Mini 1774: Formation of America's Mafiascum - Perfect Town W

[Nosferatu]

this game would have been so much better if it were Mini 1776 instead of 1774.

VOTE: beeboy

[Nosferatu]

inb4 firebringer is hated

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: persivul
If it was a random vote why say "just tradition" while voting??

[Nosferatu]

@Widow Attack: that last post was obvious but will you guys be signing your posts or not?

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VOTE: persivul
If it was a random vote why say "just tradition" while voting??

Oh yeah wgeurts is right, this is a terrible reason for a vote.
VOTE: Nosferatu

also I'll have you know, there's no reason that he reads the game, puts fire to L-1 for "tradition", and then "realizes" he just put someone up for L-1 where there is a mod confirmed hated. And yes I'm assuming he read the game up to that point, as no rational person puts down a vote before reading the game.

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Except if I had read the game I would have noted when I voted that it wasn't L-1, thus avoiding the whole controversy - duh.

tru
UNVOTE:

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Window

Nos is a good vote too tho

no he isn't

also: reason for window vote or RVS?

Are you really dyslexic Kling?

And nearsighted, with astigmatism. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff I think I see when I look out the window and don't have my glasses on.

I have 20/5 vision, but I've also got anomalous dichromacy (I can "see" all colors but they're fucked to all hell)

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but it wasn't.

[Nosferatu]

You're disgustingly personable

[Nosferatu]

Is it normal for sircakez to not have an original bone in his body?

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it's not bigger. it's just two one liners with spacing.

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VOTE: Dierfire

[Nosferatu]

wguerts was the first person to call my vote shit iirc

[Nosferatu]

Nos, give me your top three town and scum reads gun to head please.
~wgeurts

town:
1. suzune
2. BBmolla
3. idfk

scum:
1. Dierfire
2. SirCakez
3. idfk

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: Dierfire
VOTE: SirCakez

[Nosferatu]

Oh, hey, I missed that Nosferatu was voting for me.

@Nosferatu

Why are you voting for me?

the tone of your posts get on my nerves. There's bigger fish to fry than you rn though.

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu-Haven't found a good way to read this guy. Will review this one tomorrow to.

after all we've been through together

[Nosferatu]

Just unoriginal and opportunistic. Just jumps on wagons like a settler.

[Nosferatu]

You're right I should've said potential wagons.

Just unoriginal and opportunistic. Just jumps on wagons like a settler.

I've only made two non-RVS votes and only one on a wagon (the Persivul vote). This is max misrep.

were both of those votes not almost immediately after a previous one?

vote on nosferatu: 85
reasons laid out by wguerts 5 posts before

vote on persivul: 315
vote by firebringer 2 posts before and no reasoning other than sorting.

I mean sure it would be excusable if there were some questions along with that vote, but all we got was a "if you didn't like this why are you on this" FIFTY POSTS LATER. And that question shows obvious attention not being paid to the slot, so obviously there weren't any questions that needed to be responded to at the time of the vote, therefore sorting was an afterthought of getting on the wagon.

O P P O R T U N I S M

[Nosferatu]

Yeah I wanted to join a wagon I agreed with. Wagoning isn't opportunism. And I still possess that scumread on you, Persivul has improved to null since he's started to actually do stuff.

wagoning under the pretense of sorting is scummy af and it's what you've been doing all game. Sure voting someone puts pressure under them, but only when accompanied with heavy questioning. That's how you sort people with votes. Not just voting them and sitting on it. Which is what you've done so far.

[Nosferatu]

he started to do something because of the passage of time. You didn't add pressure.

[Nosferatu]

you're saying your vote pressured him into doing that? It forced him into making that post?

[Nosferatu]

no. Your name is on that post because it was on the wagon, but you joining the wagon didn't push him to make that post. It doesn't go both ways.

[Nosferatu]

Like thats ridiculous. Of course me joining the wagon helped push him to make that post. Without a wagon that post wouldn't have existed.

this isn't hard.

[Nosferatu]

Ok Nos is still scum.
What else is new?

even your scum-read on me is unoriginal.

[Nosferatu]

and yet you still don't explain why

I'll tell you why, because wguerts made a believable post on why my vote was bad and therefore my slot was bad, so SirCakez hopped in on the fun and voted me. In fact my slot was apparantly so bad that he decided to garner votes on me based on reasoning that WASN'T EVEN HIS.

