Open 50: The New C9 - Abandoned!

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Numbering players 1-16, top to bottom, skipping myself and the dead...

Original Roll String: 1d16

1 16-Sided Dice: (8) = 8

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Vote: Opposed Force

You can't argue with dice...

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You decide to catch up on your suspicions with a vote count.

JordanA24- 5 (LML, TylerJ, White, Aimee, Oman)
Oman- 2 (AlyG, Ooba)
SSF- 2 (Laptop Gun, OpposedForce)
LoudMouthLee- 2 (Sammich, JordanA24)
Obaa- 1 (curiouskarmadog)
TylerJ- 1 (Shteven)

17 alive, 9 to lynch.

Correction: I am voting for AlyG, if you didn't catch that on the first page.
It's fine. No worries.

And I was voting for Opposed Force. But meh.

Back on topic. I do not agree with LML's points against Jordan. I can see them, I just don't agree with them. Analysis of tone has, to me, been a fancy way to say "gut", to be honest. I'd use it to support an argument, but not as an argument's base...

Oman's bandwagon didn't strike me as scummy...

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What made you more suspicious was your defensiveness. It's a newbie mistake that I can vouch for, but you are not a newbie. So in conclusion it wasn't one things, but two things. So there was some merited evidence.

LOL.
One things I learned from mafia is defensiveness=/=Scumtell.

Defensiveness = Scumtell
Defend

ing

=/= Scumtell
Defensiveness =/= Defending

I'm not an expert on the actual differences between the two though, so you'll have to ask someone else!

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Really crappy evidence (I think I am reading to much into it), I just think I should point that out. It's enough to make me keep my vote on SSF for a little while.

Explain this please, I'm not really sure what you're getting at. You think my reasons for defending Oman and LML were crappy?

You are aware that we are on Page 1/2 right?

Oh, I'm not arguing against the wagons on Jordan or Oman, I'm just explaining why I personally wasn't supporting them.

Does this mean the bandwagon on Oman, or Oman bandwagonning?

Oman's bandwaggoning.

Also, who do you actually think is suspicious?

No-one, yet...

And doesn't it run the risk of backfiring? (i.e) What if there's a quick lynch even before you could unvote?

Not really. For there to be a quicklynch, the remaining scum would have to give themselves away as scum, which they wouldn't want to do on day 1!

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Really crappy evidence (I think I am reading to much into it), I just think I should point that out. It's enough to make me keep my vote on SSF for a little while.

Explain this please, I'm not really sure what you're getting at. You think my reasons for defending Oman and LML were crappy?

No, no. I was saying I had some minor suspicons about you for crappy evidence. You seemed to defend 2 people in your post, one who was really suspicous and one who was pushing a vote. It struck me as odd, but hardly anything to build a case on. It did however make me keep my random vote where was.

I dont think your reasons for "defending" for particuarly bad. Ok, I think Oman really doesn't have a lot of "good about him, but you did offer reasons for your defense. I use defense here more or less in a general sense, not that you really like them. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh, OK. Fair enough.

Oh, and I like the Kirby avatar.

Woo! =)

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Unvote

Any one have a clue why this game is moving along so so fast. Is it just our motely crew of players, random game movies, or is (are) player(s) manipulating things? At the rate we are going, we're going to have power role claims starting on page 6 or 7.

Fast moving game -> Players in a rush to post -> Scum more likely to screw up.

You seem to be wanting this game to slow down, care to explain why?

Whilst running the risk of being accused of OMGUS,

Vote: LaptopGun

.

=o

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aimee, last time I am going to try to explain it to you. You have a crazy looking guy who always sharpens knives while mumbling to himself in the park (ie bandwagoning acting scummy). You see this guy and you automatic think, jesus he is going to kill someone (scum) in the park (town). If it was the first time I have ever seen the guy, I would probably call the authories to throw is ass in jail (vote for a lynch). However, you go to 4 other parks and see the same guy acting the same way in every park.

