Mini 1774: Formation of America's Mafiascum - Perfect Town W

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Dierfire
Fire is red. Redcoat confirmed.

What about me?
My name starts with fire!!!

VOTE: Firebringer

HOW DARE YOU BBMOLLA! I THOUGHT WE WERE FELLOW SOLDIERS FOR THE BRITISH CROWN!

Total scumclaim gaiz.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Alchemist21]

Also, I take it we won't see the protest options until the Night Phase?

[Alchemist21]

Wait, the scum actually picked who to make hated? I thought that was randomized.

[Alchemist21]

this game would have been so much better if it were Mini 1776 instead of 1774.

VOTE: beeboy

Also this. The idea came up because it was meant to be 1776. Not sure what happened.

[Alchemist21]

Can you honestly not roleplay or be silly in general?

I honestly think this looks like his scumplay. Town firebringer is capable of trying.

Page 1 is trash. Only thing I want to say is hi Alchemist, long time since we last played!

Hey wgeurts. I think I need to brush the dust off Poker Mafia and get that in the queue soon.

[Alchemist21]

I honestly think this looks like his scumplay. Town firebringer is capable of trying.

Really you think so? I get the impression from all my games with him that this is his general face of the game. Playful. It seems to be scummy and townie. Or at least I have lynched him for it when he was both town and scum.

Oh he's always playful. But I think you can always see some actual thought in his posts. I've always been able to read him as Town in our Town games together (and he was usually killed N1) and when we were scum together he got lynched within 12 pages iirc.

[Alchemist21]

I honestly think this looks like his scumplay. Town firebringer is capable of trying.

OMG Alchemist!
How much did those limey traitorous yankees offer you to switch sides?!?!?!?!

I THOUGHT YOU WERE A BRITISH LOYALIST!

They put a tax on my tea and sugar. That's a damn good way to piss me off.

[Alchemist21]

*insert OMGUS of Firebringer here*

Anyway, SirCake rushing to aid me so quickly is noted as a later possible associative. Also Alchemist, forget the sugar; milk or no?

Yes to the milk.

[Alchemist21]

They put a tax on my tea and sugar. That's a damn good way to piss me off.

Okay, I forgive you.
Lets work together to change the system from within, alright?

That's part of the problem. There is no within. They levy these taxes and give us no seat in Parliament.

[Alchemist21]

I think Window's Towny too. I also like Persivul for Town, but because of his comment on the protest choices and not his vote oversight.

[Alchemist21]

I'm suspicious of 114. It feels calculated to me and I would definitely like BBmolla to elaborate.

Window's posts after putting Firebringer at L-1 were absolute garbage and his lack of worry about an accidental hammer is questionable as fuck

I'm confused here. Window had nothing to do with the Firebringer L-1/not L-1 thing.

[Alchemist21]

Slight Townread on Suzune now. Her thoughts on me are normal for a Townie who doesn't know me, though I don't see what was wrong with bringing up the protests. I like understanding the setups when I play and I wanted some clarity there.

[Alchemist21]

Lol No.

[Alchemist21]

We are, but I'm still scumreading you.

[Alchemist21]

I don't remember Beeboy sheeping this much early game, but my games with beeboy are few and far between. Regardless of Fire's alignment he's probably telling the truth about Beeboy, so Beeboy's probably town in that regard.

@KTS, what didn't you like about Dier?

[Alchemist21]

Well, it makes Beeboy more null than Town, but I still wouldn't scumread him based on Fire's comment on Beeboy.

[Alchemist21]

Okay now very happy with my vote on kill. After attacking he suddenly goes hyper defensive and starts making some awful attempt at disrepping our slot. I was the first to be pushing nos as Nos has kindly pointed out. He hasn't been scum-hunting, instead of trying to get an explanation from beeboy he just wants him lynched. Town should try and interact with their reads to get more information, scum tend to not really care. Him saying he didn't defend us is also a blatant lie as him telling FB to stop tunneling was literally getting FB to stop attacking us. You don't tell someone to stop tunneling if you don't have a read on the person getting tunnelled. That post reeks of being forced and fake, the whole vibe is overconfident and generally seems to be scum motivated.

Nos, give me your top three town and scum reads gun to head please.
~wgeurts

I don't like this. Surely you've seen the type of player that wants their scumread lynched and doesn't care what their scumreads have to say? Fire straight up said he was going to spam the thread and when he did Kill told him to stop. This feels like you're trying to take her playstyle and make it look scummy.

