Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[iraonavp]

Extrapolated Eagle, can you summarize why you think Raskolnikov is scum-aligned?

I'm not sure why you seem to believe this.

Again: fluff, OMGUS and avoiding game/thread. The guy reads straight up fake.

Really, those things are not very alignment indicative. I struggle to see how you can develop such a strong read from such trivial things.

I see no reason why either alignment can post things like 59. I remember seeing something on the wiki saying that OMGUS was actually a slight town-aligned tell, but I can't find it again. I prefer not to think of things in that kind of way anyway. I'd say that I've avoided the thread too, and I'm town-aligned.

Your reads don't seem to be at all flexible, it's as if you decided who to tunnel in your first post.

[A Real Scourge]

VOTE: iraonavp

i like Klingon and Alchemist, and iraon is weirding me out. sorry i haven't been super engaged.

pedit: ehhh, everyone in the game has been avoiding the thread lmao, so yeah i don't think it's alignment indicative.

[Davsto]

VC 1.12

iraonavp (3): Alchemist21, Klingoncelt, A Real Scourge
A Real Scourge (2): Dream Man, AristoCow
Raskolnikov (2): kelbris, Extrapolated Eagle
shos (2): SnarkySnowman, Elsa and Anna
AristoCow (1): Raskolnikov
Klingoncelt (1): iraonavp
kelbris (1): beeboy
Elsa and Anna (1): shos

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch. Deadline in (expired on 2016-03-04 23:25:00).

[Elsa and Anna]

Eh, yeah.

VOTE: Aristocow

I still hate his play in a he's playing bad way but this doesn't have any of the awkward desperation to be liked/townread that triggered me to him in 1750.
He's a lot more self assured which feels sort of towny here. Not like 1750 where he was awkwardly derping all over the place.
This read became strengthened a significant amount by ~reasons~ that can't be disclosed but I'm fairly sure that Aristo's scum here.

[Elsa and Anna]

But seriously dude we're town. Vote Aristo with us.

[Elsa and Anna]

I strongly approve of Raskol's vote already being there for the record.

[Elsa and Anna]

Not like super townreading Shos for the record.
But I looked over his ISO and it wasn't quite like I had remembered it being.
Anyway, at the very least Aristo/Cow need to stop lurksaucing.

Getting stupid at this point.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Extrapolated Eagle, can you summarize why you think Raskolnikov is scum-aligned?

I'm not sure why you seem to believe this.

Again: fluff, OMGUS and avoiding game/thread. The guy reads straight up fake.

Really, those things are not very alignment indicative. I struggle to see how you can develop such a strong read from such trivial things.

I see no reason why either alignment can post things like 59. I remember seeing something on the wiki saying that OMGUS was actually a slight town-aligned tell, but I can't find it again. I prefer not to think of things in that kind of way anyway. I'd say that I've avoided the thread too, and I'm town-aligned.

Your reads don't seem to be at all flexible, it's as if you decided who to tunnel in your first post.

Wrong. Fluff is far more often coming from scum than town, as is commitment issues. Go read the wiki article on iioa and then ask yourself why scum would post analysis. Same reasoning behind just fluffing.

Omgus is also much more often from scum. Not talking about anything that says "oh this person is scum" after person voted them, I'm talking coming up with BS reasons to vote//push someone.

Go read YCBA if you don't believe me. Klingon horribad OMGUS have yet to see bad omgus from town in this site.

"Oh you have a read and it hasn't changed since the beginning of the day you're inflexible" is the most bs sentence I've heard in quite a while. Really? How is scum reading someone and then not having a town read on them appear put of nowhere a normal thing to do? Since when is "inflexible" even a freaking thing?

But I'll make a long case on him if you'd like. But this feels quite a bit like elyse in ycba imo

[Dream Man]

Greetings, all. I am the Dream Man.

I'll be taking the place of the user Holly and Sugar -- I am honored to have the pleasure of playing with all of you.

[Dream Man]

Dear Davsto,

Would you mind updating the original post with my replacement into the game, as well as add in the constituent names of the hydrae in this game? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

[Dream Man]

I've read about how one of the players in this game has the ability to be unlynchable and unkillable. Personally, I find that a little hard to believe. Perhaps it is conditional, or the invulnerability is only active for the first or second nights?

[Dream Man]

The current pages suggest to me that iraonavp is the best place for my vote. I follow Alchemist21's arguments and am inclined to agree with them.

Eagle, I have noticed your post 557. Would you mind explaining why you think that iraonavp is town? I'd like to understand how you can tolerate his protests to your Raskolnikov arguments. Have you ever considered that they're scum together?

