Mini 1780 - camn's apartment 2 - Finale

[Performer]

Hello all. Davsto it's been so long since my 2nd game on this site against you .
pisskop & Firebringer - very familiar faces.
Antihero...LOL that game.
Bella & BBT -
I don't know much if anything, about anyone else.
I do know that of the 6 I recognize , 1 of them I fondly recall a wonderful town game with, where we won and stopped scum so smoothly.

I do have a slight townread on someone already . Maybe I'm reading too much into it?

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Btw someone died already? Brandi...and she was Innocent Townie??
All of a sudden I have grown increasingly paranoid.

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Spoiler: unrelated to game

Initiating playstyle imitations of BlueBloodedToffee & implosion

[Performer]

I will be around for possibly the next 30 minutes if anyone wants to engage with me.

[Performer]

/confirm

This playerlist is pretty good

I have pickles, Rye whiskey, and there is an actual cask of wine in the cellar

your apartment has a wine cellar...?

that IS crazy

/confirm

OK, you guys. This is some seriously messed up stuff.

I strive to be an optimist in this sad, god-forsaken world... but it is hard.
I had really just been coming around, with the help of my sweet Brandi.
But something horrible has happened.

SHE'S DEAD.
ONE OF YOU KILLED HER.

I am locking my fracking doors and we are getting to the bottom of this.
Last time someone killed my BFF, I just cried and cried . .

BUT NOT THIS TIME!

.

Somebody has to pay.
Decide who.

I'll be in the bathroom washing my beloved's blood out of my hair.

The Game is officially begun- tell me who I am rage-killing

I'm shocked and horrified. Now we are less 1 Townie, an Innocent Townie at that. I have no idea who she is, this is the 1st time I 've seen her ever. So I don't know who would've targeted her.

I'm hypothesizing there's at least 1 person here who should know who she is though....and I don't mean the mod. I don't think she was just randomly targeted.

[Performer]

K that previous post of mine was only supposed to show the 2 sentences. I have 2 tabs open - _-

[Performer]

pisskop I hope you don't suddenly do a super bizarre townread of me at d2 deadline, only to have others get super paranoid and mislynch me... remember that game? Hahaha

[Performer]

Hmm. pisskop do you have meta with the other 5 players I never played with?

What the...you shot her pregame??
Why would you claim like this on d1, unwarranted? ? Dude.
Is this some reaction test?...

I happen to think people need proper town coaching if they don't know how to play FM - which I've been growing more fond of the more I play FM. But of course, I only try to coach town. At the same time, I welcome tips for improving town play. I even updated my Wiki profile for people to read me better : P

[Performer]

Also pk, if you really did shoot pregame randomly - and if you really are a PR - I highly doubt you'd pick her out of anyone else. There are at least 4 high-performers here so picking her as scum pk, wouldn't make much sense.

[Performer]

I've never seen her so I wouldn't know : /

For her to be picked off compared to others...she must be insanely talented then.

Then there's the reason of your claim... of all the games I've been with you in, I've never observed a claim from you on d1 like this...

[Performer]

Oh god. Please don't lurk. You know how crazy I get against lurkers.

Interesting fact - in every game I've played in , there's always 1 or more lurkers on the scum team. I'd say it's a reliable tool for scumhunting.

I don't want to advertise who scum would pick because I'm afraid they'll get to believing this, then the high-performers would be killed. And you know how biased I am for certain players . ; )

pk I promise you, I am not trolling. Ask Davsto & Anti, who've seen my scum game. I'll troll everyone even into twilight. I'm the reverse of the honorable principles of Townie movement.

[Performer]

Performer is town. Solid read there.

-Fire

I want to ask why it wasn't like this in another place, but that's ...ongoing...

I've not seen DeathRow before and I've only glimpsed at games with lala before. So far their ISO is weird to me. They even asked others to get with them to lynch pk , who shouldn't be scum because this is a fairly wild claim he's making in this situation.

VOTE: do not talk to me

[Performer]

Please nobody else claim . 1 is too much already, for d1

[Performer]

VOTE: dnttm

now its a party. ducky should party morw. i dont know drk

Wait a minute. What the....!

I thought you were already voting dnttm.
-You claimed PR, having shot Brandi
-Then you ask me to vote dnttm
-You were actually not already voting her at the time
-I voted her
-Then you add your vote on

What in the world??..... pk

[Performer]

Maybe I'm reading way too much into this . Hmm
I have to go eat, then shower soon , and get ready for work again . See you guys tomorrow.

[Performer]

Catching up, very busy night yesterday. On page 7 now.
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But do answer y u didnt know who i was voting

I didn't kept track on the 1st 5 about who I was voting . However, because of my confusion about Brandi, I now have a 2nd slight townread.

Performer, Brandi was never a player in this game. pisskop is playing you for a fool

I swear Performer had to have been trolling us....
Like...come on man.

-Fire

I am not trolling anyone. Trust me on this.

classy as always anti

good to see you

I think Anti will be easy to read as scum or town. As town, even though it's been just one game I've been in with him - he has an incredible intuition. I find that players like that usually are more easily discernible in alignment, than other players.

so i read through those five pages

someone took a shit, someone got confused about brandi's death, pisskop is just being a pain, Fire is probably town

Tell me why you think pk is a pain
To me, it looked like he was trying to figure out my alignment?

Please! Oh please let me join the RVS wagon on me!

VOTE: Davsto

Self vote isn't Townie . VOTE: Davsto

[Performer]

you know i was coming into this game thinking "im going to take my time and just take things easy this game."

nope apparently i cant have that

well now youve got high strung and emotional antihero back now. happy? we all satisfied now that im "playing my town meta" now?

fuck

I think sarcasm is just an Antihero thing to be fair

por ejemplo

I said a hip, lop,
Hippie to the hippie,
The hip, hip a lop, and you don't stop, a rock it
To the bang bang boogie, say, up jump the boogie,
To the rhythm of the boogie, the beat.

davsto,

neutral mainstream loser with no taste

, has been modkilled for being fucking lame.

And he was

modding

this game.

LOL Antihero. I like that guy.

BWANDIIIIIIIII

....
I was going to make a note about why you haven't posted .

ladies.

what do you think about daves selfvote

I'm pretty null on the self vote itself. I wouldn't be surprised if he did that as either alignment.

No way, dude. After 5 pages , Davsto self votes out of nowhere. That's scummy.

[Performer]

can we not scumread me this game. it isn't very fun

well
you do have that specific tag under your name

tbf I am like 100% the scummiest player in this game rn

No, but you're you're in my Katsuki-zone atm.

Why did you bring up Katsuki?

Subject: NY 193 Welcome to the Werewolf Graveyard (NO SPOILERS)

No offense here man, but you pride yourself in not contribuiting in depth

I only contribute in depth when I am scum.
Check any scum games I have ever had. The only time I have done a ISO is as scum.

Its hilarious nobody has picked up on it.

Now that pk brought it up, I remember Fire stated a few times that he's got potential in late game as town.
And now Fire and pk are touching on how Fire is good as scum.

On a related note, how is this relevant to

this

game...?

yeah i think fire is maybe being too helpful to be town here

...this doesn't make sense. You're saying Fire is being helpful, so he's scum? What on earth??

[Performer]

Why do I have to jump around like a silly billy when I can vote whereever?

What a silly idea, that I must limit my voting to my largest scumread.

I am now your largest scumread and your not voting me?
Am I the only one who finds that weird as fuck?

