work but I think it would be easier to read if you included who made the post too (let's be honest not everyone is going to click on all that)

I certainly won't.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ha's made some good points. That vote for him is probably not a good one.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ha's made some good points. That vote for him is probably not a good one.

Do his good points make him more likely town?

Also, what are your thoughts on Dunn -- as in, why not vote him after your back-and-forth with him where you said he was lying?

Well yes I think it makes him likely town which is why I said that vote is probably not a good one.

I'm not voting Dunn cause I like my vote where it's at now. I will say dunn's avoidance of me now proves he was just doing that for show and has no real interest in trying to find out my reasoning and that worries me.

Right now I could vote for 3 people and would feel pretty good that each would flip scum based on what I've read so far. Well technically 2 cause I'm already voting one of them.

[Jake from State Farm]

OK, could you go into more detail on the zach read then? Because I weaklean town on that slot.

Well for starters he tries to say that the mascot for an American car insurance company who speaks with a British accent is somehow better than me.

But that aside his early posts were kind of meh. I didn't like how he answered on dunn's behalf. I personally can't stand when people do that. His and dunn's early interaction feels too
Cheeky but that's just a guy thing. His unvote on me without anything else kind of bugs me but that's just a "me" thing. His vote on Dunn seems to come out of left field for me and his certainty of scum really struck me as odd. At first I thought it was scum pushing on town Dunn to make it look like he was contributing but it actually now looks more like distancing to me. He knows his push is so ludicrous that it'll never get steam and people wil never think they are scum together. The post that sealed it for me is post 159. The whole if I'm wrong lynch me Schtick is played out. Nobody gets lynched for being wrong day 1 and even n00bs know that. I've seen scum do that in an attempt to make themselves look town.

[Jake from State Farm]

My avoidance of you? You pretty much said you weren't going to answer me and that's ok just something to keep in mind

No I said if you as simple questions you would get simple answers. Did you see what tool did? He basically asked me to explain why I'm scum reading him and guess what happened next? I responded to him. It's not my fault you are too stupid/lazy to figure out how to get me to talk.

[Jake from State Farm]

The fact that you keep trying to twist what I do into things that aren't there irks me, and I'm tempted to vote for you if you don't basically admit that you're just making stuff up to get on my nerves

I haven't twisted anything. What I did do is factually state things about you. Again with the lies. Will it ever stop? Yo I don't know.

As for the 3rd person. It's pretty obvious if you read my posts. Robert is the 3rd. He said he was scum last time we played and I figured he was scum but didn't get him lynched. He says I worry him this game which would imply that he's not town. If he was town why would I worry him? It's strange and I think that means he's probably scum. He's also hasn't really impressed me with his posts so it's still leaning scum on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake from State Farm, I do think you should try to explain your vote as your doing it, unless its spam. He dose worry me.

I suggest you work on your reading comprehension cause I've already done it.

Why if you are town this game would you be afraid of me like your earlier posts suggest?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh I just realized I misread your post. You are saying I should explain it when I vote. Yeah not gonna happen.

[Jake from State Farm]

This is a strange reaction. Why can't I vote heuristically_alone?

I still don't understand why you are voting him myself. After his early absence he's made quite a few posts that make sense and shows he's got a good grasp of the game. The vote makes me think you are afraid of him which is odd cause he's not really made any mention of you in his posts. I see nothing scummy about his posts at all and don't think you've shown anything scummy he's done so yes it's very weird you voted him.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't really care.

Why did you ignore my question?

[Jake from State Farm]

It's also interesting to note your too scum read just happens to be the person with the most votes.

[Jake from State Farm]

*top

[Jake from State Farm]

The fact that you didn't even say why he's your top scum read and gives a vague response while saying I should state my reasons when I vote is kind of contradictory if you ask me.

[Jake from State Farm]

The vote makes me think you are afraid of him

I am not "afraid" of anyone

he's not really made any mention of you in his posts.

This was the attack on my scum-hunting that I felt was unsupported/insincere:

Spoiler:

Because literally every post he has made has been

completely useless

. Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)

Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally

given up anything original on his own

. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely

saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game

. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.

IMO, generic scum-reading buzzwords.

When I get to a computer I'll verify what he was saying but just reading his words at face value there's no way you can say he was insincere. His explanation has more detail then I would expect from scum. You can say it's not true but I'm not sure how you can say it's insincere. This also kind of confirms that you are afraid of him. He makes some points about you and you are threatened enough to vote him. That sounds like fear to me

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok there's no way you can say it and actually be expected to be taken seriously.

I'll do those things after I do the other thing first. I'll probably do it tonight.

[Jake from State Farm]

robert's scum

At least somebody else sees it.

[Jake from State Farm]

JFSF - Is very wrong about readlists, but nothing else about him strikes me as bad. Has been a bit abrasive, but that is a bit of a towntell for me. Not sure about 298 as I don't like h_a much at all, but Jake has a general town feeling about him

I'm actually not wrong about reads lists at all. Clearly you don't know enough about how to play mafia and the art of manipulation. Being able to manipulate town is the best way to win as scum and the more info the scum has, the more they are able to manipulate town.

[Jake from State Farm]

but town gains nothing from list reads imo. Nobody really cares who you think are town and null. It's a waste of time that could be spent better elsewhere. I have never won a game because somebody told me who they thought were town or null. I have never seen any game won because somebody told everyone who they thought were town or scum.

When a game is in mylo and town decides to NL (happens often) to get from even numbers to odd numbers do you know what they actually tell you NOT to do? They tell you not to give any reads because if you do mafia knows who they can kill and who they can leave alive for mislynches.


