Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)


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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 11:46 am

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Dunnstral wrote:So who's mafia then Zachstral? Why are you ok with voting xyzzy? What about BINS?
Well to be honest xyzzy's text walls are either really town or really scum, but just because I wouldn't be fucked to put that amount of effort into appearing town as scum doesn't make it improbable. I'll go through the ISO because there's some stuff about their tone may be off.


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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 12:38 pm

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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 2:19 pm

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HA's interactions with...

Dunnstral:

-#268 is HA providing reasons to Dunn for why Keyser might be scum. It seems a little more coordinated than I would expect from two partners...possible, but I lean town.
-The second half of the post is....a little harder to tell. HA is clearly buddying up to Dunn. My first thought rereading this is that HA was trying to drop associatives with Dunn so that if he flipped we would come back and think townDunn was HA's partner. And then it veered immediately into WIFOM territory from there when I realized it could also be HA trying to look too buddy-buddy with his partner for people to ever think they were scumpartners. I'd tend to believe the former (that HA was buddying up to townDunn) over the latter, just based on the different levels of insidiousness and foresight necessarily involved in each scenario.

Robert:

-Says Robert's been inactive and he doesn't have a read on him in #281, but leaves open a door to possibly scumread Robert later. This one could go either way in terms of looking partner-y.
-Suddenly has Robert as a top-two scumread in #392.
-Ah right, and then Jake points out the weirdness about HA's flipflop on Robert, which is that before #392, HA was talking about Robert like he was town and using that to justify another read (on jaack I believe).
-And then in #434 HA talks about mixing up Robert and Zach re: which person he'd asked if they were scum. He says he mixed up games, but bottom line is HA invented reasons to scumread Robert. That suggests HA is not partners with Robert imo. The whole arc looks a lot more like HA being opportunistic scum than it looks like bussing scum.

Bins:

-HA's take in #281 on Bins' #38 is pretty weird. It's like he's saying that regardless of whether Bins looks towny or scummy, she will be scum. Lean not partner on this.

Zachstralkita:

-#265 seems pretty ballsy for a partner-on-partner interaction. I think I'd actually have to give kudos to HA on this one if he's partners with Zach because this just does not seem like a partnery interaction at all.
-HA's reasoning for keeping his vote on Zach in #281 feels forced.
-Yeah he just clearly is trying to come up with reasons to keep his vote on Zach. Feels like HA was treating Zach as a safe haven for his suspicions. Def does not look like partners to me.

Keyser:

-Again, #268 doesn't seem like HA talking about a scum partner to me. A player brings up that they can't justify a scumread on HA's partner and HA volunteers reasoning for why his partner is scum?
-In #394 HA puts Keyser in his top three for scum for a dumb reason. Reminds me a little of how it looked like he was reaching for reasons to scumread Zach actually.

xyzzy:

-Only three mentions of xyzzy in HA's ISO, and two of them are when he's using xyzzy to explain his townread on Dunn.
-The third is in his readslist in #281, and it's an underdeveloped townread on xyzzy.
-This is maybe partner material.

floof:

-And an underdeveloped scumread on floof in that same readslist (#281).
-Literally no other comments on floof throughout the game.
-Also maybe partner material.

Tyler:

-Only real mention of Tyler is in the #281 readslist, and it's a townread...despite the fact that he first points out that he doesn't understand why tyler posted his first post. The townread is for having similar thoughts about the game.
-Also maybe partner material.

Jaack:

-By far the weirdest thing here is HA at first treating Jaack like he's town by looking for scum going after Jaack (#281), then later reversing (#329) and talking about how scum would be more likely to go after Robert's vote (like Jaack did). That's basically the bulk of his interactions with Jaack actually. It seems almost like HA slipped that he wasn't Jaack's partner by first treating Jaack like he was town. Part of that theory has to do with how HA responds to Jake in #422, by repeating what he said in #329 even though it didn't make sense. It's like he was trying to cover up a mistake he'd made, the mistake being that he had forgotten to leave room for the possibility that Jaack was scum.

Jake:

-Gives a somewhat confusing reason for townreading Jake in #281. Other than that, not really a whole lot of any thoughts on Jake. Jake's interactions with HA are far more significant imo.

