Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

Hi! Nice to see you again!

[Klingoncelt]

To clarify - lynching me is the same as a no lynch, and night killing me is the same as a no kill. I only claim early because I know I often get mistaken for not town and I wanted to not be a distraction. By the same logic I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to be night killed anyway so

You're unlynchable and unkillable?

Sounds a little overpowered to me.

[Klingoncelt]

To clarify - lynching me is the same as a no lynch, and night killing me is the same as a no kill. I only claim early because I know I often get mistaken for not town and I wanted to not be a distraction. By the same logic I'm pretty sure I wasn't going to be night killed anyway so

You're unlynchable and unkillable?

Sounds a little overpowered to me.

VOTE: Snarky

I agree wouldn't hurt to try right?

If Jesters and Mafia Traitors hadn't stopped being a thing I'd say Snarky was one of those.

[Klingoncelt]

Has anyone seen RC or FA use AtE as scum before? Personally I'm pretty inexperienced with these players

Yes, I have.

They use it as Town, too.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, do you have a read on Elsa and Anna right now?

No, their antagonism towards Beeboy - and vice versa - clouds the read.

[Klingoncelt]

@SnarkySnowman,

are you a Treestump?

[Klingoncelt]

I am officially back from VLA. Will fully catch up and all tomorrow.

In a 9-page game you need time to fully catch up?

You rolled Scum, didn't you.

VOTE: Shos

sadz

[Klingoncelt]

@SnarkySnowman,

are you a Treestump?

Why you felt that you have the right to ask such a question?

Thats pure rolefishing ...

~Elsa

He already hinted at his role, aren't you reading the thread? He said he won't count among the living at endgame. Like a Treestump.

[Klingoncelt]

I am officially back from VLA. Will fully catch up and all tomorrow.

In a 9-page game you need time to fully catch up?

You rolled Scum, didn't you.

VOTE: Shos

sadz

mmmm... this seems a bit nitpicky. like, maybe shos just doesn't have time to do anything today?

Shos can easily handle 9 slow-moving pages. He's a good player.

[Klingoncelt]

Hi, this may be my last post of the game, potentially bye, but I'm appealing my ban because I don't feel two of the points were legitimate.

GL to FA if I don't make it!

FA

, will you be taking over the slot?

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like Klingoncelt's vote.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

You must be new.

[Klingoncelt]

@ira is Klingon your strongest scum read at the moment?

@Klingon is shos your strongest scum read at the moment? What happens if they start posting content soon? How will your read change?

If Shos gets involved, I might remove my vote. It depends on his level of involvement.

[Klingoncelt]

I didn't like her vote because it seemed like she was explicitly calling shos a liar for something arbitrary. I don't think that shos would be more or less involved as either alignment.

How many games have you played with Shos?

Do you know how many games I've played with Shos?

I think you're his Scumbuddy.

[Klingoncelt]

If Shos gets involved, I might remove my vote. It depends on his level of involvement.

Ok. Did you have any other reads right now?

Not yet. Iraonavp might be Scum...

I'll do some reads around 10pm eastern. (It's getting to be my busy time right now.)

[Klingoncelt]

Clef notices one SCP sorta just sleeping in a corner, so he shoots it.

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Hardly sporting of him. I shall have to snub him when we meet.

[Klingoncelt]

he might die to be a tree stump , or there might be another mechanics.

...

Yeah, but for a little while we'll have to sit back and see how the mechanic plays out. Right now I can't get any alignment fix on him.

[Klingoncelt]

- I just wanted that topic to stop.

whats the matter with this town and all the claims ...

Snarky if your full time bulletproof never claim. Kling shouldn't ask about clarifications if Snarky is a bulletproof or will change to tree stump without vote ...

- RC is not out of the game Ari ...

- when did he retract that mason claim alch?

To clarify, I'm not sure if he's a Treestump, a Traitor, a Jester, a Survivor, or something else Scummy/3rdParty.

[Klingoncelt]

Coming to the discussion again, and rethinking about this, whoever called the 'are you a treestump' question IS scummy for that. Snarky claimed deathproof, but he did not claim whether or not he had any other actions and all. This provoked a full claim that ONLY helped scum.

It was me. I'm thinking it's a fakeclaim.

[Klingoncelt]

Snarky, can you visit me?

Can anyone confirm that he visited me?

????

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I'm caught up for the day and so is Shos.

Anyone with a girlfriend that considers cutting his dick off over someone's alignment

has

to be Town.

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, considering my catchup, you still scumreading me and saying nothing about anything else bumps you up to 'of scumland' level.
This just adds to the fire.

So tell me love
Why am I scum?

See post 329. My read changed.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I'm caught up for the day and so is Shos.

Anyone with a girlfriend that considers cutting his dick off over someone's alignment

has

to be Town.

UNVOTE:

Are you implying here that it would be more painful for his girlfriend than it would be for him?

I don't know his girlfriend, but she seems like a lovely person from what I've heard. Anyway, I think that level of self-mutilation would definitely be more painful for the guy in a relationship.

[Klingoncelt]

@Eagle

- Shos' girlfriend is a reference from another (finished) game. She's a real person, and she's not me.

[Klingoncelt]

What do you mean by this?

Your a dead slot, he was trying to create a wagon on you.
Simple logic.

Why is Alchemist's slot dead?

[Klingoncelt]

Why is Alchemist's slot dead?

He hasn't been doing much.

He's not known as a prolific poster.

A slot is dead when the player hasn't posted in several days, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

Actually

VOTE: klingonceltVOTE:

You're being ridiculous. I'm Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Why though?

I didn't like her vote because it seemed like she was explicitly calling shos a liar for something arbitrary. I don't think that shos would be more or less involved as either alignment.

How many games have you played with Shos?

Do you know how many games I've played with Shos?

I think you're his Scumbuddy.

This is ridiculous.

I've played some games with Shos. I've played in games he's hosted.

No matter who the player is, though, not being able to keep up with 9 slow-moving pages is never a good look.

Your defense of him was therefore suspicious. Still is, actually, even though I'm now sure that he's Town.

Why did you defend Shos?

[Klingoncelt]

Still sure shos is scum and not sure why we're voting otherwise.

Case, please?

[Klingoncelt]

Still sure shos is scum and not sure why we're voting otherwise.

Case, please?

i dunno about Snarky, but you can ISO me and ctrl-f shos if you want to see why he's scum.

Sorry about taking so long to post, but anyhoo I'll do that today.

[Klingoncelt]

Why do you have a scum-aligned rolecard?

Your voting style, 5 votes in 25 posts, looks a little bit opportunistic. A lot opportunistic, actually. You're throwing votes around trying to see what sticks. You're earning Scum points that way.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I'm caught up for the day and so is Shos.

Anyone with a girlfriend that considers cutting his dick off over someone's alignment

has

to be Town.

UNVOTE:

Why did you defend shos?

Defend?

I sorted his alignment. Two different things.

[Klingoncelt]

464 is awful and chainsawy.

I agree.

I'm not liking Ari's coasting, it's not like them. Cow, yeah, I've seen him prodge his way through a game, but not Ari.

[Klingoncelt]

Here's a reads list, discuss:

TOWN
Extrapolated Eagle
Shos

LEAN TOWN
A Real Scourge
Elsa and Anna(Frozen Angel & Radiant Cowbells)
Holly and Sugar(Itlepip & kirroha)

NULL
Alchemist21
Raskolnikov
SnarkySnowman

LEAN SCUM
AristoCow(Aristophanes & TheCow hydra)
Beeboy

SCUM
Iraonavp
Kelbris

[Klingoncelt]

Here's a reads list, discuss:

TOWN
Extrapolated Eagle
Shos

LEAN TOWN
A Real Scourge
Elsa and Anna(Frozen Angel & Radiant Cowbells)
Holly and Sugar(Itlepip & kirroha)

NULL
Alchemist21
Raskolnikov
SnarkySnowman

LEAN SCUM
AristoCow(Aristophanes & TheCow hydra)
Beeboy

SCUM
Iraonavp
Kelbris

klingon, you seem to make a lot of reads based on meta, which is fine (and obviously not all of them are like that, considering you haven't played with everyone here)
i don't really have a problem with it, it's just not how i play. so it's hard for me to see some of your reasoning since i don't know the players (Aristocow, for example)

but, i agree with your list for the most part, and in the parts where i don't, i can see why you'd put a player there considering how you've presented your views so far. why is Holly and Sugar so high, though?

