Mini 1772 ~ Game Over

[lovelygiant]

VOTE: BlueTrin

Name says blue, but it supports the Red. Cannot be trusted.

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Hello

Since only FA knows me well, I would like to introduce myself: I'm CRAZY, and I can prove it...

VOTE: Almost

Are you all convinced now?? I bet you never saw this one before.

I'm not convinced. I'm the self-vote queen, and I've managed to use it strategically pretty often.

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VOTE: Almost

Okay

you should unvote. I think he's a jester

There's no Jester possible in this setup. Re-read the rules posts.

You shouldn't advise others' voting with incorrect info.

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I'm not convinced. I'm the self-vote queen, and I've managed to use it strategically pretty often.

Oh wow is that who I'm voting? Uses the self-vote "strategically"? Ugh. Can we get a dayvig here please.

It's come in handy before. Depends heavily on the game setup.

[lovelygiant]

shoot lovely giant x 2

(the second shot is in case he is a BP)

The vig this game is a night vig. Didn't I just tell you to learn the set-up?

HURT: GuyFawkes

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hurt me, daddy.

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So lovely giant is scum

Should we give everybody else a chance to play or just lynch him now?

Certainly not the first time I've been deemed scum for correcting someone's repeated errors. Let the salt flow through you.

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shoot lovely giant x 2

(the second shot is in case he is a BP)

Come to think of it, there's also no BP. So I have to assume you were joking? Didn't translate.

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VOTE: GuyFawkes

- advises player to remove a vote based on untrue info
- fakes dayvig shot
- claims I'm scum, invites others to lynch me, safely doesn't place vote. testing waters.

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HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant
HURT: lovelygiant

I feel confused, is never explaining your actions the new meta? I need to study.

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it's like I'm playing against an entire roster of KainTepes

kill me please

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is it too late to /out

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So lovely giant is scum

Should we give everybody else a chance to play or just lynch him now?

We can lynch him so he can be out ?

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This thread reminded me of it on its own. The worst part is that the account is a troll account created by a very (arguably) sane individual who knows how to type normally. Just a shitposting joke account.

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^ @Almost

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Gale--is your vote for Blue a real vote? What makes him your top scumread?

@Gale: Leaning scum on GF, thus my vote remains on him.

If troll posts are not enough reason to be voting someone, how is your vote on BlueTrin different?

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So far, I like anyone who's not trying to perpetuate RVS and trolly unhelpful nonsense.

My vote stays comfortably in place for now.

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I appreciate your activity, Gale, but a lot of it seems flippant. Are the answers you recieve from your questions actually helping you with your reads, or are you asking them to just look busy and helpful?

Guy hasn't shown anything I've needed to ask about. I'm not parking my vote. It'll change when he does.

I actually think I like Lowell. FA as well. Towny vibes thus far.

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There is a reason I don't like rvs. It just doesn't do much for me.

For eg, I personally think GWS reaction is null tell.

I agree with the first half of this post. I don't see much scum motivation for making an effort to move away from a time sink of a voting period. Speaking out against that is good. +1

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I guess GWS is going to double-down on that try-hard thing by trying even harder to look like an active player. Whatever. There are worse things, I guess, but I'm not sold.

I like FA for town. Mostly. And dislike that guy (I forget who) who felt the need to give a treatise on why he doesn't like RVS. Dumb.

Can I ask why WRT that last statement?

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So far, I like anyone who's not trying to perpetuate RVS and trolly unhelpful nonsense.

My vote stays comfortably in place for now.

oh I disagree. my "trolling" was very helpful nonsense.

It exposed you as scum.

Anybody that wasn't looking to make a BS case (ie town) took it for what it was. Only scum (ie you) would try to get somebody lynched for it.

I feel very unexposed. Sorry.

There's a difference between RVS and baiting. What you did was spread misinformation, wait for someone to correct you, and then claim they're scum for correcting you. You instigated. Your every response screamed predetermined, as if it didn't matter WHO was going to correct you. Bam, they're scum for it.

