Mini 1762: Game Over

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Hello, my friends.

I am confirming my slot by posting in the thread!

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VOTE: kirroha

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well that was easy.

Trying to get an easy mislynch, scum?

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VOTE: ShortcutButton

So, kirroha is scum and BBT is town?

Also consistent with this is the way she doubtcasts those on BBT's wagon.

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Also consistent with this is the way she doubtcasts those on BBT's wagon.

Good job with the misrepresentation. That was an RVS joke vote, and it was on someone on

Nino's

wagon, not BBT's.

My friend, that is no misrepresentation!

I was referring to this post:

Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

The ones who are sheeping Radiant and jumping from BBT to me right away are all not looking good, but looking even scummier are those who hopped in and voted me for no reason.

VOTE: ink for the blatant misrepresentation of my post. That's scummy as hell.

How shallow. There's little scum motivation in any of the actions in this quote, and I didn't perform any of them regardless.

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So, kirroha is scum and BBT is town?

Oh look! I found BBT's scumbuddy.

"bbt is scummy"
"actually idk maybe he's town b/c wagon speed"
"i found bbt's scum partner"

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Also, your page one fake township is incredibly laughable.

Like, I have absolutely no clue how you expected that to work at all.

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Also, your page one fake townslip is incredibly laughable.

Like, I have absolutely no clue how you expected that to work at all.

fixed

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I'm kind of seeing Nino's point about BBT's policy lynch suggestion, though I'm not sure if it's a scumtell. Pg2 implications of viable lynches before half of the players have even confirmed just doesn't sit well with me.

Just to clarify, this is referring to BBT's suggestion to policy lynch Nino, not concern over a potential lynch of BBT. Suggesting to policy lynch a newbie is never a good thing and BBT doesn't sit well in my books for doing that. But I was also curious as to what Nino thought about BBT afterwards, which was why I asked.

In fact, the fact that BBT's wagon shifted so quickly elsewhere all of a sudden makes me think that there was scum on his wagon (and now on mine). First distance, then shift targets to a mislynch. This is if BBT is scum.

You should self-vote.

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I actually read some of kiarrhoea's past games, and his play as town strikes me as scummy in similar ways as his play here does. All I can feel about his scum play is that it's even worse.

So I'm not giving as much weight to all the "wagon sped xd shepping". The main thing keeping my vote where it is right now is the "guys, just wondering as an aside btw is their scum daytalk im just asking for a friend??". Complete garbage.

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UNVOTE: kirroha

The more I ruminate on this, the more I think that kirroha legitimately townslipped. Let's re-read!

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I figured out the softclaim.

Just think about this for a second, what would scum gain by claiming that? What he claimed isn't congruent with the idea of his nervous, survivalistic crumbing being scummy. He clearly acknowledged pressure, too.

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Yes.

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I don't think we're talking about the same softclaim. Let's stop discussing this for now.

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Ok never mind claiming to be a newbie when she's not is not as scummy as I thought it was, dunno why it was said though.

What changed your mind here about the indicativeness of Nino's dishonesty?

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Let's dispel once and for all this fiction that Kirroha doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she's doing. Kirroha is undertaking a systematic effort to change this game, to make 1762 more like the rest of the world. We don't want to be like the rest of the world, we want to be 1762. And when I'm elected president, this will become once again, the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster Kirroha has imposed upon us.

Why aren't you voting kirroha, then? While I understand that this post probably isn't entirely serious, it's unclear whether or not you're actually trying to convey some point here.

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Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.

On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

I think this vote is terrible, and not just because I'm now reading kirroha as town. Killthestory's efforts to justify her vote are very poor.

Perhaps the main thing I dislike here is how the confidence just feels... wrong, but it's difficult to quantify this.

The quoted post is more an attempt to attack kirroha than to show why they're scum.

VOTE: Killthestory

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My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.

Are you familiar with this concept?

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RadiantCowbells' posts give me a non-specific bad feeling. He hasn't done anything that gives me strong town feelings, either. I'm sure the joking about being scum wasn't intended seriously regardless of his alignment, but I can't shake the feeling that most of these posts have been an attempt to distract us from reading him.