I just finished a hugely epic game with Itlepip, I got to know him (and the other players) pretty well. (Over 400 pages in a 6-Day game, not counting the Mod PT, Dead Thread, Neighborhood PT, Scum PT, and 12 Adventure PTs: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=64887 )

[Klingoncelt]

I don't even know how we got to this point. See, this is why I shouldn't answer bait questions, ARS.

Like I'm being backed into a corner here and Alchemist is accusing me of being scum-aligned because my playstyle is either hypocritical or I'm not trying hard enough and only town-aligned players give reasons for their vote like I just said, right? I swear to god he better not do what I expect him to do next.

You blatantly set me up Alchemist, with all of that "hmm ira looks a bit suspicious might wait to see what everyone else thinks before leading him by the nose into his own noose" bullshit. There was no fair way for me to honestly answer that question without looking terrible. If I had've given the other answer you would've found some other way to twist my words.

I'm not sure if I should vote you because you could actually be town-aligned, and even if you were scum-aligned it would just make me look worse. But I did see something coming from a mile away.

If I had made the above post I would be scumread so hard that players not in this game would leave their own games to come in here and vote for me.

The 5 votes in 24 posts looks opportunistic.

VOTE: Iraonavp

[Klingoncelt]

If I had made the above post I would be scumread so hard that players not in this game would leave their own games to come in here and vote for me.

There's something that is very wrong about this quote related to the implication that I'm being treated differently for some reason, but I'm not sure how to explain this.

My post was fine anyways.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

You aren't being treated differently, but the fact is that you

expect

to be treated differently by way of us allowing your bad posts and AtE to prevent your being voted.

Saying that Alchemist21 manipulated you into saying things that you didn't want to say was the big mistake. Not "a" big mistake, "the" big mistake. See, I've played some games with Alch too. He's a clever one, as Town vs Scum, he's great. He's dangerous as Scum vs Town too.

So, let's say you're today's lynch. You flip Scum it looks pretty good (but by no means confirmable) for Ank. You flip Town, Ank (or I) likely gets lynched tomorrow. Associatives have been established.

[Klingoncelt]

Like jesus fucking christ.
I'm super questioning our Klingon townread now because I had her pinned as obvtown in Saga Frontier when I was comparing games to get a read on her in 1750.
I mean she still does look town but I'm actually not sure if I can credibly make that judgement.
Klingon, what are your thoughts on Aristocow and ARS?

FTR I'm still leaning scum on ARS but there's better stuff to do.
Wish we could talk about Aristo more but 0 content from the slot and this is the same shit from Kelbris where he was a scumfuck then vanished.
Going to be really salty if either or both of them are scum and this lurky shit is tactical.

I have ARS as Lean Town and Aristocow as Lean Scum. Nothing super solid yet, mostly gut, but I hate AriCow's lack of presence.

The SaGa Frontier game was one of my very best. No, you can't trust me, or anyone else this early in the game. I am Town, but have no way to prove it at this point. PoE should clear me later, though. The mechanics of this game are different, not like the SC2 model I kept referring to in the SaGa game, if I were Scum I couldn't hide behind crazy mechanics.

What are your thoughts on Iraonavp?

[Klingoncelt]

Holy crap, this is just ridiculous.

AristoCow, Holly and Sugar, and beeboy are all being prodded. This is AristoCow and Holly and Sugar's second prods.

They have (expired on 2016-03-01 16:20:00) to post.

After playing a game where most players stuck out catching up on 20 pages per day, ultimately playing through over 400 pages, I'm not willing to show much patience with lurkers.

[Klingoncelt]

When have you ever seen my scum game?

From the time I started here in every game I was in I would ISO as many players as possible that I didn't know.

Not ISO in the game, but go to their profile page and check out the differences between their Town games and their Scum games.

As either alignment you're subtle and clever. You'd make an excellent detective or attorney.

[Klingoncelt]

Unofficial

Vote Count:

A Real Scourge (2): Holly and Sugar, AristoCow
Raskolnikov (2): kelbris, Extrapolated Eagle
iraonavp (2): Alchemist21, Klingoncelt
shos (2): SnarkySnowman, Elsa and Anna
AristoCow (1): Raskolnikov
Klingoncelt (1): iraonavp
kelbris (1): beeboy
Elsa and Anna(1): shos

Not Voting (2): shos, A Real Scourge

Deadline in (expired on 2016-03-04 23:25:00)


We need to start coming together.

[Klingoncelt]

Well this is the first I'm hearing of this, but thank you. :p

You're welcome.

I used to post it on Day 1 in games I was in but I stopped mentioning it last summer, because some people don't believe in meta. Foolish mortals.

[Klingoncelt]

ISO of Ironav is really town.

I disagree, his votes look opportunistic and he's using AtE when Alch corners him.

What points to him being Town?

[Klingoncelt]

Unofficial

vote count:

iraonavp (4): Alchemist21, Klingoncelt, A Real Scourge, Dream Man
Dream Man (3): iraonavp, shos, Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov (2): kelbris, Extrapolated Eagle
AristoCow (1): Elsa and Anna
A Real Scourge (1): AristoCow
shos (1): SnarkySnowman
kelbris (1): beeboy

13 alive, 7 to lynch. Deadline in 20 hours, 39 minutes.


Less than a day until No Lynch. I won't be able to make it back before deadline. Time for a compromise vote.

Elsa and Anna
AristoCow
SnarkySnowman
beeboy -

Consolidate on one of the top 3 please.

[Klingoncelt]

If I learn that is true I will immediately look at Klingon.

Explain that. There's nothing scummy in not wanting a No Lynch.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon your currently voting iraon and are one of the reasons I settled that way. and i like the vote. whered that scumread go??

My vote hasn't moved. I still think he's Scum and needs to go. It would be great if everyone voted for him, but it's unrealistic to think I'll swing everyone over to my way of thinking in such a short time.

[Klingoncelt]

I think that Klingy might actually be scum here.
I thought I could read her. Saga Frontier proved me wrong. I don't actually know how to read her.
But that consolidate on one of these 3 wagons thing just feels awful.

No it makes a billion times more sense for everyone to have a single vote on them at deadline.

I made my case on Iraonavp twice. Vote for him.

If that's too much to ask, then consolidate on one of the other 2 larger wagons. Christ, this isn't a newbie game.

We have 16 hours until deadline.

[Klingoncelt]

quit being so bad.

2) The "town" is the Foundation. The "mafia" is the Chaos Insurgency.

This multiball paranoia feels like scum posturing to me, but I still want to vote Klingon more for how she pushed the lynch away from Kelbris.
That 'coalesce onto a leading wagon' shit when Kelbris had a bunch of votes and was being an obnoxious lurksack was terrible.

VOTE: KlingyVOTE:

Uh, no, don't even try to go there.

Post 544:

Unofficial Vote Count:

A Real Scourge (2): Holly and Sugar, AristoCow
Raskolnikov (2): kelbris, Extrapolated Eagle
iraonavp (2): Alchemist21, Klingoncelt
shos (2): SnarkySnowman, Elsa and Anna
AristoCow (1): Raskolnikov
Klingoncelt (1): iraonavp
kelbris (1): beeboy
Elsa and Anna(1): shos

Not Voting (2): shos, A Real Scourge

We need to start coming together.

Post 616

Unofficial vote count:

iraonavp (4): Alchemist21, Klingoncelt, A Real Scourge, Dream Man
Dream Man (3): iraonavp, shos, Raskolnikov
Raskolnikov (2): kelbris, Extrapolated Eagle
AristoCow (1): Elsa and Anna
A Real Scourge (1): AristoCow
shos (1): SnarkySnowman
kelbris (1): beeboy

Deadline in 20 hours, 39 minutes.

Less than a day until No Lynch. I won't be able to make it back before deadline. Time for a compromise vote.

Elsa and Anna
AristoCow
SnarkySnowman
beeboy -

Consolidate on one of the top 3 please.

That 'coalesce onto a leading wagon' shit when Kelbris had a bunch of votes ...

Explain how

ONE

vote equals a bunch of votes.

You are lying.

Funny that you moved your vote off Shos and onto AriCow after my first call for consolidation.

Scum = Elsa and Anna, & probably Shos

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

[Klingoncelt]

So I'm at L-1?

Nice Scumwagon.