-Fire

You're not the only one.
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@pk what do you mean Fire shifted in posting style? From what I'm understanding , the X of the Aiden hydra is more rational based while Fire part of that hydra, is more gut based
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Holy moly people.. There are 11 pages already? Didn't this game just start? You guys sure know how to party. Haha I'm going to need time to play catch up. This is my 3rd game I have ever played and I find it very confusing when there are multiple people playing as one person. What is the reasoning for doing that?

Mmmkay did I join a large game inadvertently? Freak. I'm going to have to make a real post tomorrow.

You're both voting each other. You both seem to know each other .
Can you guys expand on why you're voting each other? Maybe provide me a link to your finished game(s).

[Performer]

VOTE: Performer

I don't know either of the folks from this hydra.
You think I'm scummy because I misunderstood that Brandi wasn't a player? Am I getting this right?

[Performer]

@YGS DNTTU's ISO was weird the first 8 posts were just fluff. Recently that slot's grown better .

Still don't like how Dav self voted and just moved his vote to Marquis, like he was walking into a boring job after having worked there for 10 years.

[Performer]

j f c

What does this even meaning?
What're your thoughts on the Davsto situation?

[Performer]

Here for about the next 30 mins if anyone wants to interact with me in real time.
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j f c

What does this even meaning?

jfc

Thanks for the elaboration.
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On the other hand Performer's blatant ignorance of Tierias' stated reasons for why they are voting him stands out...

Yeah I'd lynch it

What in the? How am I conspicuously ignoring Tierias's stated reasons?? I was understanding him as thinking I'm "faking" my confusion about Brandi.

fuck youre way too reasonable to kill D1



but that also makes you dangerous

You do know when signing up there's an option where you say "this account is an alt" and as a result you don't have to go through the confirmation bit?

Tips for the future

Also idk your playstyle anyway because I've never played with you

So Fate misrepped me, claimed he knew Davsto, then Davsto counters Fate's post by claiming they never even played together.

I did do that so I don't know how I broke it


Everyone's played with me

#Eternity

I haven't played with you either.

fuck youre way too reasonable to kill D1

I've had very little experience with Davsto. Is he normally known for being "reasonable?"

Yes, Davsto is typically reasonable as town. I've seen this personally when I was scum against him and in other games I 've observed.

[Performer]

@YGS DNTTU's ISO was weird the first 8 posts were just fluff. Recently that slot's grown better .

OK, but a lot of people were fluff posting so why DNTTU out of everyone else?

In the first 4 pages I was skimming, I didn't see anything that stood out. pk brought her up, I reviewed the ISO, and voted for what I saw as fluffy.

hmmm I am mixed on you Davsto.
Everyone seems like they can townread me now just on how many fucks I seem to give >.>

-Fire

Stop! You're painting a target on your back as well as mine's.

Holy moly people.. There are 11 pages already? Didn't this game just start? You guys sure know how to party. Haha I'm going to need time to play catch up. This is my 3rd game I have ever played and I find it very confusing when there are multiple people playing as one person. What is the reasoning for doing that?

UNVOTE: pisskop

VOTE: Kahlan

You caught up yet?

- Xk

I'm sorry ...Wish I could say I'm caught up but I'm not. You people talk a lot haha I'm still wondering why there is two people playing one account though? I have never played a game with that happening before :/ Haha I'll make my post tonight when I can get to a computer. I promise you though I'm not scum but feel free to lynch me if you think it will help town in anyway.

I dislike this. I asked Kah and Pro about meta, they didn't answer me. Kahlan promised us she's town but stated contradictions with "lynch me though if it helps you guys, but I will try to post tonight." So...you're town, we should lynch you, but you'll post tonight anyway?

If she promises us she's town, she'll try to follow through with posting instead of saying it's ok to lynch her.

[Performer]

Please nobody else claim . 1 is too much already, for d1

What is this?

Performer, why isn't self-vote town?

Suicidal people never strike me as pro town. They come off as chaotic. In my experience , it's likely that scum self votes. I've seen a few situations where town self voted "to get reactions" and I've heard examples of town self hammering (which is HIGHLY anti town). Either way it's anti town.

I havent been really reading lately.

pk if you haven't really read up...then how can I trust you in voting this unnamed hydra with you?

[Performer]

Please nobody else claim . 1 is too much already, for d1

What is this?

I don't see the point of pointing this out. At the time, I thought pk was truth telling about his role. I urged others not to follow his outrageous footsteps.

[Performer]

Just did another ISO of Davsto. Looking at the joking posts and the vote counts, it doesn't cause me to think this is town Davsto. Staying with my vote at the moment.

@pk pisskop....are you town this game? Please be town...

[Performer]

Why is it that when I'm on during the weekdays, only Fire & pk engage with me?

[Performer]

you seem confusim clearing reading posts as thwy come

I don't understand this.

what I disapprove of is how you keep throwing a soft scumread my way

explain

I am?? When did I say that? I'm trying to be careful after DNTTU and YGS pointed things out, such as how "pk could be playing Performer for a fool" and "why just DNTTU instead of others?"
They're more experienced than me and are making sense, so I put trust in that. I didn't even realize those 2 things until they pointed them out.

[Performer]

Anyway...pk if you're town with me this game, then do have anything else to speak with me of? Who's this mystery hydra you're talking about , for instance?

Btw @mod can we get votecounts at least once every page? Thank you

nope.

[Performer]

@Kahlan ok. I will dig through your meta. Your association with Pro this game, makes it sound like you guys know each other, which is why I'm still curious about if that's genuine from knowing each other in the past or something else - such as you guys being scum teamed?

Time for me to meta dive!
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*cue music for Antihero throwing salt on me for looking through meta when she only has 2 other games*
*cue music for BBT criticizing me because I use meta as a scumhunting tool*

: )

[Performer]

Just in case anyone wants to dig further into how Kah and Pro play - 2 game links below:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
game with Kah & Pro as town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Kahlan as Town Tracker in this game

My read on Kah is better now. Will take some time to look into Pro's game later.

[Performer]

I seriously apologize for being unable to catch up . I'm busy today - you can ask pk why , if you want. I should be coming back tonight or tomorrow at latest, so address things.


I did do a quick skim though and Tire's continued vote one me is incredibly unnerving. I will be providing a reads list when I get back .

Fire I think you still had your vote on Kah? Please put it on Tire or Dav instead. If anyone's scumreading Kah, they need to reread the ISO. A mother with kids ? Folks like that have a tough time lying. Also, her ISO didn't strike me as scummy. And before anyone calls me out on my reasoning - yes, I use other things to deduce town and scum in games like outside-of-FM factors.

Anyway like I said, I'lll be following up . In the meantime I'd like for you guys to focus a wagon elsewhere instead of me. Though I appreciate a wagon to L-1 for claim, I've been ridiculously busy so I'm not the best person to focus. Plus I'm town - if I'm scum, I'm easy to catch on any day phase as Anti, Fire, Dav, and pk know.

[Performer]

Here for about the next 30 minutes. Will be doing catching up and follow-up. Feel free to engage with me on anything.

[Performer]

@performer, you got schooled, Antihero why do you guys still feel like Davsto is scum? I really didn't get that vibe when I was reading his post. I however haven't played with him before and the self vote he did before might have been motivated by him being scum and wanting to appear town but I'm not sure. Does he have a lot of scum signs that I'm missing?

311 & the below 460 - although we do have some time, Dav didn’t give me a good sense that he cared enough about progressing the game with that 460 post

Oh and still no wagons forming.