You're just looking for a lynch and I don't care for it.

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I actually dig your question, Almost50. I often put out hypothetical vig shots.

I'd be shooting between Terminator or Creature. First one's obvious, second one hasn't posted much out of RVS. When a player drops off after RVS, it worries me, and looks like they aren't ready to post relevantly in the game.

If I were the vig though, and only had these 5 pages to work with, having to shoot right now, I'd probably just save my stock.

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guy is town. GWS is scum. That last post was an obvious try-hard.

I had the complete vise versa read.

why an attempt to end RVS is scummy move and a guy who responded I'm not trolling I' just keeping the game in RVS is town?

I find FA and Lowell towny despite their polarizing opinions here. FA speaks from a place of genuine concern IMO, and shows real curiosity. Town read. Lowell has been somewhat commanding but calls out GWS' try-hardiness first (if I'm remembering correctly) and I like that.

Which reminds me, I wanted to ask Lowell: Why is Guy a town-read for you? Am I missing something?

@BlueTrin: I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Am I not supposed to find two people scummy at the same time? There is more than one mafia.

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I appreciate your activity, Gale, but a lot of it seems flippant. Are the answers you recieve from your questions actually helping you with your reads, or are you asking them to just look busy and helpful?

Guy hasn't shown anything I've needed to ask about. I'm not parking my vote. It'll change when he does.

I actually think I like Lowell. FA as well. Towny vibes thus far.

So far, I like anyone who's not trying to perpetuate RVS and trolly unhelpful nonsense.

My vote stays comfortably in place for now.

oh I disagree. my "trolling" was very helpful nonsense.

It exposed you as scum.

Anybody that wasn't looking to make a BS case (ie town) took it for what it was. Only scum (ie you) would try to get somebody lynched for it.

I feel very unexposed. Sorry.

There's a difference between RVS and baiting. What you did was spread misinformation, wait for someone to correct you, and then claim they're scum for correcting you. You instigated. Your every response screamed predetermined, as if it didn't matter WHO was going to correct you. Bam, they're scum for it.

You're just looking for a lynch and I don't care for it.

Don't act like I haven't answered you, Gale.

VOTE: Gale

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To explain my vote switch: Lowell seems honest in his townread of Guy. If one flips mafia I'll be looking at the other, but I'm not going to let Gale paint me as evasive when I've justified my suspicion. That doesn't sit well. It may be the case that I've misread Guy, and that would be convenient for Gale to hop onto. Yet he's abandoned that wagon in false pursuit of me.

What makes Guy and BlueTrin's RVS "trolling" so different that you suspect one and not the other, Gale?

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@BlueTrin:
I didn't like Guy's response to

me

, not Gale.

And I'm backing off of my Guy read because I'm getting cold feet and thinking I've prejudged. Gale is appearing scummier to me right now.

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To explain my vote switch: Lowell seems honest in his townread of Guy. If one flips mafia I'll be looking at the other, but I'm not going to let Gale paint me as evasive when I've justified my suspicion. That doesn't sit well. It may be the case that I've misread Guy, and that would be convenient for Gale to hop onto. Yet he's abandoned that wagon in false pursuit of me.

What makes Guy and BlueTrin's RVS "trolling" so different that you suspect one and not the other, Gale?

Don't try to call me out for not answering your questions and then ignoring mine, Gale.

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And I'm not convinced Guy is town because I think Lowell is town, though I definitely include it in consideration. I find Guy less scummy than you. I can only vote one at a time.

Entering a wisdom teeth/dentist appt, will hopefully post after but if I'm not feeling fantastic and take the day off, you'll know why.

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actual word vomit

please lynch this contrived narrative

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I'm back, and I'm sorry for my absence.

I've read and caught up, though there seems to be a lot of irrelevant noise so far.

