Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)


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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:13 pm

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it seems off mostly because it's a scum post
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:45 pm

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In post 174, xyzzy wrote:what lead to this vote? obviously I'm fine with votes on Zachstralkita, but this is still a post that's empty other than having a vote in it, which isn't great given how little you've said so far.

Oh my apologies. I read his posts and think he's scum.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:49 pm

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In post 191, Robert2424 wrote:Thank you, and I imagine you wouldn't. I beat you being mafia with AJ. it was awhile back. Was my first time winning as the mafia btw, but you had us pagged from day one.

Interesting so i was somehow good enough to peg you that game and now this game I'm the person you trust the least? If you are town this game that makes absolutely no sense, if you are scum on the other hand I could see why you would be threatened by me.
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4. Tunneling sucks (unfortunately I can't seem to stop)
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:49 pm

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In post 194, Keyser Söze wrote:It was my birthday yesterday ladies and gents, please excuse my absence - I'll be online later.

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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:03 am

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In post 87, Zachstralkita wrote:Yeah, seeing as your efforts in that regard have proven so useful to us.

Thus, were/are you
null
on Dunnstral's contributions so far?


RE: xyzzy's catch-up post

In post 89, xyzzy wrote:12: I'm getting town vibes from this--not voting during RVS isn't inherently bad, and there's at least enough content to this post to generate discussion. doing things that
generate discussion early on is good and pro-town, and that's what this post does
.

I'm not sure that was Robert2424's motivation - IMO, it's lack of drive/stance was the thing that caused it to "generate discussion".

In post 89, xyzzy wrote:38: I don't agree with the sentiment that someone's comfort level can function as a tell with any real level of precision; there are probably just as many people who do exactly the opposite as scum.

I partly agree with this - if a player is 'comfortably' spamming the thread, I would null read this at best. But yes, if someone has a comfortable/open style of sharing their thoughts/feelings, I find this town-indicative.

In post 89, xyzzy wrote:59: this post is really incoherent, but that's my cat's fault for waking me up at 4:30 am.

:giggle:

I like this observation:
In post 89, xyzzy wrote:70: this is the first post from Zachstralkita that I think actually says anything significant; the rest of his posts before this one have a really low signal:noise ratio.



Feeling better about xyzzy - her early posts seemed very guarded (player's sitting on their thought-process make me feel uncomfortable), but her catch-up post (post 89) seems more natural and expressive of her actual stances.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:29 am

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In post 91, Dunnstral wrote:All of this is Jaack pushing on robert for basically no reason. The fact that he just continues on about it was very telling to me. It actually makes me suspect that this is a possible bus between two mafia, though it's also possible that it's just Jaack as mafia pushing on a townie who can't fight back.

I've seen Jaack jump on two things already with an axe (Jaack called it "playing aggressively") - but I'm actually null-town-leaning this style of play now. D1: I feel like scum would be the one standing behind the guy with the axe and not the one
holding
the axe.

UNVOTE: Jaack


In post 94, Zachstralkita wrote:Blatant scum.
Are you kidding me?


VOTE: Dunnstral

What was your read of Jaack?

In post 96, iraonavp wrote:
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up

Same.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

That vote
:giggle: The WIFOM that pours through my veins is telling me
too-bad-to-be-scum
(i.e scum would at least sheep something meaty).
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:50 am

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In post 107, Tyler the Creator wrote:it felt like someone trying to break the mold
someone not trying to make friends

Yes, I think I see your perspective now. I like players who don't hold their punches (as long as I can see the thought-process). Interactions with players (whether offensive/defensive) is
information
(pro-town-play).


In post 119, toolenduso wrote:In other news,
re-reading gave me a townlean on Tyler.
Not entirely for the way he's playing
, though he is doing work (a surface-level towny-looking thing), but more the way that people started townreading him almost in kind of snowball fashion. It's striking me as the kind of thing where town say he looks town, impressionable town agree and scum hop onto the townreading wagon in an effort to have genuine-looking reads.

This is an interesting way/reason for town-leaning Tyler the Creator [based on the nature of him being mass-town-read]. I kind of switch off to the popular town/scum reads on D1. Have you found this observation-method accurate in previous games?
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:39 am

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In post 198, iraonavp wrote:
In post 176, Bins wrote:XY, I'm trying to figure out who I'm going to switch my vote to. I just haven't read as in depth as I had liked. I pretty much skimmed and looked at the early stuff before I had to go to work.

My feelings have changed. If Dunn was mafia I feel like he would have dropped this "hey look how into this game I am" (I'm really trying to explain this as best I can) tone after being called out on it by 3 people. I'm curious about how he's actually going to push this "case" on me.

I don't think that is a good reason to think that Dunnstral is town-aligned. If I was using that metric to read Dunnstral I would invert it and call him scum-aligned for it, but I think the best thing to do is ignore it.

I think you are focusing excessively on this non-alignment-indicative aspect of Dunnstral's play because you are scum-aligned and your attempts to read players are fake.

VOTE: Bins


I don't understand & I don't like how you worded that last sentence.