Scum paradise this is. But y'all just chugga along, doing what ya gotta do, and when you wanna actually start progressing the game.

Come find me.

Can I ask why you're complaining about the lack of wagons and the lack of progression without any attempt to, you know, actually do either of those things in your post.

If you're gonna bitch about a problem, don't be the one helping to cause it.

Plus, we

do

have over a week left. Don't sweat it.

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fine if youre going to be so dense and hostile and opaque for no apparent reason

VOTE: ygs

I actually haven't seen YGS be hostile and dense and opaque? Am I missing something here?

[Performer]

A mother with kids ? Folks like that have a tough time lying.

you...

incredibly sheltered person

I did do a quick skim though and Tire's continued vote one me is incredibly unnerving. I will be providing a reads list when I get back .

Why should I have retracted it?

You scumread me for my confusion about Brandi's death and for something regarding YDTTU, iirc. You continued to keep your vote on me .
This may sound like some shocker to folks who haven't played with me, but I'll scumread people for scumreading me for a long time, without valid reasons . I seriously think you haven't been evaluating other folks as much as you've been focusing on me.
What 're your town and scumreads?
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I'm getting tired of YGS stating their reachy dislike of me . Be more specific. All you keep saying is "cringeworthy posts"
Sounds like you are seeking an easy mislynch?
Not liking that slot anymore.

[Performer]

I read the first half of the game and got bored again.

Dav is still eww self-vote clown
fire is still scummy
Some points about performer that Im not sure I recall performer recovering from or addressing.

I remember why I origianally voted school, but I dont recall if I should still be voing them.


I wana vote fire.

VOTE: aiden

What on earth??
"Dav is still eww?" That's... mysterious. Can you elaborate on that?
And I see you must've been talking about Aiden as the hydra you wanted to vote? I honestly believe he's town this game because of the pg 5 interaction .

Also prohawk

I have him at null. Not seeing enough from his posts to ping me as super scummy or super Townie.

I think whats scummier than whatever the fuck my gut read for davsto was before is now that he ISNT voting me.

I mean from his POV, if hes town, my horribly half-assed case that was full of incorrect information should've pinged him a lot harder and launched me to the top of his scumlist.

Instead.... Marquis is really a better vote?

Doesn't seem like actually trying to find/lynch scum

Honestly, it did just read like you just read through the thread and it stuck out in your mind. While I'm me, and I remember stuff like people voting/unvoting me around certain times, you're not me and thus it's hardly unreasonable for you to not really take note of it. If you catch up 7 or so pages as you did at once, generally speaking I know from experience only the big stuff really sticks out. Hell, the justification for my Marquis vote came several votes before my post.

The fact that your reaction was just "oh shit yeah" rather than trying to bullshit your way into justifying it makes me think a bit more town too.

Oh hey.

I missed this ^^

I like this. Its not unreasonable, and my experience with dav makes me think its town

When I played as scum against town Davsto , he sounded much clearer. In his 321 you quoted, it's a whole bunch of confusion there. I can't see anyone making sense of what Davsto said in 321.

i have no clue why pisskop always insists on being so unnecessarily antagonistic

This also generally makes him hard to read for me, like Titus.

We're voting YGS, AIden. Pro-tip: pisskop is a likely partner!

I have a great respect for the heads of YGS, but I'm starting to see good points I can agree with regarding YGS. Still not finished with my catchup yet.

[Performer]

More PR talk, like Copping and Rolestopping folks - from Aiden & pk. Sigh.
On the other hand, I can probably learn a thing or two from this as a town strat going forward. Perhaps Anti is right, that I 'm sheltered compared to others (other than Kah & Prohawk).

GO TO FUCKING SLEEP KATSUKI WHERE THE HELL AREYOU ANYWAY

Wth is this about Katsuki? If one of you are Katsuki, you better be damn sure you bringing your A game. You got damn lucky that time.
That dude isn't even that good a scum player. To this day, I'm boggled how he got that award.
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@Pro please vote Dav, YGS , or Tire with me. If you're bored, work on providing us a reads list with detailed explanations.

[Performer]

VOTE: YGS
We need an L-1. Too much stagnation.

@Pro I've been working on my reads list. Will be providing townreads in a sec. You and Anti I have at null
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Scum

YGS - see 572

Tire - 572 as well as “No word from nacho, but I'm pretty sure I'm looking in the right direction, anyway, so it's hard to imagine that I'm lacking town flair.” Fluff post about town flair – why mention this at the end of your sentence?

Davsto – 311 & 460 - although we do have some time, Dav didn’t give me a good sense that he cared enough about progressing the game with that 460 post

[Performer]

Wait, I think I can make this interesting...

VOTE: Performer

You like bringing up roles huh?

P-EDIT: No lurking, just busy dude

Just saw this. Why?

[Performer]

Wait, I think I can make this interesting...

VOTE: Performer

You like bringing up roles huh?

P-EDIT: No lurking, just busy dude

Bringing up roles? You need to reread maybe? I wasn't the one bringing them up . You're understandably new though .
At the same time, I'd like to see you come through with a reads list.

[Performer]

How's that for something? Why you voting for Aiden?

P-EDIT: I def don't see YGS and Davsto as scum together, you have this uncanny desire to point out roles. Am I new though?

I never said I associated anyone as that would be moot talk from me. I don't see why you're talking about YGS & Dav being scum together, as I haven't seen certainty about that connection.

As for Aiden, I don't think pk's voting the right slot.

[Performer]

Kahlan – her post 40 made me slightly townread her. Rest of her ISO doesn’t hit me as someone coming from scum thought process. Later, her 414 expressed what sounded like genuine disapproval of actually being lynched, and that she was new to hydras…this kind of post is the type of post that comes from town
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Aiden (Fire & X) – because of pg 5 interaction
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Fate – 403. Then his interactions on pg 16 moved me to towread him, as he was calling things out could be understandably scummy. Ever since then, he’s been providing good info like his stance on YGS on pg 21 as well as posts about sorting slots. His logical 548 was looking deeper than just content-empty posts

[Performer]

^ebwop: my townreads

[Performer]

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Scum

YGS - see 572

Tire - 572 as well as “No word from nacho, but I'm pretty sure I'm looking in the right direction, anyway, so it's hard to imagine that I'm lacking town flair.” Fluff post about town flair – why mention this at the end of your sentence?

Davsto – 311 & 460 - although we do have some time, Dav didn’t give me a good sense that he cared enough about progressing the game with that 460 post

.....

This is ricudlous...
anything more to say than ellipses?
Adding you to my scumread department. I can't even get to my other game now.
If there are simple , reasonable instructions from town , following through shouldn't be some big drawn-out problem, which you've been displaying.

Pro – he was “bored” on pg 23, I asked him to vote one of my scumreads with me to progress the game, he voted me instead on pg 24 with a lacking 579 post, continued refusing to follow through with a substantial reads list

[Performer]

theres also pretty significant overlap in reads here. how am i null to you?

I've updated my read on you as town, after reviewing your ISO: because of pg 5-13 posting. Reminds me of his town game against me in the large normal. I doubt it’s easy for scum to fake townplay like that

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Regarding YGS, wow. This must be your scum game, Bell/BBT.

You then have a run of posts where you quote a lot, ask a tonne of questions and don't always follow up: looking like 'busywork'
An inconsistent thought process on our slot.
A weird response to anti - as he said, you seem to share a bunch of reads....