Guy is much more likable outside of RVS. Lowell too. I think I got all Bitter Betty about their earlier posts for little reason. I don't see the suspicion on BlueTrin so far. Postie is null. Chilledtea seems town. Pista is null, but their posts have lacked content (Postie too, in that regard.) I don't find FA very memorable so far, may need to ISO them. The terminator/n_n slot is probably town. I've rarely seen mafia drop out, at least compared to VT slots. My vote on GWS stays, and while I can see them being overly paranoid town, I don't have a scummier lead yet. Almost50 is null but seems decently town-motivated. Dierfire reads as pure town (so far).

Most of these are gut/tone reads based on what I've seen. It's just where I stand for now and will probably change a lot.

I'll be back with some questions to help keep circulation pumping. I'll also field any you have for me, as I'm too lazy to go back and check for any I missed.

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i dunno, i like what he's had to say so far

I can't tell if the juxtaposition of chilledtea's first two posts with the next two where he claims to dislike early randomness is scummy or just bad. Maybe both!

I dislike Postie for asking about the point of the question before answering, and the way in which she asked. Showed her hand too quickly if she was really trying to reaction test, and ironically it comes off as if she's making a show of scumhunting in that whole exchange.

Almost50

, :)
Could you weigh in on a few things that has happened though?

This game is suffering from a lack of activity, and Lowell calls me out on being active, why do you guys think that it is not scummy is beyond me. *sigh*

Being correctly id'd as scum sure is annoying when you're trying harder than the town huh?

More seriously, I find you a little slimy for how self-aware/overly explanatory you are about certain things. e.g.

Okay, lets see now.

A) Your RVS vote was of no use.
B) I wanted to see where your head is at.
C) You seem to be fence sitting.

I think I can come back to BlueTrin later.

VOTE: Postie

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Its Interesting how things are developing.

VOTE: Lovelygiant

I actually found this post to be insightful. Almost50's immediate shutdown of this player was interesting, too. Combined with their self-lynch, they have been a strange player this game. Scratch my "town motivation" comment about Almost. I'd like a little explanation.

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I don't think an extension would really be necessary. 6 days is more than enough time to pick a decent D1 lynch.

Forgive me if I've missed it, but what's the actual reasoning for the wagon on chilledtea?

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Wow. That was a neat read.

Town vs town, boring, moving along.

I'll VOTE: Creature for now. I'm still looking at Gale for a future lynch, but I'm trying not to old their hopeful scumteam narratives against them. That seems like it's legitimately part of their play, and it's more scum hunting than I've seen from some folks.

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put your vote back on creature

we'll get that scumflip, have a dr. pepper, and then work from there

Sliding in that product placement like a woman of class and dignity!©

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Its giant - postie - AH

I'm drunk but hey don't say i didn't told you so

@postie Ice cream won't work. and WHO Said I'm bad at this game?

@lg oh class and dignity? I don't fucking care about them. I'm already dead twice. so yeah ... thats so for living people

Literally get over yourself, honey. If you're going to snap at anything that moves, you're the turtle we're gonna stand and laugh at when you're stuck flipped on your back. I don't help bitter babies.

Leave the thread. When you're sufficiently pacified, come back and try being useful instead of, you know, the least town motivated thing ever? (unnecessarily claiming, threatening to quit repeatedly, absorbing all Day discussion, making a big ole scene?)

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If there's one thing that gets under my skin, it's players ruining the game and not playing to their win con. It's unprofessional, immature, and a complete buzzkill. Get it together or get lost, to be honest.

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Hey, lovelygiant.

Wasn't you the one who assisted Frozen Angel's "emotional" quickhammer?

Okay, re-counting the votes, but I was sure I was hammered.

You look really bright right about now.
I didn't do it to assist FA's quick hammer (why the quotes? quit seeding weird suspicion, your tryhard is showing.)

I did it for the previously listed reasons by other players. AH summed it up best and I'm starting to see it. You're not helping yourself a whole lot either.

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Don't quickhammer or you're confirmed as the D2 lynch.

threatened and triggered

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as i said I'm drunk not a moron

are you about to pass this entire hissy fit off as a reaction test?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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I'm pretty sure FA is town here.

Didn't they claim? I don't understand the point of this.

