Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Tyler the Creator]

didn't like his questions in 34 and 40

the purpose isn't immediately clear

like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town

if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place

[Dunnstral]

Man I'm a genius ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tyler the Creator]

what are your reads on zach and jaack?

[Dunnstral]

I don't really have a read on either of them yet, I'd say Zach not actually contributing is a pretty normal start for him

jaack's post 13 is pretty weird because he seems to be pushing on someone who doesn't rvs because they're going on vla, but they could just be confused, I don't think it's necessarily a scummy move yet just a bit weird

[Tyler the Creator]

meh, i don't know why but i expected you to have some kinda soul read on zach by now cuz my impression is you've played a lot together but that's fair
i wanna say town but it's completely gut

actually got some townvibes from jaack's 13 - i mean yea if robert is legit going vla then voting him for not voting isn't great - but i think the flippancy there feels town if that makes sense
bonus points because i thought robert's entrance was awkward too

it'd be cool to know why out of everyone he thought jake was the most untrustworthy before i go more into it this though

[Keyser Söze]

Also, hi ira and keyser!

Hi toolenduso! I was overjoyed to see your name on the player-list.

I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....

Not a fan of this post at all. Hesitant to vote on the first page? With literally the vaguest reason ever?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Robert2424

This feels a bit jumpy -

"vague"/weak is ok, it's early Day 1/RVS

. Choosing to vote/not vote with your opening post is

meh

(non-alignment indicative).
VOTE: Jaack

I like the playfulness in these two posts by Dunnstral:

VOTE: heuristically_alone

This isn't an rvs vote, this is an actual read and its' not changing for the rest of the day

Obvious distancing, found the maf team

mafia has daytalk.

In a

Little Italy

game?

A little confused here. Is there like an inside joke between you and zach that I'm not getting?

And are you joking about being serious?

I'm pretty sure Dunnstral is not being "serious" - you're not feeling/seeing that care-free sarcastic vibe?

[Keyser Söze]

Well maybe not LITERALLLY the most vague but completely useless either way. It doesn't seem to be rvs but

it does nothing to help

.

"Help" on page 1?

Dunnsrtal, can you offer any explanation for your behavior in this game so far?

Are you town/null/scum-reading his "behaviour" so far? I.e I don't understand the tone/goal of this post.

I think the fact that you choose to not answer the question on that basis

is interesting

; I'll have to see more of your behavior before I can comment further.

Town-"interesting" or scum-"interesting"?

[Keyser Söze]

it'd be cool to know why out of everyone he thought jake was the most untrustworthy before i go more into it this though

Robert2424's RVS post is based on Jake from State Farm's RVS vote:

vote: Robert

Cause my real name is Robbie and people always call me Robert and I hate that name

[Keyser Söze]

I love all this:

didn't like his questions in 34 and 40

the purpose isn't immediately clear

like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town

if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place

I could not see the town motivation/tone of xyzzy's questions (then he later backs down from his line of reasoning).
post 34, post 40 - IMO, they are non-questions (

forced early scum-hunting

)

[xyzzy]

my reasoning for not committing to a specific opinion on Dunnstral so far is two-fold: first, it's just too early in the game for me to feel strongly about anyone, and at this point I think the best thing I can do is just ask open-ended questions and not try too hard to judge those answers until I can do so with more context; second, I'm still in the process of coming back from a six-year hiatus, and the extent to which both this site and myself as a player have changed is great enough that it would be a mistake for me not to take things slowly at first. the best way for me to avoid mistakes that would be harmful to the town is to not immediately trust that my own instincts are perfect right out of the gate.

in a more specific response to Keyser Söze: my question in 34 was because Dunnstral had a few specific choices early on that showed a deliberate pattern—for one, there was the "this isn't an rvs vote" wording, which obviously means something, even if it's not possible yet to tell you it means. the "interesting" behavior I noted in 42 could go either way, depending on what else Dunnstral does today.

I'll post more substantial thoughts on what I think of everyone so far this afternoon when I'm not paying from a phone.

btw I'm not a "he".