You've got to be kidding me...haven't followed up? Show me where I haven't followed up and I'll address that. Instead, as 2 highly experienced players, this slot dares accuse me of "not following up" without specifics. No way are you town. I pride myself in responding to questions with clarity and logic when I'm town.

Inconsistent thought process on your slot? Awfully vague accusation . Inconsistency & being illogical isn't my thing as town. Even when I'm imitating playstyles, I'll try to be straightforward and clear as possible.

town aren't worried about looking logical,

Wow. No. I remember Bell town reading me correctly when I was VT in another game that we ended up winning. She defended me by saying I was putting out sensible info so she wouldn't lynch me. I HIGHLY doubt Bell & BBT, who've been ICs before and have plenty of FM experience - would make such an utterly gross statement as this about town.

[Performer]

Fate – 403. Then his interactions on pg 16 moved me to towread him, as he was calling things out could be understandably scummy. Ever since then, he’s been providing good info like his stance on YGS on pg 21 as well as posts about sorting slots. His logical 548 was looking deeper than just content-empty posts

What were these links supposed to be showing? It looks to me like 403 would be a reason for you to find him

scummy

and I don't understand your comment on post 548 at all.

I was saying that Fate's 548 was speaking about Tire doing an empty vote and posting unsubstantial posts, so that helped me townread Fate

[Performer]

(also, voting kahlan is boring. Go vote for people with content.)

I can't believe YGS is town at all . This is a completely contradictory statement from Bella who's been IC, who has plenty of FM exp, who defended me from being mislynched because I was providing content in that game where she and I were town.

[Performer]

Caught up.

I'll lynch any of Davsto, Fate, Performer, Marquis and Kahlan.

This was an immensely underwhelming catchup.

I'd also feel better about these reads if you went more in depth on them; as it stands, it looks like you compiled a lynch list of everyone that you think would be reasonably lynchable. I also don't really understand why Fate is on this list.

I've been burned getting tunnel visioned on people who self vote. I believe that there is huge scum-motivation to self voting and little town-motivation, but the last time I pushed that angle that particular person turned out to be town. I suppose it could come from either town or scum, or rather its probably more based on personality than alignment....

What is significant about an RVS self-vote?

So Fate misrepped me, claimed he knew Davsto, then Davsto counters Fate's post by claiming they never even played together.

None of these things happened, by the way.

My read on Kah is better now. Will take some time to look into Pro's game later.

In both of these games, Kah's engagement was better in the beginning than it was in this one. Why did this piece of information improve your read on her?

Well, we can't just put that to the side can we? That's a pretty big 'What the fuck just happened' moment that needs looking at.

Fate posted a case on Davesto that was objectively wrong. Fate backed off as a result. You're saying that he should have... done what, exactly? Or did you not understand the case posted and was just agreeing with it because it sounded good? I also hate that your entire scumread on Fate is for him "backing off too early"; do you think he would back off too early if he was scum and Davesto was town? Why? Why did you wait to question Fate on this piece until Fate pointed out how little sense your scumreads made?

Uh yes I'm sure those things happened regarding Fate & Davsto.

Regarding your question on Kahlan: The meta helped improve my read on her - I wasn't just looking at how much she put into there, I was looking at how those games were similar to this one. If she keeps up her excuses about not contributing though, my townread of her will slide like any reasonable person's read should.

Also, how come your head now sounds so much different than the other one? It's a little confusing and very disturbing .

[Performer]

This looks somehow vaguely town; I'm somehow envisioning Performer!scum as not being the type who is savvy enough or brave enough to straight up ask the town to stop wagonning him. The "Kahlan is a mother and they have trouble lying!" is also terrible enough reasoning where I have no idea where to think of it; even if he's scum, he probably believes that there isn't anything horribly wrong with that reasoning, so, no clue what to do with that

Tire, you...
basically said I'm too stupid as scum to be good.

Though it's very odd that you townread me without any direct meta with me, I actually am glad you are reading me correctly because I couldn't care less about my scum game. Outright lying all the time, messing around without enacting justice, and complex manipulation of innocent people, are not my values.

[Performer]

Listen.

Nobody is lynching a claimed vig D1 and there is NOTHING that stops me from shooting you N1.

You die. Without doubt. See ya.

I'm hugely protective of PRs but I find this hardly believable. This is extremely convenient for scum to fake claim.
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Dude, Tire. Why did you claim without any good reason to? I obv don't have as much exp as many players in this game itself , so am I missing something here??

I checked up your role specifics, and it stated you're pro-town...ok. I have a hypothesis on why you claimed like that, but I want to hear your answer first.

[Performer]

The interactions on pg 28 regarding SK, Vig, and Psychiatrist - there seems to be something wrong with the talk there.

-Doesn't Psych have to live, in order to convert an SK to VT? Yet it's being talked about that if Tire died from YGS, then Tire would successfully convert him. That doesn't sound realistic
-In a 12-person game, there somehow exists an SK and/or Vig? To be honest , I find this laughable . Maybe I'm more sheltered but the numbers don't add up. I thought I was coming into a balanced game...camn, this isn't a balanced game either??

[Performer]

As it stands, my strong townreads are {Antihero, Fate, Pisskop, DNTTU}, lesser tier is {Aiden, Davesto}. Out of the group left standing, I'd probably guess that Marquis is the likeliest town out of everyone remaining and would strongly prefer Performer death before the Kahlan-ProHawk lurker squad.

what

i'm so useless let me just go to a meeting and then stare at this some more

@anyone who's town tell me that this doesn't disturb you, because it highly disturbs me. Marquis has been super forgettable this game. On top of that, Tire puts Kah, Pro, and Marquis into higher townread than me, and is feeling better lynching me than them. Even if I was an outsider, I'd be thinking that is a big scum move from Tire to talk like that.

People can't possibly think of the Kah/Pro/Marq/Perf squad, that Perf is the best choice of these 4. If you guys do, then I really am at a loss for words .

[Performer]

@Tire if you're town you need to seriously reanalyze. Call me the most insane scumhunter ever, but people who put in effort and try their best to consistently put in substance , should not be prioritized as lynches over lurkers. This is incredibly scummy what you're doing, and it's not made me townread you.

[Performer]

VOTE: prohawk

Will be following up when i get off work and am at a comp.

*this message was brought to you by phone

[Performer]

I think what you're probably picking up on is frustration that we got off to a great start and yet town is apparently only concerned with derailing itself on the stupidest shit imaginable.

If anything , this pg 33 interaction of Davsto & Tire showed Dav's open mindedness/critical thinking before immediately accepting any claim that comes along, is a town tell (like the game I played with him last year). I'm going to check my notes and see if I made anything else about his alignment. Curious question - Davsto, would you say you are more or less the same as last year in playing your town game or did you change drastically?

So I'mma just post here to tell y'all once again that we are a vig. Not a SK. A Vig.

I hope I have made that perfectly clear.

Irl & in FM, people say all sorts of things. Whether or not this is the actual truth, we'll all just have to see how things roll out after n1 .

[Performer]

inb4 we have an sk and a vig

....don't know where to begin with this.

Hey guys!
I wandered into the bathroom there looking for Kahlan.. and I found kuribo instead! weirdest thing.
I guess he is OK to party with us.

--kuribo replaces Kahlan immediately.

--We use Natural Action Resolution, and healing an SK would be treated as recruitment. As such, kills come first.

Thank god ! I can't talk about it in depth since it's ongoing but I know kuribo's town game somewhat.
kuribo please provide us your thoughts on the situation . I also just got home and will be following up with some things.