Now the odds that he wants to kill someone (scum) in every park (town) is very low. I dont want to ignore him (no FoS) because the dude is acting very strangely(scummy), but I am not sure he is a killer (scum) either..

thus the FoS.

metagame, for yourself and see what I am talking about

I agree with this metaphor, regardless of how ridiculously elaborate it is.

Also, too many (parenthesis).

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Unvote

Any one have a clue why this game is moving along so so fast. Is it just our motely crew of players, random game movies, or is (are) player(s) manipulating things? At the rate we are going, we're going to have power role claims starting on page 6 or 7.

Fast moving game -> Players in a rush to post -> Scum more likely to screw up.

You seem to be wanting this game to slow down, care to explain why?
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By the same token that the scum screw up, the townies can screw up and mislynch. The games I've played have taught me that. In one Newbie Game, one of the mafia players (who was very slick) deliberately sped the game up to forced us into lylo (full disclosure- this got me lynched day 1 as the doc and then a night liynch of our COP). The townies won despite the odds as the remaining "head" townie guy dragged his feet about everything and the mafia made a mistake trying to lynch someone else. Not enough bandwagon. Granted in a bigger game such as this that's not as massive as an issue. I thought I'd point it point it out. I'd be more concerned if we didn't have more than one running bandwagon. Less chance of a quick hammer sort of deal. Whatever, whatever the case maybe this game is fun .

I should probably point out that by "fast moving game", I meant "gets lots of posts in a short space of time", rather than "quick votes, quick lynches and bandwagons".

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AlyG: What are your thoughts about the incidents brought up in relation to you and your comments regarding ongoing games.

Ooba: Could you, or at least explain why you didn't, fill in the blanks of your last post?

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I'm quite unimpressed with SSF so far - I'd have expected more scumhunting. Similarly LML seems to have hidden away after a prominent opening.

My last post was 2 days ago, the same length of time

your

last post was...

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2 days =/= Lurking.

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I have defended using equals signs once.

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and you you have sumhunted how many times?

I have never hunted for sums. Why is this a problem when you want me to stop using equals signs?

Hitting preview, I see that you EDWOP'd, but I don't care! =D

And for once, defend instead of using equals signs all the time.

Defend? Against what accusations? There only is one, that I haven't been scumhunting, and I can hardly come out screaming "Well,

actually

, I have been, you just didn't notice!". Besides, there's some coming up. Promise.

ssf=scum

I equal scum, but am not being voted for by you. Explain.

In unrelated news, LTG seems to be trying too hard to hold onto his vote on me. I am worried somewhat.

SSF picked 2 other players to defend out of the blue early in the game before we had a firm grasp how some of these people acted.

"Out of the blue"? How is it overly surprising that I defended Jordan and Oman? Did you expect me not to?

SSF also did a OMGUS vote on me earlier that I didnt call him on.

Why didn't you? Why bring up something now which you claim you let me get away with earlier? You give a sort of excuse...

I really didnt care because at the time I firmly expected to vote for Oman in the very near future.

How is "I thought I was going to vote for someone else" a valid reason for ignoring another players posts which, you try to make out you believe, are scummy?

Also I can't exactly switch now anyway as wouldn't that look scummy?

This is just wrong. Townies really shouldn't be scared that people might think that changing a vote is scummy...

FYI this whole thing stems from Post 49. SSF defends Jordan and says he doesn’t considers Oman ok. That struck me as covering his bases or possibly a team member or 2.

So, your reasoning for your initial vote was "SSF defended 2 people. The scumteam has 3 living members, therefore he's more likely to be scum.", correct?

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FYI this whole thing stems from Post 49. SSF defends Jordan and says he doesn’t considers Oman ok. That struck me as covering his bases or possibly a team member or 2.

So, your reasoning for your initial vote was "SSF defended 2 people. The scumteam has 3 living members, therefore he's more likely to be scum.", correct?

What a complete and utter misrepresentation.

I actually thought that was quite a fair post. Below is the first post where LTG shows a suspicion of me...

On another note, SSF has gone ahead and offered a defense of two other players. Not scummy, but certainly interesting that we have 3 remaining mafia.

...and I feel I made an accurate representation of that.

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In addition...

Sammich-Ultra sexy Town that gets the ladies.