VOTE: Window Attack

[Alchemist21]

Firebringer looks really Town in the last couple of pages. I also don't like Window saying there's no case on him when Fire actually stated multiple times why he's scumreading him and I gave my reason for voting him as well.

[Alchemist21]

I don't like how quickly the Persivul wagon popped up. It's way top knee-jerk for something that's not really scummy and half the votes aren't even scumreading the slot, they're just sheeping/adding pressure. SirCakez' vote I hate the most. (At least Fire is doing that weird pseudo-hydra thing with Shiro).

[Alchemist21]

Alch why do you hate my Persivul vote? What's wrong with adding pressure to a slot doing nothing?

Because it's on a slot you're not scumreading and only came after 3 other votes for something that's not even scummy. Your vote looked like a scummy hop onto a fast-rising bandwagon.

[Alchemist21]

Urgh Kill might just be really bad town. His reaction to the fake dayvig was pretty town. I can't get any traction on Now which is annoying as hell so I'll gogo Persivul wagon since I want to sort him and he's not doing anything.
VOTE: Persivul

Alch why do you hate my Persivul vote? What's wrong with adding pressure to a slot doing nothing?

I'm looking, and I don't see the term "scum" anywhere. Now it looks like you're backtracking.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Alchemist21]

Why not?

[Alchemist21]

Urgh Kill might just be really bad town. His reaction to the fake dayvig was pretty town. I can't get any traction on Now which is annoying as hell so I'll gogo Persivul wagon since I want to sort him and he's not doing anything.
VOTE: Persivul

Alch why do you hate my Persivul vote? What's wrong with adding pressure to a slot doing nothing?

I'm looking, and I don't see the term "scum" anywhere. Now it looks like you're backtracking.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes I didn't explicitly say I was null scumreading him but it was heavily implied. I'm not going to say "I'm scumreading this person!" every time I vote someone, that's just common sense.

Your posts imply a dead null read, and you were the 4th vote on a wagon you weren't scumreading. When I called you on it,

then and only then

did you give some indication of a scumread on the slot.

[Alchemist21]

Urgh Kill might just be really bad town. His reaction to the fake dayvig was pretty town. I can't get any traction on Now which is annoying as hell so I'll gogo Persivul wagon since I want to sort him and he's not doing anything.
VOTE: Persivul

This is not something you say about someone you're scumreading; it's something you say about someone you have no read on.

Anyone else wanna give their opinion on Cakez here? It's pointless for me to keep arguing with him about why he's scum so I'd rather talk with some other people about it now.

[Alchemist21]

Seeing the past couple of pages makes me even more confident in my Cakez vote.

[Alchemist21]

Not seems more scummy to me than town with that latest outburst Kling, don't see your point in that.
@Alchemist why you like your Cakez vote some much? He has literally not done much to ping me either way hard. He is kinda just present but not doing much imo.
@Molla Push the widow wagon more bro.

@Beeboy, I don't trust you at all. Shiro can accept you with open arms but I consider you in my top 3 scum right now.

He really hasn't done much, but he keeps acting like he has and has picked at others for not doing much. Nos showed how his posts were full of fluff, and I showed how he backtracked on the reason for his Persivul vote. I don't know how you can't see how scummy Cakez is.

[Alchemist21]

No, but you probably are.

[Alchemist21]

@Persivul, Cakez already claimed VT so you can hammer.

[Alchemist21]

I didn't realize KTS moved her vote. KTS why did you leave the wagon?

[Alchemist21]

Now she's back.

[Alchemist21]

Where was the Window Attack softclaim? Something like that is the only real reason I see WA being killed last night given how many were willing to lynch them.

[Alchemist21]

Prod dodge while I read back through stuff.

[Alchemist21]

Does anyone know the current votecount?

There's 3 on Kling and 2 on Shiro if I counted right.

I could vote for either Klingon or Shiro, leaning more towards Shiro. There's an outside chance Dierfire is scum, and an even further outside chance of Molla scum, but both those are more null to me.

Everyone else I think is some level of Town.

VOTE: Shiro

[Alchemist21]

Okay, more than an hour.

Reads List:
TOWN
Alchemist21
Beeboy
Firebringer
Persivul

NULL
BBmolla
Dierfire
Nosferatu
Suzune

SCUM
Killthestory
Shiro


Discuss.

