Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[shos]

VC hier

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-05-08 16:35:11).

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes for a lynch.

VC 2.1

Votecount #2.1

BlueBloodedToffee

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The Banterlords

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FA_Q2

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BlackStar

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Masquerade

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Ircher

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TheDominator37

(2) - MagnaofIllusion, The Banterlords.

MagnaofIllusion

(2) - Polar Vortex, BlueBloodedToffee.

Polar Vortex

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A Real Scourge

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NOT VOTING (6) - Masquerade, FA_Q2, BlackStar, Ircher, A Real Scourge, TheDominator37.

NOTICE:

1. TheDominator37 and A Real Scourge have not picked the daystart PM. An unofficial prod has been sent.

[MagnaofIllusion]

But no, Magna, the fact that I think you buddied each other doesn't mean I don't know how scum buss. I'm a big fan of bussing. But sometimes experienced players decide to protect each other strongly. And with the precarious position both of you were in I could certainly see something like that. I've seen that as well. So don't imply I don't know how to play the game based on that. It's silly as fuck. And note I never said that Ranger getting killed was only based on the fact that she suspected you. I just used it as a point in the case(the weakest one actually)

Do the two third parties include you? Because I see no reason for the mod to word it like that.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings but your logic was terrible. What other viable wagon was there aside from Code and myself at that point in the day? None. There would be nothing to be gained from me as partner to Code to say “I read Code as solid Town” and vise-versa when there isn’t a viable other option on the table. And there wasn’t.

Yes, I did check and the multiple 3rd parties does include my own slot. You can take it up with Shos post-game about why he chose to provide me with the information structured in the way he did. And of course I paraphrased those as copy-pasting from a role-PM is a no-no. But I can’t answer for the whys of the Mod’s motivations.

I'm so fucking done with this crap every game. It's my playstyle. I hate quicklynches, flashlkynches, whatever the term you want to use if fine by me. I hate them. I hate not being able to talk. I hate not being able to read back and get something more out of a Day than only votes on a wagon, even if it was on scum.
Besides that there's also the thing where I have trust-issues which translates into mafia in me not trusting other people to unvote in time. It's a personality thing and I'm getting more aware of that so in another couple games I'll probably won't be this careful anymore but it;s a work in progress.

So I looked back at your Day 1 (mosty skimming) and it stood out to me that you weren't looking for scumteams, just individual scums which does point to you knowing about the 3rd parties beforehand. It could also be a sign that you're SK-hunting scum yourself. The informed points you have are all known already so it doesn't prove anything. Your crumb doesn't prove anything either to me.
I'm not sure if I should believe your claim, I think it's a convenient wifom-claim to make for scum. I think your case on Dom is actually compelling now, also combined with how he hasn't posted yet at all today. I'm going to have a think about all this and post my thoughts on it later, I'm a bit conflicted rn.

You understand that regardless of whether the first paragraph is true or not that entire posting is not alignment indicative – personality is personality and it would not be unexpected for scum-Masq to follow along with what his personality says is the correct Town play. Long story short – I can see the scum motivation in that play. I think Dom is pretty clearly the obvious scum choice.

As to your second paragraph – if you think I am Serial Killer hunting scum why do you think I would claim Survivor which is a “Lynch before LYLO” role when there is any suspicion on my slot at all? I’m not sure what WIFOM-claim even means in context so I’ll set that aside. And you did know there third source of potential kills? That’s interesting given there were only two kills last night. Care to clarify why that is not new information to you?

Also - do you really think looking for scum-teams before even a single scum flip is good scum-hunting?

[Polar Vortex]

I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

[BlackStar]

I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

I don't think anyone would want to answer that

[Masquerade]

You understand that regardless of whether the first paragraph is true or not that entire posting is not alignment indicative – personality is personality and it would not be unexpected for scum-Masq to follow along with what his personality says is the correct Town play. Long story short – I can see the scum motivation in that play. I think Dom is pretty clearly the obvious scum choice.

