Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[toolenduso]

This is an interesting way/reason for town-leaning Tyler the Creator [based on the nature of him being mass-town-read]. I kind of switch off to the popular town/scum reads on D1. Have you found this observation-method accurate in previous games?

Not sure whether I've used this particular way of looking through things in an MS game before...I'd lean toward no. I think I actually approached it this way because I'm fresh off a game night where me and a couple other scummers played Resistance. I won't go into the details of how that game differs from forum mafia, but suffice to say that when scumhunting in that game you need to look at things a little differently. Specifically, you have to watch for ways that people make choices that seem to align them with certain other players.

Yeah, definitely not joining the bins wagon now... while I think dunn's argument has merit, I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.

Does knowing that I'm not on the wagon change the way you feel about the Bins wagon at all?

But as for tool=scum he has largely been going with what was popular at the time (early dunn questioning, my mini wagon) it's not much, but it gives me a lingering feeling he's scum.

'twas coincidence, not cause.

(It wasn't that I was following other people, it was that I happened to think something was significant and I wasn't the only one to think that)

In other news, ira may or may not be playing to his scum meta from the last time I played with him. I'm gonna go back and check out his early play in that game...

[Floof]

VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the entire game. And in general you got more talk than game.

zach is one of my town reads so I will leave my vote here.

[Zulfy]

Cho cho chofe para el taxi
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Votecount 1.04

Zachstralkita (L-4)

:xyzzy, JFSF, heuristically

iraonavp (L-4)

: Jaack, Tyler, bins

heuristically_alone

: floof

Dunnstral

:Zachstralkita,

Bins

: iraonavp

Jaack

: Toolenduso

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-05-06 16:00:00)

[Jaack]

Does knowing that I'm not on the wagon change the way you feel about the Bins wagon at all?

Ira's presence alone is a deal breaker for me. But you not being on it makes bins alignment messier from my pov. Still like the ira wagon a lot better, but the bins wagon doesn't really look like a mislynch waiting to happen anymore.

'twas coincidence, not cause.

(It wasn't that I was following other people, it was that I happened to think something was significant and I wasn't the only one to think that)

That's reasonable enough, but it doesn't change my read on you all that much.

@floof - What makes you thin Zach is town? What do you think of his "case" on dunn?

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the entire game. And in general you got more talk than game.

zach is one of my town reads so I will leave my vote here.

Why exactly?

[Zachstralkita]

Hey guys, I think the real question here is your unwarranted scum read on me.



I just have your best interests at heart.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who has an unwarranted scum read on you? I know I don't so who does?

[Dunnstral]

@Zach get out of here with that
Also maybe death tunneling me day 1 without reason maybe wasn't such a good idea after all, what say you

Yeah, definitely not joining the bins wagon now... [while I think dunn's argument has merit, I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.

Why not?

Pedit-Tyler is right, 210 is a bad post.

Why do you think it is a bad post?

Who has an unwarranted scum read on you? I know I don't so who does?

vote: Zach

what lead to this vote? obviously I'm fine with votes on Zachstralkita, but this is still a post that's empty other than having a vote in it, which isn't great given how little you've said so far.

Oh my apologies. I read his posts and think he's scum.

I mean you don't seem to have any reads at all, and the posts you have made are low on contribution

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean you don't seem to have any reads at all, and the posts you have made are low on contribution

Well clearly that's not true if I've stated I have a scum read and I'm voting said scum read. If you're town stop saying things that just aren't true. If you are scum carry on

[Dunnstral]

Does knowing that I'm not on the wagon change the way you feel about the Bins wagon at all?

Ira's presence alone is a deal breaker for me. But you not being on it makes bins alignment messier from my pov. Still like the ira wagon a lot better, but the bins wagon doesn't really look like a mislynch waiting to happen anymore.

'twas coincidence, not cause.

(It wasn't that I was following other people, it was that I happened to think something was significant and I wasn't the only one to think that)

That's reasonable enough, but it doesn't change my read on you all that much.

@floof - What makes you thin Zach is town? What do you think of his "case" on dunn?

I see this now - what's your read on tool?

I mean you don't seem to have any reads at all, and the posts you have made are low on contribution

Well clearly that's not true if I've stated I have a scum read and I'm voting said scum read. If you're town stop saying things that just aren't true. If you are scum carry on

Yeah in 230 posts what you've done is vote someone and say he's your scum read. You haven't explained how, why, or when you got this scumread and in addition haven't done anything to help town (you joined a popular bandwagon)

[Jake from State Farm]

1. I did actually explain how I got my scum read. Everyone saw when I got it because they saw my vote, and I even explained why I voted him. I did this all in posts 169 & 201.
2. When I voted Zach nobody else was and now only 2 people are so how is that "joining a popular bandwagon" exactly?