I could go for a Dierfire wagon.
WHO ELSE WANTS TO DO THAT!?!?!?

I could, but prefer Shiro/Kling wagons.

[Alchemist21]

I didn't realize Dier was in Shiro.

If Shiro's scum Dier is more likely to be Town.

If Shiro's Town we're probably looking at a Klingon/Dier team.

[Alchemist21]

Don't you see us on the wagon together?

[Alchemist21]

Prod dodge

[Alchemist21]

This game feels like it hit a major dead end or something. People are actually discussing policy lynches because lol(?). Kling's readslist is the only thing really noteworthy that's happened in the past 4 rl days. I'd like us to end this Day soon if the slow trend keeps up.

That reads list looks like it comes from a Town Klingon, but it still doesn't bump her out of my lynchpool.

Shiro and Kling were both on the counterwagon to Cakez, and if I went by that alone I'd be voting Kling first, but it was how easily Shiro joined that Kling wagon early on today that tips my preference to Shiro.

Dier's vote on Cakez looks kinda like a bus vote to me and some of his posts remind me of my own scum game. The more I think about that slot the more I think it's likely scum. The catch is that I can see him being scum with Kling but not with Shiro since it means he's bussing D1 and D2.

If Shiro's scum, the other two are off the table for me. If she's Town, I'd be looking specifically at those two.

[Alchemist21]

does someone want to kick start this game?

*donates $10*

[Alchemist21]

KTS your new avatar keeps making me think you're wgeurts because he used to have a Ghandi avatar.

[Alchemist21]

Hey Pip.

[Alchemist21]

Cakez flipped scum.

[Alchemist21]

That's the slot you replaced.

[Alchemist21]

Well that's just plain confusing.

[Alchemist21]

Vote Shiro for great justice.

[Alchemist21]

We have less than a day and a half to lynch someone.

[Alchemist21]

I've received no information that gives me any further insight into the alignments of Suzune and Firebringer.

I don't trust you. So clearly I did not send stuff to you. I sent it to the FullMetal.

Is it ok for me to say what I got? As far as I know it doesn't do anything, but it's not the same object you gave firebringer and you've implied it's a bad idea for scum to get these things.

Following up from yesterday,
VOTE: Klingon

I'd also like to know what protests everyone voted for last night. I went with the no taxation without representation because we never discussed protest choices yesterday so I fell back to Firebringer's suggestion since I figured he go there and I wanted a protest to have a reasonable chance of going through (I haven't checked the rules on what happens if there's a tie for protests).

[Alchemist21]

^Also the protest revealed by Shiro's flip should be saved for a time when it's crucial that a Town power role isn't blocked.

[Alchemist21]

Oh, ok I see.

[Alchemist21]

^Ok, tonight the three of us should vote for that protest then.

[Alchemist21]

Yes, now I see.

[Alchemist21]

Hold up, the mod just PM'd me that they're already usable without the need for a protest.

[Alchemist21]

Ok, glad that's cleared up. Lol

[Alchemist21]

Nos what did you vote for last night?

[Alchemist21]

Holy shit we can stop NKs!

Roleblocks. We can stop roleblocks. Hopefully that leads to stopping NKs.

No, last night's protest stopped the Night Kill. Speaking of which, which protest did you vote for last night?

[Alchemist21]

You too KTS, what protest did you choose?

[Alchemist21]

Yeah, what's wrong with Ranger? Also, what protest did you vote for, Fire?

@Ranger, when you see this can you tell me what protest, if any, Beeboy voted for last night?

[Alchemist21]

Ok, now I just need

Beeboy

Ranger and Persivul to claim their protests and I'll have everyone's.

To answer Pip's question:

I think Klingon and Dier are scum. You are null. Looking back I can't remember why I was Townreading KTS unless it was for being on the Cakez wagon, so I'd put her back to null as well. Everyone else I think is Town.

[Alchemist21]

when did he stick his neck out for me?

I guess that is not quite what this is, but it just falls flat. Looks like a lot of effort then it just burns out, something to be looked at in my opinion. post 419

I think you're misreading that post. Cakez' comments are arguing with Nos, not defending him. He was one of the primary pushers of the Cakez lynch so I doubt he's scum.

[Alchemist21]

I protested quartering ftr.

Actually scratch that null on pip. If this is true Pip is probably Town since I don't think scum would have voted for the loss of their JK.