Ok, I guess there's nothing more I can say about it then.

As to your second paragraph – if you think I am Serial Killer hunting scum why do you think I would claim Survivor which is a “Lynch before LYLO” role when there is any suspicion on my slot at all? I’m not sure what WIFOM-claim even means in context so I’ll set that aside. And you did know there third source of potential kills? That’s interesting given there were only two kills last night. Care to clarify why that is not new information to you?

If you're scum you could hope we think you claimed the PL-role hoping we'd assume scum would never ever in a million years claim a role like that. And that's what I mean with wifom-claim.
DK was a 1-shot BP.

Also - do you really think looking for scum-teams before even a single scum flip is good scum-hunting?

I think it comes natural for townies to look for scumteams and (unconsciously or not) go on pre-flip associations. It has nothing to do with good or bad scumhunting.

[Ircher]

Back for V/LA –

Well just a quick scan of thread tells me I don’t have time to mess around with this stupid wagon on me. So I’m claiming.

I’m and Informed Survivor (SMS Computer Algorithm). That’s right I’m 3rd party. I win if I survive til the end of the game regardless of who wins. I got three pieces of information in my role PM about the set-up itself.

1. There is a lyncher in the game.
2. There are two 3rd Parties in game.
3. There are at least three different possible kill sources in the game.

My play surrounding Ranger was 100% based on the fact that his lazy call of me as 100% scum without so much as building a case was a strong player replacing into the lyncher slot with me as the target. Now that Diamond has actually flipped that role and is still a non-3rd party (argue if you want but Semi-Town is still Town) I’m in agreement we have a Serial Killer in the game. Because if the other lyncher was not 3rd Party I don’t see any other reasonable non-Bastard roles that fulfill the second piece of information (since I am the first 3rd Party role).

If you want some breadcrumbing from me go to 512 and note my comment to Banter regarding 3rd Parties not being in a Mini game.

And I’m personally pretty sure I’ve already pointed out who the last Mafia member is.

VOTE: Dom

481 is a classic scum oops where he forgets that Town doesn’t know his scum team is only two players. And the hop on Code at 902 when the issue was already decided is literally worst last second bussing ever. Maybe on the off chance Dom is the Serial Killer but I’m fairly confident he’s the Mafia boss.

First: Code didn't fight for his survival. That leads me to think the other wagon(Magna) was also scum. He didn't want to lynch Magna not because he liked him, but because he didn't like Ircher who was attacking Magna. That means defending his partner without really defending.
Second: The chainsaw on Ircher was ridiculous. Code was in a good position before he went after Ircher. Why did he need to go after Ircher in such a bad way? They could have left their heads down and not stick out that much. I think Code was getting scared of a Magna lynch where the momentum was going.
Third: Read the flavor for Code's flip. It says that the other scum is their boss. That would be a good idea why Code preferred to be lynched instead of Magna.
Fourth: Ranger is dead. Ranger was the leader of the Magna wagon.
Fifth(not related): I think we've got a serial killer in the game. I believe Ranger was killed by the scum and DK by the Sk. Another theory would suggest Ranger being killed by DK but that makes absolutely no sense with DK's lyncher role.

Yeah this is bad. Bearbert if you seriously think the best method for one two-man Mafia team to deal with each other is when both are under fairly solid suspicion is to call each other strong Town reads then I can’t help you. Perhaps a trip back to the Newbie queue would do you good.

I will add I think it is funny you basically said “Ranger will get worked out overnight” which means you expected her death due to the claim and then when that happens the only logical reason is that she suspected me.

Faq, I'm going to get back to you on BBT but first want to do this.

VOTE: magna
It's Monday.

Yeah on the off chance I am wrong about Dom this should be the next lynch looking for the Mafia boss. The whole dance around “Well Magna is V/LA so no need to turbo lynch” combined with this vote literally 9 hours into today reads as scum who knows I’m not flipping Mafia and wanted to look Town for being careful.