VOTE: Beeboy
Was looking at ISOs and Beeboy's is terrible. Lots of fluff, so little scumhunting.

Says mr 20 posts.

I didn't accuse your post quantity, I accused your post quality. Get it right.

If anything Nos is OMGUSing me since I've had a scumread on him for much longer then he's started pushing me. And he's using misrep and bs reasons to try to push me so it's pretty obvious.

you don't have a real scum read on me. You don't even have a real goddamn reason. You didn't have one then, and now you're playing dumb for reasons now.

pedit: pls we've already heard the other player's thoughts on the matter.

[Nosferatu]

wow, such case. Let me make a "case" on cake.

More Nos votes pls
Not many strong reads yet, there's a lot of joking around and roleplaying. I think Window Attack and Suzune are p townie though.

asking for votes and basic observations. Random "reads" really just assessing serious post number

Persivul has hardly done much to deserve a townreading yet imo.

simple "x hasn't done much" that puts persivul in a position to be voted in the future

Not really liking Fire or Kill now. Fire's tunnel is bad and Kill is just not doing anything.

more basic observation

I find it interesting how Kill made two bigger posts directly after I called him out for not doing anything.

observation that is true if made on any person ever.

I find it interesting how Kill made two bigger posts directly after I called him out for not doing anything.

That's not a fair charge. If he continues to do nothing, you continue to suspect him for that. If he does something, you say it's suspicious that he did something in response to being called out. It's like asking someone if they've stopped kicking puppies yet.

Fair enough. The way he popped in and started posting so quickly post-accusation just felt off to me.
Dierfire has done fuck all in game, not really much to read there.
Kill is starting to look like a good vote also.

more observations with no commital.

You're getting ridiculously over defensive.

presenting someone responding to other posts as over defensive when the only posts that can be made will be defensive in nature

Urgh Kill might just be really bad town. His reaction to the fake dayvig was pretty town. I can't get any traction on Now which is annoying as hell so I'll gogo Persivul wagon since I want to sort him and he's not doing anything.
VOTE: Persivul

changing votes because kill wagon is dissolving

Alch why do you hate my Persivul vote? What's wrong with adding pressure to a slot doing nothing?

"what's wrong with voting under the pretext of sorting?"

I'm null scumreading it for lack of content. Thought it was pretty clear but apparently not.

"I'm obviously scumreading it despite presenting any reasons besides a basic observation of their post count guiz"

Urgh Kill might just be really bad town. His reaction to the fake dayvig was pretty town. I can't get any traction on Now which is annoying as hell so I'll gogo Persivul wagon since I want to sort him and he's not doing anything.
VOTE: Persivul

Alch why do you hate my Persivul vote? What's wrong with adding pressure to a slot doing nothing?

I'm looking, and I don't see the term "scum" anywhere. Now it looks like you're backtracking.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes I didn't explicitly say I was null scumreading him but it was heavily implied. I'm not going to say "I'm scumreading this person!" every time I vote someone, that's just common sense.

saying his nullscum read on persivul was heavily implied despite there being no such insinuation in the post.

Persivul if you didn't like Fire's response so much why vote a lurker instead?

question with no followup that really didn't need to be asked

Just because I didn't say "I'm scumreading him" doesnt mean I wasn't scumreading him.

kek

Just unoriginal and opportunistic. Just jumps on wagons like a settler.

I've only made two non-RVS votes and only one on a wagon (the Persivul vote). This is max misrep.

relying on technicality to just slap MISREP on future posts

Yeah I wanted to join a wagon I agreed with. Wagoning isn't opportunism. And I still possess that scumread on you, Persivul has improved to null since he's started to actually do stuff.

>wagoning isn't opportunism
well no it isn't but jumping on wagons as soon as they seem to be forming is.
>persivul is null because he started to do stuff
as the game progresses everyone will post more so really that's just a pointless statement

don't think I need to pick through earlier posts.

pedit: ye no

[Nosferatu]

you haven't even given a reason on why my first vote was a bad one fam

[Nosferatu]

you wanna see a misrep?

