Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[heuristically_alone]

Mod speak translation to English:

"Why does pain suffer
Why does silence cry"

"Consequences from entering a heart--" *hic*
"To somebody that doesn't love you"

[xyzzy]

I don't think lynching Robert makes the most sense here; either his claim is legitimate but was poorly delivered, or it's a completely incomprehensible gambit; I doubt the latter is that likely, especially given that mafia have daytalk--I doubt any rational scum would make a fake claim like that under any of the likely circumstances, especially when they have the chance to confer with their teammates to discuss things.

[iraonavp]

I think that Robert is town-aligned.

I feel like heuristically_alone is more likely to be town-aligned than not, when I think about it. I'm doubting that there would be both a macho townie and a bodyguard, when both aren't strong roles.

I strongly doubt this is a gambit on Robert's part to save heuristically_alone, where both are scum-aligned.

552 does give me cause for concern, though.

I think we should not lynch heuristically_alone, and definitely not Robert2424. I won't protect him so mafia can kill him if they want to, otherwise he can have the opportunity to save others from death.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

[xyzzy]

if you think we should lynch h_a, why did you vote for Keyser, who you don't even mention in that post?

[iraonavp]

I don't think we should lynch heuristically_alone.

[xyzzy]

oh, I missed the word "not".

[Tyler the Creator]

I feel like heuristically_alone is more likely to be town-aligned than not

...and which one of his caught-scum troll posts he's posted since you counterclaimed him caused you to change your mind?

[Dunnstral]

...But why Keyser? You never really gave any reasoning for that

[Dunnstral]

Tyler what do you think of Zach? I know you town read him but have you noticed he stopped all aggression on me for... quite a while now, and only acts that way when he had something to "go on" that you quoted ("?") and when I called him out on it

@Zach what do you think of H_A?

[Tyler the Creator]

like his tone, just feels town

[Tyler the Creator]

yea him hopping on that quick wasn't great but when you explained why you said what you said would you find it more scummy for him to keep pushing it or drop it?

[Dunnstral]

You mean when he quoted that one part? I wouldn't say that's actually suspicious on it's own, more like the fact that he's kind of coasting now and actually following along with my opinion without any aggression at all

I don't really know for the second part? I definitely think it would be weird if he kept pushing that as he didn't really have a case to begin with, and I actually wouldn't expect him to... follow up anyway

[Dunnstral]

I'm kind of thinking h_a might be town just because I think robert and ira are both town, and his role would make sense

[Dunnstral]

though on the other hand h_a's posts since he claimed have all been scummy and that also makes me want to lynch him

[Keyser Söze]

Bank Holiday's over, so will be giving this game my full attention now.

[Zachstralkita]

Tyler what do you think of Zach? I know you town read him but have you noticed he stopped all aggression on me for... quite a while now, and only acts that way when he had something to "go on" that you quoted ("?") and when I called him out on it

@Zach what do you think of H_A?

Scum. Am I not voting him?

[toolenduso]

The amount and structure of resistance to lynching HA makes me continually comfortable with the lynch. And regardless of his flip, we will have a lot more evidence to look at tomorrow than we've had for most of today.

[Dunnstral]

Tyler what do you think of Zach? I know you town read him but have you noticed he stopped all aggression on me for... quite a while now, and only acts that way when he had something to "go on" that you quoted ("?") and when I called him out on it

@Zach what do you think of H_A?

Scum. Am I not voting him?

You're not voting him

[Zachstralkita]

Pretty sure I'd be the hammer then


I'll move things right along but I think people aren't done talking

[Tyler the Creator]

most of the lurkers have checked in to weigh in about the claims, at this point it feels like we're dragging our feet

unvote;
vote:ha

should be l2

[Robert2424]

I mean, you make some salient points. But there are a couple of points not quite making it all the way through my head:

Scenario 2 is just about as unlikely due to Robert's claim. His claim doesn't make much sense if he's the only scum: he was trying to stop a lynch on one of two prs in that scenario.

Wouldn't it only make sense for Robert to have been trying to stop HA's lynch, given the fact that Robert didn't claim until

after

ira counterclaimed? Put another way, ira was not in danger -- so how could scumRobert's claim have been a means of getting scumIra out of the noose?

And if it is the case that Robert-ira doesn't make sense as a scum team, then doesn't that change your possible arrangements to {all three are town} or {Robert and HA are scum together; ira is town}?

The Robert/ira scum team is definitely the least likely, which is why we should lynch HA first if robert flips scum. But if we assume that that is reality for a moment, then the second that HA flipped town (which he is in this scenario) ira would be basically confirmed scum. Robert would be preemptively protecting his scumbuddy I guess. It doesn't make that much sense but its probably the 3rd most likely case.

Ira or h_a being scum alone is maybe possible, but it wouldn't really make sense with Robert's role. Macho townie is a really strange role unless there are multiple protective options.

I don't believe I've ever played with a macho role and I don't really understand why it would make more sense to have a macho role with two protective town PRs than with one protective town PR.

Well macho town with no night role is almost 100% pointless. Macho is primarily used to balance a powerful role in a game with a doctor (e.g. a Cop+Doc is really powerful, while a Macho Cop+Doc is reasonable). There isn't really any reason for a Macho VT to exist in general. In order for such a role to come into play, both a doc and a nk would have to target what is essentially a VT. In order for that role to make any amount of sense, there would have to be multiple protects. Even then, it still seems weird, particularly if Robert is the only Macho townie.

Doc+BG is weird. Macho VT is weird. Doc+BG+Macho VT is weird, but there is a bit of logic there.

Like if I were to put totally made up odds on it

64% - Robert and HA are scum, Ira is town
30% - All Town
5% - Robert and ira scum, HA town
1% - Something stupid

Jack. If your going to mention me in your posts. Please use proper grammar. Out of all the people who suspect me, you make the least amount of sense. I literally reread some of your posts several times.

P.S. your %'s make 0 sense.

[Robert2424]

Also, how do you plan on making us both flip. Are you soft claiming vig?

[Jaack]

Jack. If your going to mention me in your posts. Please use proper grammar. Out of all the people who suspect me, you make the least amount of sense. I literally reread some of your posts several times.

P.S. your %'s make 0 sense.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I literally write for a living, so, you know, I know how to grammar good.

My percents were my opinions of how likely each scenario was. I don't see how they wouldn't make sense.

It's also nice how you failed to criticize any of the points I made.

I also have no clue what you are talking about with the vig thing. My plan was to lynch you today and, assuming you flip scum, lynch HA tomorrow. But seeing as there doesn't seem to be significant support for that, I guess HA is okay enough to vote

VOTE: heuristically_alone

That's L-1.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think we should lynch heuristically_alone.

Can you explain why you think that? Because I'm still leaning towards lynching him and I know Zach also wants to lynch him so we actually have more than enough people here to lynch him

[Dunnstral]

I actually have

intent to hammer

But I'm waiting to see if anyone else has anything to say (specifically Ira)

I plan on hammering in around 10 hours from this post