Kirroha's 128 seemed quite town, actually.

I think that implosion, I Am Innocent, and NinoMasaki are town.

Rubixxx's reads are weird and I'm not sure what he's doing, but I like his self-assured tone.

I like some of ShortcutButton's posts, and dislike others.

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BBT isn't even scummy at all.

If he's being wagoned during RVS for claiming scum then like, okay, fine. But that's ultimately null and he's done almost nothing else indicative enough to warrant seriously considering lynching him.

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I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.

I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.

That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.

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Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.

On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

I think this vote is terrible, and not just because I'm now reading kirroha as town. Killthestory's efforts to justify her vote are very poor.

Perhaps the main thing I dislike here is how the confidence just feels... wrong, but it's difficult to quantify this.

The quoted post is more an attempt to attack kirroha than to show why they're scum.

VOTE: Killthestory

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It's an opinion. Your efforts to justify your vote are poor because you identified small and non-alignment-indicative logical issues with kirroha's posts and treated them as if they were alignment indicative.

Confidence is wrong to you? Any townie should be exerting confidence? Do you disagree with this?

That's not what I said at all.

Your

confidence was wrong to me. I don't think that "Any townie should be exerting confidence". If you think this, it probably explains your motive in faking confidence.

[Citation needed]

It's an opinion. There's a lot of over-the-top misrepresentation in your post.

My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.

Are you familiar with this concept?

Any half decent player knows about WIFOM, and I took it into consideration. However, I don't think BBT's behaviour was tactically planned to cause such a ripple effect regarding how players thought past vs presently.

"Yep, I know what WIFOM is."
"But it's not WIFOM, it's [WIFOM]."

My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.

I think this is definitely a null tell. How friendly or silly or jokey a player is depends quite a lot on how well they know the people around here. BBT who seems to know Radiant, yourself, Radko etc. would naturally be more jokey than a new player like Nino or someone who hasn't been here in 2 years like myself.

If it were rehearsed, then I'd think it null/scum, but quite frankly I think it's a town member comfortable about his situation and exerting confidence regardless.

This isn't a play.

Generally, town members have a confidence, an aura you could say, where they know they won't be lynched. That is not true, but players still exhibit this tendency. BBT is confident and just as well seems to be exhibiting this.

You're clearly having trouble justifying your awkward opinion.

Anyway, I don't know any of the players on this site as I'm new.

ShortcutButton appears to know you.

I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.

I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.

That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.

Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

It's also interesting how you're throwing shade on me without outright attacking me.

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

You've failed at more than just that by broadcasting your alignment blatantly.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?

This is just terrible. You still haven't even said that I'm scum at all yet, but you're casting so much doubt.

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Going to go back and read all the new posts. In the meantime, I'll respond to implosion's post first.

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I need to clarify something.

I did not softclaim anything.

All I revealed was that I crumbed my role early in the game, and everyone started going back and trying to figure out what was it that I crumbed and making speculations (which are all wrong). I stated quite clearly that my crumb is in plain sight, but is

impossible to figure out unless you know the language

. I have deliberately also made it a crumb that isn't Google Translateable either, so that nobody will be able to tell what it is until I have to explain the crumb myself. Essentially, the crumb will only make sense after I am forced to claim.

This is so there is no way my crumb or the fact that I have a crumb would give any kind of extra information to scum.

Instead, it is a way for me to inform the rest of the town that I had a

consistent

role from the beginning, something which scum is unlikely to have. It doesn't necessarily mean a PR softclaim. I could've crumbed "vanilla townie" for all you know.

So I don't get your argument in that it isn't a legitimate action for me to take as town.

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I figured out the softclaim.

No, no you did not.

Can I please reiterate that

my crumb was in a

language other than English

. If you managed to find some other "crumb" in my posts then you're just seeing something which isn't there. My crumb was not in English.

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. Hold the fuck on.

I looked at all of your posts. I didn't see anything that was not English. Are you admitting to putting hidden text in one of your posts? You know that's against the rules, right? Not to mention, EXTREMELY scummy. You just got moved to the top of my scum list, bambina.