[Performer]

if performer is scum here, he improved significantly from the last time he was scum

an improvement i don't think he plausibly achieved.

@YGS I'm not sure why you asked me that? But since you asked, I think I've seen the Nacho head of Tire as well as pk, be ICs before

[Performer]

^ebwop: thanks Anti. I don't care about improving my scum game anyway and am thankful you're reading me correctly!

[Performer]

there's the obvious fact that camn never said that brandi was "town" anywhere in the "flip" but performer assumed brandi was town. that's....uh.... something

by the way, the "flip" was in spoilers in the first post. figured that out later no thanks to you ppl.

thanks everyone, now i know NO ONE read 454

I did read your reads list , but there wasn't anything noteworthy to comment on at the time . : /
Now that you bring that reads list back up, I see why you're voting DNTTU and your case on that slot is compelling. Also, I've observed your town play before when I looked at games onsite, and from my game against you, I'm inclined to trust you intuition .

Sure? I think Nacho was actually my very first scum partner

I didnt mind it, but what does being an IC have to do with this game?

That's what I want to know as well, since YGS asked me it for some reason .

[Performer]

Okai Tire, you were telling the truth. Don't see why you were kicking up such a fuss over a quick mod question but hey ho

Also oh fuck, kuribo, please don't kill me >.>

What a weird post about kuribo killing Davs.

Anyway.

kuribo, your predecessor claimed Doctor for no good reason. Why is this?

[Performer]

@Tire I really don't think it's that important or worth my time to dig up those games of Kahlan's anymore, to point out specific parts of what were comparable to here. I did another ISO of her and the genuine rookie town feel keeps coming at me full force. This can be telling, as I seem to recall that you listed her and I to be vig candidates earlier in this day phase.

[Performer]

My 842 wasn't meant to be rude, just that I think we should concentrate our energies to other things than that hugely taxing meta task . I'm not toolenduso .

[Performer]

For anyone townreading Pro , let me just ask you this: are you comfortable trying to work with someone like this in LyLo?
Chances are he's scum. If we can't get a lynch on him to go through, then I can settle for DNTTU.
VOTE: DNTTU
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I still find it bizarre that Fate & pk naked voted me and nobody questioned this at all.

[Performer]

You know, it would help if you'd expand on the motive, pk.
Same goes for Fate.

[Performer]

In case anyone forgot:

Pro – he was “bored” on pg 23, I asked him to vote one of my scumreads with me to progress the game, he voted me instead on pg 24 with a misrep 579 post, continued refusing to follow through with a substantial reads list.

His 3 posts on 31 seemed Townie, trying to figure things out. Not high-performing posts but town-sounding at least.

But then you have a soft claim in 788 and another refusal to follow a simple, reasonable request, in 810. The inconsistency and refusal to follow through with my or Tire’s reasonable requests…at least talk to us about what on earth is going on because your ISO is scarce like the parched Death Valley.

[Performer]

@Anti: sigh...I don't see why you townread that slot
the Red Herring "baffle them with bullshit" can contribute to chaos which can mean town mislynches
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BBT: well at least you're not using that awful meta tool on this page.
Anti: ok then tell me about what you think of the Aiden vote on you

Aiden's #4 vote on me was a rather lazy accusation in 760 . The X head is still wrong though - accusing me of "knowing that pk & him are town" because of one post of mine. What I think happened there was a misunderstanding . I was saying that I could use that as a town strategy going forward, because I'm generally open minded to all sorts of tools to use in scumhunting. As for whether or not they're actual town, I wouldn't know and would have to continue relying on interactions and so on, to discern their alignments (reads evolve). So I could see the misunderstanding as town from Aiden. Nothing since their interaction with me, has caused me think they're scum.

The hydra discord though is not something I'm liking, as in there could be something suspicious going on there. Thinking ahead - maybe something worth examining in another day phase.

[Performer]

Wait a sec. Just double checked something, it wasn't kuribo but actually Kuroi. So never mind - I don't have meta on kuriboh. My mistake.

[Performer]

Still, it didn't make any sense whatsoever when his predecessor claimed

[Performer]

are you comfortable trying to work with someone like this in LyLo?

well the solution to that is simple

don't let it get to lylo

And this is why I like antihero

Everything seems simple in games with him.

<3

-Fire

I'm sorry I overcomplicate things when I'm town. If you want simple, you need to ask my scum side!

[Performer]

WHY is Katsuki here??

[Performer]

Okai Tire, you were telling the truth. Don't see why you were kicking up such a fuss over a quick mod question but hey ho

Also oh fuck, kuribo, please don't kill me >.>

What a weird post about kuribo killing Davs.

Anyway.

kuribo, your predecessor claimed Doctor for no good reason. Why is this?

If he did, he's a liar and an idiot because I'm a tracker.

WHAT ON EARTH is THIS????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Performer]

Dude. Wth?!

[Performer]

I know pk already questioned but why on earth would you claim like this???

[Performer]

I feel so much like burying my head in quicksand.

[Performer]

And besides


I'm gonna be reading the game in exactly two hours


And if I find out that performer was pulling some role fishy bullshit

I'm going to unleash the hate

NINETY MINUTES

THIS IS YOUR STORM WARNING SO IF YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY YOU BEST SAY IT AND SPELL MY FUCKING NAME RIGHT

Calm down man.
I was purely doing a reaction test . Of all the reactions in the world, I didn't expect you to actually go ahead and make a claim like this.

[Performer]

this conversation is stupid and you and pk should feel bad

(performer and pisskop)

I feel so much like burying my head in quicksand.

You should take it out of the quicksand and maybe you'd realize katsuki is the fucking co-mod and you'd LEARN TO SPELL MY GOD DAMN NAME AND NOT PLAY SHITTY AMISHED TELL MIND GAMES WITH REPLACEMENTS

Well...I expected you to be like any reasonable Townie and go back through your predecessor's ISOs, and then discuss why I said that.
But I never in any reality, expected you to claim that. Seriously.

[Performer]

I invented that fucking test you dummy, you think I wouldn't recognize it


Lucky for you I give zero fucks about claiming my PR on day one

I don't have as much exp as most players in this game itself, and Anti said I'm sheltered, and in a way I am. So enlighten me how your PR claiming on d1 even benefits us??

Clearly you have more exp than me so help me understand this.

[Performer]

I'm going to take a very hard look at that slot after this phase. That interaction may have sounded stupid but there is something extremely wrong about that. I am being serious.

[Performer]

We look forward to your catchup posts. I'm calling it a day, I need to follow-up with the lady I was a on blind date with on Saturday.

I was townreading Kahlan but never in my life would I have expected this ...interaction to happen with kuribo. There is something wrong about that claim like that after I put that reaction test there.

[Performer]

@kuribo like I stated, I would never role fish. Why you told us that awkward claim without checking for actual need to claim, as well as checking your ISO - this is the first time I've seen anyone do this.

[Performer]

My sincere apologies to Katsuki. : (

[Performer]

I was townreading Kahlan but never in my life would I have expected this ...interaction to happen with kuribo. There is something wrong about that claim like that after I put that reaction test there.

no, there's not

I have to heavily disagree with this.

[Performer]

I wouldn't disagree with highly experienced, talented town players unless there is something seriously wrong that I suspect is going on . He should've passed the reaction test with flying colors.

Anyway I 'm going to drop this convo about kuribo right now as you said it's not looking fruitful .

[Performer]

pk - you remember the game I modded with CKD and camn and Lokiben? Anyway...I have to call it a night. Good night all.