VOTE: creature

this is very likely scum anyway

Let me get one thing straight: Creature IS the scummiest up until this very post I'm responding to, and if it stays this way until I'm all caught up I'm likely to vote "it" myself (nice pronoun)

However, I don't like the way either Postie or FA joined their wagon. I mean, there are times when you feel a vote could've been place more genuinely than this.

And how was my vote on Creature different? Genuinely wondering.

If we're about to lynch me, I'd advise you look into cheeky Gale who was way too thrilled to advantageously jump onto my wagon. I guess he doesn't have the foresight to see how scummy that's going to look. I'll be happy to at least prove his earlier flimsy theories wrong, though.

I don't care for how Postie appears to be coaching FA. She's a big girl. You're trying to look helpful. I still don't understand that weird townread you gave her. Isn't she uncounterclaimed macho tracker or am I forgetting?

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The assumption here, is everyone knew that creature was at L-2 when lg voted him. That is not the case.

Yeah, true. I still think the jump was pretty opportunistic though, L-2 or not.

I don't like Postie's flailing. She votes where others want her to. She jumps the GWS wagon for comfort (largest wagon at the time) and gives less than optimal reason (lynching TOWN!GWS is better than lynching TOWN!Crearure), then two posts later she yields to FA's pressure and decides to go against her own stated reason and votes Creature. OUCH!

Oh, yeah, my scumreads can change at the drop of a hat. That's really something I need to work on. I tend to be better at getting townreads, so I naturally end up relying on others' opinions more when it comes to who's scum.

Convenient trait to have if you're ever scum in need of some poorly time read switches. Almost50 had a point here; what specifically caused the 180 for you?

I had forgotten about that rule. That's a very good rule and I hope it ends up being there in every game.

Seconded.

@Anyone who thinks I was 'fanning the flames': I guess I was, to a degree. That kind of "poor me, I'm being bullied because someone disagrees with me" nonsense drives me up the wall, and scum or not, it twists the game into petty BS, as it did for several pages. If I'm wrong for being upset about that, I'll live with the guilt.

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Hope you got a good explanation.

VOTE: lovelygiant

As for Creature, my vote's still there for a reason. Hasn't felt bothered to denounce any reads against them, likely in light of other wagons snowballing, assuming they can play it safe. I'm unconvinced.

Retaliation vote does nothing for me.

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tbh I'm an awful woman ...

no need for coaching or anything.

NO be my guest

be upset with me I don't care!

I do feel obligated to make this statement: My anger is in the context of a mafia game, on a forum on the internet. I'm sure you're a wonderful person, and you probably deserve to have "lovely" in your username before someone as bitter as me. Please take nothing said personally. I would feel miserable with guilt if you had thought less of youself because of some grumps on the internet. For the sake of human compassion, have a virtual hug. <3

When I play mafia, I don't see people behind the roles. I pretend they're poorly programmed, unpredictable robots just trying their best.

So just be calm, be happy, and try your best, FA. And I'll tell you again when the game is done and over: Nothing here was meant personally.

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Bed time. If I'm hammered in my sleep, try to carry on the game with a degree of professionalism, objectivity, and courtesy. I realiE I've failed myself in those aspects at times; strive to do better.

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isn't it obvious that I don't give a shit about my town win condition if I'm really the one who is getting lynched?

yeah its against my win condition. report me after the game. I dare you.

I don't care about whether you played against your win condition, I want to understand Lowell post.

The way I read it lovely started bitching as soon as the "lynch" was achieved, blaming ppl for playing against wincon. How could he do this unless he knew the lynchee was town? Seems obvious, what am I missing?

I made the wincon comments toward FA. I don't know for a fact that they're town, but they are uncountered Macho Tracker, so that's the assumption I am/was operating under. And you go on to townread them in your next post, so what's your point here? I think they're pretty obvious town right now, and the wagon on them is a waste of time that's only been further supporting their innocence. Pretty weak thing to condemn me for.