[Keyser Söze]

my question in 34 was because Dunnstral had a few specific choices early on that showed a deliberate pattern—for one, there was the "this isn't an rvs vote" wording,

which obviously means something

, even if it's not possible yet to tell you it means.

Yes, that was part of my question. What is the "something" that made you choose to flag his "behaviour"? What

will this/has this

told you about Dunnstral's alignment?

the "interesting" behavior I noted in 42 could go either way,

depending on what else Dunnstral does today

.

Ok.

[Tyler the Creator]

Robert2424's RVS post is based on Jake from State Farm's RVS vote:

oh duh, that makes robert's opening a lot less awk looking then

[Tyler the Creator]

also keyser, did you not find it notable that im leaning town on jaack for about the same reason you're voting him?

[Tyler the Creator]

my reasoning for not committing to a specific opinion on Dunnstral so far is two-fold

im not sure if you're missing the point here or what but i think it's perfectly fine to not be comfortable with commiting to stances this early on especially when it comes to erratic players like dunnstral

and keyser sorta beat me to the punch here a bit; but what would really help is if you walked everyone through your thought process behind what initially prompted those questions and explain how if you thought that dunnstrals behavior was scummy what about his responses lead you from that to what now appears to be a null read

[toolenduso]

You entered the game with a level of comfort that looked sort of like "hey look at me! scum would never post like this!" It's a strategy I use... to often as scum.

I did not get that vibe. Could you explain and point to an example?

I'm pretty sure Dunnstral is not being "serious" - you're not feeling/seeing that care-free sarcastic vibe?

I do now, yeah. It's become more clear. At the time my thought was that the posts were either jokes or baiting.

Dunn's become a townlean.

Bins

Why a townread on Bins?

[Zachstralkita]

I'm pretty sure Dunnstral is not being "serious" - you're not feeling/seeing that care-free sarcastic vibe?

I do now, yeah. It's become more clear. At the time my thought was that the posts were either jokes or baiting.

Dunn's become a townlean.

@Dunn that's white privilege at it's finest buddy how do you feel being an undertone of oppression?

[Jaack]

This feels a bit jumpy -

"vague"/weak is ok, it's early Day 1/RVS

. Choosing to vote/not vote with your opening post is

meh

(non-alignment indicative).
VOTE: Jaack

I don't have a problem with vague silliness in RVS/page one. I also don't have a problem with not voting page one.

I DO have a problem with making what appears to be a serious post, indicating suspicion, without voting, particularly at the very beginning of the game when there is very little risk. Being wishy-washy with votes coming out of RVS seems overly cautious. It's offering an opinion without justification or commitment. The feels a bit scummy to me.

I would like to hear why robert singled out Jake as someone not to trust.


In other news, Tyler and Keyser both seem pretty town. Initially I though Dunn looked like a vi, thought they have improved contentwise and also look towny.

I will agree that xyzzy's questions in 34 and 40 are bit awkward, although Dunn did seem a bit trollish at the time. Could be scum trying to trap a VI or could be town trying to deal with a loose cannon. Would like to here more about the purpose of those questions from xyzzy.

Retrospectively, don't really like ira's 29. He seems to be taking an issue with my phrasing as opposed to my assertion. Furthermore, he had voted for Robert right after I had.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: iraonavp

What was the purpose of post 29? And could you explain your Robert vote in 21?

Would also like to seem some non-Dunn related content from bins, tool, and zach (which totally sounds like a kids show or something)

@bins - What are your thoughts on robert's first post?
@tool - thoughts on xyzzy?
@zach - top scum read? If it's Dunn then give me your top town read instead.

[Zachstralkita]

@Jaack It's really early. I'll speak on Dunn later, but I'll say if you start townreading him so easily then I am amused. Hahahahahahahah. I do like how Tyler is approaching things, though.

meh, i don't know why but i expected you to have some kinda soul read on zach by now cuz my impression is you've played a lot together but that's fair

our souls are actually on very different frequencies, dunn can't read my wavelength in any circumstance so he just likes to bluff like that's not how he lost his whole csgo inventory

[Jaack]

@Jaack It's really early. I'll speak on Dunn later, but I'll say if you start townreading him so easily then I am amused. Hahahahahahahah. I do like how Tyler is approaching things, though.