Putting yourself in your own PBPA is quite silly.

Not only this, but you only have an opinion on LML and Oman. All the rest are vague grey areas which don't say very much of anything.

The top section is essentially a rehash of the thread, with almost no inisight whatsoever.

Unvote
Vote: Sammich

[somestrangeflea]

Super Sexy Town. I'm pretty sure that's a claim no matter how retorical it is. HAPPY BIRTHDAY JORDAN FTW <-<

But it's

Super Sexy

town.

Oh, well this changes

everything

...

[somestrangeflea]

Apologies for recent inactivity. It's been a frantic weekend, and I'm going on an away for a few days. No idea how active I can be when I'm gone, but I'll be back on Friday.

If I need to be replaced, so be it...

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Back.

Bump.

Me too, I'm going to jump back in time for a moment and comment on a few older posts...

If he was mafia, why would be be signalling, when he could simply keep his mouth just, talk about it at night, and then NK you....

Because getting a Doc lynched means the Mafia don't have to waste a Nightkill themselves...

I disagree with this. A person would know his own alignment on hand once he gets the mod's pm.

So by posting "Super Sexy Town" it would pretty much be claiming any of the roles on the town side. Whether it's cop,doctor,vigilante, or townie saying to everybody he is town means he is claming pro-town. [1]

Techincally I can see where this wouldn't actually be a actual role claim but an alignment claim.

Also I'm not sure what you meant with your post "Everyone here is town, right?" Do you mean that most likely everybody here would claim pro-town? [2]

[1] What's your point? I still don't see how claiming that you are town aligned provides any form of content whatsoever.
[2] Again, what's your point? Are you trying to put forward that some players

wouldn't

claim pro-town?
I'm really not too sure what 290 is trying to say. I could be missing something major here, but could someone care to explain?

Keffed.

<3

I'd also be happy with somestrangeflea too.

Please go away.

No access until Monday.

Thank you.

Also, Jordan's last post gave me a warm fuzzy feeling.

I have no idea why, but that fact is 100% relevant and

will decide whether or not we win the game

,

maybe.

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Because getting a Doc lynched means the Mafia don't have to waste a Nightkill themselves...

Yeah, towns often lynch someone that is thought to be a doc.

That's right, they don't, but who said the town as a whole thinks he's a Doc..?

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SSF: why haven't you responded to LML's claims?

Well how can I? His claims were based on the actions of Aimee.

P.S. How do I name hyperlinks so it doesn't show the entire URL?

Instead of

Code: Select all

[url]http://www.BLAHBLAH.com[/url]

use:

Code: Select all

[url=http://www.BLAHBLAH.com]Linky[/url]

I think...

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Where's SSF?

I honestly have no idea. I didn't realise that I'd been gone for a week. I tend to base my posting rate on how fast the game itself is moving, so that I don't control 1 in 5 posts, and that each post I make is separated by a fair amount of other posts, so there's some content for me to actually talk about! There've only been 30 posts between this post and my last post, which, for a game with 17 players alive in it, is kinda sucky.

To sum up, I haven't been posting because overall thread activity is low. Whilst I realise that my lack of posting is contributing to this, I can't help but find it hard to be motivated in a game with so few active players...

Mod: Can we get prods on LML, White, ManaSpryte, AlyG, timmers, ooba and skitzer, and a votecount, please?

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Do we have a backup mod for this who could take over?

Don't think so. Opens don't have backup mods, even if they're large opens. Besides, if there were a backup mod, surely they'd have stepped in by now?

Actually, that's WIFOM...

Has Gatorguy been active anywhere?

Not since the 12th.

[somestrangeflea]

/is still here

Will post substance once replacements arrive.

Promise.

[somestrangeflea]

V/LA til' Friday. =(

[somestrangeflea]

Still here. As I said:

Will post substance once replacements arrive.

Now also applies to modkills if performed.

[somestrangeflea]

Unless someone PMs me changing their mind, I will modkill all the inactives in this game in 48 hours.

Did

someone PM?

If not, who's dead?