The same thing applies on each day phase. If scum knows who people think are scum and that person isn't one of them they leave that person alive to be mislynched later. People generally viewed as town are the people they target for nKs

without this info scum have to guess. so bottom line is don't give scum more info than they already have. Say who you think are scum and that's it. If you think somebody is town don't say anything unless it comes up as a direct question.

[Jake from State Farm]

And if you still disagree with me that's cool. We'll agree to disagree

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so I have no idea what is going on right now

Me neither

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd be willing to vote H_A or Iran I am going to wait though before I vote again.

But why are you willing to vote H_A?

Also Jake what do you think about H_A?

Wel had you been reading the game you would see me question voting for him and you would also see me say that he's made some pretty good points. That should lead you to the conclusion that I thought was pretty obvious. I don't think he's scum. I think he's probably town. If you are town (doubtful) please at least work on your reading comprehension. It's very important in this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

He was dodging the game and his only post was a vote on my town read. I think he was just following bandwagons at the time which is scummy. I am pretty confident he will flip scum at this point to be honest.

How could he be following bandwagons when he didn't really join a bandwagon?

[Jake from State Farm]

He was dodging the game and his only post was a vote on my town read. I think he was just following bandwagons at the time which is scummy. I am pretty confident he will flip scum at this point to be honest.

How could he be following bandwagons when he didn't really join a bandwagon?

The consensus at the time was Jake was scum/null I thought

I can't really remember but if he's not the largest vote getter there's no wagon. He only had 2 votes. If you are interested in opportunistic votes look at the ones piling on HA late.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok there's no way you can say it and actually be expected to be taken seriously.

I'll do those things after I do the other thing first. I'll probably do it tonight.

Sons game started late and then went into sudden death after 5 OTs. Now I just want to watch survivor and go to bed. Tomorrow I'll do it.

[Jake from State Farm]

@xyzz

Re:317- cause he was directly interacting with me and I was trying to get him to ask the right question and instead he changed his attention and never really talked to me again until after I made that comment. That to me seems like he decided to avoid me.

320 - I see no reason for any town to say "if I'm wrong lynch me" cause in this game town are wrong a lot. So yes there's a big difference and his comment was unnecessary and I've seen people write that off as a town tell before.

335-336 - those aren't bad posts with faulty logic. Try harder

Ignoring 359/361 cause it's not game related. My stance on list reads is one I've had way before this game and will continue way after this game (aka forever)

385 - definitely floof. He misrepresented ha's original vote and he is attacking him for voting his town read (pretty sure that's called something but can't remember what. Chainsaw maybe?) dunn's vote looks bad to me because he doesn't really give a reason. I don't really care if people don't give reasons but when that person took issue with me not giving one, to turn around and do the same thing himself is kind of scummy. It's also at this point that the HA wagon is starting to grow so yeah don't like those last 2 votes. But really I don't think anyone has made a good reason for their HA vote. Kaiser all but admitted he voted him because he made some points against keyser which just reeks of omgus (even though ha wasn't actually voting him at the time).

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw Dunn leaves his scum read if bins and admits his vote was a bandwagon vote. That's basically admitting he's being opportunistic. A player should never leave their scum read just to bandwagon somebody else that you've never really given a read on (and I don't remember Dunn ever giving a read in ha)

[Jake from State Farm]

@xxyy

First, wow that's a lot of work.
Second here's my responses.

169- see this post - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7872874
201 - good thing I'm not posting to appease you. Don't really care what you or anyone else likes
229 - try again. I wasn't questioning the vote on zack. I was questioning the town read of Zach.
233 - this is an awesome post. Clearly you have poor judgement
235 - my apologies you were voting him but my point still stands. It wasn't a bandwagon vote.
241 - you clearly don't get what I was trying to do. Simpleton
243 - haven't you figured it out already simpleton? I'm not worried about how I look. Only scum have to worry about appearance. I just have to go out and play my game.
245 - sorry simpleton but I'm totally town. Being abrasive and hard headed isn't scummy let alone a scum tell so try again.
255 - first, I'm not required to be "helpful". Sure it's preferred but not required. Second, I'm not playing anti-town. Just cause you don't understand the concept of reaction testing that's not my issue simpleton. Learn to play more mafia games before you act like you know what you are talking about.
276 - just cause town should only concern themselves with finding scum doesn't mean they aren't allowed to comment on other things. Cmon bro.

The rest are already answerd.

Good night.

[Jake from State Farm]

Omg you have been here since 2007 and you haven't figured out my m.o. Yet? Fuck I played a newbie game once with a brand new player who was able to piece together the method of my madness and you have been here since 2007?

[Jake from State Farm]

I misread 229; other than that, as far as I can tell, your entire thing is being belligerent and doing as little as possible to directly contribute to the game as possible, all while occasionally contradicting yourself and telling anyone who disagrees with you that they're stupid. I think that, in the context of how you're acting in this particular game, that you're scum.

Well I don't think this is an accurate statement of my play at all but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[Jake from State Farm]

@zyzz - since you like asking questions so much, here's one for you. What are your thoughts about Robert saying he doesn't trust me and he needs to keep his eye on me when in fact by his own admittance the last time we played I was able to catch him (unfortunately not lynch him) as scum? Do you think if Robert was town he wouldn't have any reason to worry about me?

[Jake from State Farm]

wow robert actually made a good point. I decided to fact check and now I want to ask HA a question.

@HA, can you explain why you think it's possible mafia is taking advantage of robert's early vote like you mention in these 2 quotes

irst off, I found it so strange that so many people read Jack so early on as scum or town based on his vote in post 13 against Robert. I think anyone voting him as an easy vote at the beginning makes for possible scum players, (Keyser, tool, floof for example), not that I'm saying that one of them HAVE to be scum.