59 is an awful reason to vote someone. This is where my initial scumread developed from. Wgeurts initially caught it and I agreed with it. Then in 102 he argues for the vote only to unvote three posts later 105. No conviction there at all.
Then there's a big stretch of one liners from 119 to 211 that contribute nothing and are fluff/coasting.
366 begins his long, terrible push on me, using awful reasoning to scumread like "Just jumps on wagons like a settler." (this is terrible, I only joined one wagon and that was intentional) and then his big "your Persivul vote was pointless" which I've already refuted because Persivul made posts responding directly to his wagon. And then when this is pointed out he made a pointless post handwaving it in 395.

this is a misrep.

first you say my vote logic was bad without saying why.

then you claim I had no conviction because I unvoted after reading a post that legit explains why the post persival made wasn't scummy. Continuing the vote after would have been tunneling. It's a lose-lose situation there, and either way you would've construed it as bad.

next you claim that all my posts from 119 to 211 were all fluff one-liners when they were actually responses to current posts, not just basic observations, which your ISO makes up.

next you claim my reason for scum reading you were bad and using a quote that I said was misleading later.

and then you use your stupid ass post saying your vote on persivul was useful because he mentioned you in a later post.

that's a fucking misrep fam.

pedit: oh boy

[Nosferatu]

>observation and analysis isn't scummy
the point is that there isn't analysis fam

you haven't even given a reason on why my first vote was a bad one fam

It's really obvious why it was bad. Persivul never said his vote was random and you assumed it was.
P-Edit: Yessssss I knew it
P-P-Edit: ew

thank you, honestly. I SAID IT WASN'T RANDOM. I said it wasn't random and he intentionally voted firebringer. I thought that the "just tradition" was either a. his tradition of voting FB in RVS that I didn't know of or b. a tradition of putting people to L-1

good fucking job confirming you didn't have an original opinion.

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can you not read.

[Nosferatu]

pls tell me how that post shows that I thought his vote was random. Go ahead.

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no. it's saying I assumed it WASN'T A RANDOM VOTE.

it's why there a big fat fucking IF at the beginning of the post.

IF it was a random vote WHY do this

it's OBVIOUSLY saying I thought it wasn't a random vote. Otherwise how would ANY POST GOING FORWARD MAKE SENSE.

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VOTE: persivul
If it was a random vote why say "just tradition" while voting??

Oh yeah wgeurts is right, this is a terrible reason for a vote.
VOTE: Nosferatu

also I'll have you know, there's no reason that he reads the game, puts fire to L-1 for "tradition", and then "realizes" he just put someone up for L-1 where there is a mod confirmed hated. And yes I'm assuming he read the game up to that point, as no rational person puts down a vote before reading the game.

like was this post even read? I'm arguing he read the page and intentionally put FB on the guillotine.

[Nosferatu]

because he presented a logical argument as to why it was random as he proved he hadn't read up to the latest page.

you're bad at this

[Nosferatu]

This is where I am sitting I have no strong town reads.
{beeboy}
{Shiro, Klingoncelt, Firebringer, Alchemist21}
{Suzune, Nosferatu, Dierfire}
{Killthestory, Persivul, Window Attack, BBmolla}
{SirCakez}

beeboy are u scum

[Nosferatu]

is that for me too

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like in all the games I've played only scum put themselves at the top of their readlists.

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come Molla, don't you remember me and my dramatic death scenes in legend of the hidden temple. That is my thing :p

it's still shitposting

[Nosferatu]

I don't like this wagon on sir cakez

Why not?

Seems like the counter to persivul and just based on very little, and sir Cakez tends to form wagons on him all the time.

in retrospect these two posts bother me. It's a really weird defense of cake without actually disputing the wagon.

VOTE: BBmolla

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suzunne vs beeboy is boring me

[Nosferatu]

oh snap I did vote you

I don't remember why...

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UNVOTE: BBmolla
can't remember for the life of me

[Nosferatu]

To be fair As long as I keep hitting scum my other reads don't matter

but your scum reads aren't on point either lol

[Nosferatu]

it doesnt fucking matter this has turned into a dick measuring contest god damn

Mines smaller than yours.

Ignoring what I said I see.

Why are you scum fire, I trusted you

Shiro, I am like 80% conf town at this point.
Tomorrow I will be 100%./quote]
why? don't remember any cop results on you or something?

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it doesnt fucking matter this has turned into a dick measuring contest god damn

Mines smaller than yours.

Ignoring what I said I see.

Why are you scum fire, I trusted you

Shiro, I am like 80% conf town at this point.
Tomorrow I will be 100%.

why? don't remember any cop results on you or something?[/quote]
EBWOP

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fuck. you get the gist.