[Dream Man]

VOTE: iraonavp

[Davsto]

Dear Davsto,

Would you mind updating the original post with my replacement into the game, as well as add in the constituent names of the hydrae in this game? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Done

[Alchemist21]

Up through Page 10. I initially missed Raskol lying about his meta knowledge of E&A. At this point I'd probably lynch him before I lynch Beeboy.

[Dream Man]

Hello Alchemist, nice to see you here.

Following my readthrough, I feel the most comfortable with you being town. Would you mind elaborating about Raskol lying about his meta knowledge? Also, pardon me if I've missed this, but you wish to lynch beeboy?

[shos]

Hey newguy

Get an avatar


Eagle I think you are reading waaaay too much into 'textbook' tells. These dont work, or at best, statistically work, and as a math guy, statistics lie.

[Alchemist21]

Has anyone seen RC or FA use AtE as scum before? Personally I'm pretty inexperienced with these players

Deathtunneling on someone because you don't like what they did a game before is absurd and I don't see why they would do this when they could have /out ed when seeing the playerlist. I think town RC would be more inclined to just ignore beeboy rather than make a big deal out of this, and I've heard of him using gambits like this (especially involving AtE) as scum for towncred. Furthermore since it's between RC and beeboy and I don't think FA is involved I don't know why FA would be fine with this if they were town, whereas if scum it makes sense for her to stay silent and let RC try this gambit.

The tldr is it's either really reckless townplay or a scum AtE play and I see the latter as more likely.

I wanted to see his reaction. I feel if he was town he would have addressed me directly rather than saying what he did.

I mean I could be wrong but you don't learn without making a few mistakes!

First he asks whether anyone knows the heads and if they use AtE as scum, claiming he doesn't know them well. Then just 4 posts later he's making claims about their meta and saying it was a reaction test. E&A and Scourge both noticed this when it happened and called him on it. I don't really buy it being a reaction test, and I've seen scum try to lie about their meta knowledge of someone before.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Beeboy

For trying to vote an Unlynchable claim and wasting his vote like that.

@Scourge, Why is Beeboy Towny to you? You are correct that I was trying to get into his mind to try to better understand him, and the biggest impression I got is that he seemed evasive in answering my questions (shos seems to be acting similarly to you here). The lesser impression I got was that he was trying to protect the E&A slot by not wanting to discuss it, and then tying its alignment to yours. From my POV, if either slot that voted me is scum, it's more likely E&A for how they immediately followed you after they were voting for you, and it's HIGHLY unlikely that you two are scum together as Beeboy suggested because it seems like a pretty bad move for scum to tie their votes like that.

If you have a problem with our vote on you why are you taking it up with everyone besides us?

It's more an issue of Beeboy's stance on the matter didn't pan out. He scumread scourge due to the vote but was hesitant to comment on your vote that immediately followed. I think if he was looking for scum intent, he'd see it more in your vote rather than Scourge's. I do think Beeboy flipping scum increases the chance that you are scum, but this is mainly because of how Beeboy behaved and not your actual vote.

All my reasons for wanting Beeboy lynched.

[Alchemist21]

{}
{Elsa and Anna, , Raskolnikov, Extrapolated Eagle}
{Iraonavp, AristoCow}
{Holly and Sugar, shos, Alchemist21}
{Klingoncelt, A Real Scourge}
{kelbris, SnarkySnowman, }

ok you don't get lynched today

This also makes me want to lynch Rask before Beeboy. It looks like Rask doesn't want Beeboy dead since Rask is at the top of his Townreads. This actually makes me start to doubt these two are scum together though.

[Alchemist21]

@Kelbris can I get an updated reads list from you?

@Aristocow, same for you. With reasons, please.

[Alchemist21]

I'd like a list from Dream Man too but it might be too early for him so I'm willing to let that go.

Those 3 people are still in my null pile, Ira, Rask, and Beeboy are in my scum pile, and everyone else is varying degrees of Town.

[Alchemist21]

Klingon doesn't seem the same as she did in YCBA, and hasn't seemed to lie about meta like she did in that game.

Scourge's wagon seems to source back to 181 which I don't see how people took that as scummy, and it's an agreeable post imo.

Eagle's playing the same way he did in YCBA, and he's using that as a reference for what he's looking for in scum in this game which indicates he's coming from a Town perspective.

Pretty sure I've explained all my other Townreads at some point.

[shos]

There's no way these two are scum together.

[Raskolnikov]

Prodging, lynch aristo or kelbris (maybe beeboy?) thanks.

Not much to say since till they come back.