Please tell me you're not serious.

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Idk. I might be wrong. I really want to hear either people agreeing with me or some better reason for me to be dissuaded than there having been a similar situation in which the person in question was town.

You're tunneling here.

Look at the page 1 townslip and the VT claim. Those should be changing your mind on their own. No offense intended, but I don't think kirroha is capable of doing that as scum.

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I like a BBT lynch if he still doesn't respond but since he is not responding can we start a wagon elsewhere for now. Kirroha is not scum and we are wasting precious time trying to debate her. We need a new wagon on someone lurky who has not contributed recently. Scum is almost definitely hiding among to lurkers and taking advantage of the fact that we are wasting so much time on Kirroha.

VOTE: tojam2

tojam2 and ShortcutButton are the only 2 players left who have not shown an opinion about anything concrete.

Lynching an inactive player is a terrible idea, there are actively scummy players alive already.

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Killthestory suddenly switches to hard defending kirroha after she notices the tide turning against the wagon and the towntells kirroha had been exhibiting.

There's no progression there, just "Kirroha is obv VI" right before arguing with those on the wagon. She probably forgot her previous excessively strong stance against kirroha.

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RadiantCowbells, you said that you scumread Killthestory before, so would you vote Killthestory with me?

BBT hasn't even posted recently, while Killthestory continues to look worse and worse.

You don't seem to be making any new opinions. You unvoted kirroha for perceived claiming of a PR, what do you think now that he's clarified that it was actually a VT claim?

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I might be okay with lynching Rubixxx, but it's not clear how much of what I'm seeing is badness rather than scumminess. In particular, I'm not sure how to interpret 255.

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Idk. I might be wrong. I really want to hear either people agreeing with me or some better reason for me to be dissuaded than there having been a similar situation in which the person in question was town.

You're tunneling here.

Look at the page 1 townslip and the VT claim. Those should be changing your mind on their own. No offense intended, but I don't think kirroha is capable of doing that as scum.

Perhaps this isn't quite correct, I do think kirroha would be capable of doing those things as scum. I don't think she's scum, though. I feel like I'm doing the reverse of what I see you doing!

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I meant more along the lines of: usually when something is a townslip, it's a townslip, not scum faking it, unless there's a lot of evidence pointing towards it being fake. Same with claiming VT, even though it's possible to concoct a conspiracy theory in which kirraho is scum, it's more likely to come from a VT kirraho.

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You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

I'd vote IaI right now.

This is pretty funny.

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Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?

You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

Anyway, I'm getting an off feeling about Ink/Innocent duo. "Willingness to vote?" It's like asking towns approval for a scumread.

I'm not saying both are scum, by they're definitely feeding off each other. Or at least one is buddying to the others scumreads.

Let's lynch this yet?

She can't work out whether townreading or scumreading me will be more effective in saving her skin (hint: having a town role PM helps). In 338, she sounds like she knows I'm town. In 248 and 336, she's trying to make me look scummy.

I continue to townread IAmInnocent.

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Speaking of like actual policy lynches, can we policy lynch BBT and be done with it?

Aren't you reading him as scum, why a policy lynch here?

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The one game I've read of BBT, he was crazy active and pushing everything as Town. Here it's like a complete difference and lurking/active lurking? Idk all these terms fully and don't really care to know but what I do know is this shift of BBT's personality.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbt

ShortcutButton is likely scum too, I see.

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TheCow, I Am Innocent voted Killthestory in 328.

Now all we need is for the town voting BBT and kirroha to move onto Killthestory and ShortcutButton instead, that would be fantastic.

Fixed. -TheCow

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1) he flits from here and there with no actual reads,
2) subtly defends a few players in a way that can't be chalked up to an actual defense but is meant to shift focus from them nontheless,
3) keeps his vote parked on Nino (an RVS vote) all the way until I stated that I read his indecisiveness as scummy,
4) upon which he happily shifted his vote to me - with no reason,
5) and dismissively stating that my read on him was a "weak statement".