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why do all these people think they're conf town??? You guys wouldn't be anywhere if I didn't push the fuck outta cakes and I'm not conf town.

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VOTE: Dierfire

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why is suzune null and beeboy town? I have the reverse.

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why does everyone apparently scumread kill? He's playing the same as the last town game I had with him.

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why does everyone apparently scumread kill? He's playing the same as the last town game I had with him.

I think it is a double edged sword kind of play.
On the townie side, he listens and is active in the game. He seems to want to keep the game on track and keeps conversation flowing. Although he did break up my fight with beeboy.

In the mafia side, he is in a position of directing the movement of the game. This means that he does not not have to have an opinion as long as he can filter in our opinions.

So it can be seen from both angle.s

so do you have any evidence of directing the movement of the game in an anti-town fashion? Because you literally just said he's keeping the game on track. Unless you're saying directing the town in any fashion is anti-town.

why does everyone apparently scumread kill? He's playing the same as the last town game I had with him.

I have no meta with kill so I don't actually care about this.

meta doesn't stop being relevant because you don't have it with one person. It's like saying pancakes don't exist because you've never been to a particular ihop.

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Not necessarily I am rather saying that being the one in control is a good hiding spot for scum. Just something worth considering.

I disagree with your pancakes comment because meta is different. While I know pancakes exist, I would rather not like to compare the pancakes i make in my kitchen to the ones at a restaurant. As your opinion of them is heavily based on how you feel at the moment and because the recipe can be easily changed to satisfy a new customer.

1. Well until you actually see someone directing the town in an anti-town way, it's kinda unreasonable to scum read someone based on the possibility that that might be the case.

2. k

[Nosferatu]

Too many people prefer Shiro.
And anytime the majority agree on something, in mafia, they are WRONG!
Except maybe townreads...thats like 40/60 or something.

We have better shot at people we are like "I am not sure on"

VOTE: Diefire

What the fuck is this

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: Dierfire

[Nosferatu]

I'll post when it's not 2AM

[Nosferatu]

dunno if I want to lynch Dier or Klingon

[Nosferatu]

your tone in your posts ping me

[Nosferatu]

It got busy here at Grand Central, but finally here's the list. I modified it a bit. Nosferatu's up, Firebringer's down. Shiro's Null-ish.

TOWN
Alchemist21 - Paying attention, calling out stuff as he sees it.

Beeboy - His thought processes are similar to mine.

Persivul - His scumgame is horrible. He's not playing baly, therefore he's nearly confirmed Town.

Nosferatu - Tunnel on SirCakes was good.

NULL
BBmolla - Lurking and tiny posts always bug me. The tiny posts aren't horrible, at least, but this could end up being a policy lynch down the road.

Dierfire - Obviously engaging other posters, generating content, keeping the game going. Not necessarily Alignment Indicative, though, I've seen Scum do it. I don't know Dier well enough.

Suzune - Her Town and Scum games are good enough that I can't sort her yet.

Shiro - Fluffy. More policy lynch material.

SCUM
Firebringer - The tunnel on Window Attack was... unfortunate. I find myself at odds with his post 277 reads list too. It looks like he's just throwing suspects out there to see what sticks.

Killthestory - I'm seeing a lot of Wanting To Be Town Leader here. I see that a lot from Scum.

>tunnel on sircakez was good

F A M
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[Nosferatu]

Okay, more than an hour.

Reads List:
TOWN
Alchemist21
Beeboy
Firebringer
Persivul

NULL
BBmolla
Dierfire
Nosferatu
Suzune

SCUM
Killthestory
Shiro


Discuss.

I'll lynch you Kill.


I am waiting for a shiro lynch imo

An Alchemist lynch is my 2nd choice.

It got busy here at Grand Central, but finally here's the list. I modified it a bit. Nosferatu's up, Firebringer's down. Shiro's Null-ish.

TOWN
Alchemist21 - Paying attention, calling out stuff as he sees it.

Beeboy - His thought processes are similar to mine.

Persivul - His scumgame is horrible. He's not playing baly, therefore he's nearly confirmed Town.

Nosferatu - Tunnel on SirCakes was good.

NULL
BBmolla - Lurking and tiny posts always bug me. The tiny posts aren't horrible, at least, but this could end up being a policy lynch down the road.

Dierfire - Obviously engaging other posters, generating content, keeping the game going. Not necessarily Alignment Indicative, though, I've seen Scum do it. I don't know Dier well enough.