Like I said if you are town stop saying things that aren't true. you have now twice said things about me that are lies so now I'm inclined to believe you are probably not town

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach get out of here with that
Also maybe death tunneling me day 1 without reason maybe wasn't such a good idea after all, what say you

If I thought it was a bad idea I wouldn't have done it.

[Jaack]

I see this now - what's your read on tool?

Scum, but not super scum. Probably my no 2 scum read after ira, but definately an order of magnitude less scum than ira.

Did not like 210 for the "I'm gonna vote a lurker cause you're all so town" aspect. Looked like bins recognized he was about to do something scummy and decided to butter us up with townreads to make us ignore his scumminess.

Methinks a townie would have just voted for a lurker.

[Dunnstral]

1. I did actually explain how I got my scum read. Everyone saw when I got it because they saw my vote, and I even explained why I voted him. I did this all in posts 169 & 201.

No, all you said was "I think he's scum" That's not explaining anything

2. When I voted Zach nobody else was and now only 2 people are so how is that "joining a popular bandwagon" exactly?

Don't play dumb. Everyone was thinking about him and he's the easy lynch

Like I said if you are town stop saying things that aren't true. you have now twice said things about me that are lies so now I'm inclined to believe you are probably not town

Not sure what scare tactics like this will accomplish if you're town

[Bins]

I see this now - what's your read on tool?

Scum, but not super scum. Probably my no 2 scum read after ira, but definately an order of magnitude less scum than ira.

Did not like 210 for the "I'm gonna vote a lurker cause you're all so town" aspect. Looked like bins recognized he was about to do something scummy and decided to butter us up with townreads to make us ignore his scumminess.

Methinks a townie would have just voted for a lurker.

I actually do think scum is being quiet right now.

Also, I'm quite self-aware.

[Jake from State Farm]

1. Sure it explains why I voted him obviously.
2. I'm not playing dumb. Nobody was voting him so he wasn't a popular bandwagon. Bandwagon in Mafia games implies peopl are voting somebody. That wasn't true so if anyone is playing dumb here it's you
3. Rest assured it's not a scum tactic. I don't take kindly to people lying, especially when it's about me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Jaack

You should be embarrassed to be such obvious mafia.

With all of this I'm pretty confident in Jaack being mafia with robert looking scummy by association (even though he hasn't done anything)

how was he looking scummy by association having done nothing? (these are your own words)

Here are my reads right now:

Town
Tyler the Creator
iraonavp

xyzzy
Keyser

bins
Jake from state farm
toolenduso
Zachstralkita

Jaack

Mafia

Here are my reads right now:

Jaack

Mafia

Mistakes were made

UNVOTE: jaack

With all of this I'm pretty confident in Jaack being mafia with robert looking scummy by association (even though he hasn't done anything)

whatever that was, it was not by any means confidence. and all these little colored read lists accomplish is making you look like you're town.

at this point jaack and bins have basically switched places on the list.

vote:iraonavp

Hey bud that's a town you're voting for

It's not as all if you'd know. Unless you... know.

I'm less inclined to believe that jaack is mafia and would rather get bin

I'm less inclined to believe any of the townies' lives are significant to you in any event.


And you're not asking any vague questions directed at specific people (but not for a specific reason, only randomly) in this game because you don't want to get strung up.

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

You should have done that by default. We know you saw me as scum when you voted me, no one here believed you voted me because I'm your

townread

, am I? He didn't explain it like an astrophysicist, either.

[Jake from State Farm]

You should have done that by default. We know you saw me as scum when you voted me, no one here believed you voted me because I'm your townread, am I? He didn't explain it like an astrophysicist, either.

I disagree. I'm under no obligation to explain something as soon as I vote.

[Dunnstral]

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

I pretty much did...

[Jake from State Farm]

Instead of going back and forth with me on this stupid shit, I'm surprised you didn't do the most logical thing and ask me to explain in more detail why I'm scum reading him.

I pretty much did...

Oh I missed that question. Can you link me to it so I can verify this isn't you just saying false things again?

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and since we are talking. If you are town please Never do a list read again. Nobody should ever do them again. They rarely actually help town, they are a good way to fake content, and if enough people do them they give scum too much information.

Thanks.

[Jake from State Farm]

Town should only concern themselves with stating who they think are scum.

[Zulfy]

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[Zulfy]

"For you"