I don't have any evidence that Jaack is town, and for me I feel like a mafia would be more likely to take advantage of Robert's weak vote at the beginning

to Robert is scum.

Please show me what caused that 180 because while you never actually say robert is town, it is very much implied you think he could be if you are looking for scum on his early voters.

[Jake from State Farm]

^Wow I did not notice that. Interested in hearing the answer to that as well.

See I can be useful when I want to be

[Jake from State Farm]

Also this seems like a contradiction to me:

I must prepare myself for Jake. For he may try to take revenge upon me from a previous game.

I dont even remember playing with you

Thank you, and I imagine you wouldn't. I beat you being mafia with AJ. it was awhile back.

You thought he would try to take revenge based on a previous game, but you're not surprised he doesn't remember that game?

and let's not forget about the fact that if he were town WHY would he be worried about me this game. If anyone can answer that question with rationale that actually makes sense (robert you can try also if you want) i'd love to hear it.

if robert is town, he should be relieved to be on the same side as me if he thinks I am a good player (thank you for the kind words btw)

[Jake from State Farm]

@jaack: Why did you want pressure on H_A specifically?

H_A is my number 2 scumspect after ira, and I didn't feel as if my vote on ira was accomplishing much (there's only so many times I can hear him call himself town).

So I was looking at the reasons you gave for HA and I kind of have some issues with it.

h_a - Do not like his reads in 281 like at all. Says he doesn't have enough content to judge me fully (?), but feels everyone on my wagon is scummy. Reads to me like someone who knows I'm town and wants to leave as many option open in terms of a future lynch on me. (Keyser saw a similar thing in 311) If he doesn't participate on hypothetical future wagon, then he can point back here and say 'told you so' while also not committing to a full town read on me. Also don't like how he doesn't give reads on ira, dunn, or keyser in that post. He did give a read on ira earlier so I can kind of understand leaving that one out, but leaving out dunn and keyser is weird, as neither are exactly inactive, and h_a had even interacted with dunn significantly before that. If one of {h_a, dunn, keyser} flips scum its probably worth going back and checking out the other two based on this post alone, even though I'm townreading the other two players here pretty hard.

Looking over this.

First - His reads and your reads aren't that different. I mean sure there are some people he has scummy and you have as town and vice versa but it looks like a bunch of people you both sort of agree on. I am not sure why him having different reads than you makes him suspicious. Clearly not everyone is going to share your viewpoint so scum reading him for that is just plain stupid. here is what I put together comparing reads between the 2. The bolded names are where the reads are the same or pretty close to each other which makes me wonder if Jaack actually compared ha's reads to his own.

Spoiler:

Tyler - Town (Jaack & HA)

Keyser - Town (jack) scum (ha)

Tyler - both town
Dunn - both town
xyzzy - both town

zach - Town (Jack) Scum (HA)
tool - town (jack) slightly suspicious (ha)
Bins - Decently town (jack) - leaning scum (ha)

JFSF - both townish

Floof - Don't really give a read but I sense scummy vibes from Jack, leaning scum (ha)

Robert - neither really give a strong read but both seem mildly suspicious

ira - scum (jack) town (ira)

Second - I am not sure what about his post makes you think he knows you are town, but he did say he has you in his town pile so i don't see why you have such an issue with him looking at the people voting you for scum. Seems like you should be doing the same thing yourself (no idea if you actually did or not)

Third - yes Kaiser made the same mistake as you did and it actually looks like you just stole Keyser's thought about him knowing you are town. There is absolutely nothing wrong with somebody thinking a player is town and questioning people on that wagon. Keyser calls it conf. bias but so what, people do it all the time and there isn't really anything suspicious about it. How either of you come to the conclusion that he somehow KNOWS you are town is beyond me.

Fourth -

Also don't like how he doesn't give reads on ira, dunn, or keyser in that post.

why didn't you ask him for them? Anyways as you mention he does give a read on ira previously (town). he also gave a read on Dunn (town), and also for keyser (while he doesn't actually come out and say town or scum, he basically adds on to Dunn's read of Keyser from post 82 where dunn says he thinks keyser is mafia. I believe he also thinks keyser is mafia because he provides reasons for why dunn has come to that conclusion.

So in a nutshell - You and ha have very similar reads, I see nothing that makes it seem like he KNOWS you are town but has you as a town read, and he does basically give a read on everyone.

[Jake from State Farm]

(1) do you think I am useless/spam/non-productive/active-lurking posting?
(2) Highlight any posts where you think heuristically_alone could think I am useless/spam/non-productive/active-lurking posting.

1. You do have a couple of useless/spam/non-productive/active-lurking posts but not as much as ha would lead people to believe
2. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7865133 is really the only one but i don't find it suspicious.

ha's view of your posts definitely seems off base.

[Jake from State Farm]

I will say the more reading I do, my town read on ha has gone away. I'm not ready to call him scum but he definitely gives me some concern

[Jake from State Farm]

I just looked through your iso and don't see any post where you mention his response to your question. I find it interesting that you would do a 180 just because his response so could you please link me to that explanation and go into detail why his response was scummy vs a townie response.

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

@Robert I already explained my reasoning for why I added you to my scum board, and if you were paying attention you would see that it has nothing to do with what you think of me, but of how you answered my question when I asked if you were mafia.

Also, didn't you ask Zach if he was mafia, and not Robert?

[Jake from State Farm]

HA is at l-1 as far as I can tell

[Jake from State Farm]

You're right. Floof was already voting ha when he unvoted Jack and revoted HA.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well it's probably goofy, but my instant reaction to noticing that he left of 3 players is that he accidentally forgot to include his scumbuddies.