We're not lynching a claimed survivor right now.

[Polar Vortex]

VOTE: Dominator

[Polar Vortex]

^bear

[Ircher]

I like rhe Dom case right now; sheeping:
VOTE: Dom

[FA_Q2]

I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

Why would anyone answer this?

We are either doing a full claim (not really unusual in a RM game), no one is going to answer you or you need to tell us why you are seeking that answer.

[Ircher]

Would massclaim be a bad idea right now?

[BlackStar]

Would massclaim be a bad idea right now?

There wouldn't really be any way to confirm most of our roles, and it would make it easier for scum to choose their targets. So yeah, probably not a good idea

[Polar Vortex]

I've just got a thought. Does anybody have an investigative role? By that I mean allignment cop only not tracker/watcher. I'll explain after I get an answer why I asked this

Bearbert

Why would anyone answer this?

We are either doing a full claim (not really unusual in a RM game), no one is going to answer you or you need to tell us why you are seeking that answer.

Ok. Had to try. Basically the fact that Code's partner was reffered as a boss made me think we would have a godfather. And since DK wasn't really an investigative role, godfather wouldn't make sense with anothet cop. But I think a town cop would have counterclaimed DK. And I think an SK with a cop role would fit. So I hoped the SK would have been stupid enough to claim and out himself. Low percentage of working but it doesn't hurt to try.

But this leaves an interesting idea. If we agree it's a strong possibility the SK has a cop style role, then I think we should start looking at the way people reacted to DK's claim.

[Polar Vortex]

^bear

[Ircher]

Thats stupid imo.

The flavor is prob. flavor; stop throwing mod wifom in.

[FA_Q2]

SK cop?

That would be a new one. SK and cop roles do not fit together at all.

[Ircher]

They do better than Mafia + Alignment Cop

[Polar Vortex]

SK cop?

That would be a new one. SK and cop roles do not fit together at all.

I've played an SK cop before. Made sense as knowing the scum team is useful.

Bearbert

[Ircher]

@Polar
How do you know there is a cop?

You claimed reflexive poisoner, right? How do we know you aren't TPR SK or Mafia?

[Polar Vortex]

@Polar
How do you know there is a cop?

You claimed reflexive poisoner, right? How do we know you aren't TPR SK or Mafia?

You told me not to do mod wifom anymore. So I'm not doing it. I don't know there's a cop but that wording really implied a godfather to me.

And you're free to think whatever. That doesn't change the fact that we're obvtown

Bearbert

[Ircher]

A reflexive poisoner is imo not obvtown. I will scratch the mafia possibility though -- No reason for you to claim. But, I stuill entertain the TPR idea....

But, we're not wasting a lynch on you since you're dying anyway

[Polar Vortex]

A reflexive poisoner is imo not obvtown. I will scratch the mafia possibility though -- No reason for you to claim. But, I stuill entertain the TPR idea....

But, we're not wasting a lynch on you since you're dying anyway

We're obvtown based on play not role

Bearbert

[Ircher]

D1 was good. D2 has me questioning though.

[Polar Vortex]

The whole having one day left to live and our main suspect claiming survivor situation is kind of demotivating. It just wakes up the lazy in me.

We don't need to rush this day though. I mean, we definitely shouldn't. If we mislynch today we'll be in trouble. We really need to make sure we lynch the last mafia or the SK.

-Snow

[FA_Q2]

The whole having one day left to live and our main suspect claiming survivor situation is kind of demotivating. It just wakes up the lazy in me.

We don't need to rush this day though. I mean, we definitely shouldn't. If we mislynch today we'll be in trouble. We really need to make sure we lynch the last mafia or the SK.

-Snow

While I don't think we should rush, what makes you think we are in trouble? We have lost 1 3p, a scum and 1 town. We are in damn good shape right now. If the setup spec is correct and we have a 3p and a scum remaining that means 8 vs 2 that are not on the same team.