[Performer]

Caught up into pg 40. Will be very busy today so I'm not sure I can catch up until tomorrow, for the rest of the pgs (which are only 2 more pgs).
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pisskop

i am an informed townie who knows there are x trackers in town

i know the x i'm not sharing it but it's more than 1

i didn't expect anyone to outright counterclaim tho

i just felt like kuribo could be a scum version of my role. idk why i didn't consider him actually one of multiple trackers, but i really have no idea how he could claim so quickly like that against an obv reaction test

First impression was, "Just what was going on here? " I didn't see why there was a good reason to out his role.
Then I thought, " wait , there are 2 possible explanations...1 world is where he is deceiving us, which means he's mafia aligned. The world #2 is where he's also deceiving us but taking a town gambit."

[Performer]

So I was townreading Kahlan for what looked like genuine town posting from a rookie.

But then the replacement came in with what looked like the most staged assault ever, against me, from pgs 35-39
I lay a reaction test for his replace-in, he later stated he realized it was indeed a reaction test, instead of carefully looking through his predecessor’s short ISO to address me about my reaction test, he claimed Tracker under no good reason, stated in 912 that he was possibly joking about the claim; later claimed Tracker again, provided a lackluster photo “catch-up” in 926 of “blah blah blah, I’m too old for this, unicorns and avatars” instead of engaging us and providing catch-up in thread; On top of that, the guy’s played many many games and is a nurse irl – to be a nurse, you have to have high patience and a high level of customer service . So yes, I’m saying what he did on pgs 35-39 was staged – in other words, from scum.

I checked his posts elsewhere and combining that with his request to replace out – looked like there was something heavily personal going on that he let influence him in the game. I’ve personally seen relatives, a classmate, and read news about situations like this….where they’d get so pissed off that they’d call me names and act like they were going to murder me. But don’t let it get to you, it’s nothing you did, it’s something they’re going through on a personal level. So pisskop, no need to feel bad about the interaction. There’s a difference between people like that being unnecessarily antagonistic , people who're pushing people for good reasons, and people who can express anger healthily - I’ve experienced firsthand more than enough situations to tell the difference.

The behavior exhibited from him on those pgs, was far pushing the line and I’d also advocate for a ban of him.

[Performer]

1 nk instead of 2 nks, that is a noticeable difference.
Looks like 3 Trackers died so far, 2 scum...I wonder how we can tell if the YGS-Tiresias interaction actually happened.
I knew it! Prohawk was scum . Was obvious from his d1 play.
Based on the above details , looks like an SK remains. Starting to doubt there's a Bg or Doc in this setup.


Wasn't here for the quick wagon on d2.
Need to reread my notes.

When I pre-inned to camn's game , I thought I was going into a Normal, Balanced game...but this is neither!!!
- _-

[Performer]

Tiresias. Talk to me about YGS.

[Performer]

YGS, who did you target last night?

I'm curious as well.

[Performer]

Marq/anyone - what do you guys think of YGS & Tire at this point? One of my focuses is them for d3. I'm not talking about voting them at this point but there is definitely something suspect about them.

Also , in no world would I have thought the Nadia slot was actually town. Wow.

[Performer]

Since we have 7 remaining and there have been 3 who claimed already, I have an idea to suggest for this day phase, but I first want to see what people say . It's not some wildly farfetched idea but I've been considering it for this phase, but depends on what happens. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad idea yet.

[Performer]

On d3 I'm starting feel like I'm having a hard time catching up with this talk about theories as well as ascetic SKs. Clearly I have the least experience in FM compared to the rest of you guys.
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IM ALIVE AHHEHAHAHAHAA

Yeah now I know to trust my gut reads.

Though Davsto eventually became obvscum in the end, I followed Antihero like a damn clown

Vote: Performer

NO MORE

actually maybe YGS just shot the bulletproof SK

Also the SK has to be a Ninja if theres any balance to be had so <_<

Post 1144 finally answered my suspicion against Fate's vote on d1 - he explains it with a gut read.
Then he posted 1147 , which is a sensible theory.

The talk of SK, ninja, bp, and ascetic - all these things are making me very uncomfortable.

Looking at nka alone, I'd think there are 2 scum and 1 SK so possibly 1 SK remains. If that SK turned out to be some ninja/ascetic+bp SK, that wouldn't sound too farfetched considering the flips and that this isn't a Normalized game.
pk's visit to Tire on n1, showed he visited YGS. Ok. But then pk revealed he visited Tire again, on n2? pk what's your result for n2?

[Performer]

Then we're lucky, I was thinking about submitting a psych on anti, but nacho never got back to me and we ended up doing nothing.

My reaction to this is that it's extremely suspicious. A highly experienced player with at least 1 head having IC'd before....forgetting a PR submission at nighttime?

[Performer]

^ebwop ended up doing nothing at nighttime

[Performer]

I've been townreading pk and dislike Fate for d3 with the oh-so-fabulous gut read.
Curious to see what pk replies with

[Performer]

pk didn't you say you tracked Tire twice in a row??

[Performer]

what's your result for n2

[Performer]

Sure perf.


They went nowhere, like they said and I hinted at

Ok. Reason I persisted in this is because I'm also a Town Tracker and saw Tire go nowhere last night. This is also why I kept asking about Tire & YGS.
After all this on d3, I'm still not sure if Tire & YGS are town or scum . Tire's post and answer to my call-out, looked genuine.

I tracked the Nahdia slot because after all that happening on d1, I was super sure that slot was scum. Then they died and flipped town, much to my surprise.

[Performer]

Since we have 7 remaining and there have been 3 who claimed already, I have an idea to suggest for this day phase, but I first want to see what people say . It's not some wildly farfetched idea but I've been considering it for this phase, but depends on what happens. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad idea yet.

Why did you suggest a mass claim?

I thought that would help better clear the air, as in help us find the villain.
But as I said at the time, I wasn't certain if would even be helpful in a game like this.

[Performer]

Fate advocated for full claim yet he didn't claim yet? Since 5/7 already claimed, aid and fate might as claim too

Fates seems very sure I'm an sk . Just know if i get lynched and i will flip town, i hope people recall that he voted me on d1 on gut, and started the vote on me for d3

[Performer]

VOTE: fate

*These and the above post were brought to you through phone

[Performer]

I find it funny you call me out on"miserable" pr play. If you're town, I'd like to see what you advise for better pr play. Talk to me after the game if you r really town and if you care.

[Performer]

We got the mafia tracker and mafia watcher stopped by d2, so i don't think there is scum remaining. Only an sk, i suspect.

[Performer]

Also, the reduction of nk from n1 to n2 is further correlation.

[Performer]

And Because of the unusual setup, sk may just have full bp, bp and ninja/ascetic, or some other combo of powers. But based on what pk and i found through the night 2 concerning tire, as well as my fm game where i was jk with ranger and heat vs broseidon and beeboy, I'm not inclined to push for tire

[Performer]

Fire and anyone who's been attentive to this game: gut read vote in d1, He's gut reading me d3 with a vote after all this time in d3,and kept His vote there. Classic scum move and im not Moving my vote from there unless there is some drastic development. I was patient in seeing if there was anything else that'd come up for a better vote, but after what I've seen , I changed my town read of him to scumread


*please note that all posts before 4pm pst, will be from phone

[Performer]

Marquis , thoughts? Everyone has claimed. Does this fit what you said you know?

Also, Fate being the only nonpowered role, that doesn't sound true considering all the roles.