[Jake from State Farm]

You know what Jake, you're right, I'm beginning to see your point about reading comprehension.

The most important element of the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

So when you can't explain your 180 and you get called out for your mistake, your read goes to null?

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: Ha

That's l-1

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: Ha

That's l-1

What has H_A done to warrant your vote on him as opposed to me?

What happened to this?

You know what Jake, you're right, I'm beginning to see your point about reading comprehension.

Have you seriously not read my posts I made to him calling him out? Did you see he didn't do a good job explain himself, did you see how he's flipping his read on Robert based on the pressure he's received for his original 180?

Cmon if you are town please keep up

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel like HA is a good lynch. But I feel like it's a tad fast to lynch right now and I kinda want to sleep on this and come back and look at it with a fresher eye tomorrow. So in the meantime I'd like to ask for no hammers on H_A just yet. And certainly don't do it without getting a claim out of him first.

We can slow down some

unvote

But consider my vote still on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Doesn't matte what you were talking about, the fact is you need to work on it some more if you were seriously asking me that question.

[Jake from State Farm]

Meh scum could easily make a post like 192. It certainly isn't a "strongly town aligned post"

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm inclined to agree but I've also seen some really crazy things

[Jake from State Farm]

Meh scum could easily make a post like 192. It certainly isn't a "strongly town aligned post"

I don't think heuristically_alone would do that while scum-aligned as a relatively new player.

He may be a new to this site player but he's not a new to Mafia player (I don't even think he's a new to this site player personally. I think he's an alt account)

[Jake from State Farm]

Also, I am not an alt.

Ok my bad you just feel like you are too experienced to be a newbie.

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not sold either but not going to lynch it today.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: HA

[Jake from State Farm]

That's l-1

[Jake from State Farm]

Wait I want to look at something.

unvote

[Jake from State Farm]

does anyone ever crumb anymore

Crumbing is stupid

So looking at completed games there were 22 games that had bodyguard and only one also had a doctor. So it's possible both exsist but not very common at all

[Jake from State Farm]

does anyone ever crumb anymore

Crumbing is stupid

So looking at completed games there were 22 games that had bodyguard and only one also had a doctor. So it's possible both exsist but not very common at all

crumbing is goooooood imo

was it a 13p mini normal

Yea it was. Want a link?

[Jake from State Farm]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28790

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I agree with you bins but you know these normal reviewers in my experience suck at reviewing games. Yeah I said it reviewers. Shots fired

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: HA

L-1

[Jake from State Farm]

That's not how a weak (not week) role works. The modifier you just described is macho (can't be protected by protective roles)

This is a Normal game which has to use Norma modifiers so you want to try that again?

[Jake from State Farm]

Normal modifiers *

[Jake from State Farm]

I call it weak. I doesn't matter if someone tries to protect me. I die anyways if I'm attacked. I've never heard of macho before Jake. Link me?

But the modifier makes sense now with two protective roles. But it's a moot point. If both are town, they are both outed now. Witch hurts the town.

I don't have a night action.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Macho

So you aren't really weak (against site normal guidelines to be what you say you actually are with what you are claiming to be)

And you aren't macho.

Question is what are you and why lie about it?

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw Robert how does having a macho role make sense for 2 protective roles. I don't understand that logic.

[Jake from State Farm]

clicking and posting

vote: dunn

[Jake from State Farm]

So who are you currently scum reading? You ask a bunch of questions but I don't remember seeing you really make a strong push on anyone. It's actually kind of annoying but that's just a personal thing

[Jake from State Farm]

@robert - please do me a favor and explain this whole claim debacle. Also who are your current scum reads and why

[Jake from State Farm]

So who are you currently scum reading? You ask a bunch of questions but I don't remember seeing you really make a strong push on anyone. It's actually kind of annoying but that's just a personal thing

Trying to find where you have scum reads day 1, I don't see where you did at all. Which is interesting since you asked at least one person for their reads but never really gave any of your own(if I'm mistaken please link me but on my phone I couldn't see it. )

[Jake from State Farm]

it was moderately confusing before having a Zach and a Jaack and a Jake; now we have a Zakk, too.

I'm Zaack from State Farm, get it right pls thx

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: Robert2424

I have a big post detailing why this is scum on the way, but for now I'll park my vote here.

In other news, a couple parts of 698 give me scumvibes. Xyzzy uses a lot of words to say very little, at least in terms of opinion.

I also don't like the unnecessary apology for tunneling zach. Looks like scum that's too self aware of how they're playing.

Meh I don't think he's scum. The whole role pm was weird but scum isn't going to out themselves like that as their partner is about to be lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

Nah he's a bad lynch imo and you should feel bad for making that post

[Jake from State Farm]

Then Robert comes in with his lolclaim and we all wait around to figure stuff out before we lynch HA.

What's the scum motivation for this? If scum is about to be lynched why would scum out themselves like that? They wouldn't.

The fact nobody hopped on Robert doesn't mean anything either. Ha's lynch was a done deal the moment a cc happened. No scum would risk exposing themselves by hopping onto Robert

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and if you say wifom I'll virtually slap you after the game if you are town

[Jake from State Farm]

Dude you aren't using common sense right now and that bolded doesn't make him look scummy. Trust me I think his claim is weird but there's literally no reason for him to make it as scum. I thought he was scum also But when I apply logic and common sense I just don't see scum intent. We can just agree to disagree I guess.

[Jake from State Farm]

And i definitely think there is better people to pressure, at least this early in the day phase.

[Jake from State Farm]

lso gonna go ahead and second that the vote on Dunn is a bad move

Objection noted

[Jake from State Farm]

Because it's basically the same as claiming scum with another player. It's suicide.