Looking better: Dunn, Robert, Bins, Zach, Keyser, Jaack

Neutral: Jake

Looking worse: xyzzy, floof/zakk, tyler
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 2:27 pm

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In post 772, Tyler the Creator wrote:i can see where he's coming from with the tyler stuff for the most part except ignoring ha isn't exactly fair to say because he was pretty lurktastical
True, he was pretty lowkey for the beginning of the game.
In post 772, Tyler the Creator wrote:and i did put some attention on floof's initial vote there
Ah, so you did. Noted.
In post 772, Tyler the Creator wrote:and coming back right around his claim was just a matter of the timing just happening that way
Right, I mean if you're scum that's all you can say and if you're town it's true, so it's not a point that can really be vetted for me.
In post 772, Tyler the Creator wrote:plus realistically the chances of a robert wagon (or anyone else for that matter) going through were slim to none and i'd have probably played it similarly as scum except i probably don't bother voting robert to try and get him to respond to my question because why bother (which he still hasn't done btw)
I tend to discount reasoning like this just because I think people can be swayed a lot when they're in the moment -- ie, it could seem obvious to a player looking back now that the robert wagon wouldn't go through, but for a scum partner maybe at the time it could seem more possible and therefore appealing.
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 2:30 pm

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If I were to vote right now I think it'd be for zakk. But atm I feel more inclined to come back to this tomorrow and see if I feel the same way. Either way it'd be worth it to ISO xyzzy, as I'm realizing now that they've kind of flown under my radar.
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:05 pm

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I can guarantee, 100%, that Robert is town. That is all I have to say on the matter.
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:11 pm

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Also, I've solved this game. Let's vote for zakk please. This is almost guaranteed to be mafia.
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:18 pm

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In post 831, Dunnstral wrote:I can guarantee, 100%, that Robert is town. That is all I have to say on the matter.
If you believed that you wouldn't have called out one of his posts to throw dirt on him
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:24 pm

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Btw I already said Robert was town first. Don't try to take credit for something I already did
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:26 pm

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In post 833, Jake from State Farm wrote:
In post 831, Dunnstral wrote:I can guarantee, 100%, that Robert is town. That is all I have to say on the matter.
If you believed that you wouldn't have called out one of his posts to throw dirt on him
And one more thing. If you believed that you would have not criticized me for defending Robert.

why can't people see you are scum? Like you are super obvious
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:29 pm

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zzz

That's a nice story you've got there we can discuss it day 3 when I'm even on the table :D

You should come sheep zakk, you agree that they're likely mafia yes?

And I assure you, I'm not trying to take credit from anything
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:30 pm

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I'm vanilla town by the way
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:31 pm

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You are still on the table today.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:32 pm

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In post 837, Dunnstral wrote:I'm vanilla town by the way
Yet somehow you 100% know Robert is town?

Yeah why don't you explain why you tried to cast doubt on Robert and now all of a sudden out of the blue he's 100% town.

Not just for me, please do it for everyone alive

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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:32 pm

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...What do you think of floof/zakk? Realistically I'm not getting lynched, just think about the current lynch that people are gravitating towards, do you think it's good? ok? or bad?
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:34 pm

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Realistically you can still get lynched today. Please answer my question
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:34 pm

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In post 839, Jake from State Farm wrote: Yet somehow you 100% know Robert is town?
Yes
In post 839, Jake from State Farm wrote: Yeah why don't you explain why you tried to cast doubt on Robert and now all of a sudden out of the blue he's 100% town.
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In post 839, Jake from State Farm wrote: Not just for me, please do it for everyone alive
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:34 pm

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And that's why he's scum ladies and gentleman.
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:35 pm

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That's nice but what do you think of zakk?
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:35 pm

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I just want your opinion.
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:36 pm

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I'm not answering any question from you until you answer my question.
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:40 pm

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You're mistaken. You think I was trying to cast doubt on Robert. In truth, maybe I was. He seemed suspicious at the time. However, I've changed my mind. I did criticize you but I had good reasoning to at the time, from my point of view

Can I ask,
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:41 pm

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@Robert can you sheep me and vote Zakk :)
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:42 pm

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In post 847, Dunnstral wrote:You're mistaken. You think I was trying to cast doubt on Robert. In truth, maybe I was. He seemed suspicious at the time. However, I've changed my mind. I did criticize you but I had good reasoning to at the time, from my point of view

Can I ask,
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No I'm not mistaken. You did try to cast doubt on him and no you had absolutely no good reasoning for it.

You are scum 100% people REALLY need to sheep me.
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sat May 07, 2016 3:44 pm

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Ugh I've got to get up early for a half marathon tomorrow. Please people lynch Dunn while I'm sleeping. He's scum I guarantee it and I rarely guarantee anything.

Good night.
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