[Performer]

Though the claim and admittance of fake claim after i asked him about it, is suspicious, pk had a point. What was your motive for doing that , marquis??

If that's not your actual role, what is it? ?

[Performer]

Welcome , RC.

The fact that there was no night kill on n3, makes me highly skeptical of the RC slot as he replaced in during night 3.
@RC what was your result?

The fact that we have experienced players in this game and there was no night kill - the theory that someone didn't submit on purpose, is unbelievable and they're setting themselves up for a higher chance of loss. This is also why I'm wondering about the RC slot. However, I've been townreading that slot since d1 so I want to see what rolls out for today, and since we only need 4 to lynch, I want to be careful of placing a vote so quickly.

Sequence of events on pk: pushed DNTTU on d1, who turned out town. Without stating intent to hammer , he hammered Marquis on d3. Then in d4 we find out there's no nk - throughout n3, the phase right before d4, RC was replacing into pk's slot. All these events cause growing doubt for my read on that slot.
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@YGS, 3 people tracked Tire to nowhere, so why are you voting him? I don't understand this.
@Aiden I thought you claimed but you didn't , according to Tire? I wish for you to claim - this is a serious request and I'll reveal why after you claim

[Performer]

Performer, do you think I'm too dumb to submit a night action on replacing in?

Hmm. Ok.

Tire has been tracked when a kill was made?

Good point. I recall he did push on me in d1 and was on the Marq wagon for d3.
Based on the remaining 6 and what's been claimed already , Tire probably is the remaining bad guy through POE.
VOTE: Tiresias
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Despite putting a lousy vote on me in d3, I reviewed Fate's ISO on that phase and it looked like genuine posts that are more likely to come from town than scum .

[Performer]

Prodge, will be catching up this week.
Please note this week will be busier than usual for me as I have 4 small performances on Saturday night.

I ask that we please do not lynch anyone until I have caught up and provided thoughts.

[Performer]

Not voting rc and ygs , they've been super helpful d4. I tracked aiden n3, and he indeed went nowhere - at least according to the result i received. On n2 tire went nowhere as well.

And then fate suddenly does a 100% read switch on me on d4 after saying I'm add-in, since d1.

I need a vote count update. I'm not sure which 3 to vote right now. Aidens lack of submission is very disturbing for an experienced hydra. Doesn't seem like genuine concerned town. Then again, the supposed psychologist tire , not certain if we can trust his night movement. And we have fate , who claimed vt in a game with such a wild setup.

[Performer]

Ebwop: saying I'm scum since d1.

Rc can you provide a catchup when you've caught up please.

Posts before 4pm pst weekdays, are phone posts*

[Performer]

I'll leave my vote on Tire for now.
Aiden's 1474 proposition sounds solid, I can't think of major problems with that at the moment.

@RC I reviewed your posts and you mentioned an NL on d4? That is extremely peculiar as I don't see how on earth that'll help after d1. Maybe I'm just overthinking things.

[Performer]

Tires skepticism makes no sense. Why would i track nahdia if i thought that slot was town. Not only was that behavior from that slot completely out of line, but the posts alone were way scummy.

The most unexpected thing happened though, which was that slot dying.

I'm starting to see no lynch as a good idea.UNVOTE:

The only overestimating of me is anyone expecting me to be extremely good or even good as scum, which is a funny notion.

VOTE: no lynch

[Performer]

I know it's d4 but this is an abysmally slow game.

[Performer]

The way that he approaches reads in the game doesn't make sense and look genuine at all; his vote on DNTTU was because pisskop told him to and then he acted like he was scum reading them the whole time, and his vote on YGS was "because we need to have an L-1" and then acted like he was scum reading them the whole time. His votes on Davesto and Prohawk were the only votes that he seemed to have any conviction in whereas he's been softing suspicion of us the entire game but didn't vote until YGS asked him to (and somehow forgot that we didn't go anywhere N2 while a kill happened even though he tracked us N2 when a kill happened).

Only convinced on Dav/Pro? You've got to be kidding me. These are some farfetched cases in 62-63.
VOTE: Tiresias

Tire has been on me in d1, and now he tries reviving the wagon on me in d4.
That last sentence about me "forgetting" he didn't go anywhere on n2 even though I tracked him on n2, made no sense whatsoever. Misrepresentation. I'm not as experienced as the folks in this particular game but I always try my hardest as town, and in this case - I put trust into those with more experience, which I've stated about YGS.

I'd like for us to consolidate votes on Tiresias.

[Performer]

lynch aiden today lynch kagami tomorrow if the games still going. i believe.

I would be fine with this I guess.
But I still think its more likely Fate than Kagami hydra.

-FIre

Wait a second. This post of yours?

I just reviewed the ending-day votecounts.
Taking that into consideration along with this suicidal post from you, that is highly suspicious. Town looking to get themselves lynched, is anti town.

[Performer]

Double checked the vote count and we have a candidate to hammer, someone who isn't YGS or the kanye slot.

Intent to hammer.

[Performer]

Sigh. After the last few pages after i stated intent of hammer on aiden, people like fate and tire planned to lynch me next? And yet we have fate who's claimed vt in this otherwise fully powered setup.

If you're town , aiden, sorry for this, but the game has to move forward in light of all that's happened.


VOTE: aiden

[Performer]

It's been brought up before that there's a chance there's someone who has an untraceable ability, Tire. I sincerely apologize for lesser activity as the past weeks have been surprisingly busier. This week I'm pulling ot shifts. I'll try to check in as much as I can but a no lynch, as people have stated, isn't wise. I've seen enough past games to know that.

[Performer]

This is definitely a strange game. My result was on fate, who went nowhere last night. I hope someone tracked me last night.

[Performer]

VOTE: Tire

[Performer]

Fates last post by itself though, is incredibly suspect. He voted aiden, i hammered, and in twilight he goes on to put high suspicion on me.

[Performer]

I thought he was scummier at end of d4.

[Performer]

And now, in d5, tire goes to empty vote me. Combined with a supposed no action from fate, i think a tire vote is better right now.

[Performer]

Yeah you wish. If you have nothing productive to contribute other than pushing for my and aidens deaths, then just empty vote. No need to descend to a lowly post resembling that of Kuribo 's. If you're town, which i think you have a somewhat higher chance of compared to tire - then your play is miserable this game.

[Performer]

This is definitely a strange game. My result was on fate, who went nowhere last night.

I hope someone tracked me last night.

hammer whenever Kanye.

You didn't die last night so theres nothing to fear I'm not scum after all apparently

if i was scum, I'd have killed you by now.
I said that because I thought kanye would have tracked me, since hes the only other tracker.

I need to reevaluate my vote with these posts from tire and fate.

[Performer]

Kanye you're saying you did track me, yet you're willing to hammer me considering what's happened through the day and night phases? That's a mighty scummy change of read.

VOTE: kanye

[Performer]

Wow - scum had factional ninja & poison abilities along with this very creative setup. Great
work moderating, camn and Katsuki!

Not sure what’s meant by Tire attempting to heal YGS and me. Also, why did Tire target the two of us?

[Performer]

nice role, fate.

If you guys were a bit more patient instead of quick-lynching me on d4, maybe town would've still had a chance. I doubt anyone knew this setup would involve poison, which turned out to be LyLo instead of MyLo.

[Performer]

Wow - scum had factional ninja & poison abilities along with this very creative setup. Great
work moderating, camn and Katsuki!

Not sure what’s meant by Tire attempting to heal YGS and me. Also, why did Tire target the two of us?

That's his Psychiatrist ability.