It definitely proves that E&A are Scum. Raskolnikov and Beeboy have proven to be Scum as well, by virtue of their naked votes.

Shos, maybe.

[Klingoncelt]

I really don't get why we're wagoning Klingon and I really don't think that Klingon is scum.

It's a Scumwagon.

[Klingoncelt]

Really stupid of Beeboy to vote me after I prove E&A are Scum.

Proof that he's Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone that doesn't vote Elsa and Anna is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I'll be back in a little bit, I have another game to check on.

[Klingoncelt]

Aannnnnnnnd nobody has anything to say.

I'm going to go check on a much bigger game, I'll be back sometime tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

It doesn't really matter to me, Scum is Scum, but their interactions, the bear softclaim in their first post, and their very high post count strongly suggest 3rd Party.

[Klingoncelt]

As rask said.

I think beeboy is probably scum though, E&A possibly town.

See post 723.

The hydra is lying (and it's badly done) about me and the vote counts.

They're Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

It doesn't really matter to me, Scum is Scum, but their interactions, the bear softclaim in their first post, and their very high post count strongly suggest 3rd Party.

ok you did THE EXACT similar thing in saga and you were scum . there about my language now about activity? you don't know me and RC ha?

we are not a 3party and we can prove that if we claim. BUT THATS stupid becuase its so damn obvious that we are town

we didn't lie about anything. there was a Kelbris wagon out there with so many intentions to vote her.

we're lynching klingoncent go go go

Link to any post in this game where I say anything about anyone's ESL issues.

So there's another lie you told about me.

And

ONE

vote is

NOT

a wagon.

And there's the lie of omission - that one time when Cowbells and I were Scum - we had to carry that game in LyLo. I can't remember which game it was, though...

[Klingoncelt]

Cowbells knows my Scum game. This ain't it.

[Klingoncelt]

I am Town McTownie, the Towniest Townie that ever Towned.

[Klingoncelt]

As rask said.

I think beeboy is probably scum though, E&A possibly town.

See post 723.

The hydra is lying (and it's badly done) about me and the vote counts.

They're Scum.

But we're town honey

pedit : I said in that game you attacked me becuase of my language issues and now your doing that becuase of my activity

ONE vote is a NOT a wagon. Kelbris had 1 vote but so many people who wanted her dead but wasn't voting her.

yeah your a caught scum, that was a sick omgus kling

pedit : Kling Cowbells said himself he failed to read you in saga , I read you right .
and oh gosh. he is scum reading you know if you really believe in his ability to read you.

~Elsa

I said something about your activity????

Link, please.

Your Kelbris argument was that there was a HUGE wagon on her, when in fact there was only one vote. In fact, YOU were voting for SHOS.

You are lying.

Because you are Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Even if she's town this reaction was really amusing.

VOTE: klingoncelt

Why did you reiterate your vote on me when I just proved beyond any doubt that E&A are Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

Even if she's town this reaction was really amusing.

VOTE: klingoncelt

Why did you reiterate your vote on me when I just proved beyond any doubt that E&A are Scum?

ehem

you just proved behind the doubt that your scum ..... lol

~Elsa

Okay, now you're deliberately being stupid. Like Fox News level.

[Klingoncelt]

The thing is you would have been far more convincing if you had some moderation rather than being all like 100% scum confirmed scum everywhere proven without a doubt!!!111

Okay, make a case on me. Prove me wrong, and prove me Scum.

You can't do either, but give it the ol' college try, kid.

[Klingoncelt]

I strongly recommend that my Town Teammates derail my wagon and lynch Scum, unless they want to lose in a D3 LyLo.

[Klingoncelt]

and the fact is you beleive we're not mafia.

you want to huant 3p's ...

like lol

~Elsa

I want to hunt - and lynch - ALL Non-Foundation.

[Klingoncelt]

I feel like you're more upset for being 'caught for the wrong reasons' rather than for being misread as a town would be. If you were town it would still be a reasonable assumption that at least half of your wagon is town and therefore would be misreading/mistaken but you're acting like only scum could possibly be voting you and trying to discredit all of us as people rather than work towards an understanding.

Town-voter wagons build more slowly.

You must be new.

[Klingoncelt]

I feel like you're more upset for being 'caught for the wrong reasons' rather than for being misread as a town would be. If you were town it would still be a reasonable assumption that at least half of your wagon is town and therefore would be misreading/mistaken but you're acting like only scum could possibly be voting you and trying to discredit all of us as people rather than work towards an understanding.

This is exactly what she did in Saga Frontier.
She gets pissy and OMGUSes people until they leave her alone.
She HAS done similar shit as town before but this doesn't feel like Town!Klingy and the way she's defending herself is awful.

Except that I'm not defending myself. I'm proving your guilt. Two different things.

[Klingoncelt]

I feel like you're more upset for being 'caught for the wrong reasons' rather than for being misread as a town would be. If you were town it would still be a reasonable assumption that at least half of your wagon is town and therefore would be misreading/mistaken but you're acting like only scum could possibly be voting you and trying to discredit all of us as people rather than work towards an understanding.

This is exactly what she did in Saga Frontier.
She gets pissy and OMGUSes people until they leave her alone.
She HAS done similar shit as town before but this doesn't feel like Town!Klingy and the way she's defending herself is awful.

You're lying again.

[Klingoncelt]

You're again arguing that we're scum without arguing that you're town.
I believe that you believe that we're scum, but you're acting like you think
And homing in on a semantics issue about the fact that YOU pulled the votes off of Kelbris yesterday instead of addressing it isn't doing you any favours.
Titus isn't here to save your ass this time. If we're not scum, who is?

I believe every single vote on you is from town. Scumhunt in the remainder of the game. go.

There is no "if." You ARE Scum.

And it's site meta that slow-moving wagons have little to no Scum on them, fast-moving wagons are loaded with Scum.

At no point in time did I pull VOTES of Kelbris. There was only a single vote on her and no indication whatsoever that anyone would join that wagon before deadline.

You are a liar. A bad one.

[Klingoncelt]

It's late, I'm crashing. I'll be back tomorrow night after 9pm eastern.

[Klingoncelt]

Now loo at that

Klingy freaking out


So easy

Actually I'm not freaking out. I haven't been this calm since they took 'ludes off the market.

Funny how E&A wanted Kelbris lynched so much that they had a vote on you - which they then moved to AristoCow.

No, dear, it's not me freaking out. It's the hydra that painted themselves into a corner.

It begs the question, why are you defending them?

[Klingoncelt]

Raskolnikov and Beeboy have proven to be Scum as well, by virtue of their naked votes.

Hello Klingoncelt. I see your points with regard to Elsa and Anna, and your allegations that they are lying.

Would you like to discuss how Raskolnikov and Beeboy are scum? I certainly do not see them both being scum with kelbris, given how they had voted for him yesterday.

Do naked votes necessarily mean that someone is scum?


Looking forward to hearing you from you soon,
Dream Man

I've been getting bad vibes from Raskolnikov all along. His naked vote on me in post 373, and again a mention of me with no mention of a case in post 415 didn't exactly warm me to him.

Beeboy does basically the same thing, naked vote with no case, posts 729 and 733.

In fact, no one here has made anything remotely resembling a case against me.

So why the votes?

I did ask/demand an explanation, here it is all sorts of time later, and not a single one of my voters has tried to present a case.

The wordpuke Shos did in post 776 is utterly meaningless as it has no basis in reality.

So, someone make a case on me being Scum.

Someone make a case on those building my wagon as Town.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm still here, answeing Eagle's post, but there's an emergency...

[Klingoncelt]

Oh good. All I wanted to do was play YCBA all over again. /s

At least E&A listened to me on kelbris.

I so want to say that the wagon on Klingon is terribad just based on how quickly the wagon formed, but she's doing everything she did in YCBA as scum.

@Klingon what's different here?

And that omgus

Lol


...eagle, can you vouch for me-town?

I think so. In what way?

Woof?

VOTE: MarioManiac4

I have not agreed with anything they have posted so far.

Let me read over him again because I think I remember something similar and I might need to gouge my eyeballs out post game for saying this but I don't think I want to lynch Klingon right now.

"I so want to say that the wagon on Klingon is terribad just based on how quickly the wagon formed, but she's doing everything she did in YCBA as scum.

@Klingon what's different here?"

I don't see what's the same here. I'm not Scum in this game.