I don't understand how tone isn't alignment indicative.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:47 am

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Like the whole "if I was using that metric I would scum read him" is such a weird POV, don't you think? Anyways, agree to disagree that Dunn would drop it. Like I said, the fact Dunn is now comfortable pushing me in the way he currently is doesn't seem like scum to me. I interpreted his earlier posts incorrectly, and now I'm seeing it really is just a weird vibe in the way he posts. He's continuing to jump around like "Look at me! No fear!" and that's no longer scummy to me. If he flipped scum, I'd be impressed he was able to keep his tone like that.

UNVOTE: dunn

Dunn, I'm passive because I grew more unsure of my read on you. I fail to see how that's not a normal approach.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:49 am

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In post 200, Tyler the Creator wrote:it seems off mostly because it's a scum post

I actually really like this post. Just where it is.



Sorry on mobile this is worse than Mac for triple posting
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:53 am

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I like Keyser's commentary on reasoning behind other people's reads, that's a pretty deep thing to look into and on the harder side of things to fake as scum.


I had a reason for leaning town on Ira. Have to go find the post.

Either way I'm at the point where I have too many town reads and might just vote a silent person.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:56 am

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bins you were doing well until that last post
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:59 am

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ill bite, though, why's ira town?

and if it has anything to do with too scum to be scum then that's fine ive heard that before

and why vote a lurker? this game's slow enough as is.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:00 am

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No, I lied I can't find it. Dkm.

Reading through most of his posts actually bugged me.


VOTE: irao

Pedit lol I'm not sure if this redeems me oops
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:02 am

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Usually if I see a person make a post I cannot see coming from scum I shove them into my town pile and in my notes I had done that with Ira but I honestly can't figure out why and reading through his ISO I feel pretty awful

Like at first when he derailed the question w/ Jaack (i think I commented on this)
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:06 am

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that was easy
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:07 am

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Yeah, definitely not joining the bins wagon now... while I think dunn's argument has merit, I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.

Pedit-Tyler is right, is a bad post.

Pedit x2-but ira votes are good votes. Still have mixed feelings for bins.
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:09 am

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Just the way he tries to continuously dismantle suspicion on himself by explaining himself very "Yep. This is how it is. Lmfao, back off now." (as you can see I have a Ph.D. in explaining)

In post 27, iraonavp wrote:
In post 22, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Voting someone who hasn't even talked

like the mafia

This isn't an rvs vote, this is an actual read and its' not changing for the rest of the day

Robert2424 has talked, though.

This is so null but so not null at the same time if u kno what i mean

In post 29, iraonavp wrote:
In post 13, Jaack wrote:
In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....


Not a fan of this post at all. Hesitant to vote on the first page? With literally the vaguest reason ever?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Robert2424

More vague could be just saying that he's voting for "reasons", so that isn't true.

Like I mentioned b4 pointless dismantle
Like this is how you just ruin a point by mentioned something that isn't really relevant
"Like hey but he could have been MORE VAGUE so.............. ur wrong lets discount your post."

In post 96, iraonavp wrote:
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up

Same.

VOTE: Keyser Söze

This is an aweful vote

In post 101, iraonavp wrote:What?

I'm town-aligned, but how are my posts dumb?

In post 154, iraonavp wrote:
In post 109, Tyler the Creator wrote:
vote:iraonavp

Why are you voting for me?

I am town-aligned.



this is what I was saying as my first point
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:10 am

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Guys I feel hyped up I finally feel something again
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:10 am

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In post 216, Jaack wrote:Yeah, definitely not joining the bins wagon now... while I think dunn's argument has merit, I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.

Pedit-Tyler is right, is a bad post.

Pedit x2-but ira votes are good votes. Still have mixed feelings for bins.

Tool voted me?
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:15 am

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In post 216, Jaack wrote:I'm NOT joining a wagon with ira and tool on it.
why's tool scum?
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:27 am

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Oh lol thought tool was voting bins. When dunn voted bins in he was quoting dunn. I guess my brain assumed tool was voting bins.

But as for tool=scum he has largely been going with what was popular at the time (early dunn questioning, my mini wagon) it's not much, but it gives me a lingering feeling he's scum.
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:27 am

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In post 172, heuristically_alone wrote:Starting tomorrow I will be able to take this game super serious!

"super serious"... :o
:down:
:down:
:down:
:down:

I want to see "super serious"...
In post 192, heuristically_alone wrote:VOTE: Zachstralkita
Your first post and post 122 have been the 2 worst posts of the
entire game
. And in general you got more talk than game.

"Of the entire game"?
Sounds like you've caught up - thoughts? I don't like the fact you've dropped in with a vote but not gone through/expressed your thoughts of the "entire game" first.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:12 am

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In post 221, Jaack wrote:But as for tool=scum he has largely been going with what was popular at the time (early dunn questioning, my mini wagon) it's not much, but it gives me a lingering feeling he's scum.
i don't know if we can derive much from the group of people who were questioning dunn early considering how much of a spectacle he was making of himself

like yea odds are there's scum within that group just like there's probably scum within any group - but was there anything you saw that sorta set tool apart in that regard?

i get the dissecting your own wagon part of the read, though, some of my most accurate towngames are games ive gotten run up in
slayers gambit

i kinda liked his thing about thinking i was town for the snowball townreads i got, though, that's a pretty out of the box thought for scum to have and i kinda thought the same thing tbh
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:15 am

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problem is though it's a lot harder to call out fake townreads on you than it is to call out fake scumreads but im working with what ive got hehe
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