Oh

[Performer]

AIDEN YOU FUCKING SHIT HOW COULD YOU NO ACTION

AIDEN YOU FUCKING SHIT HOW COULD YOU NO ACTION

Way to blame someone else for your failure to read a player.
lol

Fire...honestly man, going forward, I think everyone town in a game, would appreciate if you could submit an action every time your are a PR. I for instance, submit my actions ahead of time for the upcoming night phase in case I'm too busy to do so, especially on a weekday. And if I end up changing my mind before that night phase deadline, then I pm the mod.

Considering you were in a hydra and no night action was submitted .... that was frustrating to hear.
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I read you as town but you still had to be lynched for that shit

and you're one to talk thinking the game would end with lynching me?

I never said I did well. This blame is on multiple people. You coming in here and blaming people shows a lack of personal responsibility for my lynch and for losing.

If I was still alive, I wouldn't have done much better, and I said I played terrible in the game.

Like my reads, 100% terrible. I even admitted so in the dead thread.

I learned a lot about how Fate plays, in this game. Interesting playstyle he carries, reminds me of pk town (at times) and Jake from State Farm (the past Jake, as the recent few games I played with him, he seemed more mellow).

@Fire well...what can we say ? We live and we learn.

[Performer]

Also, why did Tire target the two of us?

I targeted YGS because there's no other acceptable action for a Psychiatrist who has outed a claimed vig. I targeted you when I did because I figured that targeting the person who I found the scummiest as Psychiatrist is probably what I would do if town.

Interesting. I have this meta where every time I'm town and new players come across me - they almost instantly scumread me. I guess confidence, consistency, critical thinking, patience, and being truthful will get us nowhere these days.

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CATCH UP

YOU ACT LIKE IW AS GODDAMN FOOLED

I JUST DONT STOP LONG ENOUGH TO THINK THROUGH ALL THE POSSIBILITIES

THAT THE GAME WOULD END

I WANTED MY YGS-FATE-NACHO LYLO

We live and we learn. I find that the more games you observe and the more you play, you sustain a willingness to consider all possibilities. In specific cases, I will not tell the whole truth of a situation. For instance, if I mentioned I'm townread X and Y, I will have in my notes certain parts of them that I found scummy. Hence my doubt on Aiden and you , later in the game.
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@camn

[Performer]

^ebwop townreading X and Y

[Performer]

Well you should probably lynch your scum reads instead of focusing on Policy lynches.

And this is why I never believed in policy lynches. It's like saying we're supposed to let go of someone in a company "just because." There better be at least one damn valid reason to let go of someone. For instance, X has been scummy because of this reason, and so on. This is also why I voted Tire and thought Fate had a higher chance of being town, as Fate's tone of posting sounded more town and Tire pushed cases on me that sounded over the top.

I agree, and I'll admit that mistake happened

policy lynched you for missing an action when no kill

policy lynched performer for being incomprehensible and shit

wanted my epic showdown

<-its on me

I don't get how I was being incomprehensible when everything I said was so clear!
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@Tire man. I wish others listened to me. When people vote me, I have a very good sense of if they're voting me for good reasons. Aka Prohawk pushing me and later, when you pushed me .
The fact that I used the strategy of heavily following others in this game, was because I was well aware of how less experienced I was. I stayed open minded to cooperating with high-talent town performers because being unreasonable stubborn wasn't going to get me or town far. With the experience I've attained in FM, I knew that was the best road to follow and I also had in the back of my mind, that someone might call me out on that but I didn't expect that to get far.

Once the revelation of multiple Town Trackers and even a Scum Tracker, was revealed - I considered my meta on their town games of RC, pk, Anti, Bella, and BBT. I came to the conclusion that no matter what, one of the best things I could do was carefully sheep them or if someone pushed me for wrong reasons, I'd have to stand up and vote them back. But in hindsight, I don't see what else I could've done. Was a fun game. The Marquis lynch was the most unfortunate of all the mislynches though LOL.

[Performer]

ninja kill

Hey Fate, remember you lost your shit saying there is no way scum had a ninja?

Good times. Fuck this game.

This is why you don't setup spec?

I happen to think there's a time and place for setup spec. The talk of ninja was reasonable, which meant our night actions meant nothing, which also meant our reads need to evolve and that we can't just take PR actions for granted. The fact that 3 of us tracked Tire while he used a ninja ability to kill someone on that night...I mean what can we say, right? Nothing more we could've done imo.

The performer lynch was terrible.

Thank you.

i thought his fakeclaim was pretty dumb but not scummy

Interestingly enough, iirc , Marquis followed up with elaborating on why he fake claimed, which caused me to doubt my scumread of him - it sounded somewhat reasonable for him to have pulled that fake claim. Though I admit , it was a very risky move . I don't remember ending up voting him on that phase , which I wouldn't have anyway.

Marquis fakeclaim was brilliant what

Am I the only person who thought it initially caused more chaos than it being brilliant??

It's even worse that Bella wanted to lynch the Tire slot but could never find the time for the game

Bella : (
I think in my very first game where Bella and I played, with mala, Jake, RC, implosion - she read me very well. I also remember playing with you at least once (I think you replaced out of that game), and I've observed your town play several times. I know these sound like odd reasons but this was partly why I was very much against lynching you or the pk slot throughout the game.
If I was doctor or bodyguard, I would've prioritized you/RC/pk/Anti for sure in this game. I wasn't as familiar with the others in this game.

[Performer]

And no, it's not a meta thing. it's an overarching scumtell.
it's a scumtell for everyone.

besides me because I play as scum when I'm town.

i didn't recognize that this was your perspective

then don't jump to conclusions about what I was or was not doing please.
I'm not saying I'm better than everyone
but I'm certainly saying that my solutions are different than everyones.

even people who have hydrad with me several times, with the sole exception of Frozen Angel, don't understand how my reads owrk.

RC the way you work as town , has always been frustrating to me and to others. But I came to the acceptance a while back, that you are actually quite brilliant. This is also why despite my own way of scumhunting, I put trust into others to cooperate with them as town - as long we attain an end goal of a valid lynch, which is important for town to move ahead.

[Performer]

Thanks! We wanted to challenge the site meta's tendency to "follow the cop" so to say, and not challenge role information from play information. Few players showed the ability to think critically, and very nearly reached the conclusion that there must be something else going on with all the trackers in the game.

It's important to think critically!

I'm curious, camn! Do you have any pointers for me? I'm always looking to improve .

[Performer]

Thanks! We wanted to challenge the site meta's tendency to "follow the cop" so to say, and not challenge role information from play information. Few players showed the ability to think critically, and very nearly reached the conclusion that there must be something else going on with all the trackers in the game.

It's important to think critically!

I'm curious, camn! Do you have any pointers for me? I'm always looking to improve .

Outside of that Amished reaction fishing, your play seemed fine. Was much better than that first game I played with you in imo. For me I think it's hard to judge your play because our playstyles are rather contrasting (plus I only really skimmed your posts tbh).

Thanks Kat! Every now and then I may pull a rather absurd gambit like that, LOL. One time it worked REALLY well somehow, with us lynching the Mafia Cop. I faked their claim of them being Town Cop upon replacing in, and we eventually lynched them . Very interesting game.

I also finished reading the scum PT and WOW. Major credit to Tire. I can't believe I'm saying this but I learned very much from the scum play in this game because of that scum PT. Anyway I'll be bookmarking this game for future reference. If anyone has anything else to address with me, please pm me. Was cool playing with you guys. See you around!