(For future reference, I promise you, if I'm ever Scum, and stuck with a couple of assholes busing everyone on the team, I'll gamethrow so hard, it'll be worth the ban.)

Do you disagree with my case on E&A?

[Klingoncelt]

Speed doesn't mean a wagon is wrong.

I have yet to see a speedwagon that didn't lynch Town.

[Klingoncelt]

I so want to say that the wagon on Klingon is terribad just based on how quickly the wagon formed, but she's doing everything she did in YCBA as scum.

and Saga

its just like a mirror

~Elsa

You're a terrible liar.

Why did you claim I forced everyone off Kelbris' wagon, when there was no wagon? You yourself refused to vote for her.

[Klingoncelt]

i want to see klingon claim o.o

I am Town.

I have a 2-shot alignment-investigate, however my results go to a random player.

I investigated Alch last night. Lot of good that did.

[Klingoncelt]

Well I was gonna quote but theres just too much

Almost half of your ISO is in tge last 70 posts, lol, after youve been put in L-1. You have 76 posts, of them 30 are after post 730. Note that it has only been 70 posts overall since.

So yeah.

Late last night's "discussion" between E&A and myself went beyond stupid. It was like the Monty Python "Argument" sketch "Yes it is." "No it isn't." "Yes it is." I gave up and went to sleep.

Klingon, I am defending who? I dont recal defensing anyone? Or the hydra needing defense?

Posts 776 and 777. You're trying to make it look like I'm OMGUSing E&A. And freaking out.

I've grown tired of waiting for you jokers to try and make a case on me or remove your votes.

Lynchpool is everyone on my wagon in the last votecount, Town. gogogo.

[Klingoncelt]

Raskolnikov and Beeboy have proven to be Scum as well, by virtue of their naked votes.

Hello Klingoncelt. I see your points with regard to Elsa and Anna, and your allegations that they are lying.

Would you like to discuss how Raskolnikov and Beeboy are scum? I certainly do not see them both being scum with kelbris, given how they had voted for him yesterday.

Do naked votes necessarily mean that someone is scum?


Looking forward to hearing you from you soon,
Dream Man

I've been getting bad vibes from Raskolnikov all along. His naked vote on me in post 373, and again a mention of me with no mention of a case in post 415 didn't exactly warm me to him.

Beeboy does basically the same thing, naked vote with no case, posts 729 and 733.

That might be so, but could it be possible that their naked votes are representative of their playstyle, rather than of their alignment? They seem to have voted for kelbris, who has flipped scum, in a largely similar manner, and it would not be too detached from reality to imagine them making their votes on a whimsy with the aid of a random number generator.


Suppose town is exclusively wagoning you, then, who do you think is scum?

I do not for one second think that this is a Town-based wagon.

Naked votes are shit, no matter who they go on. If I'm voted for, the person voting better be ready to make a case. So far not a single one has.

That there were votes on Kelbris at some point should be raising some flags. Scum very often will throw a naked vote on a teammate, then move it off after the next vote count.

I still have one investigate. I'll use it tonight. Hopefully some Townie with a protect role will watch over me.

My original plan was to check Alch and Shos and hopefully get innos on them and they could build a Townbloc. That got shot down. Now I dunno if I want to check Shos tonight or not.

[Klingoncelt]

May I ask the rationale for your choosing to investigate Alchemist last night? I hold the view that Alchemist was transparently town in this game, and I wonder why you decided that his alignment was uncertain enough for you to spend an investigate on, instead of a more ambiguous slot, such as AristoCow or Raskol.

i agree that Alchemist was really town, but i also think Klingon is town so that's fine. id like to hear her explanation for her choice, though.

I have trouble reading both Shos and Alch. I think they're the most experienced, if they're both Town, they'd be a perfect base for the Townbloc.
Only Alch is dead now and I'm pretty sure Shos is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

i want to see klingon claim o.o

I am Town.

I have a 2-shot alignment-investigate, however my results go to a random player.

I investigated Alch last night. Lot of good that did.

if the results went to someone random, they can confirm, right? Is the player the results go to chosen out of player slots or is it from players who are alive at the end of the night?

Scourge is asking all the wrong questions and it's pinging me.

Yeah, they should be able to confirm. I don't know the Order of Operations, Davsto might not have notified the player since Alch was getting NKed.

@Davsto - Did I speak out loud?

[Klingoncelt]

Did I miss a klingon claim?

Yes.

Why do Scums not read?

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, why townhunt instead of scumhunt? Makes no sense to me for a 2s cop; also cop results on a dead peraon is meeeeeeeh.

Also I kinda have eagle confirming I am town so let go of that.

You and Alch are very experienced players and I have trouble reading you.

It was more a case of me hoping that the 2 of you were/are Town in order to create a strong Townbloc, while still being worried that one or both is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Plus I can't help it if Alch's dead.

[Klingoncelt]

I have trouble reading both Shos and Alch. I think they're the most experienced, if they're both Town, they'd be a perfect base for the Townbloc.
Only Alch is dead now and I'm pretty sure Shos is Scum.

There is a flaw in your strategy. Say, given the situation that Shos and Alchemist are indeed both Town. Although they'd be a perfect base for the townbloc, given your perceptions of their experience levels, they'd also be prima facie nightkills -- ruining your strategy entirely. I suggest that you adapt a different strategy, perhaps using the investigate on a more ambiguous player?

I'll have to now, otherwise Shos will likely have a big target painted on him.

[Klingoncelt]

I do not for one second think that this is a Town-based wagon.

Alright then. Let us assume for a moment that the wagon on yourself is not Town-based. Let us further assume three scum in this game, as what would be average for a thirteen-player game.

This would suggest two remaining scum alive at this point. Do you, then posit, that there is one or two scum on your wagon?

These are the names of the players that have been on your wagon:

Elsa and Anna, shos, Raskolnikov, beeboy

If, two scum, then who are they?
If, one scum, then who is the scum that is off the wagon?


Looking forward to your reply,
Dream Man

Average on this site is 4 Scums/13 players.

If I knew who the Scums were they'd be lynched by now.

E&A's horrific one-vote-equals-a-wagon argument was scummy. Raskolnikov and Beeboy both dropped naked votes on me and refused to even try to make a case. Shos says Eagle proves he's Town, I didn't see that, so I have to re-read.

Did I mention I check

alignment

? There's almost certainly a 3rd Party in the game.

[Klingoncelt]

i'm really sorry about my lack of activity, guys! it's outside stuff. i'm normally not like this.

shos' proof of being town is paper thin, tbh. but i won't press it any more. i don't know if Eagle's reasons are as good as he thinks.

i think Eagle's town (probably..?), it's just shos i'm worried about.
and Mario replaced AristoCow, right? it's weird because i'd be totally happy with the Mario wagon except he's voting shos. and your own scumpartner isn't an ideal counterwagon! but i could be wrong on one or the other, and since it doesn't look like we can lynch shos today, i'm good with the Mario wagon from what i've seen of his ISO. (not that it's a lot)

i'll read up properly tomorrow. Klingon, you're voting Elsa and Anna. do you think Mario is town? what about Eagle?

I have to put Eagle at Null right now.

I was pretty sure that Aristocow were Scum. To a point Mario has been redeeming the slot, but Mario's fixation on Shos has me wondering.

[Klingoncelt]

also Klingon is there a reason you full-claimed your abilities but didn't claim your SCP number? if there is, just say so.

Oh, duh. How about I totally forgot to do that... I'm SCP-1867.

[Klingoncelt]

If I knew who the Scums were they'd be lynched by now.

E&A's horrific one-vote-equals-a-wagon argument was scummy. Raskolnikov and Beeboy both dropped naked votes on me and refused to even try to make a case. Shos says Eagle proves he's Town, I didn't see that, so I have to re-read.

Did I mention I check alignment? There's almost certainly a 3rd Party in the game.

Do you believe that

all

the players voting you are scum? If there are scum off your wagon, who could they be?

I'm interested to know who you deduce are scum, and appreciate it if you tried to identify potential candidates. Even if I concede your point that your wagon may not be "Town-based", you are currently not giving us very much to work with.

It would be remarkable if you could rank your four choices for scum in some order, so that we can understand the intensity of where you stand on those players.

I always believe that everyone on my wagon is Scum. Why on earth would a Townie vote for me? Yeah, I know, but it's my gut reaction to being voted. Sorry.