Robert is town. Move on

[Jake from State Farm]

Dunn is the one who should be looked at. He at one point said he thought that ha was town and then did a 180 saying that posts after he claimed were scummy but I looked over those posts and didn't really see anything after he claimed that was so scummy. I think he realized that lynch was inevitable and decided to buss. Plus he's said multiple things that just wasn't true. He's not trustworthy and is probably scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

And i definitely think there is better people to pressure, at least this early in the day phase.

How to pressure:
Vote without a reason
Never explain why while blindly defending another guy
Again, never actually pressuring with anything and just trying to get a bandwagon going
Have not even Zach follow your vote who you thought would be gauranteed

That's not how you pressure people. Maybe you should change your strategy?

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you kidding me by saying h_a never acted scummy after claiming or are you just acting desnse to get a reaction on purpose?

Every single thing he said after claiming was scummy to the max

I'm sorry I disagree. But I also found his posts before his claim not scummy either. This is no reaction test and I'm certainly not acting dense on purpose but I didn't find anything scummy about them. Would have been nice if you had pointed out some and explained why they were scummy but doesn't really matter at this point

[Jake from State Farm]

Dunn these things you quoted and say they are interesting doesn't really help. What about them do you find interesting? What can you infer from those posts?

[Jake from State Farm]

Unf if you are town I can't follow your train of thought. Even if I could I cant follow somebody proven untrustworthy to me.

I like my vote where it's at. As I said earlier your reaction to ha stood out to me and to add on you kind of gave me a nervous vibe towards the end of the day.

[Jake from State Farm]

Unf = Dunn

[Jake from State Farm]

guess part of it is he basically fillered after claiming and didn't contribute at all or do anything to try to change peoples minds

Ok that I can actually agree with. I just didn't really read it as scummy but then again I've been pretty lost most of the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

No you are most definitely scum. Town just doesn't lie that many times. If I'm wrong and you are town you seriously need to stop it

I'm lost cause it seems people are all over the place day 1 and I had trouble really agreeing with many people.

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: zakk This is a good choice too

I'm pretty sure Jake, zach, and tyler are all town

How to you go from one of floof and bins is scum to voting somebody you weren't even talking about? That literally makes no sense considering you just voted a couple of minutes ago

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh my bad zakk is floof

Still don't know why you changed from bins to zakk (floof)

P.edit - yeah just got it

[Jake from State Farm]

Distancing is possible.

[Jake from State Farm]

Do you have short term memory loss? At least twice maybe 3 times day 1 I accused you of saying things that weren't true. Today the post that you made that was obviously your attempt to accuse me of things I weren't doing were mostly untrue as well.

[Jake from State Farm]

You were wrong every time day 1 too, I've basically accepted that every game I enter at least one person will randomly hard tunnel onto me without a real reason

short term memory loss = something that happened 3-4 days ago

When did I accuse you of doing things you weren't? Post 726? Here the thing: you were doing all of that. I was just pointing it out, I didn't say you were mafia for it and I don't think that

I was wrong none of the times day 1.

And yes post 726.

You are correct that I voted without reason. That's my thing and you really need to get over it at this point.
You are incorrect that I was blindly defending especially because I explained why I was defending Robert.
You are correct that I'm not pressuring anything with my one vote. Nobody can pressure with just 1 vote though. I can at least try by placing my vote on who I think is scum
You are incorrect in saying that I thought zach's vote was guranteed. I'm not even sure how you could even say what I'm thinking with such certainty. I didn't actually have Zach on my mind at all when I voted you.

So half of your post is factually wrong and 1 part while factually correct is actually impossible for anyone to do

[Jake from State Farm]

I haven't read the entire thing but that post by tool is pretty good on the parts I've read. Kudos sir. I wish I was able to put in that kind of effort to games. I sure hope you are town. If you are scum I'm doubly impressed.

[Jake from State Farm]

So who's your top scum reads and why

[Jake from State Farm]

Well, I was half right, but still in the dark.

Why are you voting Dunn Jake? I'm honestly surprised there isn't a vote on me yet.

I explained already. I think he's scum. His reactions surrounding ha felt nervous. The way he did a 180 based only on his posts after his claim felt weird because I didn't read them as scummy. Also if you remember back he didn't even have a reason for his original vote on him (funny since he gave me shit for not providing reasons for my votes. It's very hypocritical of him to go and do it himself and still act like people have to provide reasons). He voted HA when a couple other votes piled on and he was all like "we are bandwagoning ha" when he had no reason to even be on the wagon.

Feels like he felt a shift coming and people he probably were town reading were voting him so he joined on early so it wouldn't look like bussing

[Jake from State Farm]

Robert you quoted my questions but only answered half of it. Please explain this whole role claim debacle

[Jake from State Farm]

I did seem to somehow leave xyzzy out, but I mainly feel town with this one.

why?

[Jake from State Farm]

Tbh I don't know how anyone can have a read on xyzzy. He just asks a shit load of questions and doesn't really provide any analysis at all. He doesn't vote anyone nor make any pushes. It's really just all filler.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well yeah it is but it's not necessarily alignment indicative.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd definitely be willing to pressure it to do something but I don't see any reason to leave a scum read.

[Jake from State Farm]

Not really and that's just more evidence you are probably scum. People do stupid things sometimes to call a mistake super sketchy is really scummy actually. Scum love when townies make mistakes.

[Jake from State Farm]

But I have reasons and provided them in the thread TWICE. Yet again another lie you've told.

[Jake from State Farm]

And this isn't hard core tunneling. You haven't seen hard core tunneling yet. I make people wish me dead irl when I hard core tunnel

[Jake from State Farm]

I can guarantee, 100%, that Robert is town. That is all I have to say on the matter.