Suzune - Her Town and Scum games are good enough that I can't sort her yet.

Shiro - Fluffy. More policy lynch material.

SCUM
Firebringer - The tunnel on Window Attack was... unfortunate. I find myself at odds with his post 277 reads list too. It looks like he's just throwing suspects out there to see what sticks.

Killthestory - I'm seeing a lot of Wanting To Be Town Leader here. I see that a lot from Scum.

I'll lynch you Kill.


I am waiting for a shiro lynch imo

An Alchemist lynch is my 2nd choice.

It got busy here at Grand Central, but finally here's the list. I modified it a bit. Nosferatu's up, Firebringer's down. Shiro's Null-ish.

TOWN
Alchemist21 - Paying attention, calling out stuff as he sees it.

NULL
Shiro - Fluffy. More policy lynch material.

.

Good to know your 1St Choice for lynxh is a null Pl and your 2ND choice your top townread.

Can we lynch her now?

I believe I said that I modified my list.

Are you suggesting that reads can't change during the game? Because they can, you know. They should.

You went from town to lynch to town again?

[Nosferatu]

tfw I just now realize my name has been spelled wrong in every VC.

[Nosferatu]

You went from town to lynch to town again?

I had Alch as Town, yes.

Then he said something that pinged. Now Alch is a clever player, so when I saw it I thought 'oh, he's actually Scum!' When I re-read his ISO, though, I realized that I misunderstood what he was saying. So he's back to Town. Very solidly, I might add.

what did he say that pinged you?

[Nosferatu]

kling answer muh questions before I vote yeh

[Nosferatu]

You went from town to lynch to town again?

I had Alch as Town, yes.

Then he said something that pinged. Now Alch is a clever player, so when I saw it I thought 'oh, he's actually Scum!' When I re-read his ISO, though, I realized that I misunderstood what he was saying. So he's back to Town. Very solidly, I might add.

what did he say that pinged you?

TWO prod dodges, that started over Easter weekend while I was heavily distracted with R/L here in Grand Central. Remember that I was V/LA at the time of the first prodge.

So I come back, I'm skimming through to catch up, and I see TWO prod dodges. Whenever I see that, I automatically decide that the party in question is Scum, because the only Townies that do that are trolls.

A different day, another read-through and many cups of coffee later I put him back in the Town pile. The two prodges aren't a good look, but everything else looks very Townish to me.

:I

[Nosferatu]

aggressively null people
should be lynched

[Nosferatu]

when a person is aggressively null
it's usually for a reason

[Nosferatu]

aggressively null people
should be lynched

what makes someone aggressively null. I like this idea.

I didn't coin the term here
but I assume it to be
people that are null
after way too many posts

Can someone explain to me why null people are scummier than scummy people?

if you can read through
more than two days
of posting
and they're still null
they're probably
scum

[Nosferatu]

wowie that was sudden

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Shiro

wtf was this about pip?

[Nosferatu]

nvm I forgot you declared intent before

[Nosferatu]

I didn't. I was too lazy.

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Nosferatu

Laziness aside, although that did irk me that he would not protest to help the town...I think this might be a good choice today. Nosferatu as gotten by most of the game without having to give their opinion on anything just posting in to question everyone else.

Well I mean I was like: "I gotta help muh fellow townies" but then I was like

well then what do I pick

and I was like "well which one was suggested in the thread" but there wasn't one and I was like

well let me think about which one is best

but by then I had already thought too much so I put it off 'til later and just forgot about it.

and like I'm not gonna really generate a ton of content about it but could you give a readlist? You haven't done one this game.

[Nosferatu]

dreaming of forum mafia games is a sign of unhealthy addiction

[Nosferatu]

why are you scumreading dier

[Nosferatu]

also I'm obligated to ask if you actually think me and sircakez was SvS

[Nosferatu]

when did he stick his neck out for me?

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Dierfire

still waiting for suz's explanation of her scum read on dier.

[Nosferatu]

I just finished a scumgame with pers on my team and tonally they don't read the same here.

[Nosferatu]

I think the point is that Kling wasn't online yet.

[Nosferatu]

I'm down for whatever.

[Nosferatu]

I feel like it's between Ranger and itlepip because I'm still townreading persivul for tone :v

[Nosferatu]

I feel like it's between Ranger and itlepip because I'm still townreading persivul for tone :v

Just sayin