And no, I'm not giving you much to work with because I simply do not know. E&A are the only players that I can read at all.

There's 9 days until deadline, I'll have a clearer view well before then.

Did I mention that I'm a Day3 player?

[Klingoncelt]

you just claimed you can read me? and RadiantCowbells ?!

srsly you just did that?

~Elsa

I can read Cowbells more easily than I can you.

Keep in mind the last time I had to read you was in SaGa, I was Scum there.

[Klingoncelt]

I mean is there even 1 game between you and me which you didn't scum read me like shit , ever ?!

~Elsa

We can't discuss ongoing games...

But anyway, your playstyle when you first joined here was pretty lynch-baity. And I was Scum a couple times. And I think you actually were scum once. So...

[Klingoncelt]

would you hammer Mario, Kling?
and to make sure we're on the same page, you're a sea slug then? the adventurer dude? i'm trying to think about how that relates to an investigative power... i guess he is an explorer that's cataloged a lot of artifacts.

well, it doesn't matter.

Actually I'm a healthy adult man, a citizen of the Crown, these silly doctors and staff here like to tease me by referring to me as a slug or a snail. How droll of them.

to hammer Mario

Mario, please claim.

[Klingoncelt]

Mod - ^ that ^ was supposed to read INTENT to hammer Mario.

[Klingoncelt]

I was pretty sure that Aristocow were Scum. To a point Mario has been redeeming the slot, but Mario's fixation on Shos has me wondering.

If I may, I would ask how you arrived at these conclusions, for, I am in staunch disagreement with them, particularly the point where "Mario has been redeeming the slot".

I know Ari's play pretty well, he was a hot mess, as in the worst I've ever seen him play. Mario made the slot look

less

scummy, as in redeeming the slot

to a point.

I was hoping for more improvement, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Klingoncelt]

i convinced myself of this like halfway through 893.

shos-scum means Mario town regardless of how i feel about him, and i'm much, much more confident in shos scum.

though Dream man still needs to reply, because i think he was out of line when he told me i should replace out.

Don't get too 1-dimensional with associatives. This game is multiball. I check

alignments

[Klingoncelt]

... Watcher if any should be on her so we are able to verify whether or not she gets roleblocked.

I do like Shos and MM4 as the leading wagons for the moment. I'm going to reread MM4 real quickly and see what's up with that.

I like the Watcher idea. Could do wonders for Town if I'm NKed.

About my results - I don't get them. My PM said basically I say the result out loud and someone with good hearing gets the result, while I forget what I said.

Now with Alch being killed, I wondered if there was a result given, so I asked Davsto. He told me that NKs won't interfere with my results. So either someone got the result and isn't telling us, or that person was roleblocked.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is playing to her scum meta which makes her susp in my eyes. But I don't want to lynch her if we can get her confttownd which might work tonight.

Mario is saying bad things and I don't like it and on top of that he didn't respond to the vote on him like he did in the blitz I played with him so he's probably scu
Pedit bad vote rask are u scum

You played one game with me - one of my worst played games - and you think you know my meta?

Eagle, that's just sad.

[Klingoncelt]

you mean you were roleblocked? i don't think someone else getting roleblocked would stop them from receiving the result, since you were the one who actually took the action.

why do you forget what you said? your SCP remembers everything he cataloged pretty vividly. the article says he embellishes, but he doesn't forget.

I don't know why I forget, as you said, the SCP has a pretty good memory. But my rolecard says I forget what I said and someone with good hearing gets the result.

I think roleblocking them would keep them from getting the info, wouldn't it? Like if they're being jailkept they would be locked away and unable to hear me, or if they were on a hot date with a Consort/Escort they'd be chatting her up and not listening to me. Or if they had a Commuter card and left Town for the night...

[Klingoncelt]

I'll try asking.

[Klingoncelt]

PM sent.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't claim a role that could be easily verified (if not today then tomorrow).
And E+A had a point earlier in that klingon being scum having the same ability as kelbris doesn't make sense either.

Kelbris was a Mafia JoaT whose abilities were nothing like mine.

[Klingoncelt]

I'll be back later.

[Klingoncelt]

You may target a player to watch, and a PM will be sent listing who targeted that player with an action that night. However, the PM result will not go to you - it will go to another player of your choosing who is not aligned with the Chaos Insurgency. This player will not be informed of whom the watched player was.

Close enough.

No, hers was a 1-shot, it was a Watcher role, and the informed party was chosen by the JoaT.

That's like saying a Town Doctor's the same thing as a Godfather.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is playing to her scum meta which makes her susp in my eyes. But I don't want to lynch her if we can get her confttownd which might work tonight.

Mario is saying bad things and I don't like it and on top of that he didn't respond to the vote on him like he did in the blitz I played with him so he's probably scu
Pedit bad vote rask are u scum

You played one game with me - one of my worst played games - and you think you know my meta?

Eagle, that's just sad.

Hey bud. Listen. If I thought I KNEW your meta then I would have brought it up as soon as you started omgusing obvtown like crazy.

But no, I'm bringing it up now because I saw you play as scum, this looks like that, and none of your actions thus far have been really pro town.

I'm not even pushing for your lynch.

But keep up this condescending bs up and I will push you so hard for a lynch just based on the fact that you have been helpful to town the way jar jar binks was helpful to the republic: only by accident. "This is sad." I'm sorry that valid points about previous play makes you less than happy.

I wasn't being condescending, it was a valid question.

I claimed my role and I'm trying to sort everyone out. You really don't know my Scum game. You can't possibly sort someone after a single game. No offense, Eagle, no one's that good.

I'll help - go to my profile and ISO my games from when I joined up until April of last year. (Last summer's & autumn's meta doesn't work for analysis.) Then come back and outline my Town v. Scum playstyle.

[Klingoncelt]

And that's

Mrs.

Bud, thank you.

[Klingoncelt]

The message I got from the mod was that a puppy came and played with me last night or something like that. So I barked at shos. He barked back. It means SOMETHING or the role is straight up useless to town. So I think we keep him alive?

Interesting.

It looks like passing messages is a thing this game, then.

[Klingoncelt]

With regard to a player confirming Klingon's role, I think that the whole affair itself is foolish. Given that Klingon inspected a dead player, Alchemist, his alignment is already known to all. Therefore, only three possible events can happen:

1) Town confirms Klingon's message
2) Scum confirms Klingon's message
3) Scum does not confirm Klingon's message.

In all three cases, none of them actually give us any more insight to Klingon's alignment, only the fact that it exists, although I would believe that Klingon, if scum, would not attempt to fakeclaim a provable role. It would also be indistinguishable if town or scum confirmed Klingon's message, for Alchemist's alignment is already public knowledge.

There is no need for whoever received Klingon's message to claim it, and it doesn't make a difference else.

It does make some difference, but maybe it's better that they don't say anything, under the circumstances.

With any luck I'll find a Scum tonight. Then they can talk.

[Klingoncelt]

In fact, nobody confirming Klingon's message, ironically, points further toward Klingon being town, for, it suggests that scum had received the message, and that Klingon is not on their side.

The alignment of the person receiving the message wasn't mentioned in my PM, but would the Mod giving it to a Scum be a good idea?

[Klingoncelt]

In fact, nobody confirming Klingon's message, ironically, points further toward Klingon being town, for, it suggests that scum had received the message, and that Klingon is not on their side.

The alignment of the person receiving the message wasn't mentioned in my PM, but would the Mod giving it to a Scum be a good idea?

If your role PM mentioned that the person receiving the message was randomized, then every player has an equal chance of receiving the message. Scum can possibly receive it.

If your role PM suggests that another player with a parallel role to yours receives a message, then either that player replaced out without checking his messages, or does not want to claim and out himself, or you got roleblocked.

I checked with the mod, if my action goes through the result definitely goes to someone.

I could have been roleblocked - but the receiver could have been roleblocked too.

It would make sense to not out him/her self over a dead guy.

[Klingoncelt]

How was it a valid question, you were being sarcastic. And no I'm not going to read all your past games just to be able to say that your play this game is like it was in ycba.

I was being very honest.

This game is truly not at all like my YCBA game, just like your play is different. Don't get me wrong, the wallposts were too much for me to read, I never read anyone's walls, but you're not quite as ... I don't know what word to use that won't anger you, but you seem less aggressive in overall scumhunting.