Kirroha, I didn't agree with your reasons for scumreading ShortcutButton because I can see either town or scum doing what you've listed here (barring the facets of your uncharitable description of some things).

I think he's scum anyway, so this isn't very important.

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Probably because while I'm definitely not townreading you or even liking some of your posts, I do accept that I doubt you're scum in essence

See, this is complete trash. All the posturing here. It's so obvious that you're scum. If you "doubt I'm scum in essence", you're not " definitely not townreading me". It is the ever-present struggle between the conflicting needs of the caught scum: to neither townread nor scumread their accuser.

I wish I could convey to everyone how even the wording in this quote is extremely scummy. I think it's hard to see things like this unless you're involved with the conversation somehow.

, but I don't doubt Innocent. Out of the duo, Innocent would be my scumread since he seems to be pushing you to push your reads instead of making his own. He seems to agree with most things you say, too.

You already know that we're both town, and you should know by now that I also know this. Give up!

And do you town read him anyway? Is it because he agrees with you at any turn? You realize that's a serious case of buddying, and you're going to have a hard time not having a bias reading him, but I'm pretty sure Innocent' s buddied you and fed off your reads since he seems to agree with everything you say.

How many times do I have to say this, didn't you ask me if I townread him really recently?

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I have a sudden urge to

VOTE: Implosion

How would I urge you to vote someone who's scum?

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Thank goodness syndesis. I'm glad to hear you are town this game.

Why's this?

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..?

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Sigh...

VOTE: Rubixxx

Please actually make reads. I hate how you droned on unnecessarily about how you were going to make reads, literally nobody cares. You seem eager to please RadiantCowbells yet inflammatory towards Killthestory.

I humbly request the services of a cop or vigilante in dealing with Killthestory. I will not continue to pursue this read, since my attempts appear to be in vain.

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Nino, you're right about Shortcut. I'm switching votes, not because I don't think that Toejam is any LESS scummy, but because Shortcut literally is looking worse and worse by the hour.

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VOTE: Shortcut

Could you point out some posts?

I don't think activity is alignment indicative.

It'll come around eventually, but for now, my top two scumreads would be Toejam and Shortcut. Inactivity doesn't always eaual scumminess, but the way those two are doing it makes me hella suspicious.

What about these two players' inactivity was different to BBT's inactivity?

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Nice, a wagon.

If we're efficient about it, we could lynch him on this very page!

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VOTE: Ink

Nightkilling me would be a more effective method, but sure, you can try this.

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Well, Rubixxx is scum.

You're probably scum too, RadiantCowbells. You can swap votes randomly and people will gasp "wow such flexible aggressive", but your stances are on a whole stilted and vacuous. Voting you would be even more fruitless than voting Killthestory, though.

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I thought that Rubixxx's constant appealing to real life circumstances to justify his scummy behavior was ridiculously scummy, as well as unethical.

Not all new players are town.

Whoops, that's me.

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I thought that Rubixxx's constant appealing to real life circumstances to justify his scummy behavior was ridiculously scummy, as well as unethical.

Not all new players are town.

BBT was wondering why I was acting different.

I told him the reason why. Depression.

I had evidence showing that this started up days before anyone ever said something about me, and even in other threads.

It's not me trying to shift focus or make anyone feel guilty for bringing it up. It was a valid question. I'm just asking you guys take my equally valid answer. And if you're going to shit yourself about my virtually-nonexistent meta, go look in my newbie game and see that I was conf town in it, but started slowing down my posting around the same time. BECAUSE I WAS/STILL AM FUCKING DEPRESSED.

Not "acting different", I don't know or care about how your activity levels or how you played in another game. It was other stuff that I voted you for. When I look back though, I think that was all you were choosing to respond to. I got the impression that you were essentially saying "I'm scummy because I'm depressed!!", but I'll concede that this was not the case.

And not every newbie is town, but not everyone who SAYS they're a newbie is SCUM.

Okay, I'm not asserting that.

I think you guys should quit while you're ahead; BBT gave up this line of questioning because it's going nowhere. Once again, if you have the town's best interests in mind, you'll drop it. You're already looking hella suspicious to everyone here.

