Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)


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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:44 pm

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In post 95, iraonavp wrote:
I voted for Robert because he was the largest wagon.


In post 96, iraonavp wrote:
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up

Same.

VOTE: Keyser Söze


Mafia can't be this dumb, this guys town
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:50 pm

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What?

I'm town-aligned, but how are my posts dumb?
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:52 pm

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You're just sheeping onto bandwagons and you saying "same" and voting Keyser was comical
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:47 pm

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I think that voting the largest wagon is a good way to conduct RVS.

I voted Keyser because I found him suspicious? I don't see what's comical about that.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:11 pm

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In post 67, Zachstralkita wrote:our souls are actually on very different frequencies, dunn can't read my wavelength in any circumstance so he just likes to bluff like that's not how he lost his whole csgo inventory
lol

think that makes him not immediately committing to a read on you more null then? at first i thought it looked town since when you've got a good track record reading someone or at least more than a few games under your belt and you role scum against them you're more likely to 'get it out of the way' early kinda
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:17 pm

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In post 71, toolenduso wrote:Pretty neutral. The posts people have been talking about do not look all that insidious to me -- this early in the game you have to weigh the possibility that people are looking for a mislynch against the possibility that people are trying to get the game going.
well you gotta understand that scum aren't always doing everything with the mind of "mislynch mislynch mislynch blood blood blood" at all times

but ive seen people who scumhunt with this mentality and this goes against the grain in a way that feels okay to me
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:21 pm

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^^ I'd be more inclined to believe that mafia would sit back early and only start pushing later on in general but of course it depends on the person
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:22 pm

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In post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:Yea, not feeling the "town vibes", but if you could explain the "flippancy" part a bit more, cheers - are you in effect saying 'the vote is too bad to be scum'?
not at all

it felt like someone trying to break the mold
someone not trying to make friends
it's a page 1 post - not strong - but there

how do you feel about his later stuff?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:39 pm

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i actually didn't hate
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:41 pm

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vote:iraonavp
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:14 pm

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In post 109, Tyler the Creator wrote:
vote:iraonavp


Hey bud that's a town you're voting for

What do you think about the things I've said recently? About jaack and iraonavp
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:43 pm

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well your argument for ira is basically too dumb to be scum yea? and that's not a very compelling

i think if rob's rvs post was in response to jake then the wavelength aspect of my read on jack is definitely weakened unless he was oblivious to that as well

In post 66, Jaack wrote:I would like to hear why robert singled out Jake as someone not to trust.
and seeing as this came after keyser cleared that up for me - im not completely sure that's the case

In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
there's more than one way to look at this post - if you're like me and didn't realize that state farm was talking about his name actually being robert then the tone is just all wrong and looks a lot like scum being cautious and trying to look town early

if you do realize it - then it's completely harmless

so hinging on that your point about him being stubborn with his read there could potentially be good
your points about him buddying you are a lot weaker
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:12 pm

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....more importantly what about jaack
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:23 pm

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did you read my post
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:27 pm

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I guess I had trouble understanding it...
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:41 pm

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In post 111, Tyler the Creator wrote:
In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
there's more than one way to look at this post - if you're like me and didn't realize that state farm was talking about his name actually being robert then the tone is just all wrong and looks a lot like scum being cautious and trying to look town early

if you do realize it - then it's completely harmless

so hinging on that your point about him being stubborn with his read there could potentially be good


I'm not understanding what this part means
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:46 pm

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basically i need to know for sure whether jaack is lacking that context or not because it's difficult to tell
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:21 am

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As I have said, I did not consider Robert's post to be RVS, and still don't think it was. I do understand how one can come to that interpretation, but it's not the one I find most convincing.

As for ira, his recent posting has solidified my read and vote on him. I don't thin one can be too dumb for scum - idiocy knows no alignment.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:11 am

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alright, what about that post gave you the impression that robert was legit trying to convey suspicion of jake?
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:42 am

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This game is basically contradicting my expectations of how town usually gets out of RVS. I feel like it usually goes like this:

RVS votes -> player A says something mildly scummy -> people wagon player A, and in the process player B says something weird -> people wagon player B

By this time in the game I feel like there's usually been a legit wagon. Since there hasn't been one yet in this game, I feel like scum is either disjointed or timid.

The main thing was that I really expected at least a small wagon on Robert for his first post. As soon as I saw it I thought it looked very surface-level scummy. Exactly the sort of thing you can make a shallow case on. Good place to look for scum trying to go for something easy/look like they're scumhunting.

Then jaack was the only person to do anything about it. After that:

ira kinda joke-criticized jaack about it in #29, Tyler townread jaack in #54 for it, Keyser voted jaack for it in #55 and Dunn votes and makes a case on jaack in #91.

It just kinda makes sense to me that jaack could be scum and his partners didn't support the robert wagon but are also not really dealing with the fallout on jaack either. He's a good place to start, I think.

VOTE: jaack

In other news, re-reading gave me a townlean on Tyler. Not entirely for the way he's playing, though he is doing work (a surface-level towny-looking thing), but more the way that people started townreading him almost in kind of snowball fashion. It's striking me as the kind of thing where town say he looks town, impressionable town agree and scum hop onto the townreading wagon in an effort to have genuine-looking reads.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 89, xyzzy wrote:Zachstralkita has managed to talk a lot while saying very little, and I really don't like that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zachstralkita


It strikes me that this is kind of an easy vote to make.

What do you think of the possibility that zach is just a jokey player, so his posts are naturally going to have less solid content in them?

That being said...

In post 94, Zachstralkita wrote:Blatant scum. Are you kidding me?

VOTE: Dunnstral


...the jokey playstyle does make it harder for me to know whether statements like this one are serious. Can you explain the dunn vote, zach?
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:54 am

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In post 118, Tyler the Creator wrote:alright, what about that post gave you the impression that robert was legit trying to convey suspicion of jake?


His hesitance to vote - most silly RVS junk is accompanied with a silly vote.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:09 am

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In post 120, toolenduso wrote:
...the jokey playstyle does make it harder for me to know whether statements like this one are serious. Can you explain the dunn vote, zach?


None of you see it. I FUCKING SEE IT. This isn't Dunn being town, it's him trying to look like he's being town.

I'd bet one of my body parts on Dunn flipping scum if I.... had enough of those to lose
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:41 am

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In post 122, Zachstralkita wrote:This isn't Dunn being town, it's him trying to look like he's being town.


Trying to look town...could you show an example? Also, are you and Dunn like friends or something? 'cuz it seems like you know each other pretty well.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:44 am

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In post 123, toolenduso wrote:
In post 122, Zachstralkita wrote:This isn't Dunn being town, it's him trying to look like he's being town.



Trying to look town...could you show an example? .


It's his aura.


toolenduso wrote:
In post 122, Zachstralkita wrote: Also, are you and Dunn like friends or something? 'cuz it seems like you know each other pretty well.


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