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I'm not sure where people are getting that I know or even think Creature is town.
I'm considering Chilled to be pretty civilian at the moment. I don't understand the FA arguing whether she went against wincon when she admitted it literally one page back but okay. It's irrelevant to today's lynch anyway. Guy and Pista really should move their votes IMO.

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All the lurking this game is super annoying. GuyFawkes, Dierfire, Creature, and Lowell in particular all need to get their butts in here. If anyone is lurking because they have a power-role - don't. If you aren't a/the vig, then worst case scenario you get shot by a/the vig.

This feels like hollow "advice" that those players would already know. I'm sure you think you sound very helpful here.

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And it's interesting that you subtly propose that they might be PRs lurking before you offer up that they might be scum lurking.

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VOTE: FA

if she wants to be lynched I think we should oblige her

In other words: you don't want to place your vote on a real wagon.

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As far as lovelygiant being scum is concerned - I haven't seen what makes him scum.

Can you comment on the reasons that were brought up then?

I'll summarise them for you:

I think some of lovelygiant's posts were intentionally trying to escalate the earlier situation, so that's another reason why my vote is where it is right now.

Spoiler:

Its giant - postie - AH

I'm drunk but hey don't say i didn't told you so

@postie Ice cream won't work. and WHO Said I'm bad at this game?

@lg oh class and dignity? I don't fucking care about them. I'm already dead twice. so yeah ... thats so for living people

Literally get over yourself, honey. If you're going to snap at anything that moves, you're the turtle we're gonna stand and laugh at when you're stuck flipped on your back. I don't help bitter babies.

Leave the thread. When you're sufficiently pacified, come back and try being useful instead of, you know, the least town motivated thing ever? (unnecessarily claiming, threatening to quit repeatedly, absorbing all Day discussion, making a big ole scene?)

Don't quickhammer or you're confirmed as the D2 lynch.

threatened and triggered

as i said I'm drunk not a moron

are you about to pass this entire hissy fit off as a reaction test?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

His crocodile tears and theatrical accusations of people playing "against wincon" after (what appeared to be) the lynch make no sense unless he knows the person being lynched is town (and that the person DOING the lynching is town, for that matter).

And also his jump onto the Creature wagon looked opportunistic.

So let me get this straight: The reasoning for my lynch is my "theatrics" over FA's immeasurably more dramatic meltdown and subsequent unwarranted role claim. This coupled with my opportunistic lynch on Creature (everyone keeps calling it that but hasn't really explained what makes it so opportunistic?)

If that makes me the scummier player in the room to you, you're tunneling. Gale is still striking up meaningless busy filler convos about possible mirror roles when he could answer his own questions by reading the setup and asking the mod. Almost is trying to collect town cred by over and over claiming to know FA well enough instead of just providing the obvious reasoning FA SHOULD ALREADY be townread by all of you. Guy placing another trolly, empty RVS vote outside of RVS and contributing nothing. Creature hasn't given a real defense and is coasting on this day drama. But I'm the only conceivable lynch, aside from our uncountered Tracker, lmao.

I feel like I'm talking to a series of brick walls.

Chilled and BlueTrin seem genuine town right now. I'm still thinking Lowell is town. Almost probably is too and I'm overanalyzing them, but who knows.

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I... don't know how to feel about your pista case, Gale. It's the most relevant you've seemed, but I'm cautious because its intentions could seem distractionary.

How is AH scummy exactly, FA? I have a feeling you mostly just don't like what they've had to say. Their inactivity isn't much worse than my own, and I'm unaware of other reasons to suspect them.

Gale, you lose your conviction in your latest post and start waffling. Who do you really want lynched here?

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hmmm... I'm getting the feeling that GWS is just trying to divert attention away from lovely.

VOTE: lovelygiant

I actually got that vibe too, thus my "who do you really want to lynch?"

Although I struggle understanding how that would benefit him. Maybe to make me look dirty if he flips? Idk.

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I don't have a problem with the pista wagon, but moreso the timing of it.

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I'm not allowed to question a wagon that isn't me, I guess.

Hey N_M. Are you the bomb?