So I'm right?

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UNVOTE: whatever his face
VOTE: ShortcutButton

The wagon is awful?

Maybe this vote (first vote change since RVS despite throwing shade everywhere), at least.

You counterwagon is worse, RadiantCowbells. Try again until you select one of your partners.

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Rubixxx's reads are really awful, and I think in a scummy way. Like, he kept shifting me up his list just because I continued to call him scum. He puts kirroha at the top of his town reads despite scumreading him before, it seems like it's just because that wagon dissolved. His reads seem an attempt to mirror the overall opinion of his townclique thing (people who yell and spam).

The way he speaks kind of annoys me too, I won't deny that's some part of why I'm voting him.

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I'd definitely vote TaishoGal over BBT right now.

I hate that I've been sort of forced into those two, though.

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VOTE: Killthestory

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bois don't make me claim ill fuck yall up that's why its so easy for me to be confident. ew I just softed hard.

anyway ill do shit later.

That's the worst kind of claim since nobody can counterclaim you.

You should just claim so you can be counterclaimed.

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Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:56 am - Hi Golden Robster, welcome to the game and really sorry you have to replace in on such an imminent deadline. So your slot previously roleclaimed 2-shot Role Cop, do you confirm or deny that claim?

Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:11 am - VT Claim from Robster

15 minute's delay isn't bad at all. I have to rethink my Shortcut/Taisho/Robster slot vote.

Will be happy to go on the Kill wagon at this point. Guys, what are your thoughts? Robster claimed VT.

Meh, that's really textbook. I think his reaction was almost completely non-indicative.

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At the moment the people I think are most likely to be scum are:
Killthestory
Rubixxxx
TaishoGal (only if Killthestory is town)
RadiantCowbells

And either Raskolnikov or Tojam or someone if I'm wrong about scum being in the above.

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VOTE: Ink

You need to get in here because you've done shit all. Where were you during the deadline?

That vote can easily change to rask/syndesis

I was busy in real life.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I fucking told you guys Kill was town! FUCK! Everyone who FoSed them is getting a MAJOR side-eye today!

Reminder that Rubixxx whiteknighted both Killthestory and BBT, and probably thinks that this makes him look town.

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Golden Robster, did you think Killthestory was town before he flipped?

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The only thing that keeps me from calling your claim absolute poppycock is the fact that it'd be incredibly stupid for scum to push a town mislynch so hard and for no apparent reason.

Actually, Rubixxx is worse.

VOTE: Rubixxx

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^townpost

I disagree strongly, actually.

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VOTE: Ink

You need to get in here because you've done shit all. Where were you during the deadline?

That vote can easily change to rask/syndesis

I was busy in real life.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I fucking told you guys Kill was town! FUCK! Everyone who FoSed them is getting a MAJOR side-eye today!

Reminder that Rubixxx whiteknighted both Killthestory and BBT, and probably thinks that this makes him look town.

The only thing that keeps me from calling your claim absolute poppycock is the fact that it'd be incredibly stupid for scum to push a town mislynch so hard and for no apparent reason.

Actually, Rubixxx is worse.

VOTE: Rubixxx

wow
wow
wow

ink don't you fUCKING start with me today I am legit not in the mood for your bullshit

you know what, no. I say we lynch em today instead. RC can fucking wait. I have no idea how you've been skating by unchecked all this time, but it ends TODAY.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Inkay

*in b4 "HURRR THAT MAKES U CONF SCUM"*

So what you're saying is that you think I'm town? Made me wonder why you were voting me for a second, then I remembered that you were scum.

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

That was just an excuse to claim in a way that looked town, wasn't it.

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Are you really scumreading Syndesis, then?

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

That was just an excuse to claim in a way that looked town, wasn't it.

I neither particularly understand nor agree with this vote. Actually, that exchange cemented a townread on RC.

Why does scum RC do this?

To make people think that he's a VT. If it made you think he was town, then there's the scum motivation.

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

That was just an excuse to claim in a way that looked town, wasn't it.

well, maybe.