It's as though you're Scum targeting me because you think I'm still lynchbait.

If you have a lot of time, read the SaGa game. I'm not lynchbait anymore.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon tell me in what way the OMGUSing and the panicking you're doing in this game is different from the OMGUSing and panicking in YCBA

I'm doing neither. Why are you lying?

[Klingoncelt]

Eagle, i read Saga, and Klingon certainly OMGUSed, but that's apparently normal for her. she also didn't panic, it's more like she retreated and tried to lurk it out.
can you quote her panicking here?

Saga? Was she scum or town there?

How often does she misinterpret/misrepresent people in order to OMGUS them?

I was Scum in SaGa. Early on there was a rushed wagon on me. I wasn't panicked, I was enormously pissed off over it - I had been horrifically sick, and was still sick as I came off a week's V/LA. Within hours of my return I was being voted for having lurked all week! Regardless of alignment, that kind of wagon is pure shit.

The rest of my game was filled with awesome. Frozen and Itlepip were there.

[Klingoncelt]

Eagle, i read Saga, and Klingon certainly OMGUSed, but that's apparently normal for her. she also didn't panic, it's more like she retreated and tried to lurk it out.
can you quote her panicking here?

I read OMGUSing as panicking because that seems to be the only reason someone would do that.

Klingon just does it because it's her, as far as i can tell. i'm not certain but she's probably talked about her own meta here?

If not, here's how it's done:

Go to the user's profile and in the lower right, click on

Search user's posts

. Go to the last page and work your way forward.

I will say, don't bother with any of my games between May 1 to October 1. In R/L I had 6 people dead, myself and another nearly dead, a second burglary to deal with, and a shit ton of betrayal. I wasn't exactly on top of my game at that time.

Also, regardless of alignment I tend to Townhunt every bit as much if not more than Scumhunt.

[Klingoncelt]

can you link it? tho i don't know how reading another scum game will help here.

i just don't think Klingon is lying about her own meta here. you'd know what i meant if you read Saga, but it's such a massive game, i wouldn't have read it at all if i hadn't been casually following it from the beginning! my point is that she did it in Saga because she knew she could get away with it, because it was her meta. Klingon, am i off base here? i wasn't following the game as closely as someone who was playing would have.

That game was so fookin' epic! It should be required reading for all noobs.

I don't know how much it helps to read it on its own... the 4 Adventure threads from Nights 4 & 5 have to be included, as well as the Scum thread...

That could take all day to get through. It's a funny read, though, at least there's that.

[Klingoncelt]

My point is that I made a point about her being OMGUSY like she was in YCBA and she blew it out of proportion, misrepresented it as me trying to meta her and then attacked me for trying to meta her. Which I didn't do in the first place.

On top of all this if you read YCBA her actions were all reactionary and not intentional whatsoever.

And it still baffles me that you're trying to defend her town play with her scum game. I'm so confused as to why you're doing that.

Pedit I'm not accusing her of lying about her meta

In YCBA I was bused unnecessarily on Day 1. Had my partners left the wagon it would have dissolved. That was totally demoralizing, and my play showed my sadness and frustration.

[Klingoncelt]

Unofficial

vote count:

A Real Scourge (3): Dream Man, shos, Raskolnikov
shos (3): MarioManiac4, Elsa and Anna, A Real Scourge

Not Voting (3): jmo16mla, Extrapolated Eagle, Klingoncelt

9 alive, 5 to lynch. Deadline: 4 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes

[Klingoncelt]

Both wagons are at L-2.

VOTE: A Real Scourge

A Real Scourge is now at L-1.

Scourge, care to claim?

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: jmo

Im a cardboard puppy, lol

What's your SCP number?

[Klingoncelt]

I have no clue what's going on and I'm probably not going to read this entire thread to catch up

whats going on guys

Don't feel bad, I think Eagle was kind of lost.

What's your SCP number? (In your PM, SCP-XXXX. Mine's SCP-1867, a Victorian Age explorer that the staff all think is a telepathic snail.)

[Klingoncelt]

it doesn't.
and shos isn't lying about his claim, i looked it up
it's kinda terrifying, but kelbris' SCP wasn't immediately threatening, so I doubt violent-scp means scum.

id still rather lynch shos than jmo. and I want Klingon to talk about shos because she seemed to not want to lynch him because Eagle said he was probtown.

I thought he was Town on Day1. Now I'm not so sure...

How often are Fruit Vendors Town? I was a Scum Fruit Vendor once. I've seen several 3rd Party Fruit Vendors.

Shos, what's your SCP number?

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Shos

[Klingoncelt]

http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1783

*fixed link?*

[Klingoncelt]

Why am I on L-1?

no quickhammers please, I'll fullclaim if needed.

Meanwhile, yeah, I'm SCP-1783. Klingon, do you know by now why I can vouch for you?

Oh, shit. I just figured it out.

UNVOTE:

Shos is TOWN, people!!!!

[Klingoncelt]

davsto, im requesting a pause in the clock until a replacement is found

Players, the slot is Scum. Let's save Davsto the trouble.

VOTE: MarioManiac4

[Klingoncelt]

I investigated Mario/Ranger.



This is not good.

And no, I'm not Scum. I'm not a killer, either.

One possibility - what if my results are going to Scum, or to a 3rd Party? I doubt that both of my investigates were

coincidentally

killed.

[Klingoncelt]

If Town decides to keep me alive, help me choose who to investigate tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

And put a Watcher AND a Tracker on me.

[Klingoncelt]

You said you were 2 shot. Doesn't that mean you're out of shots now?
Furthermore, why did you investigate the confirmed vig claim (no cc) over someone more likely to be scum (shos,ee)...

I lied in order to avoid Scum targeting me.

I'm an Alignment Cop. Full time. My results do go to another (unknown) player, I didn't lie about that.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

She did not investigate the uncced vig. She's just looking for a claim to pick without clearing people.
I expect the other scum is going to try to bus her at some point here, which means that they're probably in a reasonably strong position.

Flubber's slot fits.

Unvote me, Cowbells.

Quit playing like a noob.

[Klingoncelt]

I investigated Mario/Ranger.



This is not good.

And no, I'm not Scum. I'm not a killer, either.

One possibility - what if my results are going to Scum, or to a 3rd Party? I doubt that both of my investigates were

coincidentally

killed.

If Town decides to keep me alive, help me choose who to investigate tonight.

In fact yeah.

Her scumpartner told her that they're bussing her here.

Look at this play.

In fact, I could see this as Raskol/Klingon.

I want you two to think really, really hard here. Think. Really hard.

Do you actually believe, after thinking hard, that I'd roleblock myself and let a noob bus me?

If I were scum, would I claim ALIGNMENT Cop?

Would I kill my "cop" targets?

You're not processing the info here.

[Klingoncelt]

She literally mixed up

1) Number of shots.
2) Claimed to target dead, who just happened to be essentially confirmed town.
3) Claimed bullshit about people receiving her results that isn't even related to her results. Even though her results wouldn't matter because they apparently hit dead.

Klingon is a much better scum player than this. She intentionally posted crap so that she would get bussed.

I didn't mix up the number of shots, I lied about them to make myself less of a target for Scum.

I didn't target confirmed Town, and EVERY TIME YOU CALL YOUR TOWNPICKS "CONFIRMED" IT PROVES HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ABOUT THE GAME.

You don't know what's in my Rolecard. You just made up reason #3, pulled it out of your ass.

"Klingon is a much better scum player than this."

Exactly.

[Klingoncelt]

If you believe this is the case, you've outed this information early instead of waiting to see who would push her.

There's no information, they're idiots. Or Scum.

Maybe I'll investigate them tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

I investigated Mario/Ranger.

Why did you investigate a claimed ascetic?

I never believe ascetic claims.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is a much better scum player than this. She intentionally posted crap so that she would get bussed.

What exactly is the point of wanting to get deliberately bussed, if she has the capacity to play "better" than "this"?

Exactly.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling why'd you lie about your number of shots and why'd you target Mario? you should've targeted shos or someone.

There are a lot of players I have doubts about. I can only check one at a time.

As for Ranger, I hate Ascetic claims, half the time they're fake.

[Klingoncelt]

found this

Why am I on L-1?

no quickhammers please, I'll fullclaim if needed.

Meanwhile, yeah, I'm SCP-1783. Klingon, do you know by now why I can vouch for you?