[somestrangeflea]

Roles still alive:
2 Mafia
1 Serial Killer
0/1 Cops
0/1/2 Docs
0/2 Masons
0/1 Vigilante
3-9 Townies

[somestrangeflea]

Somestrangeflea,

We know we have a vig, though, right? Because of the night 0 kills? And I would assume Khelvaster would have told us if the vig had died because he told us the cop did.

Indeed. I for got.

Roles still alive:
2 Mafia
1 Serial Killer
1 Vigilante
0/1 Cops
0/1/2 Docs
0/2 Masons
3-8 Townies

Oh, and we can rule out LaptopGun as being one of the two Mafia.

Also, not sure of the benefits or problems of this, but I wanted to throw a massclaim onto the table.

*throws

Also, there is no conceivable reason for the mod to reveal a modkilled cop's result. I didn't notice this at the time due to my incredible pissed-offness at being modkilled for no reason, but it's one more piece of game distorting information.

/in

This game should be abandoned due to EXTREME mod misconduct. I'd out my remaining scumbuddy if i could remember who it was.

*cough*You have two...*cough*

The idea I guess is that the cop would've told us his result if he were being lynched, not modkilled.

But that's the difference. He wasn't lynched, he was killed off. We don't get mod-confirmed investigation results when a Cop gets NK'd.

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If it had been my scumbuddy modkilled for no reason, and the mod had

confirmed the innocence of a living player

, equally for no good reason, and I was a living scum, I would be demanding abandonment.

Bolded section is not quite correct. LaptopGun can still be the SK.

Also, have you noticed that not all inactives have been modkilled?

Namely: Aimee, OpposedForce, Sammich and ooba.

Any particular reason why these folk are still standing?

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Bolded section is not quite correct. LaptopGun can still be the SK.

No, he can't. Khel specifically said he was a TOWNIE.

Hmm. I read it as the context of being an investigation result (ie. either Townie or Scum), rather than a role confirmation...

That being said,

Vote: Abandon

Kbye.

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5. Perhaps Khel didn't want to mod kill the other MIA's because there are more mafia members or power roles represented in that group.

Exactly, which is why he

should

have killed them. It's not the mod's place to choose which roles to keep alive for balance sakes, because then that leaves players guessing "Well, did mod leave them alive because they're town power roles, or because they're Mafia?" which is

not

what Mafia is about.

I'm a Doc, I protected LML N0.

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Do we want to do a massclaim? I wouldn't mind seeing who the scum were.

I'm a cop, I investigated LML N1 Innocent.

Probs best not till we get an official abandonment.

ASDFSDFSDF

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Do we want to do a massclaim? I wouldn't mind seeing who the scum were.

I'm a cop, I investigated LML N1 Innocent.

Probs best not till we get an official abandonment.

ASDFSDFSDF

ASDF?

Yes, ASDF.

Due to simulpost.

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No, what does ASDF mean?

I know, I'm a newb to this

What is asdf?

asdf is what you type in the subject line when you have no subject.
asdf likes jkl;
asdf should be capitalized, but isn't.
asdf is nothing.
asdf just is.

In short, it's bullshit people type when frustrated on the internet.

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5. Perhaps Khel didn't want to mod kill the other MIA's because there are more mafia members or power roles represented in that group.

Exactly, which is why he

should

have killed them. It's not the mod's place to choose which roles to keep alive for balance sakes, because then that leaves players guessing "Well, did mod leave them alive because they're town power roles, or because they're Mafia?" which is

not

what Mafia is about.

I'm a Doc, I protected LML N0.

ZOMG, we were so on the same wavelength.


Even though I was getting a lot of excitiment from this game, I will not continue it, I feel it has shifted too far from the actual spirit of the game.

I vote that New C9 goes back to the open queue so that people can play it again if they want.

I'd agree with this.

this.

I feel that a completely fresh game with a new setup and new players is exactly what this game needs, since, to be perfectly frank, I get the impression that there aren't many people who actually

care

about this game.

[somestrangeflea]

3 out of 8 active players support abandonment.
1 out of 8 active players wish the game to continue.

4 out of 8 active players currently don't give a tiny rat's ass.