Did you ever consider that VT!RC is probably more useful than cop anyone else?
It would be unfortunate if I got shot because people thought I was a PR. At the very least if I'm getting shot it should be because you're scared of me.

RadiantCowbells openly admits to not really thinking that Syndesis was rolefishing him, yet accusing Syndesis.

I have a lot of difficulty believing that RadiantCowbells did this just so he wouldn't be nightkilled. Taking the unexpected approach of admitting to doing scummy things but insisting that you did them as town is still scummy.

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Count me out of the wagoning a V / LA player who likely claimed a PR.

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@Kirroha, did you ever think maybe ink jumped off your wagon for towncred? Just sayin'.

Try to be more concrete abou things like this, e.g. "ink probably jumped off the wagon for towncred"; leave out the "did you ever think", "maybe", etc . Otherwise it sounds like you're throwing shade, and you'll get scumread for it.

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Also, RC, I feel like you're trying to pull a particularly ballsy gambit right now, and it isn't going to fly. I'm okay with letting you slide for today, but if you're still alive by tomorrow, you are my #1 priority.

You don't need to say things publicly like this. Contrary to what you seem to think, having accurate reads doesn't make you look much more town. If you want RadiantCowbells to tone it down or something, just post it in daytalk.

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IDK, I can't find a gambit that matches exactly what I think he's doing, but the term just kinda feels right, so I'm leaving it. Anyone who disagrees can fite me

No, you were right the first time. A gambit does accurately describe claiming VT suddenly as scum.

Real talk, this is probably a scumslip.

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Ink what's ur read on GR?

I'm not sure.

That reminds me, those posts.

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Ink has done nothing except latch onto obvious mislynches

Like who? How were they obvious mislynches?

1. He jumped on my wagon, clearly pushing for it (doesn't help that most of my scumreads were on my wagon)

Uh yes, I did? Actually I don't think I even remember doing that.

2. He voted for RC who was obviously scummy after his deathtunnel on bbt

Why would I be scummy be voting someone who is "obviously scummy"? If RC is an "obvious mislynch", how can he simultaneously be "obviously scummy"?

Do you see the problem here? The main issue I have is with the wording of your post, but I have yet to determine what that means.

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It seems like the two main wagons are on ink (L-3) and beeboy (L-1), who is also V/LA.

*checks box for "IIOA" on my MafiaScum Offical Scumtell Form™*

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Preferably syn or ink since beeboy isn't here

Maybe Rask tomorrow

I'm not here though.

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My scumreads are RC, Rubixxx, Syndesis and Nino.

I have a weak spot for towny frustration. Although I realize making that apparent is probably a bad idea since scum can really try to play it up now...

Dat townie frustration tho. Been there, m8.

Any town player reading Rubixxx as town for his obscene emotional overreactions to my posts is being fooled. He's pretending to take me calling him scum as insults, and attacks me on the basis that I should be lynched for being such a horrible and mean person. He doesn't present any arguments about me being scum, because he knows I'm not. The quoted posts show that he knows exactly why he's being townread.

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I'm thinking its syndesis/ink

They both scumread one another, without ever interacting

This smells like one scum attempting to gain town cred for having "scumread" their buddy

That's, like, pure confirmation bias.

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TheCow has been prodded for inactivity.

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Why are you townreading RC?

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Also, you haven't put yourself on your list.

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But I'm not scum though, just "a total sunnuvabitch" for even daring to scumread you.

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Lol okay??

Do not hammer beeboy though.

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Hey, let's talk about this. I don't hate you, I don't mean any harm to you, I'm not trying to lynch you just because I don't like you.

Why do you think that scum are more likely to call you scum than town are?

Why do you think that scum are more likely to say things that upset you than town are?

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Neither beeboy nor tojam have done anything scummy, I stand by this. The amount of circlejerking reinforcing the consensus that that slot is scum continues to astound me. Even as a matter of principle I would never lynch an empty slot.

I don't want to play this game any more but I would feel worse about requesting replacement. Hell, the mod hasn't even picked up his prod.

pedit: Okay yeah.

@mod: I request replacement

Have fun.