Was this implying shos also received the result yesterday as well?

I think so.

[Klingoncelt]

Actually I can confirm this

I got something. If it is NOT kingon's result, we lynch her.

Klingon, ask the mod how your reaults are given. As in,what will it say? How? Etc.

Okay. It will likely be 24 hours before I get the result here.

You should PM the mod, too, ask if what you got are my results.

[Klingoncelt]

found this

Why am I on L-1?

no quickhammers please, I'll fullclaim if needed.

Meanwhile, yeah, I'm SCP-1783. Klingon, do you know by now why I can vouch for you?

Was this implying shos also received the result yesterday as well?

No.

Klingon later confirmed she finally underatood, but she didnt explain. If she isnt scum, she would have no problems answering this too.

Lots of queations for klingon to answer

You didn't get the results for Night 2???

Who did???

[Klingoncelt]

Do you realize that a vigilante that claimed a shot and isn't counter claimed is nearly confirmed town? Do you disagree with that?

You must be new.

Do you know that in a role madness game Scum can have an extra NK and claim it's a Vig shot? Do you know it's not always wise to claim early in the game?

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone can claim anything D1 or D2, it's not 'confirmed' and neither are they.

[Klingoncelt]

I got a reply to my PM.

Without quoting it exactly, someone gets a PM saying that they heard a voice give out someone's alignment. The alignment is given, but not the name of the person that was checked.

[Klingoncelt]

I investigated Mario/Ranger.

Why did you investigate a claimed ascetic?

I never believe ascetic claims.

Fair enough. But, you do realise, that if Ranger was indeed town, one might have received a "No Result" instead, assuming that Ranger did not lie about her role? At best, "No Result", and at worst, a positive guilty result.

Did you think that it was wise that, after your result being sent to a random player, further uncertainty be added because of a potential "No Result" (if Ranger was town)? Or, were you absolutely positive that Ranger was scum?

I do apologise for being blunt here, but even in the best case scenario, your actions still prove to be unwise. It is puzzling why you would choose not to inspect one such as Raskol or Eagle.

I check someone to find out their alignment. I have no control over whether or not I get a "no result." I was not positive Ranger was Scum. If I'm positive about someone, I'll go ahead and push for their lynch, and investigate someone else.

No, there's very good reasoning behind whom I check. Some people are bigger threats as Scum than others. Some people are better Town players than others. I want to strengthen Town and weaken Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I feel like scum is trying to push the agenda of us being scumspects and the 3P thing since they know they can't NK me.

I'm going to reread this.

Where did this come from?

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Elsa & Anna

I'm the Town Cop, you tards.

[Klingoncelt]

Elsa & Anna are Scum #2.
Raskolnikov is Scum #3, I'll bet.

[Klingoncelt]

This is pretty damning (low probability) so I'll forgive you guys if you ML off this.
If you do I recommend target selection within {flubber, klingon, ARS} tomorrow. I doubt klingon and ARS are on the same faction and ninja actually makes sense to prop up an otherwise weak flavour cop role if scum, though klingons play has just been so bad its still up for debate.

Your play has been horrific.

I'm the Cop.

Do you understand what an uncountered claim means?

It means that anyone voting for me is auto-Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Elsa & Anna

I'm the Town Cop, you tards.

bullshit.

you lied about and retracted your shot claim, and targeted basically confirmed town who just happened to also be claimed ascetic and who just happened to also be obvtown by play and the obvious NK target.

if you managed to pull off that trifecta of scumlord play as town you deserve to be lynched.
and frankly at this point I'm happy lynching anyone who is trying to bring up scum RC paranoia.

like if you're town playing this bad i have absolutely zero regrets about lynching you here because your reads are shit and your play is shit and you're probably scum.

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

[Klingoncelt]

Or she's just another weird JOAT who has a cop ability.
Other flip had an amnesiac watcher. Amnesiac cop isn't out of the question.
If you're town qutt being terrible.

Your convoluted misrepresentation of me isn't working.

[Klingoncelt]

In fact

VOTE: Shos

Klingon at least is known for being an idiot when it comes to people voting her.
Shos is being absolutely horrible.

If klingon is scum, she had to somehow know the precise way one of of the mod PMs I recieved was written in.

Or an extremely unlikely lucky guess lol

Elsa, nobody touches klingon before you lynch me this game.

Like this feels fucking horrible.
Feels like scum with an ace up his sleeve.
If he has some crap to pull to fake confirm himself as town it would make sense why he'd want me out of the picture.

Like, amnesiac cop doesn't confirm anyone as town?
I hate how Shos correlates confirming the ability with confirming the alignment which is just scumlogic as fuck.
That 'lynch me first!' feels like scum posturing and shitty posturing is exactly what clued me into him in 1750.
I think it's just Shos/Klingon, yeah. And that 'lynch me first' thing makes sense especially if she's lying about the role; because her lynch would confirm them both.

Raskol should claim as well.

And you just raised the bar on convoluted tinfoil hat theories.

[Klingoncelt]

Rask, shouldn't you know the difference between a result of someone not performing a kill, and a no result from being blocked? you should at least ask the mod how your results work.

shos, stop saying you're confirmed. you're not, and Eagle said as much already. but it's fine to ask the replacement.

i don't know with Klingon. im fine with giving her one more day. if she manages to investigate another cop kill then we can look at her, but for now I'm too uncertain about it.
plus there's the thing with Rask, with shos still being scum, etc.
VOTE: shos

Shos is my mouthpiece. Do not vote for him.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm V/LA until Monday due to the holiday.

You kids stay out of trouble until I return...

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon didn't start too look bad until d2

By all means, please, oh please rolecop me tonight.

Don't anyone block Flub!

[Klingoncelt]

One Amnesiac Cops - Klingoncelt
One Flavour Cop - Scourge
One Role Cop. - Flubbernugget
One Passive Loud Self-Motion-Detector - Dream Man
One Lightning Rod - Alchemist21
One Vigilante (that is unable to move when visited at night) - Ranger
One Paranoid-Gun-Owner - Elsa & Anna
One (dubious) Roleblocker - Raskol
One After-Death Roleblocker - Iraonavp
One Ascetic - Jmo16mla
One Treestump - SnarkySnowman
One Fruit Vendor - Shos
One Mafia JoaT - Kelbris

Fruit Vendors are often 3rd Party Survivors. When a game has 3rd Parties, there's often a Role Cop, any alignment.

I don't see the point of a Flavor Cop, when flavor is NAI.

But this game is a Role Madness, isn't it?

Myself, I think our Scums are E&A and Raskol.

[Klingoncelt]

If nobody minds, I'd like for flubber lynched today for his "role cop" claim, so that Scourge and Raskol's roles can be proven both at once.

This might not do much in terms of determining their alignments, but it can help to verify what they're saying; Raskol in particular.

I mind.

At this point Flub's not my strongest scumread.

There are 7 players left, 3 could be Scum. We can't have any mislynches now.

[Klingoncelt]

Yeah, it's Rask/Shos.

No. Shos is not Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

JUST WHY!?!?!?!?!

WHY AM I EVEN HERE????

What is the point in life?

You can help us find the last 2 Scumz, and then you get your angel wings.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Not agreed with my other head. I beleive Klingon may have a way to send massages to players and stuff or shos is scum with her but I beleive the first.

I can't beleive a town cop investigating the dead obvious town claimed ascetic vigilant who slipped when she talked today about her shots.

This is bullshit.

Shos play as partner make little sense but we can clarify if he gets massages or not after a klingon lynch.

I'm really uncomfortable in dreamman guilty on rask as there are so many scenarios explaining he may be town.

Hello FB

~Elsa

I'm certain that the hydra is Scum. They're being deliberately stupid, trying way too hard with impossibly convoluted theories.

Flubbernugget's Scum too. He's not even trying.

[Klingoncelt]

And?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[Klingoncelt]

Alright so I'm just going to give up on Klingon seeing as she's misread me every single game we've ever played.
Dream man, Flubber, ARS. We are all going to lynch Shos.
I want all of you to either vote him or explain to me why you think he's town so I can explain why you're wrong.

You are not going to lynch Shos.

Jesus Christ on a crutch, follow someone else's lead, Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Is that a picture of you shos?