If you believed that you wouldn't have called out one of his posts to throw dirt on him

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw I already said Robert was town first. Don't try to take credit for something I already did

[Jake from State Farm]

I can guarantee, 100%, that Robert is town. That is all I have to say on the matter.

If you believed that you wouldn't have called out one of his posts to throw dirt on him

And one more thing. If you believed that you would have not criticized me for defending Robert.

why can't people see you are scum? Like you are super obvious

[Jake from State Farm]

You are still on the table today.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm vanilla town by the way

Yet somehow you 100% know Robert is town?

Yeah why don't you explain why you tried to cast doubt on Robert and now all of a sudden out of the blue he's 100% town.

Not just for me, please do it for everyone alive

Thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

Realistically you can still get lynched today. Please answer my question

[Jake from State Farm]

And that's why he's scum ladies and gentleman.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not answering any question from you until you answer my question.

[Jake from State Farm]

You're mistaken. You think I was trying to cast doubt on Robert. In truth, maybe I was. He seemed suspicious at the time. However, I've changed my mind. I did criticize you but I had good reasoning to at the time, from my point of view

Can I ask,

besides me

, who do you think the mafia could be?

No I'm not mistaken. You did try to cast doubt on him and no you had absolutely no good reasoning for it.

You are scum 100% people REALLY need to sheep me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ugh I've got to get up early for a half marathon tomorrow. Please people lynch Dunn while I'm sleeping. He's scum I guarantee it and I rarely guarantee anything.

Good night.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake: continuing the whole "Dunnstral was lying" thing (757) is pointless. i

No it isn't because HE HAS BEEN LYING AND TOWN SHOULDN'T LIE

[Jake from State Farm]

Dunnstral is town.

No he's not. Trust me

[Jake from State Farm]

Go f yourself ok

[Jake from State Farm]

Rob is town unfortunately

[Jake from State Farm]

Read your sig cuz it looks like you're having LOADS of fun

I am. Would have more fun if people would help me lynch scum but nobody seems to want to

[Jake from State Farm]

Read your sig cuz it looks like you're having LOADS of fun

I am. Would have more fun if people would help me lynch scum but nobody seems to want to

Might be a bit awkward to backtrack day 3

No backtracking. Your play reeks of scum

[Jake from State Farm]

HEY HE GUARANTEED IT MAN YOU KNOW GUARANTEES ARE ALWAY S RIGHT

Who guranteed it?

[Jake from State Farm]

Also that's a pretty ballsy and stupid move. He directly asked the mod to confirm it and you'd imply he's gambiting, Dunn?

And yet another example of why Dunn is scum

[Jake from State Farm]

We need zachstral in here to tell us zakk is town while zakk does nothing

Cmon bro he didn't have a role pm. There no way this post comes from town. Criticizing a player for not doing anything when he didn't even have a role pm is just a cheap shot.

[Jake from State Farm]

So you're argueing without even knowing your role? So your argument means nothing either way and you're ignorable. Also really slimy tactic to pull too

Any chance of me thinking you're town is gone now

These imply you think he's gambiting especially the second one. You owe the man a fucking apology and you need to stfu and let him catch up.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have a pretty strong townread on Jake. I think Robert is town at this point. I

Why and why

[Jake from State Farm]

you did

oh I said that before I went to bed last night forgot that carry on

[Jake from State Farm]

WHOA that's the closest I've seen you come to using a naughty swear word in my LIFE, something's gotta be off here

He's rattled. His plan is unraveling in front of him and he doesn't know how to recover. He realizes hey if I curse maybe people will think I'm town cause no way scum would do that after Jake got a warning for just typing The letter F

[Jake from State Farm]

My read on you is purely because of how stubborn you're being. It is getting to be a little too much, though. I don't agree with your read on Dunn and I think you shouldn't be taking this stance with zakk. He shouldn't of been posting if he didn't have his role PM.

Literally nothing Dunn resembles town. Plus the way he voted ha out of the blue for no reason whatsoever when the wagon was forming screams bus vote. Once the cc happened he was trying to act like ha was town and then he pulls some 180 on him again.

That's scum bro, 100% scum

Look I even left off the lying and being a hypocrite stuff out. If I include those that is definitely more proof.

[Jake from State Farm]

Slimy tactic as in he tried to get votes off of him without a role pm (they shouldn't have been posting)

And I town read his reaction but then turns out he didn't know his role

Saying I implied he was gambiting is actually desperate, just admit you're wrong and have no reasoning to tunnel me

The only one doing anything slimy was you and you did imply he was gambiting. I have also now started reasons for why you are scum for a THIRD, time.

We know you have proven you have poor reading comprehension do we need to work on counting also?


Stay in school kids

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes zakk shouldn't have posted before getting his role pm but he did. That's more the mod's fault. Using that against zakk in this game is slimy as hell and no townie should do that. Attacking a player who just got his role pm for not doing anything and not giving that player time to catch up is also slimy as hell.

[Jake from State Farm]

And if you are somehow town please avoid me from future games. I don't want to play with a player who plays slimy.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes zakk shouldn't have posted before getting his role pm but he did. That's more the mod's fault. Using that against zakk in this game is slimy as hell and no townie should do that. Attacking a player who just got his role pm for not doing anything and not giving that player time to catch up is also slimy as hell.

Yeah sounds pretty slimy, who did that?