[Alchemist21]

Btw Ranger, at this point it's ok if you don't get an answer on what Beeboy voted, as at worst it would have tied the vote with Taxation and I would have had to assume Taxation won through RNG.

For people who were wondering why I was interested in the protest votes, I think No Quartering was something Town could have voted for but scum would have never voted for, and was hoping that scum players would claim voting for it for towncred. I was hoping that would lead to a discrepency between the claimed protests and what actually won, and we could have a greatly reduced lynchpool where we knew there was a false claim.

Unfortunately that didn't happen. In retrospect I probably should have suggested scum wouldn't vote no quartering when I first asked for claims to incentivize scum to lie. At least now I can reasonably say Pip is Town because of this.

[Alchemist21]

511 was a scum hammer, too.

Why is this a scumhammer?

[Alchemist21]

Why is this a scumhammer?

Because it was painfully obvious that SirCakez was going down that day, and he was hoping to earn some town credit for being the hammer vote.

I have seen this behavior from Persivul before. Namely, post 1192 here.

Ok, I see what you're saying.

[Alchemist21]

Is Dierfire one of your confTown, and if so why?

[Alchemist21]

Btw Ranger, at this point it's ok if you don't get an answer on what Beeboy voted, as at worst it would have tied the vote with Taxation and I would have had to assume Taxation won through RNG.

For people who were wondering why I was interested in the protest votes, I think No Quartering was something Town could have voted for but scum would have never voted for, and was hoping that scum players would claim voting for it for towncred. I was hoping that would lead to a discrepency between the claimed protests and what actually won, and we could have a greatly reduced lynchpool where we knew there was a false claim.

Unfortunately that didn't happen. In retrospect I probably should have suggested scum wouldn't vote no quartering when I first asked for claims to incentivize scum to lie. At least now I can reasonably say Pip is Town because of this.

What did everyone vote for?

I was gonna answer this, but Nahdia's role stuff could be inferred from telling this, so I'm not going to. I've already posted any relevant details you need to know.

[Alchemist21]

I was hoping we would take the time to learn from yesterday and discuss/coordinate protest votes before ending the Day.

I'm probably voting for No Quartering tonight unless someone has a better idea. I think tonight would be a good night to use it.

[Alchemist21]

@Firebringer, what do you think?

[Alchemist21]

I will explain tomorrow.

what if you do not live long enough to explain tomorrow? Won't that effect the action itself. Sorry, popped into my mind. Otherwise it has been a kind of successful twilight.

And suddenly that part of my sig becomes more relevant than ever before. Lol

[Alchemist21]

Firebringer why didn't you shoot him last night? If Kling flipped scum I was gonna sheep and kill Persivul with my gun, but since you were scumreading him I figured you were going to shoot him so I shot my personal suspect and kill Dierfire.

VOTE: Persivul

[Alchemist21]

My reads were so god damn awful this game. Luckily rest of town hard carried me.
Sorry Persivul, I don't know what the town was doing putting you at L-1 so fast.
I guess I shouldn't have started the vote, but w/e.

Sorry about that. I didn't realize I was putting him at L-1 when I voted him. Good shot on pip though!

Sorry, Persivul.

itlepip did an excellent job of making himself look town. In particular, his hammer after having previously defended Klingoncelt and Klingoncelt claimed VT screamed, "I am a role who knows Klingoncelt is

not

a vanilla townie"; I thought that was a brilliant move on his part.

I was actually convinced that coming into the next day, I was going to be mislynched.

I was gonna vote Pip today before anyone else since he was the last one in my not-Town pile. After your case on Klingon I don't think you should have ever been lynched (and if I didn't think Fire was going to shoot Persivul anyway I was going to sheep you and shoot him if Kling flipped scum).

[Alchemist21]

Also a "Game Over" PM would have been nice.

[Alchemist21]

thanks guys. it was my shot.

anyway, my reads were pretty damn good this game. im gonna be honest. however, i do feel bad for deathtunneling Kling, and I would have felt worse had he been town. sorry kling.

So firebringer never used his gun?

Seriously though, good shot.

[Alchemist21]

What would the other protests have done? It's a cool mechanic but I think it made things a little Town sided because it seemed no matter what the protest was it always helped Town (except the time it stopped Fire's shot, but even then it also stopped the mafia's kill).

[Alchemist21]

Happy birthday, KTS!