1 - I still love a clear answer. Who received Kling night 1 result ?
2 - Counesidense? I don't beleive thats the case
3 - She didn't belive it? Oh come on! Is that even an answer?
4 - She was scumreading her? come on! then why she didn't talk about him last day phase?
5 - Its definitely the opposite side of brilliance. There was no fucking need to lie as town in the start.
6 - I strongly scumread klingon so thats a case , or your scum with her. which is it ?

~Elsa

On #5, it's exactly what a Cop should do to avoid a Night Kill, claim X-shot.

Everything else has been discussed already.

[Klingoncelt]

Think I'll investigate you two tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, where do you think your result would go if shos were to be lynched?

Btw nobody quickhammer. I don't really like this lynch in particular but no matter who we lynch I have to an idea for something to do when today's lynch is decided.

Basically for any specific lynch I'll announce who I'll roleblock if it flips scum: that way we restrict the possibilities
a) if someone else (including me) is killed instead, that person is pretty much conf-town unless they're ascetic.
b) the NK is forced onto that player to prevent them being conf-town
c) the person is the scum and so prevented from killing
d) scum no-kill to try to frame him but this gives investigative roles another free night

sound good? I think it makes sense even if you don't trust me because the person would still be conf-town if they aren't killed.

I have no idea where my result would go. Someone with good hearing would get it, so I suppose that excludes the Waffle Iron. Can bears hear well? Is there really a rabbit in the game? Rabbits have good hearing.

I wish the claimed role Cop would check me tonight.

You guys need to unvote Shos.

[Klingoncelt]

whats it with you people and announcing investigation targets?
tho as i say that ill actually ask who i should be investigating tonight. i dont really see the usefulness so i doubt the knowledge will help scum?

kling, i am a proud waffle iron and my hearing is awesome. totes.
but how come when you first claimed you confidently said your results would go to a random person? and now you're saying they go to someone with good hearing? why did you think it was random before?

Because it said "someone with good hearing." At first I took that to mean anyone in the game, randomly chosen. But then Shos said his bit about dogs having good hearing, so now I'm wondering if only one player or one within a specific type of players can get my results.

It would suck much if my results go only to Shos and something happens to him.

[Klingoncelt]

Lol klingon wants the person she wants lynched to check her tonight

Epic game solving there

That's how I roll.

Moonlogic rawks.

[Klingoncelt]

Someone unvote Shos, please. Like, all of you.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon and shos,

presuming that Elsa and Anna are town, how viable would it be to force Flubber to visit them tonight, and, failing which, he gets lynched with immediacy tomorrow?

What would be the point if he's a fake cop and they're Scum with him?

[Klingoncelt]

I refuse to lynch Flubber after he wasn't pushing Shos at all today nor expressed interest in lynching him.

If he's scum, he's scum with Shos.

You guys are either playing your worst game ever, or you're being willfully stupid.

Between the two of you there hasn't been a single intelligent post.

I'm tired of it. If you're just going to troll the game, replace out.

[Klingoncelt]

How do you reconcile shos being scum, with klingon claiming alignment cop whose results only go to shos? Have you seen something like that before?
Also (unless he's JOAT-type) would he claim to visit to the person he knew would die last night, rather than just visiting one of us? I guess wifom but still.

They're Scum, Rask.

With Flubber.

[Klingoncelt]

What would be the point if he's a fake cop and they're Scum with him?

I have had made it very clear in my post that one needs to presume the hypothetical scenario that Elsa and Anna are town. The premise is that Elsa and Anna was town, and I was hoping that you would answer the question in accordance to the scenario that I have set.

I would be very upset if you do go on responding to my posts as such.

If Shos flips Town, E&A are Scum. So are you.

I tried giving that hydra a break, but they keep coming up with more and more twisted scenarios.

[Klingoncelt]

stop ignoring my votes:
VOTE: Raskolnikov
VOTE: Raskolnikov

Okay, sell us on this.

Why should we all vote Rask?

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon you're actually a pretty terrible player tbh.

Still a step up from you guys' play.

I'm currently raging from an ongoing game, so I'll say no more on the subject right now.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

Why do you keep writing Klingon off as town?

Are you fucking serious?

They're too dense to understand that I'm a cop.

[Klingoncelt]

I think that with the amount of town investigatives, the other two that I'm pretty sure are town, there's no way that both Shos and Klingon are town here anyway.

If we were two different alignments why would one player's cop result go to the other?

Please don't type anything until you can produce a LOGICAL reason.

[Klingoncelt]

Tossing some thought here.

I gave been thinking. Town is really all over the llace. That means one of two things -
1. Scum are truly playing brilliantly and deserve to win, and I can't prevent that without some lucky decisions
2. We have false negatives.

I have no other buzarre explanation for the scum death. EA are nit getting done with today.
So kingon.

I realized that flubber claimed a usually-scum role, "confirming" two claims that have already been present.

My read on klingon was baaed on her claiming that her results go to someone with good hearing.

But thay claim came only after N1.

So Im thinking. Flub copped me n1. It is ok to fakeclaim town rilecop because it is provable - he DOES have thw ability. But...gis targets were lies. He copped me and realized I had big ears. Then, probably in daytalk, he and klingon-messenger crafted this to make me 100% be sure kkling is town.

This is actualy nit so far fetched.

And it can onkly haolpen via flubscum.
Why would he hammer me earlier? Why, no other wagon was going to happen it seemed. Dunno, I thought id be lynched ages ago. The town is a mess.

Im gonna go with a flub lynch.

Can we make this hallen?

Flub replaced Eagle, so any planning he has or hasn't done would have happened after Eagle left.

But anyway, I'm Town.


Look, people, it's clear that A&E are Scum. As loopy as their play is normally, it's off the charts in this game. No, really, ISO them. Read the shit they type, thinking we'll actually buy into it.

Then vote for them. We have 12 hours from this post to lynch that Scum hydra.

[Klingoncelt]

I already mentioned this, but kk had no results n1 cuz she was rb'd.
But I guess I could see a scum cop that sends results to a town person as an interesting mechanic with room for play (inno randomly and then fake guilty at lylo).

Also if you look at EE/flub slot I'm like positive he did actually rolecop me night 1. He was straight up asking for my role day 2 and if I said something else other than RB he probably would have freaked out.

hmm.
That is correct.

So the three of us are Town.

[Klingoncelt]

if i hadda pick right now it'd be Klingon/shos/Flubber, two within that group of three. Dream Man still looks town to me, and also looks mistaken again. Rask i'm less sure of because i think he independently looks like scum. Flubber/shos look the worse to me right now. Klingon i really have no idea, she's there cause i could see her partnering with shos.

Elsa and Anna is likely town due to poe, and the fact that hard-defending me like they are really doesn't seem useful to me if they're scum.[/b][/size]

So ARS and A&E are scumpartners.

Good to know.

VOTE: A Real Scourge

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon needs to stop voting Elsa and Anna...

Why?

Because they're your teammates, that's why.

Big slip.


Okay, Scourge needs 2 more votes. 11 hours to go. Let's do this!

[Klingoncelt]

Because you would be town and she can feed you (mis)information.

Another stupid Scumfail in logic.

If I were Scum, would I give results FOR PEOPLE I KILLED to Shos?

No, you goddamn rocket scientists, I'd give him "not Town" results on a Townie so I could set up a mislynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Klingoncelt]

holy shit.

Kingom and flubber
Easy

VOTE: klingon

Goddamn it, Shos.

Is there a Spazztard Plague infecting this game, or what?

[Klingoncelt]

And then be confscum.

I'd expect you to do that on LyLo, yeah.

Looks like Scum's going to win this one.

I hate you.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm so done with your crap dudette. we're town.

That role makes me think that Shos is more likely to be scum than you.

Will you vote him with us or no?

Again you're posting with brainfreeze.

I'm Town. If Shos were Scum he's just say the opposite of what the result was and we would have a mislynch.

Shos and I are both Town.

You and Scourge are not.

[Klingoncelt]

I have no idea what the concept of SCP is.

but I still don't believe FA was scum.

ISO the hydra. It's pretty clear they were Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

gg, Scum, congrats

Davsto, I love that SCP site, very creative writers over there. Someone should do a cable tv series on the SCPs.

[Klingoncelt]

we killed kelbris

RC needs to not be so eager to bus. It's becoming too much of a tell for her.

[Klingoncelt]

Dang, I sound grouchy. I'm not really grouchy. I'm sleepy.

[Klingoncelt]

FA, your scumgame has improved a great deal, good job!