You did.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you're town you don't deserve any chill. The most disgusting display ever from a townie but I doubt you are

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and in case you're wondering. I STILL haven't begun hardcore tunneling yet.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you're town you don't deserve any chill. The most disgusting display ever from a townie but I doubt you are

I get that a lot thanks

Unfortunately for you everyone else thinks I'm town and your entire case on me is in your head so I suspect you'll be rather disappointed when you realize that yes, I'm just town you tunneled on.

@Bins why do you think I claimed VT? Don't answer that, just think about it

Still trying to act like I haven't provided any reasons why I'm scum reading you. How cute.

You do realize that people can actually see I've provided reasons right? You saying they don't exsist doesn't make it true.

If people need me to treat them like they are in preschool and actually quite everything I need to show why you should definitely not be town read I can but I really shouldn't have to since I've already explained multiple times where to look.

[Jake from State Farm]

I wouldn't claim VT without a reason though

But you did...

[Jake from State Farm]

(expired on 2016-05-10 17:42:23)
Just dropping this as a reminder to myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

Got prodded.

See Dunn isn't lynchhed. Not sure why

Dunn where did the out of the blue vote for ha come from day one? You never explained it

[Jake from State Farm]

What out of the blue vote

My rvs vote in post 4? Or me hammering ha after saying ira was town all of day 1

VOTE: heuristically_alone

For the record I still have a scum read on bins

Also H_A did actually say he thought I was town before he gave his reads list which is why I didn't question my absence

Also iffy on floof now

We're bandwagoning heuristically_alone that's whats happening

And then why do you go on to question someone who says they want to vote him?

I'd be willing to vote H_A or Iran I am going to wait though before I vote again.

But why are you willing to vote H_A?

Also Jake what do you think about H_A?

Let's not forget early on you attacked Jaack for his vote on ha (among other things) and when someone else votes him for not posting you come to his defense.

Once ira claimed there was a tone in your post that seemed like you were open to exploring other options (throwing dirt on bins and even that all 3 were town)

[Jake from State Farm]

As for who else is Mafia? Idk too many shit posters making it hard to decide. If I could somehow summon the power of day vig I'd eliminate bins for sure. If he's town his play is atrocious imo. Also anyone who thinks Robert is scum probably deserves to be shot as well and is possibly Mafia trying to capitalize on his mistake.

I'm not really following the game until you are lynchhed so I probably can't answer anything else.

(expired on 2016-05-13 17:18:15)

[Jake from State Farm]

If he's town his play is atrocious imo.

I will lynch you.
Grr.


It's actually funny because all the townpoints I was giving you are now going to Dunn because I realized I might have the wrong idea.

Ok? Ask me if I care

[Jake from State Farm]

I know he's missing other people, but still. I find it odd that he'd omit Dunn, the person with 10000 posts this game.

This was covered already. Glad to see you confirm why your play is atrocious. Dunn wasn't listed in that post cause he already gave his read of Dunn. This very thing was discussed later in the game. Possibly twice but definitely once.

[Jake from State Farm]

For the record here was floof's reply to my question:

I'd be willing to vote H_A or Iran I am going to wait though before I vote again.

But why are you willing to vote H_A?

Also Jake what do you think about H_A?

He was dodging the game and his only post was a vote on my town read. I think he was just following bandwagons at the time which is scummy. I am pretty confident he will flip scum at this point to be honest.

VOTE: H_A

And I believe the "following bandwagons" part was actually derailed as being untrue

You do realize you were the one who accused HA of that right?

[Jake from State Farm]

You accused 3 people of hopping on wagons and 2 weren't true. No idea about the 3rd

[Jake from State Farm]

You do realize you were the one who accused HA of that right?

No I'm not. Floof is

No it was you. See the bolded below

VOTE: H_A

Actually thinking about it this needs to post more.

Not sure if that's deserving of a vote, he just got in here with this

Hey everyone. Feel free to call me Alone. This turned into a crazy weekend. Starting tomorrow I will be able to take this game super serious!

Though his followup is kind of iffy

VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the entire game. And in general you got more talk than game.

First of all there wasn't anything special about his first post? Just an rvs vote and his entry

Second of all you pretty much read to me as going for the easy lynch/joining a bandwagon,

especially since you haven't contributed any other reads of your own

[Jake from State Farm]

Yet another lie from Dunn yet people don't want to lynch him. Fucking weird as shit

[Jake from State Farm]

But I never accused H_a of hopping onto a wagon

And that's the one I'm talking about

And that's the one who floof was talking about

And the one that flipped mafia

But you did. Just quoted it. Oops

[Jake from State Farm]

I know he's missing other people, but still. I find it odd that he'd omit Dunn, the person with 10000 posts this game.

This was covered already. Glad to see you confirm why your play is atrocious. Dunn wasn't listed in that post cause he already gave his read of Dunn. This very thing was discussed later in the game. Possibly twice but definitely once.

Can you kindly shut the fuck up about my play?

No

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh you know I just realized I probably read that wrong...

[Jake from State Farm]

My bad

[Jake from State Farm]

So you didn't accuse ha of that but you accused floof. Either way it wasn't really true and that actually makes you look worse. 2 different people vote HA and you go after them. Ha flips scum and you are still going after the floof slot. You actually do the thing you accuse others of but have no reason. You say today you had a scum read in HA yet there's no actual evidence of it. What there is evidence of is you chainsaw defending HA instead.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah. Guess who has horrendous play now!

Reading mistake =/= horrendous play. Read your Iso for that. Btw my reading mistake actually worked out in towns favor as it shows how bad Dunn actually is

[Jake from State Farm]

join me

let's do it

Pretty sure I was the first to vote Dunn so people need to wake up and join me.

P.edit aww look more mud slinging from Dunn. Town just doesn't do that

[Jake from State Farm]

If people want to think I'm a pr I'm ok with that.