Could you explain your Tyler read a little more?

As for Dunn I don't exactly see anything that looks scum motivated. Trolly, sure but not particularly scummy.

I did find it interesting that multiple players (xyzzy, tool, bins) all focused their early efforts on dunn. I think there is scum in there looking for an easy mislynch.

Town read on dunn is weak, but I'm not seeing anything to change my mind on it.

[Jake from State Farm]

v/la until monday

[Zachstralkita]

I don't think they actually understand , like I think they think that he's serious when words come out of his mouth for real LMAO


I mean, that's usually what happens to me.

As for my Tyler read, I like how he's asking questions and deliberating motives such as in #50.

I think he's a little early in trying to get reads(y-you all are ?), but that just stands out to me as wanting information, and information is just dandy for the Town.

All of my reads are subject to change of course. You never know what direction the neurotransmitters are firing off in my head.


Also, I'm certain you guys aren't aware of this, but I have a mental power thing like I can see into people's hearts with my mind. Like a scouter for your soul. I have the intuition of a reincarnated something. Sure, It's natural to be skeptical, but expect me to make a definite solid statement on the true identity of the scumteam at some point and be

super right

. Maybe today. Maybe tomorrow. Maybe 19 days from now. Maybe in 5 minutes.

[toolenduso]

@tool - thoughts on xyzzy?

Pretty neutral. The posts people have been talking about do not look all that insidious to me -- this early in the game you have to weigh the possibility that people are looking for a mislynch against the possibility that people are trying to get the game going.

I did find it interesting that multiple players (xyzzy, tool, bins) all focused their early efforts on dunn. I think there is scum in there looking for an easy mislynch.

Dunn's become a townlean.

I have a question for you, actually -- have your thoughts on Robert changed?

[Jaack]

@tool - thoughts on xyzzy?

Pretty neutral. The posts people have been talking about do not look all that insidious to me -- this early in the game you have to weigh the possibility that people are looking for a mislynch against the possibility that people are trying to get the game going.

Fair enough.

As for me saying there is scum in {you, xyzzy, bins} are simply stating you are not scum or are you saying that none of the three of you are scum? I'm assuming its the former, but in the case of the latter, I would love to hear an explination.

I have a question for you, actually -- have your thoughts on Robert changed?

Nope, still don't like that post. But I find that ira post to be just about as bad, and ira, by virtue of not being vla, is a little more useful place to put my vote right now.

What do you think of Robert?


As for zach, I agree with your read and reasoning on Tyler. I don't think its ever to early to try and get reads -- some of my best reads are sometimes formed in the first three pages. Scum start playing from their first post, so why shouldn't townies? (That's a rhetorical question) I mean, you don't need to death tunnel someone from a page 2 gut read, but its important to take note of scummy or townie posting no matter where it takes place.

[Zachstralkita]

As for zach, I agree with your read and reasoning on Tyler. I don't think its ever to early to try and get reads -- some of my best reads are sometimes formed in the first three pages. Scum start playing from their first post, so why shouldn't townies? (That's a rhetorical question) I mean, you don't need to death tunnel someone from a page 2 gut read, but its important to take note of scummy or townie posting no matter where it takes place.

I didn't mean early to get reads, I meant early to be like, discussing them and shit. We could think a little more and see how things pan out, but you know that's just me. To be fair, posting about them does further discussion.

[toolenduso]

As for me saying there is scum in {you, xyzzy, bins} are simply stating you are not scum or are you saying that none of the three of you are scum?

Just me -- specifically I was pointing out that it doesn't make sense for you to say I'm trying to get Dunn lynched when he is my only townlean.

What do you think of Robert?

I think he wasn't thinking about the way he looked when he posted that first post. Since it's one post I don't think that's enough to base a read on, but it's there.