[Jake from State Farm]

He also said I was a good person...

[Jake from State Farm]

because he's one of the most unpleasant people to play with

Love you too babe

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake saying that town doesn't mud sling (1166) is hilariously hypocritical and no one had done as much mud-slinging as he has

I don't fee like I've slung any mud at all cause everything I've said is basically the truth. (With the exception of parts where I made mistakes and later corrected myself)

[Jake from State Farm]

Well you could argue that his "why not just full claim" comment as an attempt to get me to figure out if I'm actually a pr or somebody who's just confident in his reads. Anyone who knows me though will know I can get pretty hard headed once I make my mind up on my reads.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well you could argue that his "why not just full claim" comment as an attempt to get me to figure out if I'm actually a pr or somebody who's just confident in his reads.

Eh...I just can't really wrap my head around the mindset where somebody would think that would work and get the PR to out themselves or drop a big hint or something.

Also I think you missed this question from me earlier:

Would have more fun if people would help me lynch scum but nobody seems to want to

What do you think of HA's interactions with Dunn?

Kind of weird, kind of hard to put into words especially without going back and reading them again but I don't think they really reveal much. I think dunn's actions were more telling. But I've covered that

[Jake from State Farm]

zakk is like my number 4 lynch choice after robert, xyzzy, and bins, but xyzzy is the only one of those that seems to have a chance at happening right now.

Eh whatever. Better to have a vote on a wagon than not
VOTE: zakk
That's L-1

Dude you really need to remove Robert from your list

[Jake from State Farm]

brb replacing out cause this is stupid

No replacing out is stupid.

[Jake from State Farm]

Alright let me make an executive decision as the town leader here: vote zakk. Still feeling much better about this than xyzzy

You are not the town leader.

[Jake from State Farm]

zakk is like my number 4 lynch choice after robert, xyzzy, and bins, but xyzzy is the only one of those that seems to have a chance at happening right now.

Eh whatever. Better to have a vote on a wagon than not
VOTE: zakk
That's L-1

Dude you really need to remove Robert from your list

You have no right to talk while voting me

I have every right to talk cause you are scum and Robert is town

[Jake from State Farm]

You are not the town leader.

Let's ask a professional

Hey Daniel Bryan am I right?

[Jake from State Farm]

we could just hammer and save zulfy the trouble

That's just as stupid

[Jake from State Farm]

Has anyone even made a case on zakk? I swear I haven't seen a single convincing peice of evidence on him plus he basically stayed on ha's wagon all day. I've seen hard core bussing before and this didn't even look like it to me.

If zakk is scum I'm probably going to quit Mafia cause I would have been fooled not once but twice in the same game

[Jake from State Farm]

multiple people have given good reasons for voting him

read the thread

I'm pretty sure I've read the thread already and don't remember seeing a reason that made me go "wow that's really good maybe I'm wrong about him"

The ONLY thing I've seen that makes me want him lynched is his bullshit replace out but that's just policy and not really alignment related

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so let's see.

Tyler's vote came after one of those iso summaries I used to do so well. Problem is you can do that to easily manipulate anyone and I even did them as town convincing myself somebody was scum only they weren't. Ignore. Next

Dunn - ignore he's scum and I doubt he's bussing at this point.

Zakk - in the post he made when he voted zakk he only has 1 line. He says his lack of content feels deliberate.

That's 0-3 guys if this were baseball it would be a strike out...

Next is tool who I've had trouble getting a strong read despite his many wordy posts. Oh damn another iso analysis? Shit I had such high hopes from tool. Oh wait it's not really an Iso analysts it's a rundown on how floof joins the wagon. I think this is actually a god post however it's ruined by the favt tool doesn't like that zakk is trying to lynch scum while people are trying to lynch him.

Last is Jaak - his eh why the hell not attitude really rubs me wrong. With so much time in the day there's no reason to give up his top scum reads and vote his 4th.

If zakk flips town jaack is definitely scum imo which would make jaack/Dunn the scum pair left. Is that possible? Yeah I guess it could be

[Jake from State Farm]

I think he's just trolling at this point. I don't particularly care for him atm but I don't think he's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Gonna guess you mean xyzzy there

I like how I'm being ignored thoguh I've quoted and pointed out a bunch of valid reasons for zakk being mafia

Yes I meant xyzzy

Why would I read your posts. You are confirmed scum from my pov so obviously and bussing doesn't make sense.

But I'll humor you ok? You seem to want your ego stroked

[Jake from State Farm]

Can you link me to it? All I remember seeing was you calling him scum for posts he made when he didn't even have a role pm which again really confirms you aren't town

[Jake from State Farm]

Trolling isn't really townie either. It dose not help finding scum.

Yea but so many people do it now to dumb down their town meta. It just ends up being a policy lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

It ain't over til he's hammered. We still have time so why the rush? Yet more evidence you aren't town and when zakk flips town and you kill me tonight I swear to god people better lynch your ass

[Jake from State Farm]

And if he is replacing out like that as scum it's pretty much rule breaking

no it isn't?

Yes it is

L-1 replace outs like that are generally regarded as town
Any replace out that isnt related to commitment problems / personal problems w some asshole in the game are unfair imo

I think I've seen Zor or someone mod kill someone for it

It's not rule breaking. It sucks but it's not violating any published rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry I'm bitter cause I had a legit reason for replacing out once and people were up on my ass for "doing it for town points"

Easy solution. Don't worry about what other people think.

[Jake from State Farm]

To quote a famous Matthew: Alright, Alright, Alright

Thought that was Kevin hart...

[Jake from State Farm]

Welcome

Hopefully the mod gave you your role pm

[Jake from State Farm]

I do like chubby chicks